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NSYNC single covers

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The result of the discussion was: relisted on 2020 October 17. (non-admin closure) St3095   (?)  15:18, 17 October 2020 (UTC)


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File:Hyundai A-League logo (2004–2017).svg

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * File:Hyundai A-League logo (2004–2017).svg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Pg 6475 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Does not satisfy WP:NFCC. The image is not used as the primary means of visual identification. The use of historical, former, alternate or anniversary logos for an entity is not allowed, unless the logo itself is described in the context of sourced critical commentary about that logo. Jonteemil (talk) 17:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep: The logo is actually discussed in the relevant section and that commentary is supported by citations; so, the claim made in the nomination statement is not entirely true. It might be argued that there's not enough sourced critical commentary or that coverage is too trivial, but that's not the same as claiming there's no sourced critical commentary at all (which the nomination seems to be doing). The problem might more of one dealing with perception than actual use because content about the logo and trophies are combined together which means that the two Commons files for the trophies also added to that section make it seem that there are too many images. That, however, is more of a formatting issue than a non-free issue and there are probably ways to resolve that don't resolve deleting images. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:21, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep per Marchjuly. —&#8205;Mdaniels5757 (talk &bull; contribs) 19:36, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

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File:Canadiens100Anniversary.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 09:11, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * File:Canadiens100Anniversary.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Fuzzy510 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Does not satisfy WP:NFCC. The image is not used as the primary means of visual identification. The use of historical, former, alternate or anniversary logos for an entity is not allowed, unless the logo itself is described in the context of sourced critical commentary about that logo. Jonteemil (talk) 17:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Need a stronger consensus before this can be closed as "Keep".
 * Keep as the logo in question doesn't pass the threshold of originality for copyright. schetm (talk) 04:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep as below TOO, and convert to PD-logo. —&#8205;Mdaniels5757 (talk &bull; contribs) 17:37, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

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File:Minnesota Wild Alternate.svg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Izno (talk) 18:03, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * File:Minnesota Wild Alternate.svg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Connormah ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Does not satisfy WP:NFCC. The image is not used as the primary means of visual identification. The use of historical, former, alternate or anniversary logos for an entity is not allowed, unless the logo itself is described in the context of sourced critical commentary about that logo. Jonteemil (talk) 17:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Stronger consensus needed
 * Keep as the logo in question doesn't pass the threshold of originality for copyright. schetm (talk) 21:03, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Disagree with Schetm. This one is too complex for PD-simple. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 04:38, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

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File:5th Anniversary.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: keep. Izno (talk) 18:05, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
 * File:5th Anniversary.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Stolilv87 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Does not satisfy WP:NFCC. The image is not used as the primary means of visual identification. The use of historical, former, alternate or anniversary logos for an entity is not allowed, unless the logo itself is described in the context of sourced critical commentary about that logo. Jonteemil (talk) 17:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep: This logo does seem to be used for primary identification purposes in 2007 Las Vegas Gladiators season. It was the team's 5th anniversary season and logos for specific season are often allowed per items 14 and 17 of WP:NFC. If this was simply randomly added somewhere in Cleveland Gladiators, then perhaps being a former logo would be a problem per WP:NFC, but that doesn't seem to be the case at all. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:59, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

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File:BBC Two Paint ident.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: relisted on. Izno (talk) 01:45, 3 October 2020 (UTC)


 * File:BBC Two Paint ident.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])
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File:Minnesota@vikings.50th anniversarylogo.gif
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The result of the discussion was: keep. Izno (talk) 15:18, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Minnesota@vikings.50th anniversarylogo.gif">File:Minnesota@vikings.50th anniversarylogo.gif ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Capoeira Fighter 3 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Does not satisfy WP:NFCC. The image is not used as the primary means of visual identification. The use of historical, former, alternate or anniversary logos for an entity is not allowed, unless the logo itself is described in the context of sourced critical commentary about that logo. Jonteemil (talk) 17:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep: This logo does seem to be used for primary identification purposes in 2010 Minnesota Vikings season. It was the team's 50th anniversary season and logos for specific season are often allowed per items 14 and 17 of WP:NFC. If this was simply randomly added somewhere in Minnesota Vikings, then perhaps being a former logo would be a problem per WP:NFC, but that doesn't seem to be the case at all. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:40, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * So you can't have all the non-free logos a team has had on its page, however, if you create a page for every season the team has played, you can? That's so strange.Jonteemil (talk) 07:11, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Common practice per item 14 of WP:NFC is that a season specific logo for a re-occurring event may be used for primary identification purposes in stand-alone articles about individual seasons or occurrences of the event. So, an event that is held annually like a major awards show or annual sporting event might have a primary logo that it uses all the time, but it might also have year/occurrence specific logos that it uses for each individual occurrence. If that seems strange in principle then you should probably ask about it at WT:NFCC since that's the relevant policy page. If you think the principle is fine, but just the application of it to this particular non-free use is a problem, then that's something to discuss here. FWIW, item 14 of NFC#UUI doesn't mean it's simply OK to keep repeating the use of the same logo file in all individual seasons where it might have been used; it's generally limited to specific seasons (like anniversary seasons or seasons where the logo was used for the first time by the team). Ideally, there should be some discussion of the team's special logo or the team's change of branding in that particular season's article, but often the same reasoning applied to cover art given WP:NFC regarding being used for primary identification purposes is also applied correspondingly to this type of non-free use. That is what is meant (in my opinion) by the first sentence of NFC#cite_note-4. In other words, NFCC#8 tends to be a little less vigorously applied when the non-free use is for primary identification purposes at the top or in the main infobox of a stand-alone article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:35, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

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File:MontrealCanadiens1918.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 09:11, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * File:MontrealCanadiens1918.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Fuzzy510 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Does not satisfy WP:NFCC. The image is not used as the primary means of visual identification. The use of historical, former, alternate or anniversary logos for an entity is not allowed, unless the logo itself is described in the context of sourced critical commentary about that logo. Jonteemil (talk) 17:13, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Stronger consensus needed
 * Keep as the logo in question doesn't pass the threshold of originality for copyright. schetm (talk) 03:14, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

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