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File:Judge at Tigers Game.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Wrong forum. The file is on Commons. Please nominate it for deletion there if you still feel it should be deleted. AnomieBOT ⚡ 18:09, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Judge at Tigers Game.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by English_hinton ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Appears to be non-free content. Uploaded as "Own work," but the uploader credits a photographer for the Detroit News in the picture's caption in the subject's article. 108.172.42.107 (talk) 17:30, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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File:Extract-Southern California Edison-Tehachapi Energy Storage Project-System Approach and Information.ogg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Extract-Southern California Edison-Tehachapi Energy Storage Project-System Approach and Information.ogg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Renewableandalternativeenergy ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The video does not provide anything that an image could not provide and is not the subject of sourced commentary within the article. Therefore, I do not believe it meets WP:NFCC or WP:NFCC. : 3 F4U (they/it) 01:44, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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File:Tehachapi Energy Storage Project-B-Roll Video.ogg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Tehachapi Energy Storage Project-B-Roll Video.ogg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Renewableandalternativeenergy ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The video does not provide anything that an image could not provide and is not the subject of sourced commentary within the article. Therefore, I do not believe it meets WP:NFCC or WP:NFCC. : 3 F4U (they/it) 01:45, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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File:Heartstopper Ben kisses Charlie.ogv

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Heartstopper Ben kisses Charlie.ogv ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Gerald Waldo Luis ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Does not meet WP:NFCC or NFCC. Color-grading can be shown through an image and demonstrating the shaky cinematography is not a significant enough reason to justify its usage. That's in addition to it being far longer than it needs to be. The scene itself is not the subject of commentary within the article. : 3 F4U (they/it) 02:01, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * , thanks for bringing this to my attention. I was also recently thinking about this too, the level of need for that clip. I didn't even know what I thought the clip could add to the article when I uploaded it. I'll fully support for this clip to be removed, and I'll be looking for other possible material to replace it.  Gerald WL  03:46, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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File:WES-P 2017.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * File:WES-P 2017.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Mbdfar ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Fair use image of a living person and the image itself does not meet WP:NFCC. : 3 F4U (they/it) 02:14, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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File:Wake Up and Smell the Coffee (album cover).jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Wake Up and Smell the Coffee (album cover).jpg">File:Wake Up and Smell the Coffee (album cover).jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Smumdax~enwiki ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Very similar to the standard cover and not discussed critically, so this is not needed per WP:NFCC. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:27, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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File:Cranberries Bury the Hatchet 2LP cover.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Cranberries Bury the Hatchet 2LP cover.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Eyevocal ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Very similar to the standard cover and not discussed critically, so this is not needed per WP:NFCC. ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:27, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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File:Shelby Hotel Bill of Sale 1947 small complete.JPG
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  04:02, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Shelby Hotel Bill of Sale 1947 small complete.JPG">File:Shelby Hotel Bill of Sale 1947 small complete.JPG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Nebhuskerfan ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

I have my doubts that it should be licensed as PD-text. — Ирука13 08:13, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * It is not PD-simple and that should be updated. However, it is still public domain as it was published in the United States between 1928 and 1977, inclusive, without a copyright notice. : 3 F4U (they/it) 16:25, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Can the process of buying and selling be called a publication? — Ирука13 22:15, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I am using the word published here in the legal sense. It was "published" in that it was made available to the public in 1947. : 3 F4U (they/it) 11:26, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It seemed to me that on Wikipedia, the word "publish" means making available to a wide range of people for a long time. — Ирука13 01:27, 8 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete - publication means a distribution to the general public which I would not expect of a sales contract for a building, so I do not think the publication date is 1947. Regardless, the image is not used so there is no reason to host it on the English Wikipedia. -- Whpq (talk) 20:33, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
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File:Pittsburgh Maulers.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Pittsburgh Maulers.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Roberto221 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Former logo, doesn't significantly this article, so fails WP:NFCC. Also violates WP:NFCC- minimal number of non-free items. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:00, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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File:Jotajoti2006small.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Jotajoti2006small.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Pshannon ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Specific logo for one event being used on the general article for World Scout Jamboree. As such, doesn't significantly enhance a reader's understanding of the topic, so fails WP:NFCC <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 15:28, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm also not sure which event this logo is for, as there wasn't a World Scout Jamboree in 2006 (they were in 2003 and 2007, and both have correct fair use logos on the articles). <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 18:14, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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File:Amy&
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Amy&#39;s Baking Company end.ogv">File:Amy& ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Knightoftheswords281 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Does not meet WP:NFCC. It it not the subject of sourced commentary within the article and its inclusion does not provide significant improvement to the article. At 3 minutes long, it also does not meet NFCC. : 3 F4U (they/it) 15:47, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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File:Amy&
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Amy&#39;s Baking Company opening.ogv">File:Amy& ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Knightoftheswords281 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Does not meet WP:NFCC. It it not the subject of sourced commentary within the article and its inclusion does not provide significant improvement to the article. At nearly 4 minutes long, it also does not meet NFCC. : 3 F4U (they/it) 15:47, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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File:Amy&
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Amy&#39;s Baking Company service.ogv">File:Amy& ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Knightoftheswords281 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Does not meet WP:NFCC. It it not the subject of sourced commentary within the article and its inclusion does not provide significant improvement to the article. At over 2 minutes long, it also does not meet NFCC. : 3 F4U (they/it) 15:48, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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File:Misaligned boat racing AI crashes to collect points instead of finishing the race.ogg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Misaligned boat racing AI crashes to collect points instead of finishing the race.ogg">File:Misaligned boat racing AI crashes to collect points instead of finishing the race.ogg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by SoerenMind ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The video does not meet WP:NFCC. Even if no free media currently exists, that does not mean no free media could not be created and published under a free license. Video or other media of AI "goal misspecification" can reasonably be created. This specific instance is not the subject of sourced commentary within the article. : 3 F4U (they/it) 15:57, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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File:Conduction aphasia.ogg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Conduction aphasia.ogg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Koridas ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Does not meet WP:NFCC. Free equivalent could be created. : 3 F4U (they/it) 16:04, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
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File:Draw the Blood clip.ogv
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The result of the discussion was: Textbook WP:NFCC violation. No prejudice to restoration if the article is significantly expanded with sourced critical commentary explicitly discussing this video in-depth - F ASTILY   02:41, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Draw the Blood clip.ogv ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Armadillopteryx ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Does not meet WP:NFCC. The clip is not the subject of sourced commentary within the article and does not provide more benefit than an external link to the music video. : 3 F4U (they/it) 16:12, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi! This video was uploaded in conjunction with the pre-FAC discussion on the article talk page. WP:NFCC does not require the work to be the subject of commentary, but rather to increase readers' understanding of the article topic. I detailed that in the rationale on the file page. Thanks, Armadillo  pteryx  16:27, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It states that inclusion is justified if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. To that end, the article does not provide enough sourced commentary on the specific clip to clearly demonstrate the relevance of the specific clip to the subject.
 * In addition to that, I don't see how the non-free media provides a greater understanding than what could be provided using an external media template. : 3 F4U (they/it) 20:02, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The clip appears next to a sourced paragraph detailing how this video is the article subject's first directorial credit, summarizing the topics addressed by the song/video, and noting that the video includes examples of personal experiences the subject has had. Notably, the clip includes a re-enactment of police brutality the subject experienced, which is also sourced and described in the article. The work's public reception is also mentioned (and sourced) in the paragraph next to it. Armadillo  pteryx  04:12, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This is the entirety of the commentary in the article on the video and the song:
 * The song...focuses on the danger of bystander inaction in the face of racism, and its video features the personal experiences of Davenport and those close to her...The video was included in Entertainment Weekly's "fabulous collection of the RuPaul's Drag Race queens' best music videos".
 * This is simply not enough to justify its inclusion. : 3 F4U (they/it) 17:16, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
 * This seems disingenuous, as there's a whole paragraph about the video. The full text says:
 * In February 2020, Davenport and Aja released "Draw the Blood", a collaborative single whose music video marked Davenport's first directorial credit. The song, which debuted at number 26 on iTunes, focuses on the danger of bystander inaction in the face of racism, and its video features the personal experiences of Davenport and those close to her. The title references a metaphor indicating that those who do not intervene when they witness injustice have blood on their hands. Aja and Davenport each penned portions of the track, and Kareem McJagger wrote the hook. The video was included in Entertainment Weekly "fabulous collection of the RuPaul's Drag Race queens' best music videos".
 * This is further contextualized by a paragraph describing the incident of police brutality the subject experienced (depicted in the video clip) in the article's Activism section. Armadillo  pteryx  00:52, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The rest of the paragraph is not relevant because . It's just talking about who wrote what or how well it was rated—that isn't commentary. There does appear to be one more sentence covering the video in the Activism section, I apologize about that. But regardless, the fact that there are just three sentences, which only briefly cover what happens in the music video, demonstrates that the video does not currently meet WP:NFCC.
 * As well, this still doesn't negate my WP:NFCC concern I have. Providing an external link to the video is a free alternative and is very much possible here. : 3 F4U (they/it) 05:10, 8 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete - none of the text about the video requires the viewing of the video to understand. As such, the removal of the video does not detract from a reader's understanding of the article.  Fails WP:NFCC. -- Whpq (talk) 20:36, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
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File:Nottingham Forest F.C. logo.svg
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The result of the discussion was: Keep as non-free - F ASTILY   02:41, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Nottingham Forest F.C. logo.svg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by RandyFitz ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

It was earlier suggested (see ) this file be relicensed to PD-ineligible-USonly however one user thought the tree would make the logo be above c:COM:TOO US however there are examples listed at c:COM:TOO US that are at least as complex as this logo which makes me certain that it truly is below the TOO in the US. So I once again decide to nominate it for relicensing. Jonteemil (talk) 20:52, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Pinging and  who were the participants in the former FFD. Jonteemil (talk) 20:54, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I feel this is a borderline case. I'd say keep as non-free per the precautionary principle. Ixfd64 (talk) 22:50, 4 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I think that this logo is as simple or simpler than at least one of these four files: c:File:Best Western logo.svg, c:File:Los Angeles Football Club.svg, c:File:American Owned American Made Logo.jpg and c:File:Jamba logo.svg which have all been deemed uncopyrightable by US courts. Jonteemil (talk) 22:29, 6 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Retain as non-free - this is borderline to be sure and without an actual ruling we are going on our best guess. For me the tree is slightly more complex than the elements in the examples that are too simple for copyright. -- Whpq (talk) 20:39, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
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