Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2019 September 12



File:Schematic Fencing Response.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  20:13, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * File:Schematic Fencing Response.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by A.H.Hoss ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Image is not free. It says "Permission granted for internet use by Lippincott Williams". damiens.rf 01:05, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
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File:Jimi Hendrix, 17 September 1970.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: relisted on. –Darkwind (talk) 06:15, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


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File:Black Dog45.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: relisted on. –Darkwind (talk) 06:16, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


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File:The Unknown Comic.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. –Darkwind (talk) 06:23, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
 * File:The Unknown Comic.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Neptune's Trident ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Non-free image being used for primary identification purposes in the main infobox of The Unknown Comic. Despite the article's title, the article is a BLP article about Murray Langston, who goes by stage name "The Unknown Comic" when performing. Since Langston is still living and since non-free images of still living persons are pretty much never allowed per WP:NFCC (see WP:FREER for more), there's no reasonable reason to expect that a free image of Langston (without the bag over his head) can neither be found nor created to serve the same encyclopedic purpose of primary indentification as this non-free one; moreover, there really doesn't seem to be much of a need per both NFCC#1 and WP:NFCC (see WP:NFC for more on the latter) to use this non-free photo anywhere else in the article as well. This is basically a picture of Langston with a brown paper grocery bag over his head, which is something that seems to be more than sufficiently understood from the text in the article about the character; so, I don't think this would really qualify as an exemptions to NFCC#1 for living person per item 1 of WP:NFC. The fact that Langston is still living and possibly may even still be performing/making appearances as "The Unknown Comic" makes it reasonable to assume that a new photo of him with a bag over his head could also be created or found; in other words, there's no real need to use a non-free publicity shot like this file or any other non-free file from the same period just for identification purposes of the character. Just for reference, before nominating this file for discussion at FFD, I did seek out other opinions at WT:NFC and User talk:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz where concerns about the file's compliance with WP:NFCCP were also raised by others. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:36, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep - My understanding is that Langston is no longer making appearances as the Unknown Comic, so creating a free image of Langston with the paper bag over his head is not currently possible. There may be  possibility of him reprising that role as he is living, but that is supposition so I disagree with that line of reasoning as reason for failing WP:NFCC.  So what remains is whether a photo of Langston who is a living person, with a text description of wearing a paper bag on his head would be a suitable replacement for a non-free image.  I say no.  And I base this reasoning on the excpetions mention in WP:NFC.  "For some retired or disbanded groups, or retired individuals whose notability rests in large part on their earlier visual appearance, a new picture may not serve the same purpose as an image taken during their career, in which case the use would be acceptable." (emphasis added).  The paper bag on the head is an essential element of the visual appearance.  As such, it's use as the primary means of visual identification meets WP:NFCC, and WP:NFCC. -- Whpq (talk) 13:59, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Darkwind (talk) 08:17, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete - The article is about the person. As the person is living, it's easily possible to create a freely-licensed image of him. We don't need a picture of him with a bag on his head. Only a small part of the article is about that point in his career. --Yamla (talk) 01:38, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. Simply a nonfree image of a performer playing a role, illustrating a BLP. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006.   (talk) 04:23, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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File:Loren MacIver fair use.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  20:13, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
 * File:Loren MacIver fair use.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Victuallers ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Free portrait now available and added to her biography, this no longer required as fair use. File:Portrait of Loren MacIver LCCN2004663253.jpg. Deadstar (talk) 18:32, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FREER. This probably didn't need to be discussed at FFD; it could've been tagged for speedy deletion with rfu instead per WP:F7. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:29, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
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