Wikipedia:GLAM/MonmouthpediA/Discussion

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Category
Would it now be time to create a category for the town of Monmouth? Category:Monmouthshire is too geographically broad to correlate well with the focus of MonmouthpediA. There is an existing Category:Monmouth which disambiguates to some existing town categories in the US. We could adopt that (in line with the Wikipedia main article name Monmouth), or create a new category, for example Category:Monmouth, Wales. welsh (talk) 04:19, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree - I was thinking the same. But, we would need to consider whether some of the articles tagged for Monmouthpedia, such as Troy House and Trellech, which are outside the town itself, should be included within a Category:Monmouth, Wales.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:20, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, not all of MonmouthpediA would qualify, but a good proportion would. My thought would be that the category deals with the town's geography and strongly associated people, events and organisations. welsh (talk) 18:53, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have created the Category:Monmouth, Wales. For a similar precedent see Category:Abergavenny. Feel free to add any subcategories that make sense. As I stated above, this category should reflect the town's geography and strongly associated people, events and organisations, rather than just being a bucket for MonmouthpediA articles. welsh (talk) 05:16, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * As a PS to my earlier comment, I note that User:Llywelyn2000 has been creating a lot of new articles on the Welsh Wikipedia - which is obviously great - but has also added them to the Monmouthpedia page here when, although they are within Monmouthshire county, are some way distant from Monmouth itself - such as Magor and Llanover.  We might need clearer criteria as to what counts as a Monmouthpedia contribution, especially now that there may be people competing for prizes - unless we are saying it is going to be, in effect, Monmouthshirepedia  Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:59, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Someone needs to add a sorting parameter to most of the category entries for "Monmouth foo". Do we have any AWB users on-board? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:01, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

There has been some discussion on the Tintern Abbey page about the boundary of MonmouthpediA. I am of the view that the geographical scope is the town, and by association the surrounding smaller villages that would align to it, perhaps out to a maximum of 3 or 4 miles radius. We need to understand this so that some limit can be enforced, particularly if some are interpreting MonmouthppediA to be the whole of Monmouthshire. Can we strive to form a consensus here? welsh (talk) 08:41, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The 3 or 4 mile rule works for villages but we have biographies and ships and headgear etc. I think the blue link to Monmouth is the key. And obviously it need to exclude "Kilts are not worn in Monmouth" or "a list of all places that begin with "M".... and then some give and take. Don't think we want to disappear into wikilawyering :-) Victuallers (talk) 10:55, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the 3 or 4 mile rule is good for geographical articles, but we might need to be clear whether this includes places in England or not, as Staunton, Gloucestershire is within this limit. Zangar (talk) 15:07, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with both of you - we need to have some flexibility, but not too much. Strictly limiting it to areas within Wales would also exclude Wyastone Leys, to give another example.  But, personally, if there was a move to extend the initiative to cover what is now Monmouthshire (or indeed the former Monmouthshire), I would very strongly support it.  It would need commitment from the County Council, the tourist bodies, other agencies, etc. - but, why not?  If it is successful in Monmouth (and it seems to be), they should be happy to extend it.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:05, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Importance assessment
Some assessment work has been going on by several contributors using the standard WikiProject assessment tools, which place a banner on article Talk pages. To date the Importance attribute has been the key parameter populated, which indicates the importance of the article to Monmouth (in the context of MonmouthpediA). The following text has been cribbed from WikiProject Wales, and the project stats are displayed. I think we should be more organised about the Importance settings, as currently there seems an imbalance between Top and Low.

An article's importance assessment is generated from the importance parameter in the WikiProject MonmouthpediA project banner on its talk page:



The following values may be used for importance assessments:
 * Top - The article is about one of the core topics of Monmouth. Adds articles to Category:Top-importance MonmouthpediA-related articles
 * High - The article is about the most well-known or culturally or historically significant aspects of Monmouth. Adds articles to Category:High-importance MonmouthpediA-related articles
 * Mid - The article is about a topic within the scope of the project that may or may not be commonly known outside the Monmouth community. Adds articles to Category:Mid-importance MonmouthpediA-related articles
 * Low - The article is about a topic that is highly specialized and is not generally common knowledge outside the community. Adds articles to Category:Low-importance MonmouthpediA-related articles
 * Unknown - Any article which is not assessed on the importance scale is automatically added to the Category:Unknown-importance MonmouthpediA-related articles.

The criteria used for rating article importance are not meant to be an absolute or canonical view of how significant the topic is. Rather, they attempt to gauge the probability of the average reader of Wikipedia needing to look up the topic (and thus the immediate need to have a suitably well-written article on it). Thus, subjects with greater popular notability may be rated higher than topics which are arguably more "important" but which are of interest primarily to specialist interest groups.

Discuss.... welsh (talk) 07:26, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I have assessed newly added articles and reassessed the pre-existing ones, using the following thinking:
 * Top - The most important and relevant topics related to Monmouth. Without artificially capping the number, I was thinking this would be a top ten.
 * High - Articles about the most well-known or culturally or historically significant aspects of Monmouth.
 * Mid - Articles of some significant linkage to Monmouth, but of specialised interest
 * Low - Articles with a linkage to Monmouth, but without significant extra connection, for example people born in the town.
 * The dynamically updated project records are shown in this table:


 * As always with Wikipedia, if you disagree with an assessment, and/or the quality improves over time, feel free to alter it. welsh (talk) 22:51, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * As you can see (above), I have turned on the Article Quality tracking, which is useful to identify which articles can potentially be improved. welsh (talk) 08:17, 21 January 2012 (UTC)


 * A formal assessment page has been created at GLAM/MonmouthpediA/Assessment. Feel free to tailor it. welsh (talk) 20:59, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Question
I am here because we are considering starting GLAM/Philadelphia, and your project was mentioned as an example. Your work here is excellently done, and it would be hard for me to add to it, but I am wondering why the remarks by the commander of HMS Monmouth on your home page are not dated 11 October 1797, since that is the battle of Camperdown date. Please don't mind me, but I am a naval battle/ship enthusiast, and I am prone to ask detailed questions. --DThomsen8 (talk) 19:52, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Ty Gwyn
Can someone from Monmouthshire take a look at Ty Gwyn, a disambiguation page which may need some cleanup or improvement.--DThomsen8 (talk) 17:38, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Infobox Coordinates at Wiki-cy
I've copied the Infobox building Template into a Welsh article here and here; but as you can see there's a problem with the coordinates. there was a problem before I started translating, yet no sub-templates are unfinished, so I'm at a loss. It may be that the second coord's should be on top right of the article, but just simply replicates it within the Infobox. Any help please? Llywelyn2000 (talk) 07:35, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * You'd need to recreate Coord and its many sub-templates (or make a simplified version), plus - importantly - the relevant CSS. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:11, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Many thanks Andy; I've now copied all Templates and sub-templates. But how do I get a list of the CSS files? Llywelyn2000 (talk) 07:26, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Look in the templates for the classes used, and copy them from (probably) Common.css‎ - you don't need the full files. if you have further problems, ask on the template's talk page, or at WT:GEO.  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:49, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Classes used? Common.css? Sorry Andy, I'm at a loss here. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 07:16, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Have you asked in the places I suggested? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:36, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

1-6 and 12-16 St Mary's Street
Is the article 1-6 and 12-16 St Mary's Street likely to be created, or shall we remove the red link from Buildings in Monmouth? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:36, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've commented out that link, for now. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:13, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

You're an inspiration to us all!
...so much so - that I've taken up the Welsh GeoVation Challange: here, which is "How can we connect communities and visitors along the Wales Coast Path?" Take a look, and if you like it please vote! Thanks for everything: diolch yn fawr! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 15:57, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

CyMAL
I'm just creating wmuk:Open Knowledge manifesto for Wales but realize that Wikipedia (English or Welsh) does not have an article for CyMAL. Could someone take a look and create a start class article? http://wales.gov.uk/topics/cultureandsport/museumsarchiveslibraries/cymal/ --Fæ (talk) 09:02, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Streets template
I've rated a new navbox, Streets in Monmouth. Have I missed any? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:11, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Proposal: subcategory for Monmouth buildings/structures
I have suggested a new subcategory Category:Buildings and structures in Monmouth. Discussion is at Category talk:Buildings and structures in Monmouthshire.—A bit iffy (talk) 17:24, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It now appears the proposed category does exist, but with a slightly different name of Category:Buildings and structures in Monmouth, Wales.—A bit iffy (talk) 18:30, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Coordinates help needed
I've been meaning to add geographic coordinates to the article War Memorial of the Royal Monmouthshire Royal Engineers but am unsure of the exact location. It seems to be in the castle car park—would 51.81209°N, -2.71659°W be about right? Deor (talk) 12:28, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

SSSIs
Talk:Site of Special Scientific Interest may be of interest. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:17, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

New Images from the National Library
After nearly a year of discussions with the National Library, National Museum of Wales, Cadw and the Royal Commission, the Welsh Language Wicipedia has just launched a Pilot which trials around 150 NLW images on a CC-BY-SA license. Should this be successful, then it's quite possible that more than 150,000 other images will follow. User:Llywelyn2000 has created a Template for the NLW image catalogue, and Fae has uploaded all 50 images using his bot, which you can find here. Feel free to link them in! welsh (talk) 19:59, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Monmouthshire Council's £17K digitisation grant
I've not been a contriubtor to Monmouthpeida but thought the following will be of interest. I can't find the story on the Welsh Governemtn's website, but this news story (in Welsh) states that Monmouthshire Council's Museum Services has been allocated £17,676 to digitise its museum collections. Maybe someone from this project is already aware of this, but if not, it's worth enquiring if they material will then be available on Commons.--Rhyswynne (talk) 08:48, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Please help get Monmouth ready for the start of the Wiki Loves Monuments competition on 1st September
This September the UK is taking part for the first time in the international photography competition Wiki Loves Monuments. Participants will be invited to submit pictures of listed buildings of significant importance (grades I or grade II*), as recorded by Cadw. The main external website for competitors can be found here, and you can leave a message there if you have queries about competing. Do please join in, and let people in your local area know of this excellent way in which both existing and new Wiki users can help improve the encyclopaedia by contributing photographs of local listed structures. What about organizing a local Wikimeet to attract new people?

In preparation for the start of the competition on 1st September there is still quite a lot of work to do, and we would like to ask for the help of members of this wikiproject. Your local and expert knowledge will be invaluable in ensuring that the lists of eligible buildings are up to date and correctly formatted. If you look at Listed buildings in the United Kingdom you will see how many structures are included. If you then follow the link to Listed buildings in Wales, you can get to the detailed lists for your area. Alternatively have a look at the WLM planning table. Can you help to ensure that the lists for your area are up to date and well presented?

Some of the lists have been semi-automatically generated from data provided by Cadw. These use pre formatted templates (eg Cadw header) which will make it much easier for competition participants to upload their photographs to Commons as an automated process. Please don't change the template structure, as we need to ensure that the templates are properly compatible with the WLM standards that are in use worldwide. The format will allow a bot automatically to collect the information and to put it into the international Monuments Database.

The data still needs the attention of local editors:
 * The "title" may need wikilinking to a suitable article name (whether we currently have that article or not). If there are several buildings in one street all of the wikilinks point at an article about the street; however each entry has a separate line in the list.
 * The "location" column looks and sorts better if just the parish or town is included (& wikilinked).
 * The "date completed" column sometimes has eg "C19" for 19th century, and "C1850" for c. 1850 when the date is uncertain - these need to be corrected manually.
 * The "grid ref & lat & long" (which is occasionally missing) may be given to 8 characters — only 6 (grid ref) or 5 (lat & long) are really needed.
 * Clicking on the "list entry number" should take you to the data sheet for that entry on the Cadw database which can be checked if needed for details.
 * The image column should have a picture added if we already have a suitable image on Commons. (N.B. if you are going to be taking photos yourself for inclusion in the competition don't upload them until September)
 * References may be added according to normal WP practice.

For further information, please see [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013_in_the_United_Kingdom Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 in the United Kingdom. ]

If you have any queries, please post them not below but on the Organizers' help page on Commons.

Anything you can do to help improve these lists will be much appreciated. '''The final deadline for cleaning up is 31st August.

--MichaelMaggs (talk) 16:29, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you
We in germany had the possibility to talk to User:Victuallers in Bremen on a GLAM meeting and I'm very happy. I send my thanks to you all make MonmouthpediA and stuff happen - that is very great! I will try to cooperate also with interessted german institutions to make easy access to free knowledge happen. Greetings from Bremen, reworking event, Conny (talk) 07:22, 31 March 2014 (UTC).

Wiki Loves Pride
You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride 2014, a campaign to create and improve LGBT-related content at Wikipedia and its sister projects. The campaign will take place throughout the month of June, culminating with a multinational edit-a-thon on June 21. Meetups are being held in some cities, or you can participate remotely. All constructive edits are welcome in order to contribute to Wikipedia's mission of providing quality, accurate information. Articles within Category:LGBT in Europe may be of particular interest. You can also upload LGBT-related images by participating in Wikimedia Commons' LGBT-related photo challenge. You are encouraged to share the results of your work here. Happy editing! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:48, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Monnow Bridge
Not sure how active this Project still is, but thought I'd give it a try. I've been working up the article on Monnow Bridge, and I've now nominated it for GA review. Assuming it passes that hurdle, I may then see about an FA nomination. While I think I have covered most of the available sources, I cannot find a copy of the pamphlet, Monnow Bridge Gate, written by Mary Ellen Bagnall-Oakeley and published in 1902/3. Worldcat shows the National Library of Wales and Bangor University as holding it, but both are unable to find it. I've tried Monmouth Museum but have not had a response. Any thoughts on possible locations would be much appreciated. KJP1 (talk) 13:12, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

I think its about 5 years since the project was lainched. It would be a good idea to see if the interest was there to do an encore and re-apply some effort. I'm doing a guest lecture at De Montfort Uni about crowdsourcing based on ???pedia projects that started in Derby and Monmouth. Pleased therefore to see your work here. Mary Ellen Bagnall-Oakeley enjoyed a special exhibition at Monmouth museum - so that is where I got any off-line information. If I remember she also had links to Bristol but I'm not sure where to look. Lovely to think that there may be a GA or even a TFA one day. I seem to remember that Monnow Bridge picture appeared on the German wikipedia during the project - as well as appearing on Wikimedia UKs annual report and the Wikimania pamphlet Victuallers (talk) 08:53, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, given its rather iconic status for Monmouth, it would be nice to get the Bridge promoted. I'm following up some leads re. the pamphlet; the two schools, the Monmouthshire Antiquarian Association and the Gwent County History Association.  I doubt it's actually essential, its findings have probably been incorporated in/superseded by MJ Rowlands' book, but it would be quite nice to access it as the first history of the Bridge and Gate.  Finding a willing GA reviewer is more critical!  We'll see how it goes.  KJP1 (talk) 15:31, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Having found the pamphlet, and a willing reviewer, the article is now GA. I have pushed it to Peer Review and, if that goes well, will then try for FA.  Any and all comments, at either stage, would be most welcome. KJP1 (talk) 07:33, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Update
The article's on the front page as today's Featured Article, which I think is a first for Monmouth. KJP1 (talk) 15:52, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Pls upload the guide elsewhere
In the "How to do it" section which I just renamed to "How to contribute" there's one link that points to a google docs document -> could you please upload the guide somewhere that allows download/viewing without a Google account? Thank you!

--Fixuture (talk) 19:57, 15 May 2017 (UTC)