Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2023 November 12

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File:Led Zeppelin - The Rain Song.ogg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  16:09, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Led Zeppelin - The Rain Song.ogg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Schellack ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Not discussed critically or used for educational purposes. Fails WP:NFCC. ―Justin ( koa v f ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:03, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
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File:Une Tragedie.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  16:09, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Une Tragedie.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Cholmes75 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Photograph/derivative work of a sculpture that has no evidence of being freely licensed. Logan Talk Contributions 04:08, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
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File:SV Henry Green.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  16:09, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * File:SV Henry Green.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Gc717 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Per c:Commons:Deletion_requests/File:20160530_7421_SV_henry_green.jpg, it has been confirmed that this file is under a NC-SA license. Non-free with NC states that any file licensed under NC is still considered fair use. Henry Alan Green is still alive so it fails NFCC1 where a free file can possible be created. --Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 07:17, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 14:42, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
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File:Self-portrayed depiction of Manoj Sharma.jpeg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  16:09, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Self-portrayed depiction of Manoj Sharma.jpeg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Syed Sadique Hussain ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

A free portrait photo of a living person can still be obtain. This file does not meet the requirements of WP:NFCC – robertsky (talk) 07:58, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, nonfree photo of a living individual. Seraphimblade Talk to me 14:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NFCC and item 1 of WP:NFC. for future reference, non-free content such as this is usually better tagged for speedy deletion per WP:F7 instead. You can use the template rfu to do this. Photos such as this usually only end up needing to be discussed when they're tagged for speedy deletion, the deletion is contested, and the reviewing admin feels further discussion is necessary. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:05, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Marchjuly, noted on this. – robertsky (talk) 03:46, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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File:Alexandria Virginia sheriffs office photo of Enrique Tarrio.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  16:09, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Alexandria Virginia sheriffs office photo of Enrique Tarrio.png">File:Alexandria Virginia sheriffs office photo of Enrique Tarrio.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Feoffer ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Discussion about this file's non-free use began at WT:NFCC, but I'm moving the discussion here to seek wider input from the community. Basically, this is a case of WP:DECORATIVE non-free use in Enrique Tarrio which fails WP:NFCC. There's not really anything historic about this photo per se per WP:ITSHISTORIC and there's already a free image of Tarrio being used for primary identification purposes in the main infobox of the article per WP:FREER. Moreover, there's also no sourced critical commentary about the mugshot itself or about how Tarrio's appearance either in this mugshot or during his trial was so vastly different from how he looked on January 6 or in other similar photos with baseball cap and sunglasses which might provide justification for non-free use per WP:NFC and require readers to see to understand anything that's written about Tarrio in that section of the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:32, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Tarrio isn't fully identifiable in the the free image; in public he wore sunglasses and baseball hat which obscures his features.  If it would assuage your concerns, we could swap the order of the images and put this image in the infobox at the top -- it's well-established we can use a fair use image in that context.  I think it's better to put the images in chronological order, but not if exercising editorial discretion  over placement will lead to deletion. Additionally there is a editorial interest in including a mugshot of a person known for their criminal behavior.  It takes a very high bar to include a mugshot in a BLP (WP:MUG), but when that bar is finally met after a high profile criminal conviction and sentencing, the Fair Use Policy concerns are undoubtedly met -- the image is a government work with no commercial opportunity. Feoffer (talk) 11:17, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Note there is a free image available where he is not wearing the hat and glasses. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 17:49, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Clear delete; the image is a non-free image of a living person. There is no particular historical significance to the mugshot that informs the BLP where it remains. We already have a free license image available in the infobox. Moving the non-free image to the infobox doesn't change requirements under WP:NFCC. Yes, it's a government work, but not a federal work. The image is encumbered with copyrights, and must meet or exceed all elements of WP:NFCC, which it does not. To the person closing this discussion; please note that per WP:NFCC, there needs to be a consensus to include the image somewhere, not a consensus to remove it. Non-free images are not, by default, acceptable and thus require consensus to remove, per burden of proof at WP:NFCC. No valid rationale can be written in my opinion. --Hammersoft (talk) 11:39, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: I have to agree with Hammersoft. This does not pass all 10 WP:NFCC requirements. There is a freely licenced image which you just don't like but we have worse images of some people, so that's not a good reason to keep and because he is still living, at some time a better free image could be made. ww2censor (talk) 00:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Hammersoft and previous comments at the WT:NFCC talk. Just because there are better non free options doesn't invalidate that all points of NFCC have to be met. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs  talk 01:19, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * As a sanity check - are mugshots from Virginia not PD? Assuming no, then delete per NFCC. VQuakr (talk) 17:57, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * By the virtue of simply being a mugshot, the answer would be "no". If it was taken by an employee of the US federal government as part of their official duties, however, then it would be PD per WP:PD. Figuring things at the sub-national level can be trickier since it depends upon the laws/statutes of the individual state. California and Florida have statutes on the books that make certain works created by state, country and other municipal employees as part of their official duties PD, but most US states don't. Virginia is listed as "probably but unclear" by Harvard's State Resource Copyright Center, but I'm not sure if that's enough for us to make such a declaration here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:15, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, nonfree image of a living person when free images are available. Seraphimblade Talk to me 13:22, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
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File:SCFives.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  16:09, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
 * File:SCFives.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by 718 Bot ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Unused, superseded by File:SC Fives logo.svg. --<span style="font-family: monospace, monospace; color:#69C;">Minorax &laquo;&brvbar;talk&brvbar;&raquo; 13:13, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, redundant to SVG file. Salavat (talk) 14:43, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
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File:Komi Kon the caped wolf.PNG
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  02:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Komi Kon the caped wolf.PNG ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by InsaneAsylum ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Unused, orphaned, unencyclopedic. No forseeable EDUSE — MATRIX! (a good person!)&#91;citation unneeded&#93; 17:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with no obvious value. Salavat (talk) 14:13, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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