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File:Larry Connor Portrait.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by AnomieBOT ⚡  16:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
 * File:Larry Connor Portrait.png ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by GemCityFlyer ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

Likely not own work. File information says the photo was taken in 2015, but this University of Dayton article has a version of it in 2013. Curiously, the Huffington Post has republished this photo, crediting Connor as providing the photo, but the exif metadata shows that it came from enwiki. The image on the UD article has "Larry lecture flyer 2013.indd" as the XMP:Title attribute.

The uploader also uploaded multiple other photos to Commons as their own work, which, if true, would mean they were with Connor for more than 20 years taking photos with him hiking up Mt. Kilimanjaro, with him in the sky, of him racing in 2001, and is named Brad Feinknopf. SWinxy (talk) 02:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
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File:PBS logo.svg

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The result of the discussion was: Remove from List of United States over-the-air television networks. No consensus on copyright status, so defaulting to status quo (non-free) -Fastily 06:31, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * File:PBS logo.svg ([ delete] | talk | [ history] | links | [ logs]) &#x20;– uploaded by Jonteemil ( [ notify] | contribs | uploads | upload log).

This non-free logo's use at List of United States over-the-air television networks fails both WP:NFCC (no free equivalent) and WP:NFCC (contextual significance), as PBS can adequately be represented with (a crop of the logo without the P-Head) and the P-Head is not the subject of critical commentary in the article. JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 02:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Your rationale is pretty solid. Indeed, we could replace it with a text-only logo and the article would not be less useful. The Quirky Kitty (talk) 05:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Apparently the logo is PD anyway, as a derivative of an older version, see c:Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by SergioCarino, so I'll close this as kept unless anyone disagrees. Jonteemil (talk) 19:54, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Relicense as PD, move to commons; per Jonteemil -- 65.92.244.237 (talk) 05:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Remove from List of United States over-the-air television networks per nom and do not move to Commons. C:COM:TOO United States specifically identifies the PBS logo as an image that's above the threshold of originality. - Eureka Lott 22:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No one is saying that it is below c:COM:TOO US. Read the deletion request I linked to before making a statement please. Jonteemil (talk) 00:38, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I did read the it, and the discussion was about older logos, not more recent versions. Newer logos are copyrighted. - Eureka Lott 03:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * c:Com:Derivative work of a PD logo can't become non-free if no non-free elements are added, which there aren't in this case. I don't see what would be considered non-free here when the design would seem to be free according to that deletion request at least. Jonteemil (talk) 14:01, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * If you look carefully at the evolution of the logo, you'll see that that the changes, while subtle, go beyond merely adding non-free elements. The current logo was just deleted at commons a few months ago. If we move it there, it will be deleted again. - Eureka Lott 15:40, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So, because the current PBS logo (P-Head & stylized "PBS" wordmark) is copyrighted (& therefore considered non-free), it can't be used on Wikipedia, despite it being the current logo for PBS? I mean, from my perspective, it wouldn't be correct to use just the stylized "PBS" wordmark for PBS's article & the list of US OTA TV networks because that's not the complete logo. To use an analogous comparison, it would be like using a version of the logos for CBS (without the eye device) & NBC (without the peacock) for their respective articles & the list of OTA US networks; again, it wouldn't be correct because it's not the complete logo, not to mention, I just did a search on the website for the USPTO, & the logos for both CBS (eye device & stylized "CBS" wordmark) & NBC (peacock & stylized "NBC" wordmark) are copyrighted as well, but are still being used on here.
 * Just my take, but it seems like Wikipedia's policies on using copyrighted imagery in articles is quite the "pick and choose" situation, which it shouldn't be at all. ClarkKentWannabe (talk) 14:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Completely agree with this comment by ClarkKentWannabe. The 2019 PBS style guide states that the P-Head and "PBS" wordmark elements shall not be separated, so doing so here would be misrepresenting the logo. With previous versions of the logo, it was much more common for the two elements to be separated, but not anymore. Additionally, as a side note, many local stations are using now this logo in conjunction with a geographic identifier (PBS Appalachia, or Vegas PBS), which further integrates all three elements together when used on localized graphics. I know that's on a local level, but the point still stands that the main two elements will never be seen alone. Itspeeebs (talk) 00:19, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I disagree. For example, we use free alternative images to identify teams on articles about sports rivalries (cap insignia for baseball teams, jersey wordmark for basketball teams, and team wordmarks for American football and ice hockey teams). We apply this consistently even in cases when the main logos of both teams are freely-licensed (see Bruins–Canadiens rivalry, Cowboys–Packers rivalry, Dodgers–Yankees rivalry and Lakers–Pistons rivalry). JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 02:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
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