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File:Yugoslav submarine Osvetnik.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: There is consensus that this should be kept as non-free, however there is no consensus about which article(s) the image should continue to be used in (this can, and should be discussed in a followup FfD) - F ASTILY   02:47, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Yugoslav submarine Osvetnik.jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Peacemaker67 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The author is identified with surname and initial, which suffices not to make this an anonymous image under UK copyright law. Furthermore, the US copyright does not lapse until 2026 in any case. Felix QW (talk) 21:44, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * M. Bar is Marius Bar, a well-known French commercial naval photographer who died in 1930.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:50, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks . Changed to PD-old-70, which is the applicable timeframe under French copyright law, given Bar was French and died in 1930. So it will become PD in the US in 2026 (95 yrs after Bar's death), but this is not at issue here, because fair use is being claimed. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:12, 16 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that! If non-free use is claimed, one should add a non-free use license too. I am not sure what the minimal use guidelines are where an identification image is used both on the ship's class page and on the ship's own page, but I suspect that use on the sister ship's page is too much. Felix QW (talk) 07:03, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't agree it is too much. I think use on the three pages is reasonable, especially given the low quality of the image. However, you have added a UK-PD restored licence that says "This image was created and is now in the public domain in the United Kingdom". It is very unlikely that the image was created in the UK, as Bar mainly photographed ships in Toulon and some other French ports, and the submarine had its hulled cleaned at Toulon prior to delivery to the Yugoslavs and it was almost certainly photographed by him there. AFAIK, it never sailed in British waters. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:19, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
 * It is unfortunate that the template says it was "created in the UK", and in principle I am happy to change it back since in this case, restored American copyright is independent of which tag to use. Otherwise, the key location is that of first publication, and as far as we know that is in the UK. There is the additional issue that PD-old-70 does not interact well with non-free licenses, which I have raised here. Felix QW (talk) 10:43, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  F ASTILY   01:41, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep as non-free for the sub and the ship class but not the sister ship, Yugoslav submarine Smeli. -- Whpq (talk) 02:01, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep as non-free for the class article, Osvetnik and Smeli. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 12:24, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment There are some alternatives here; at least some of these images have been published in Italy in 1963, which if either Italy or Yugoslavia were their country of first publication make them PD in their source country in 1996 and therefore PD in the US.
 * Felix QW (talk) 19:59, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
 * The purpose of the non-free image is to show what the submarine looked like. Which of the images on that website was published in 1963 and does that, in your opinion? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:08, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
 * This image shows Osvetnik during construction, at least. Felix QW (talk) 09:02, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Due to the angle and fact that the boat is incomplete, I don't think it even gets close to achieving the purpose. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:40, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, that's why I marked it a comment. Just something to consider. Felix QW (talk) 09:52, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
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Pakistan Football Federation logo files

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The result of the discussion was: File:Pakistan national football team.png was deleted as a duplicate (unrelated to this FfD), remove from Pakistan national football team - F ASTILY   02:47, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Pakistan national football team.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Jornius22 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).


 * File:New2008 PFFlogo.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Nabs ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Duplicate of File:New2008 PFFlogo.png that was originally tagged for speedy deletion per WP:CSD but declined by administrator since the file is in use, who suggested it be discusssed here at FFD instead. Two non-free files are not needed for what is essentially the same logo; so, which of the two should be deleted can be decided here. "File:New2008 PFFlogo" was uploaded in 2008 and its non-free use in Pakistan Football Federation seems fine; "File:Pakistan national football team" was uploaded a few days ago and is being used in the main infobox of Pakistan national football team, which is questionable per item #17 of WP:NFC. Previous FFD/WP:NFCR discussions about this type of non-free use have generally resulted in a consensus that logos used by sports federations are considered OK for primary identification purposes in the main infobox about the federation itself (i.e. the parent entity), but are not considered OK for the main infoboxes of articles about individual national teams (i.e. the child entities) except when the logo is somehow specific to the team itself. If a consensus is established that such a non-free use is OK in this particular case for the individual team article, then so be it; however, there's still no need for two files and one of them needs to be deleted regardless. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:28, 18 September 2023 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  F ASTILY   01:41, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:Figure from Doors.webp

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:01, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * File:Figure from Doors.webp ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Brachy0008 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The non-free image is only being used as an illustration for a character mentioned in passing in the article, thus it is not needed. ❤︎PrincessPandaWiki (talk | contribs) 04:43, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:ServiceRecordHitch.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:01, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * File:ServiceRecordHitch.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Sintch ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).


 * File:National Archive record of the service record of Gil Hitch.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Sintch ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Unused files from a deleted article. — Ирука13 12:35, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete both, orphaned with no obvious value. Salavat (talk) 06:08, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:KMTW KSCC UPN Kansas 2002 logo.png
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:01, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * File:KMTW KSCC UPN Kansas 2002 logo.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by LooneyTraceYT ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Non-free image used in violation of criteria 8 WP:NFCC. — Ирука13 13:14, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:Edoardo Agnelli (Turin, circa 1990).jpg
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  04:02, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * <span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion lx ffd-file" id="File:Edoardo Agnelli (Turin, circa 1990).jpg">File:Edoardo Agnelli (Turin, circa 1990).jpg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Davide King ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

The date the photo was taken is unclear, and the publication date takes the image beyond PD-Italy. — Ирука13 14:58, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Did you notice that the picture has been uploaded at c:File:ادواردو آنیلی (مهدی).jpg as own work by the uploader? I added an original upload log and tagged as wrong licence. --Stefan2 (talk) 16:19, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I saw that the image on Commons was uploaded by another person. — Ирука13 16:35, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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File:MV Victory.mp3
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  01:01, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * File:MV Victory.mp3 ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Stuoop1dstoodant124342 ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Even if a work is in the public domain, the rights to that particular performance belong to the group of performers. — Ирука13 19:47, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
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