Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Mammoth Cave National Park/1

Mammoth Cave National Park

 * • Watch article reassessment page
 * Result: delist . The article needs more citations and a copy-edit. Ruslik (talk) 19:53, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Notices left on the following talk pages: WP:CAVES, WP:WHS, WP:KY, WP:PAREAS, Alan Canon, Vsmith, MONGO

This is one of the better articles I have brought to WP:GAR. It is Jan 2006 GA promotion that needs to be brought up to current standards. As I prepare the current WP:CHIFTD, I spent part of the morning comparing articles in the following sections of the WP:GA page:
 * 1) Public parks and zoos,
 * 2) Recreational areas, sports venues and stadiums
 * 3) Nature reserves, conservation areas and countryside routes

This is the only article in those sections that fails section 2 of WP:WIAGA. There are no clear standards on what a properly cited article should be. My opinion is that a new WP:GAC should have at least one citation for every paragraph since each paragraph is suppose to present a new idea. For a current GA, I would I think an appropriate standard is that every section or subsection should have at least one citation and the majority of the paragraphs should have at least one citation. I did not actually count paragraph by paragraph, but I get the feel that it has more uncited paragraphs than cited ones. However, without counting I see several sections and subsections without citations. The article is a good article that hopefully will get a little attention and be refreshed to current standards through this process.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment, after a quick look, I saw at least one citation needed tag, an uncited quote, what looked like an advertisement ("Interested members of the public can join an Earthwatch.org sponsored field survey of the history of Mammoth Cave."), and some statements that definitely need a source of some kind ("Attempts to rescue Collins created a media sensation."). There are also quite a few MoS problems and the other notes is nothing but trivia. Nikki  311  23:09, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delist, it's been awhile, and there are still unsourced statements and weak prose. Nikki  311  03:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment...The article needs expansion on the biological systems...especially. I suggest looking at some related National Park FA's to get some idea of structure, and scope since the history section seems to overwhelm the entire article. I'm not advocating removing the history section, but balance needs to be achieved by enhancing other areas.--MONGO 00:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Well SFI (So Fix It) :-) Fixed a bit, Vsmith (talk) 01:43, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment. There are a few assertions in the article which need in-line citations. I've tagged a couple of them. There's also some MoS problems, most of them minor. One of the bigger issues is that the "Park superintendents" section isn't much more than a list. Majoreditor (talk) 02:21, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Delist. I don't know why there is all this discussion about what should and what need not be cited. There is absolutely no GA requirement to provide one cite per paragraph, or a certain number of citations per section. Citations should be provided to meet WP:V, period. But just a passing glance at this article reveals uncited sentences which need citation e.g. "The 'Kentucky Cave Wars' were a period of bitter competition between local cave owners for tourist money." According to whom? There are also uncited quotations, e.g., "the 'One small step for a man' quote for 'conquering the Everest of speleology' was his exclamation to the others 'I see a tourist trail!' "
 * That sentence is also an example of unencyclopedic prose. There is plenty of poor prose here, e.g. "An historical irony results in that although the name was applied before the cave system's true extent was fully known, modern discoveries have well established the appropriateness of the older name." Geometry guy 22:06, 13 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Delist per my comments above. The article hasn't improved. Majoreditor (talk) 12:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)