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Paris logo

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The result of the discussion was: relisted on 2021 October 10. F ASTILY  09:40, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


 * File:City of Paris logo.svg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])


 * File:Logo of Paris.svg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs])
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Golden Ticket Awards logo

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The result of the discussion was: Removed from Amusement Today as a textbook violation of WP:NFCC. No comment on usage in Golden Ticket Award for Best New Roller Coaster & Golden Ticket Award for Best New Ride, these should be discussed in a separate FfD - F ASTILY   09:38, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
 * File:Golden Ticket Awards logo.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Astros4477 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).
 * File:Golden Ticket Awards.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Astros4477 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This is a 2020 logo. There are no articles or pages that discuss the 2020 Golden Ticket Awards. The closest page would be Amusement Today, but there is a generic, non-dated logo used on that page. Unless you have a logo for every year, this particular year is not needed. — JlACEer ( talk ) 20:12, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * There are two different files that require two different discussions. user:Marchjuly should never have added the second file after the discussion was already started.— JlACEer ( talk ) 02:46, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: I've added File:Golden Ticket Awards.jpg to this discussion since it was uploaded by the same uploader and it has similar issues that should be discussed here as well. The non-free use of one affects the other so the files are not as unrelated as JlACEer has stated above, and there's nothing wrong with discussing multiple files in the same discussion if their uses are interrelated in a way that affects them both. Splitting the discussion make little sense if the resolution of one will affect the outcome of the other.File:Golden Ticket Awards.jpg was orignally uploaded by Astros4477 and used in the main infobox of Golden Ticket Award for Best New Ride until it was replaced by "File:Golden Ticket Awards logo.png" by Astros4477 per this edit in September 2020. The file was also being used in Amusement Today until it was removed by on September 11, 2021, for WP:NFCCE reasons and subsequently deleted per WP:F5 by  a week later on September 18. The file was WP:REFUNDed per User talk:Explicit and re-added to Amusement Today shortly thereafter where it's currently being used. The file was also re-added to "Golden Ticket Award for Best New Ride" by JlACEer with this edit, but removed by a bot for NFCCE reasons here.File:Golden Ticket Awards logo.png was uploaded in September 2020 and added to "Golden Ticket Award for Best New Ride" shorty thereafter as explained above. The file was removed from that article (per above) by JiACEer, re-added by  here and then removed again by JlACEer here. The file is currently not being used in any articles which means it will be tagged for speedy deletion sometime soon per WP:F5.Two non-free files aren't needed per WP:NFCC if they basically serve the same encyclopedic purpose. I thought it might be possible for them to be converted to PD-simple per c:COM:TOO Untied States, but the rough consensus at WP:MCQ seems to be that they should remain licensed as non-free. So, what now needs to be discussed is whether there's a way to keep and use them both or whether one needs to be deleted. If the png file is not the correct logo based upon what JlACEer posted above, then it's probably the one that needs to be deleted. If nobody re-adds it to any articles, a bot will tagged it for speedy deletion and it will be gone in seven days. That still leave the non-free use of the jpg to be sorted it. It seems like the best place to use that file would be in the main infobox of the "Golden Ticket Award for Best New Ride" article since that's actually the stand-alone article about the award itself. All that would need to be done in that case would be for the non-free use rationale on the file's page to be revised according. The current rationale for the file's use in "Amusement Today" isn't really reflective of how the file is being used in that article because the file is not being used for primary identification purposes in that article, but rather being used in Amusement Today. The WP:NFCCP don't really allow logos such as this to be used in body sections per WP:NFCC as well as items 6 and 17 of WP:NFC when the logo can be seen some other Wikipedia articles; so, the justification for the non-free use in the "Amusement Today" article seems very weak or at least not as strong as the non-free use in the article about the award itself. If the "Golden Ticket Awards" referred to in the "Amusement Today" article is the same as the one covered in the stand-alone award article, then a wikilink can be used to connect the two articles together per WP:FREER and the file can be removed from the "Amusement Today" article without really being detrimental to the reader's understanding. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:12, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Update: The jpg file was added to Golden Ticket Award for Best New Roller Coaster and Golden Ticket Award for Best New Ride by . Alexis Jazz also added corresponding non-free use rationales for each of those two uses to the file's page. This means that there's no likely place to use the png file and that it will eventually be tagged for speedy deletion end up deleted per F5 if nobody objects. F5 deletions take five days to happen, whereas FFDs are to remain open at least seven days; so, it's quite possible that the png will be speedily deleted before this discussion is closed. If that happens and an admin wants to close this before seven days, then that's fine with me. However, the fact that the png is now more likely going to end up being deleted doesn't mean that the justification for using it in the "Amusement Today" article no longer needs to be assessed. It makes more sense to do that assessment here, but it can be done separately if need be. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Remove (both) from Amusement Today per WP:NFCC # 8 and 10c. The image is not used as the primary means of visual identification, contrary to the rationale. Removal would not be detrimental to the reader's understanding of the article subject, the periodical. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 01:35, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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File:Gotmymindsetonyou63.png

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Editors have achieved consensus that the image does not meet the threshold of originality required for copyright eligibility. (non-admin closure) — Mikehawk10 (talk) 22:34, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
 * File:Gotmymindsetonyou63.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Shoot for the Stars ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The vinyl label consists of just plain white background (aside from dust all over) and factual info about the release itself. Currently used in "Got My Mind Set on You". If it's deemed ineligible for copyright, then the label should be transferred to Commons. However, I have concerns about its compliance with WP:NFCC. The original recording/version wasn't successful as the one recorded later by the late George Harrison. Furthermore, the original version is currently mentioned briefly but doesn't predominate the whole article.

Somehow, an admin de-PRODded the image, writing: NFCC#8 is met by showing the media to those born in the internet age. Honestly, being "born in the internet age" is the same reason for also using the cover art of the Harrison release in the pre-internet era. Using an image of the less successful original version is not something I would use as the lead. Rather the Harrison infobox and image, which is pushed down into their own section, should be used instead. Of course, images of original versions of "The Only Way Is Up" and "I Need You (Eric Carmen song)" were kept in past FFD discussions. Furthermore, both original and more successful remakes of each song were years, if not way years, apart. But I hope this case is different. George Ho (talk) 22:46, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Nothing in the image reaches the threshold of originality for copyright and nothing in the text is sufficiently creative for copyright to apply. The licence should be corrected. Thincat (talk) 11:10, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. Highly unlikely to be problematic to the copyright holder in any way whatsoever. In fact, they probably quite like having it here. SpinningSpark 13:51, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Your argument sounds very similar to argument #3 at c:COM:PRP. I assume that we have a local version of that argument somewhere. --Stefan2 (talk) 17:02, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ...and your argument sounds very similar to assume ignorance. SpinningSpark 17:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't think that this meets WP:NFCC as it's just a generic label. However, I don't see this meeting the threshold of originality either. --Stefan2 (talk) 17:02, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Just a generic label? Many other American vinyl singles lacked picture sleeves, especially ones before the 1980s. This release was no exception. How does a "generic label" fail to meet the criterion? --George Ho (talk) 17:25, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The criterion doesn't apply in the first place because the image isn't non-free. Thincat (talk) 17:44, 21 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Keep - I suspect this image is free under US copyright law. The only item that would not be strictly text is the diamond on the right side, and while I am not a lawyer, I suspect that is generic enough to not make the image non-free.  I am not sure about moving it to Commons because maybe copyright laws in other countries differ.  I have no problem with this being the lead image.  After all, this was the original version of the song and the version that led Harrison to want to record his more successful version.  Of course, more information about the Ray version should be added to the article; information from the early 60s may not be easy to find but Harrison's version caused Ray's version to get more attention. Rlendog (talk) 19:14, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * This is part of the US single release, actually. George Ho (talk) 20:50, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Not sure why that is an issue.Rlendog (talk) 21:10, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * You said that overseas copyright laws would apply, right? I don't think they apply for American works or works released in the US, do they? Commons already has allowed PD materials first released in the US, and overseas rules don't prevent that kind of practice. George Ho (talk) 21:47, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * OK if that's their rule. Rlendog (talk) 23:38, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep PD-ineligible, also restore original revision please. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 01:27, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
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