Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2023 November 9

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File:Shani Louk in Gaza City.jpg

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more files. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the file's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as F5 by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:01, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Shani Louk in Gaza City.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by RodRabelo7 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Image use policy—Image was unfairly obtained (referring to the circumstances of the taking of the image). —Alalch E. 21:24, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Whpq (talk) 02:55, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep and use. We cannot be one-dimensional; we need to account for and balance educational purpose alongside the ethics of the image's production. The specific documentation of the kidnapping was something that so many sources covered, and it is part of what makes this case unique.I am sure that many of the victims of the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse would feel the same way about the photos we have there, but they are there because of their key encyclopedic purpose. We have an image of a man jumping to his death on 9/11 from a skyscraper at September_11_attacks for similar reasons, as do we have images of murdered civilians in the lead of Bucha massacre, as well as in several sections therein. All of these are there because our use of images is not based on a one-dimensional criteria on the question of whether or not the depicted person want this photograph taken. Rather, we have to balance this as one of several factors, chief among them being educational value that images provide to our readers.Major news networks, such as The Times, have posted pictures of victims as they were being kidnapped. There's reason for this—these sorts of images are notable and help the reader to understand the situation better than text alone is capable of. Wikipedia is not censored, and we have an obligation to our readers to provide images of educational value in helping to understand what happened here. For us to decide against including images of the very thing that this article is about makes little sense.— Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 07:01, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:WHATABOUTX seems particularly unhelpful here, because the content and presentation of examples noted above seem quite different than the image discussed here; we could have an unrelated debate about whether the use of graphic imagery throughout the Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse article undermines the educational purpose by overloading readers with content produced by the US government in a way that overwhelms the text, instead of presenting it more conservatively (perhaps in a gallery); we strive to produce accessible content, and ultimately consider how to accomplish this in each article on an individual basis. With regard to the topic of this discussion, Wikipedia is not a forum for unregulated free speech, and even if this image is legal content, not all legally obtained photographs of individuals are acceptable here. Beccaynr (talk) 16:49, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete according to the Moral issues criteria; this image appears to unfairly demean or ridicule the subject based on sources in the Kidnapping of Shani Louk article, and to have been unfairly obtained based on the circumstances described by sources in the article. These criteria are not one-dimensional questions about whether this kidnapped, mostly-naked, and apparently unconscious woman wanted to have this image used in what has been described as Hamas propaganda that was propagated on social media. And beyond the common decency aspect the Moral issues criteria asks us consider, the article also indicates this image is part of a European Commission investigation into social media that permitted circulation of this imagery. Beccaynr (talk) 04:06, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep and use, per Red-tailed hawk. Also per Abu Ghraib precedent. RodRabelo7 (talk) 14:41, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete per Beccanyr. Levivich (talk) 02:21, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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