Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2019 August 8



File:Richard Carpenter head shot.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 06:00, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * File:Richard Carpenter head shot.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Ritchie333 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

As said by on PROD before being told to fuck off... "unused, low-res, no obvious use". There is an alternative available on Commons for any wiki to use that has more quality than this. 1989 (talk) 03:26, 8 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. Of a reasonable resolution, potentially useful. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:49, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Unused locally (Wikipedia is not a webhost for unused images), already on Commons, no reason to retain local copy. -  F ASTILY   05:57, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - As c:File:Richard Carpenter head shot.jpg exists shall there be potential need for use.--NØ 07:38, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per Fastily. Masum Reza 📞 04:07, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
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File:Meir Kahane.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 08:06, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * File:Meir Kahane.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Jbarta ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Apparently replaceable fair use by an image of the same name on Commons: Magog the Ogre (t • c) 04:40, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * This is the image the world knows of Meir Kahane, not the one on Commons. The file on commons, I don't even know if that is the same person. In any case it is not representative of him. If anything, the file on commons is the one that should be deleted or renamed. Debresser (talk) 09:56, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I have tagged the file on Commons for rename. Debresser (talk) 10:05, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:13, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Since the file on Commons has now been renamed to File:Meir Kahane Tikvah Canarsie.jpg, I propose to close this discussion as no longer relevant. Debresser (talk) 10:49, 8 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete, since a free photo is available on Commons, this fails NFCC #1 as it is replaceable with free content. Seraphimblade Talk to me 16:08, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It is not replaceable, since the picture on commons is not at all representative of this person. Debresser (talk) 22:52, 8 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Comment. There's something weird going on with this image - the image at the biographical article is the generally accepted image but when I click on it (that More info option?) the link then brings me to the Canarsie version. It's late where I am otherwise I might be able to figure it out... Shearonink (talk) 06:34, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
 * That is because the image on Commons was moved with a redirect, instead of deleting the original name which made this whole mess. Debresser (talk) 19:29, 10 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete, replaceable. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 15:11, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It is not replaceable, since the picture on commons is not at all representative of this person. Debresser (talk) 22:52, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It is obviously replaceable, as the term is used in our global NFC policy. A subjective opinion that an image is "not representative" is not sufficient to establish an exception to the replaqceability standard. A photo of Kahane as an infant would surely not be an appropriate identifying image, nor would one showing him from behind, but a free image is not unacceptable merely because it dates to a period beofre the subject's greatest prominence/notoriety. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 18:11, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It is when the person is not recognizable. As I said before, "I don't even know if that is the same person". Other claim it is, but that doesn't detract from the fact that he is not recognizable. There are more than picture from the time he was famous, but this one dates from before that. Debresser (talk) 19:29, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * That you claim not to recognize him is irrelevant. Look here . The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 04:05, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Of course that is not irrelevant. If I don't recognize him, so won't a lot more people. It is really very simple: that Commons picture is unfit for illustrative purposes of this person. Debresser (talk) 07:04, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
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File:Martha Rockwell cross-country skier ca 1970.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 06:02, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
 * File:Martha Rockwell cross-country skier ca 1970.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])

Fails NFCC#1, as a replaceable nonfree image of a living person. Fails NFCC#4 as previously unpublished. Fails NFCC#8, since we do not need an image of an athlete skiing to convey the fact that they were a skier, The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 15:28, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, not only replaceable but replaced; the article already contains a free licensed image. Seraphimblade Talk to me 16:10, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Retain, The concerns I see here are regarding:
 * NFCC#1 "Non-free content is used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose." Here the encyclopedic purpose is to show the equipment, snow grooming and style of skiing prevalent when Rockwell was a competitor. (Update: I've expanded the rationale to explain this in detail at File:Martha Rockwell cross-country skier ca 1970.jpg. HopsonRoad (talk) 14:11, 9 August 2019 (UTC))
 * NFCC#4 "Non-free content must be a work which has been published or publicly displayed outside Wikipedia by (or with permission from) the copyright holder..." The image was (and still is) displayed in a sports shop with the permission of the copyright holder.
 * NFCC#8 "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." Cross-country skiing today and the attendant imagery is much different, today, than depicted. I haven't found images of women cross-country skiing from this era, since the US team was newly formed at the time. This is a period of cross-country skiing with very few images of any sort to illustrate the state of the sport at the time.
 * HopsonRoad (talk) 23:18, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. The supposed encyclopedic purpose is unrelated to the article text, and the "equipment, snow grooming, and style of skiing" are not related to the subject's notability. The use rationale expressly states that the author/copyright holder is unknown, so the claim that the photo wasposted with their authorization is wholly unsupportable. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 15:09, 11 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete It has been already tagged by a bot and it's not likely that there will be any use of this file in future. <u style="color:#087643;font-face:arial;text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Masum Reza <sup style="color:orange;">📞 03:40, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Masumrezarock100, it has been tagged by a bot because Seraphimblade claims with this edit that the image cannot be in the article and has removed it, despite this discussion being incomplete. HopsonRoad (talk) 12:35, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Update I have found the author of this image and will work with him to upload it to Wikimedia Commons. HopsonRoad (talk) 02:44, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Update 2 It's a different image that I expect to have a license to. I'm fine with this one going away. HopsonRoad (talk) 01:20, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
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