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File:Bartaman logo 2023.png

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Edward-Woodrow  •  talk  17:26, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Bartaman logo 2023.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Iruka13 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The source has not been mentioned clearly and the image has been illegally used from website by downloading and uploading VNC200 (talk) 02:02, 15 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Keep - The nomination makes no sense. The upload clearly had a source provided in the information box field labeled "Source".  India's threshold of originality is similar to the US, so this logo which is just a rendering of text in a specific font is not eligible for copyright protection and there is nothing "illegal" about downloading the logo and uploading it to the English Wikipedia. -- Whpq (talk) 17:24, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:Russian Empire passport.jpeg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  11:03, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Russian Empire passport.jpeg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Carverd8 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Photo of a passport from a virtual country that is not significant enough. — Ирука13 05:03, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with no obvious value. Salavat (talk) 06:35, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:Agafazlullah.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Whpq (talk) 01:46, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Agafazlullah.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Mosvi2014 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The member has a long track record of copyright violations, including the last 3 images that were removed and looked similar to those shown. — Ирука13 13:00, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless evidence of permission can be established. Salavat (talk) 06:36, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:Agasyedbaqir.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Whpq (talk) 01:47, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Agasyedbaqir.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Mosvi2014 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The member has a long track record of copyright violations, including the last 3 images that were removed and looked similar to those shown. — Ирука13 13:01, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, orphaned with questionable licensing. Salavat (talk) 06:36, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:Agasyedyousuf.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Whpq (talk) 01:47, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Agasyedyousuf.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Mosvi2014 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The member has a long track record of copyright violations, including the last 3 images that were removed and looked similar to those shown. He could not take this photo purely due to his age. — Ирука13 13:02, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless evidence of permission can be established. Salavat (talk) 06:36, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:Aftermath of the battle of Pantelleria.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the file's undeletion. Whpq (talk) 01:53, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Aftermath of the battle of Pantelleria.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by FarSouthNavy ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

No evidence that the photo was published before 1989. — Ирука13 13:41, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:Duncan Hall - 1954 - rugby league player.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Whpq (talk) 01:54, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Duncan Hall - 1954 - rugby league player.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Boylo ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The photo was published after 1946 and is not in the public domain in the US. — Ирука13 14:31, 15 September 2023 (UTC)


 * The image seems clearly to be copyrighted in the US due to URAA restorations. Note however that there is a duplicate on Commons as File:StateLibQld 2 135379 Duncan Hall, captain of Western Suburbs Rugby League team, 1954.jpg, which I have accordingly nominated for deletion there. Felix QW (talk) 14:54, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:David Lange, August 1989.png
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The result of the discussion was: Textbook WP:NFCC violation. No prejudice to restoration if the article is significantly expanded with sourced critical commentary explicitly discussing this image in-depth - F ASTILY   09:46, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:David Lange, August 1989.png">File:David Lange, August 1989.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Aubernas ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

There is nothing wrong with the b&w photos that we have of Lange. I don’t see a justification for fair use just so that we have a more formal looking colour image.  Schwede 66  17:39, 15 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Why is this about the way you feel? The black and white photo of him looking to the side at the Post Office just isn't appropriate for a world leader. It's informal and already repeated in the article. A nice, "more formal-looking colour image", as said by you yourself, is infinitely better. Especially when it's a photo of someone deceased, and has been sourced in respect to copyright from a New Zealand public service that cannot profit from its use (commercial opportunities are absolutely nill). I really don't understand why having a better image of a New Zealand prime minister can be considered so unjustified. Aubernas (talk) 02:15, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Here's an example of what I'm getting at.
 * Helmut Kohl (1996) cropped.jpg Helmut Kohl & François Mitterrand - 1983.jpg
 * One the left is a nice colour photo of Helmut Kohl in 1996, taken by the Belgian photographer Christian Lambiotte. On the right, is an uncropped photo of Kohl with Francois Mitterrand in 1983, looking to the side and gurning in the harsh Stuttgart sunlight. Now, theoretically, we could crop the photo on the right and use that for the portrait on his page. But would it be adequate?
 * When sourcing the photo of Lange, another ethnic German who was a prominent world leader during his time, I ensured I didn't get a photo taken by a commercial organisation that could theoretically profit from it, such as from a newspaper. The New Zealand Parliament on demand's series "Looking Back" is a non-partisan and free documentary intended to educate about New Zealand politics - it's the ideal source. And the copyright postscript I chose backs this up. No one else has complained about this change - in fact, I think it's long overdue. Aubernas (talk) 02:26, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * When sourcing the photo of Lange, another ethnic German who was a prominent world leader during his time, I ensured I didn't get a photo taken by a commercial organisation that could theoretically profit from it, such as from a newspaper. The New Zealand Parliament on demand's series "Looking Back" is a non-partisan and free documentary intended to educate about New Zealand politics - it's the ideal source. And the copyright postscript I chose backs this up. No one else has complained about this change - in fact, I think it's long overdue. Aubernas (talk) 02:26, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Keep as per the reasons outlined above. Nothing wrong with the non-free image. Past image was ridiculously informal and of poor quality. There is no commercial opportunity to be made. Aubernas (talk) 08:18, 23 September 2023 (UTC) Keep - as per WP:NFCC#1, no image would "serve the same encyclopedic purpose". The previous photo was a cropped, perfunctory, black and white snapshot taken in a post office in the Manawatū - for the lead, it cannot serve any encyclopedic purpose. The photo is reused in the article as a casual photo, which is fine. But the point stands that the image I uploaded is a low-resolution portrait of an influential world leader, who has been deceased for nearly 20 years, obtained from a public site which cannot make any money from it at all. Aubernas (talk) 12:55, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete as failing WP:NFCC. The image clearly replaceable with a freely licensed image for the use of visual identification.  "I don't like that picture." is not an exemption to WP:NFCC. -- Whpq (talk) 17:27, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Used for the purpose of visual identification, there are several choices that can be used for that purpose. Is the person identifiable in the image?  Yes.  Thus the image is fit for the purpose.  There are several free images to choose from in c:Category:David Lange.  -- Whpq (talk) 13:08, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Nothing else is suitable. Aubernas (talk) 22:04, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep those are grainy and mostly black and white pictures in which others would have to cropped out (and even then, Lange wouldn't be facing the camera). No image would "serve the same encyclopedic purpose" for the lead. Aubernas (talk) 22:09, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:Iskander Mirza, Governor General of Pakistan, with his highness, Shah of Iran.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Relicense to -  F ASTILY   09:46, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Iskander Mirza, Governor General of Pakistan, with his highness, Shah of Iran.jpg">File:Iskander Mirza, Governor General of Pakistan, with his highness, Shah of Iran.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by IDangerMouse ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The image has a non-free use rationale for use as identifying image on the subject's article, but it is actually used in the article body, and does not seem to be subject of critical commentary. It seems that the uploader has a physical copy, but it is unclear to me whether he claims to be the copyright holder and intends to put it under a non-commercial license. Felix QW (talk) 18:45, 15 September 2023 (UTC)


 *  Delete  as fails WP:NFCC. The NFUR indicates the copyright holder as "Iranian State Media during the Monarchy" -- Whpq (talk) 17:30, 21 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much for pointing this out! Somehow I was hung up on the bad NFUR, and didn't check that Iran only has a Publication + 30 years copyright period for photographic works (and no URAA issues). So I suppose we should just relicense this PD-Iran and move on. Felix QW (talk) 17:33, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
 * You're right. It should be relicensed. -- Whpq (talk) 01:56, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:Uniform of the 43rd Regiment of Foot, raised in America (1740).jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Keep. Withdrawn by nominator. Felix QW (talk) 22:47, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Uniform of the 43rd Regiment of Foot, raised in America (1740).jpg">File:Uniform of the 43rd Regiment of Foot, raised in America (1740).jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Celtus ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Orphaned, and according to the source the NYPL were themselves unable to make a copyright determination. They also do not seem to know at all which publication this has been taken from and when. Felix QW (talk) 21:00, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep Added the original source, demonstrating publication in 1885 which makes it PD. Kges1901 (talk) 22:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:Turf Moor 1930s.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Whpq (talk) 01:57, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Turf Moor 1930s.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Bfcdan ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

As a 1929 publication, still in copyright in the US until 2025. UK copyright could have lapsed in 2000, 70 years after publication. Felix QW (talk) 21:01, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:Team GB 1936.png
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Whpq (talk) 01:58, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Team GB 1936.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by JD554 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

As a 1936 image with no indication of Crown copyright, it will still have been protected in the UK at the URAA restoration date and will thus be protected in the US until 2032. Felix QW (talk) 21:33, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * What is URAA? Flibirigit (talk) 11:59, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * URAA is the Uruguay Round Agreements Act, a US law that restored foreign copyrights from many nations in the U.S. on January 1, 1996. UK was 70 PMA in 1996.  Abzeronow (talk) 21:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:Yugoslav submarine Osvetnik.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: relisted on. F ASTILY  01:41, 27 September 2023 (UTC)


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File:World Moves On.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Whpq (talk) 02:01, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 * File:World Moves On.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Cyberia3 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Not in the public domain in the US until at least 2030 due to URAA restoration. Felix QW (talk) 21:45, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:Wilson Coleman.jpg
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The result of the discussion was: relisted on. Whpq (talk) 02:02, 23 September 2023 (UTC)


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