Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2021 June 15



File:Helmut Ruhemann.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Converted to non-free - F ASTILY   23:21, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
 * File:Helmut Ruhemann.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Ceoil ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

See Magog the Ogre (t • c) 00:32, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as fair use. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 09:11, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as fair use. Ceoil (talk) 13:49, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep has since been retagged to fair use, which it likely meets as the subject is deceased. Hog Farm Talk 15:31, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks User:Alexis Jazz. Ceoil (talk) 23:33, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
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File:Dougherty. Jpeg.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * File:Dougherty. Jpeg.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Rucks1989 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Unused file that primarily shows the logo of Dougherty Comprehensive High School on the building of said school. As there is no FoP in the US, this file shouldn't be moved to Commons. For reference, it was taken with a Nikon Coolpix L20, same as File:Dougherty Comprehensive High School in 2009.jpg. I do believe the photo is own work, the issue is FoP for the logo. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 06:39, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 14:53, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
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File:Mathewson statue.png.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * File:Mathewson statue.png.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Michael J ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Unused photo of a statue of Christy Mathewson. It's located in the US and there is no FoP in the US, so it shouldn't be moved to Commons. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 07:22, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 14:54, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete for the following reasons:
 * As pointed out by the nominator, there’s no freedom of panorama for 3D works of art (even publicly displayed ones) in the US, at least not for works installed in 1978 or later. This means that the sculpture itself is still protected by copyright since it appears to have been installed sometime around 2000. Thus, even if the photo for correctly licensed, this file would still need to be treated as non-free content just because of the statue itself.
 * A photo of a 3D work of art is generally considered to be a WP:Derivative work, which means that even though the uploader could take their own photo and release into the public domain, they can’t do the same for a photo taken by another person unless that person’s WP:CONSENT can be verified by WP:VRT. There’s no EXIF data or anything else which verifies that the copyright holder of the photo and the uploader are the same person; so, at the very least the uploader would need to verify this by emailing a consent email to VRT just for the photo.
 * Even if the copyright status of the photo could sorted out, the file would still be non-free because of the statue which means each use of the file would need to meet all ten of the WP:NFCCP. This would probably not be an issue if the file was being used in a stand-alone article about the statue itself like, for example, Statue of Michael Jordan, but that’ not how this file is being currently used. The two current uses of the file fail to meet WP:NFCC in my opinion and thus neither is policy compliant. Perhaps that could be remedied in one of the articles (most likely the one about Mathewson himself), but there’s no real need to use the image twice.
 * Just a suggestion for future reference is that it might have better if this FFD had been combined with the one immediately below since it's essentially about the same image uploaded by the same person. I basically copied and pasted my !vote from the one below because it seems just as applicable to this file. — Marchjuly (talk) 00:12, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'm not sure if combining would confuse the bot that usually closes these, so I just kept them apart. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 22:31, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
 * At this point, I think you're probably correct. My comment was intended more as a reference for future FFDs since multiple nominations are allowed and might be a way to avoid redundancy when essentially the same issue and same file is being discussed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:56, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
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File:Mathewson statue.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * File:Mathewson statue.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Michael J ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Same photo of a statue of Christy Mathewson, used on his article and Factoryville, Pennsylvania. It's located in the US and there is no FoP in the US, so it shouldn't be moved to Commons. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 07:22, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete for the following reasons:
 * As pointed out by the nominator, there’s no freedom of panorama for 3D works of art (even publicly displayed ones) in the US, at least not for works installed in 1978 or later. This means that the sculpture itself is still protected by copyright since it appears to have been installed sometime around 2000. Thus, even if the photo for correctly licensed, this file would still need to be treated as non-free content just because of the statue itself.
 * A photo of a 3D work of art is generally considered to be a WP:Derivative work, which means that even though the uploader could take their own photo and release into the public domain, they can’t do the same for a photo taken by another person unless that person’s WP:CONSENT can be verified by WP:VRT. There’s no EXIF data or anything else which verifies that the copyright holder of the photo and the uploader are the same person; so, at the very least the uploader would need to verify this by emailing a consent email to VRT just for the photo.
 * Even if the copyright status of the photo could sorted out, the file would still be non-free because of the statue which means each use of the file would need to meet all ten of the WP:NFCCP. This would probably not be an issue if the file was being used in a stand-alone article about the statue itself like, for example, Statue of Michael Jordan, but that’ not how this file is being currently used. The two current uses of the file fail to meet WP:NFCC in my opinion and thus neither is policy compliant. Perhaps that could be remedied in one of the articles (most likely the one about Mathewson himself), but there’s no real need to use the image twice.
 * — Marchjuly (talk) 10:41, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
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File:Warkworth Castle MAP.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * File:Warkworth Castle MAP.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Nurrak ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Looks to be an uncredited scan of a book, possibly a guidebook from the castle itself. The exact same map appears in somebody's collection of photos from the castle site at https://cdn.seearoundbritain.com/images/37132/p1160251.jpg, including a key which was omitted here. Lord Belbury (talk) 11:00, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
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File:Zhurong rover and lander on Mars.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * File:Zhurong rover and lander on Mars.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Shujianyang ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Failing WP:NFCC as free equivalent images are available (e.g. File:Zhurong payload.jpg, File:Mars Global Remote Sensing Orbiter and Small Rover at IAC Bremen 2018 02.jpg) that could serve the same encyclopedic purpose of identifying the appearance of the Zhurong rover in the main infobox. Wcam (talk) 13:03, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
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File:Koo&
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Koo&#39;s transformation from old to new.png">File:Koo& ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Badassboy 63637 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Incorrect rationale - "to serve as the primary means of visual identification at the top of the article dedicated to the entity in question" is what File:Kooapp new.png does. If this doesn't meet the copyright threshold then it should be at Wikimedia Commons, not here. If it does then I doubt that it passes WP:NFCCP, and if it does then it needs a substantial correct fair use rationale. I'm nominating for discussion, not deletion, because I'm not experienced enough to know what the right outcome is. — Bilorv ( talk ) 17:50, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - The image is not being used to serve as the primary means of identification as claimed. This illustrates the logo change but there is no significant sourced commentary about the logo change beyond stating the logo changed.  As currently used, fails WP:NFCC. -- Whpq (talk) 18:07, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete fails NFCC #8 as currently used, as there is not significant sources commentary about the logo change, just a statement that one occurred. Hog Farm Talk 21:08, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
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File:Screenshot of official account of koo app.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Screenshot of official account of koo app.jpg">File:Screenshot of official account of koo app.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Badassboy 63637 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The stated purpose of this non-free images is "To show the official account of koo app" but there is no significant sourced commentary in the article that requires this image to be present to enhance understanding. The lack of this image in no way impairs a reader's understanding of the article. Fails WP:NFCC. Whpq (talk) 18:04, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete fails NFCC#8 as per above. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 19:50, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
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File:UFHealth logo.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 01:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * File:UFHealth logo.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Mathew105601 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Most likely does not satisfy commons:COM:TOO, as a bicolor logo with blocky font. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 19:49, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , looks like a clear case of PD-textlogo to me? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 09:02, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that is PD-textlogo. Carl Lindberg (talk) 12:00, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * - Did you get your nomination backwards? Did you mean to say it does satisfy COM:TOO?  Because the logo is currently licensed as non-free and if you believe the logo is too complex for copyright, then there is no reason to nominate the file.  In any case, Relicense as a PD text logo and export to Commons. -- Whpq (talk) 12:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does not meet the TOO and is PD. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 12:52, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Oops. Sorry.  I should have had my coffee first.  I have everything in my brains backwards.  -- Whpq (talk) 13:01, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Relicense to pd-logo and copy to Commons. Salavat (talk) 15:06, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
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File:Panorama of South Utopia Planitia, Mars, taken by Zhurong rover.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Panorama of South Utopia Planitia, Mars, taken by Zhurong rover.jpg">File:Panorama of South Utopia Planitia, Mars, taken by Zhurong rover.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by KevWang ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Failing WP:NFCC and WP:NFCC, as the non-free image is merely decorative and is placed in the "gallery" section of an article (WP:NFG) and is not accompanied by any sourced commentary about the image. The image is used in multiple articles without providing "separate, specific non-free use rationale for each use of the item". Wcam (talk) 20:20, 15 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - Fails WP:NFCC as decorative use for all instances mentioned in the nomination. I've removed the image from the articles with no rationale for use. -- Whpq (talk) 00:06, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Added description of this panoramic image in the correspondent article so that it no longer serves solely "decorative" purpose. -- KevWang (talk) 18:00, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Adding a description doesn't really raise it to the point that WP:NFCC is met. -- Whpq (talk) 22:56, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
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File:Ccfc.jpeg.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * File:Ccfc.jpeg.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Stuart166axe ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Uploaded one month before https://www.flickr.com/photos/stuart166axe/495619479/ was uploaded. As the photo is from 1967, the photographer realistically is at least 70 years old, but Stuart looks younger than that. The Flickr photo page states "Please note this is an actual photograph print from my collection and not taken from elsewhere." which combined with his about page suggests to me that this is a photo from someone else that he has a physical copy of which he scanned. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 20:55, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 15:07, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
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File:Chelmsford City Football Ground, 1967.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:00, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Chelmsford City Football Ground, 1967.jpg">File:Chelmsford City Football Ground, 1967.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Stuart166axe ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

See above. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 20:55, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 15:07, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
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