Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2022 July 11



File:WFTDA MAP.jpg

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 * File:WFTDA MAP.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Bullbone ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Watermark asserts copyright by Women's Flat Track Derby Assocation, further adding that each of the 30-some logos is copyrighted by the respective leagues. Notice on origional source website says "Copyright © 2009–2022 Women's Flat Track Derby Association (WFTDA). All photos and content on this website are copyrighted by their respective creators. Please do not reproduce, print, or use any photos in any context without the express written permission of the WFTDA." 

The watermark says the author is Billy Hays, who may or may not be. If they are not the same person, it's blatant copyright violation. If they are the same person, they cannot simultaneously assert copyright and reserve all rights, while also donating the image under a free license. They need to choose one or the other. Dennis Bratland (talk) 05:25, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, likely non-free logos. User:Dennis Bratland, copyright does not equal copyvio. But since all logos are copyrighted by their respective leagues we'd need clear permission from all of them, so in this case copyright probably is copyvio. (but that's not a universal truth) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 07:17, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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File:Blue4556ublank.png

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 * File:Blue4556ublank.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Seacactus 13 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Unused plain colour file. Can be replaced with --Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 06:03, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with no obvious value. Salavat (talk) 14:30, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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File:Friedrich Kalkbrenner.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 13:10, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * File:Friedrich Kalkbrenner.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Missmarple ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Image with no date or useful source. (dead, archived) is listed as the source but says nothing about it.

Better quality source: https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/friedrich-wilhelm-kalkbrenner-unknown/jgFKKTPeBSZP-Q

We learn some things there. It's a limited edition (the image on Google being 14/959) without any date listed. Given that Google got it from the Fryderyk Chopin Institute, lists the creator as unknown and subject Friedrich Kalkbrenner died in 1849 it's likely old. If it were recent, the creator would likely be known or it wouldn't be in a collection. But we can't actually know for sure, it seems. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 07:10, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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File:Boscoralewin.jpg

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 * File:Boscoralewin.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by DonBoscoMkt ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Multiple uploads, all of varying sizes and quality. Doubtful own work. --Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 07:58, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 14:31, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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File:Palmbt.jpg
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 * File:Palmbt.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by DonBoscoMkt ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Multiple uploads, all of varying sizes and quality. Doubtful own work. --<span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C;">Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 07:58, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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File:Planeviewmbt.jpg
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 * File:Planeviewmbt.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by DonBoscoMkt ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Multiple uploads, all of varying sizes and quality. Doubtful own work. --<span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C;">Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 07:59, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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File:Outsidembt.JPG
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 * File:Outsidembt.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by DonBoscoMkt ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Multiple uploads, all of varying sizes and quality. Doubtful own work. --<span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C;">Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 07:59, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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File:Boscorale1st.jpg
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 * File:Boscorale1st.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by DonBoscoMkt ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Multiple uploads, all of varying sizes and quality. Doubtful own work. --<span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C;">Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 07:59, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 14:31, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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File:Boscorale2nd.jpg
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 * File:Boscorale2nd.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by DonBoscoMkt ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Multiple uploads, all of varying sizes and quality. Doubtful own work. --<span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C;">Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 07:59, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 14:31, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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 * File:Boscorale3rd.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by DonBoscoMkt ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Multiple uploads, all of varying sizes and quality. Doubtful own work. --<span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C;">Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 07:59, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 14:32, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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File:Boscorale4th.jpg
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 * File:Boscorale4th.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by DonBoscoMkt ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Multiple uploads, all of varying sizes and quality. Doubtful own work. --<span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C;">Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 07:59, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 14:32, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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File:Boscorale5th.jpg
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 * File:Boscorale5th.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by DonBoscoMkt ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Multiple uploads, all of varying sizes and quality. Doubtful own work. --<span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C;">Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 07:59, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 14:32, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
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File:Https---en.wikipedia.org-wiki-File-Nathulal verma at jaipur 2017.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  16:12, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Https---en.wikipedia.org-wiki-File-Nathulal verma at jaipur 2017.jpg">File:Https---en.wikipedia.org-wiki-File-Nathulal verma at jaipur 2017.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Ram Gopal Arya ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

c:File:Nathulal verma at jaipur.jpg states "image credit :nathulal verma ji". Both seems to be taken within minutes of each other so author is likely the same. No permission. --<span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C;">Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 12:28, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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File:Isfahan government logo.svg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F8 by A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:05, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
 * File:Isfahan government logo.svg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Gire 3pich2005 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This is a logo of a municipality in Iran, and commons:Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Iran implies that copyrighs of legal persons lapse after 30 years and the Municipality of Isfahan is considerably older than that, so it's likely that the copyright lapsed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:23, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Jo-Jo Eumerus, and what about the US? (might pass as PD-ineligible, not sure) See Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2021 January 1 for another example of an image from Iran: PD-US does not automatically apply. any thoughts? <span id="Alexis_Jazz:1657555388200:WikipediaFTTCLNFiles_for_discussion/2022_July_11" class="FTTCmt">— Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 16:03, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * My impression was that with Iranian works or other countries which don't have copyright relations with the US, we use their domestic copyright laws per Public domain. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 17:48, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This can be hosted at Commons. According to this source the logo has been designed in 1991 (1370 SH) by Morteza Momayez. I don't give a damn what the US government says about the Iranian works. 4nn1l2 (talk) 18:54, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Respectfully, since the governing laws of Wikipedia (where the servers are hosted) prevail, US law needs to be considered. Buffs (talk) 07:50, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Not at Commons. We don't do URAA deletions at Commons. As I said, this work can be transferred to Commons. It's safer there than here, I suppose. 4nn1l2 (talk) 17:08, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Buffs, legally speaking there's no problem as Iran is not a member of the Berne Convention so any content from Iran is fair game in the US. This could change if Iran becomes a Berne Convention member in the future. Wiki policy is different.<br style="margin-bottom:0.5em"/>I was slightly confused though, Jo-Jo Eumerus is right that if the copyright has already expired in Iran it's fine. File:Semnan Damghan train collision.jpg is indeed a different situation. <span id="Alexis_Jazz:1657646766665:WikipediaFTTCLNFiles_for_discussion/2022_July_11" class="FTTCmt">— Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 17:26, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * My comment is strictly in relation to "I don't give a damn what the US government says about the Iranian works." My point is that we have to consider what the US gov't's take is on this. As you stated, they are not party to the Berne Convention, so their works are not protected. Likewise, that could change. Accordingly, the status of their copyrights in the US is dependent upon Iran's status with regard to copyright protections in the US. That was really all I was getting at. Buffs (talk) 21:42, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * File:Semnan Damghan train collision.jpg is irrelevant, as it's not freely published in Iran, so it cannot be hosted at Commons. You may know that Tasnim sometimes publishes images which do not belong to the news agency. 4nn1l2 (talk) 18:58, 11 July 2022 (UTC)


 * https://isfahan.ir/fa/node/38554 Baratiiman (talk) 13:58, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep/relicense as PD by virtue of PD-simple and/or age in local jurisdiction. Buffs (talk) 22:44, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
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