Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2019 September 18



File:Grand Central Solari.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: speedily replaced with different image from different source. This discussion related to a previous version derived from an AP photo. Two derivative versions of that have now been deleted. (The latest version is from solari, manufacturers of the display. I suspect they would release it under a CC licence if we asked them since it is a bit of free advertising for them.) — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:58, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * File:Grand Central Solari.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Ɱ ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This is a crop from an AP photo. WP:NFCC point 7 identifies AP photos as not allowed unless the photo itself is the subject of the commentary. The WP:NFUR credits AP but the photo itself is not the subject of sourced commentary. The subject is the Solari departure board captured in the photo and not the photo itself. Whpq (talk) 12:28, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Note - Solari (the makers of the board) have an image of the board on their history page. That would be usable as non-free content without violating WP:NFCC which is the issue with using commercial agency images. -- Whpq (talk) 12:39, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Okay - so when I read WP:NFCCP it meets all criteria listed. When I read WP:NFCI I initially believed it meant that the image needed to relate to commentary in the article, not the exact file itself (I think it needs better clarification). I truly believe that blocking AP images on Wikipedia is a harsh overstep of fair use laws. This image has no market role, nobody's making mugs out of this, and there are dozens of non-commercial images that show nearly the same thing (I chose this one due to legibility, color, and a firm date). Nearly all online media websites simply borrow images, attributing their sources. The fact that we have such stern requirements while no other resource feels the need to limit themselves whatsoever is something that will forever keep Wikipedia mediocre.
 * Anyway, aside from that annoyance, I'll replace the photo with the Solari website image or something similar. ɱ  (talk) 14:40, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * NFCI refers to "image itself" and "Images that are themselves subject of commentary." Itself and themselves would seem to indicate that it is the image itself, but if you can suggest better wording to make it clearer, then you could post on the NFC talk page.  Wikipedia's policy on use of non-free content is deliberately stricter than the legal doctrine of fair use.  See Non-free content.  Finally, with respect to commercial opportunity, AP licenses their images for money, so there is in fact a market role for this image. By the way, the image is available at AP.  The price varies but a license for use on a web site with a single static placement for one month would be $260. (registration is needed to explore pricing).  -- Whpq (talk) 14:58, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Yes, you don't need to reclarify. As stated above, I get that now. And I know it's deliberate, that doesn't mean it makes logical sense. Libertarian idealists like Wales set Wikipedia up for eternal mediocrity. And no, just because someone puts a (stupidly high) price tag on something doesn't automatically make it marketable, sellable. It's useless especially in cropped form, and images like this one are in general even better (though not for my encyclopedic purpose). ɱ  (talk) 15:09, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * And okay I swapped in the Solari.it image. Should not have problems now... ɱ  (talk) 15:15, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Requesting close - the original issue of WP:NFCC compliance is now moot with the upload of an image from the mnufacturer's web site rather than the AP photo. I've tagged the image for orphaned non-free revisions to remove the AP photo from the history. -- Whpq (talk) 16:23, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
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File:BROWN1thumb.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:06, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * File:BROWN1thumb.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Merlynne6 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

unused, low-res, no obvious use  F ASTILY   23:54, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with no obvious value. Salavat (talk) 01:54, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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File:Elise face shot2.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:06, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * File:Elise face shot2.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Stuartbrainerd ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

unused, low-res, no obvious use  F ASTILY   23:55, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with no obvious value. Salavat (talk) 01:54, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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File:Peopleinaline1922 - Cornelia Ramondt-Hirschmann.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:07, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * File:Peopleinaline1922 - Cornelia Ramondt-Hirschmann.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by PawełMM ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

low-res, unused (?) crop of File:Peopleinaline1922.jpg, no obvious encyclopedic use  F ASTILY   23:56, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with no obvious value. Salavat (talk) 01:55, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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File:BRIG2-1athumb.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:07, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * File:BRIG2-1athumb.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Merlynne6 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

unused, low-res, no obvious use  F ASTILY   23:57, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with no obvious value. Salavat (talk) 01:55, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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File:Iron Tail - 83d40m - model for indian head nickel SarasotaHistoryCenter crop.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:07, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Iron Tail - 83d40m - model for indian head nickel SarasotaHistoryCenter crop.jpg">File:Iron Tail - 83d40m - model for indian head nickel SarasotaHistoryCenter crop.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by 83d40m ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

unused locally, already on Commons, no reason to retain local copy  F ASTILY   23:58, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, redundant to Commons file. Salavat (talk) 01:55, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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File:Nancy segoe script.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:07, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * File:Nancy segoe script.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Nancy ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

unused personal image, no obvious encyclopedic use  F ASTILY   23:58, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with no obvious value. Salavat (talk) 01:55, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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File:Ali Kalkan at courthouse.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:08, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * File:Ali Kalkan at courthouse.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Uyarici ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

unused, low-res, no obvious use  F ASTILY   23:59, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with no obvious value. Salavat (talk) 01:56, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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File:Kit body Ahly09Away.png
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The result of the discussion was: delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:08, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * File:Kit body Ahly09Away.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Ebsawy ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

unused, low-res, no obvious use  F ASTILY   23:59, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with no obvious value. Salavat (talk) 01:56, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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File:Kit left arm Ahly09home.png
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The result of the discussion was: delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:08, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
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unused, low-res, no obvious use  F ASTILY   23:59, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with no obvious value. Salavat (talk) 01:56, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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File:Kit left arm Ahly09away.png
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The result of the discussion was: delete. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:08, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * File:Kit left arm Ahly09away.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Ebsawy ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

unused, low-res, no obvious use  F ASTILY   23:59, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with no obvious value. Salavat (talk) 01:56, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
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