Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop/Archive/Dec 2017

Isidore of Seville symbol

 * Article(s):
 * Isidore of Seville


 * Request:
 * Please clean-up the image. Make the background transparent. Maybe restore the portion that got cropped. Also, the feather seems to dominate, is there a way to lessen its prominence? --evrik (talk) 18:09, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):


 * I'm happy to fix this file. However, what portion was cropped? I don't see an earlier version of the file, only the one you uploaded on 3 October.  —Мандичка YO 😜 05:17, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It is what it is. I have no other image. Thanks! --evrik (talk) 16:50, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I think what evrik is referring to is in the upper left and upper right corners of the image. The wide line that forms the outline of the feather (upper left) and the crooked stick (upper right) appears to have been truncated slightly by the left and right sides of the image. Is that the intent? Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 18:57, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * No, just bad cropping. It would be great if that could be fixed as well. --evrik (talk) 17:39, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Isidore of Seville symbol

 * Article(s):
 * Isidore of Seville


 * Request:
 * Please clean-up the image. Make the background transparent. Maybe restore the portion that got cropped. Also, the feather seems to dominate, is there a way to lessen its prominence? --evrik (talk) 18:09, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):


 * I'm happy to fix this file. However, what portion was cropped? I don't see an earlier version of the file, only the one you uploaded on 3 October.  —Мандичка YO 😜 05:17, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
 * It is what it is. I have no other image. Thanks! --evrik (talk) 16:50, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I think what evrik is referring to is in the upper left and upper right corners of the image. The wide line that forms the outline of the feather (upper left) and the crooked stick (upper right) appears to have been truncated slightly by the left and right sides of the image. Is that the intent? Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 18:57, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
 * No, just bad cropping. It would be great if that could be fixed as well. --evrik (talk) 17:39, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Environmental consequences

 * Article(s):
 * Draft page


 * Request:
 * I would like a new diagram uploaded titled "Possible environmental consequences correlated with e-cigarettes" using this Figure 1.Figure 1 will be used for a draft page. The wording for the diagram can be rewritten. QuackGuru  ( talk ) 17:00, 3 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):

Burundi COA

 * Article(s):
 * Several, including Coat of arms of Burundi

Dear Reader - could you please see if you can redraw and vectorize the first (1962-1966) Burundi-coa.
 * Request:

Thank you and best regards JanJC (talk) 13:01, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Graphist opinion(s):

Please vectorise 'density'

 * Article(s):
 * Density


 * Request:
 * Please vectorise.
 * Also, more in detail, new symbols are:
 * 113 Uut &rarr; Nh
 * 115 Uup &rarr; Mc
 * 117 Uus &rarr; Ts
 * 118 Uuo &rarr; Og - DePiep (talk) 03:05, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

I could help you with this but you have to explain a bit more as I don't think you just want a svg version of the jpg. Should it not be more visible, simplified or what ever, please ping me, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 19:54, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Graphist opinion(s):
 * I think I don't understand what changes you think of. Would it cause a problem if you try to convert it completely with keeping the details?
 * I understand an svg would create a good graph. I assume all letters (text) will be readable in svg. It's black/white, a simple graph (121 elements=rows, most of them having a value=dot), some more related info on the righthand side. A large graphic is no problem, that comes with the topic. (Readers of this topic are used to both global and detailed viewing). Inviting -DePiep (talk) 20:21, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
 * It's just that to me it looks really boring and not easy to read/understand. That is probably due to me not having enough knowledge of this subject. So if it's only supposed to be read/viewed by people with a certain knowledge that's fine. I will start to work on it and then we will see were we end up. --Goran tek-en (talk) 20:42, 21 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks. It is very fine for those interested.
 * Don't say "it's boring" when scientists are near ... ;-) It shows the 118 elements we know, and the vertical graphic line greatly shows periodicity. That is: same pattern for each row (aka period) in the periodic table. Each peak is a noble gas (=righthand column on the periodic table). Periodicity is a huge topic of research and understanding of the elements. -DePiep (talk) 08:41, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if I said something which offended you, of course it's interesting and important for the interested and with the right knowledge. I'm an image person and I look on it like that. Now I have some drafts for you, different versions;
 * Just like original, black/white
 * Greyish version
 * Black/white with color
 * Check the black/white for correctness and the others are just to show other versions. Give me feedback, please ping me, thanks. --Goran tek-en (talk) 19:16, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Goran tek-en@undefined Oops, only saw this now (by invitation). No you did not offend, I tried to say it as a joke + added a ;-) smiley! Will take a look later on. -DePiep (talk) 13:24, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Goran tek-en@undefined They are wonderful! Thanks & compliments! Please upload the grey one (because, by a phoofinish: (+)grey bars help reading, and (-)red dots take too much attention). Thank you. . -DePiep (talk) 09:43, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I like the grey one too! Thank you very much! Double sharp (talk) 10:32, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Uploaded as File:Molar volumes of liquid and solid phase of elements.svg. Had to remove some &lt;a> code (URLs) per Upload process. Mentioned orignal author Makeyev Alexander Konstantsinovich (Александр Макеев?). Pointed to this svg from original jpg. Used in article mentioned. Consider solved. -DePiep (talk) 08:41, 11 January 2018 (UTC)



PNG renderer makes some text in SVG invisible

 * Article(s):
 * SHA-3, Sponge function


 * Request:
 * The text at the top ("absorbing"/"squeezing") is rendered invisible by the PNG renderer. Can someone familiar with the inner workings of this renderer help with fixing the SVG so that it could get processed correctly? As it stands now, I can't see what's wrong: the attributes used for tag "text489" and its groupings ("g485" and "g487") are exactly the same as for the offending text (under "g465", "g467"). And yet, the former gets rendered properly, while the latter doesn't. cherkash (talk) 04:22, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

The Commons SVG Checker complained about:
 * Graphist opinion(s):
 * ERROR in with id=tspan471: Text element found with list of coordinates. It will not be rendered properly by Wikimedia's SVG renderer. See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T35245 for details.
 * ERROR in with id=tspan475: Text element found with list of coordinates. It will not be rendered properly by Wikimedia's SVG renderer. See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T35245 for details.

Those 2 elements did have multiple 'x' co-ordinates, so I removed all but the first for each, in a text editor.

I copied everything into a new file, changed the fonts for resident Deja Vu Sans, fixed some validation errors, tidied up and reuploaded. It seems ok, but check I didn't make any unintentional changes, please. -- Begoon 11:09, 4 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for cleaning it up,, and finding the problem. You did a great job, and there was really nothing much to clean up after you – there was not a single problem introduced. Which tool did you use to clean the code up? It was impressive: the structure was made much tidier than the original (although some element repetition was strangely introduced). cherkash (talk) 02:06, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Heh, the odd groupings/repetition were a relic of the original, and some copy-pastes. Because the whole thing was behaving spookily in a few ways I copied all of the elements in inkscape into a new file with default settings, used the scour extension, saved as plain svg, then used a custom script I've had for ages to tidy/remove metadata/fix indents etc (the script uses this code, and there's also a gui available for that) - the rest was good old Notepad++. -- Begoon 02:27, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Seems fixed.

Changing the aspect ratio again (For some reason, I always have difficulties whenever I try to export a PowerPoint to a gif.)

 * Article(s):
 * Lucas number; I wanted the article to have an image like the spiral-box image near the top of Fibonacci number


 * Request:
 * Last time I exported a PowerPoint to a gif then tried to upload it to Wikipedia, I ran into technical difficulties and had to ask here for help. Therefore, this time, I exported twice, at two different sizes, as a failsafe. This gif has the wrong proportions. The other exported gif, which I uploaded as a previous version of this image, has the correct proportions but has another problem, which I'm not sure how to describe better than some of the colors have been replaced than other colors. To see exactly what I mean, you may go to the file page and look at previous versions, or you may click on this link. The Nth User Care to differ or discuss? 05:57, 7 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):
 * I fixed the aspect ratio to be the same as the first upload.
 * For illustrations like this, GIF is not a really good format. Consider installing Inkscape, which is free to download and use, fairly straightforward, and allows you to create and save images as true vectors (svg), which are small in filesize, and scaleable to any size without quality loss.
 * If these are things which already exist in Powerpoint, and would be a lot of work to redraw, you might be interested in this. Basically you can save as Enhanced Windows Metafile (.emf), which you could then import into Inkscape and re-save as svg. If you were starting from scratch, or the drawing is simple then you'd just do/redo the whole job in Inkscape - a far preferable approach, because converting between formats is not always straightforward or perfect. -- Begoon 06:49, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * PDF is another good intermediate format between MS Office and Inkscape; it will generally preserve vector art and text in some editable form.—Odysseus 1 4 7  9  07:35, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The reason that I exported it to gif was to reduce file size. The PowerPoint was all flat colors, and it only used seven colors (four for the boxes' interior, one for the text, one for the arcs, and one for the boxes' outlines), so I figured that gif would be best. If the image would be no flat colors, I would have exported it to jpg. If it had been some but not all flat colors, I would have exported it to png. I can't export stuff directly from PowerPoint to svg, or else I would have done that instead of gif, but I'll try to remember to use png next time. The Nth User Care to differ or discuss? 16:38, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
 * See File:Lucas number spiral.svg. -- Begoon 03:17, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * 2 is not part of the sequence, and also the small light-blue square should be labelled 4, not 5. (1+3=4, 3+4=7, 4+7=11.)—Odysseus 1 4 7  9  06:22, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

I just followed the GIF, having no knowledge of the subject. Now I see the article says: "The sequence of Lucas numbers is: 2, 1, 3 , 4 , 7 , 11 , 18 , 29 , 47 , 76 , 123 , …". Is that correct? -- Begoon 06:28, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I usually see it starting with 1, but I guess the 2 is fine, serving as the zeroth member. (Sorry, I should have checked the article.) Regardless, the 5 definitely doesn’t belong: it just doesn’t add up.—Odysseus 1 4 7  9  06:45, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I actually mentioned that, along with some other problems that I noticed with the svg, on the image's talk page. I figured that Begoon, as the svg's initial uploader, had the page watchlisted. The Nth User Care to differ or discuss? 06:56, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ - 5 => 4 altered, grid and spiral adjusted - original gif also corrected. -- Begoon 08:45, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much; all of the problems have been fixed now. Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 16:48, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Armenian text

 * Article(s):
 * Slogans


 * Request:
 * fix armenian text. In some situation appear cutted -- Marcello Gianola (talk) 11:21, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):
 * . The svg used "FreeSerif" font, which I installed, and converted the text to outlines, since that's the only way I can think of to make absolutely certain that everyone always sees exactly the same thing (unless someone has a better idea...). You need to tell me if it looks ok now (flush your cache) because I don't know how it should look - that's just what that font gives me. -- Begoon 11:48, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks!!! :-D --Marcello Gianola (talk) 06:26, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. I'll assume that "thanks" means it does look ok, which is good. When one can't read the language, and doesn't know quite how it should look, there's always a little concern that there could be mistakes. Cheers. -- Begoon 10:28, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Flag of the General People's Congress (Yemen)

 * Article(s):
 * Several, including General People's Congress (Yemen)

Dear Reader - could you please see if you can upload the flag of the GPC ? --Panam2014 (talk) 22:23, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Request:

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 * Graphist opinion(s):

Japanese Red Cross Society

 * Article(s):
 * Japanese Red Cross Society


 * Request:
 * png or svg version, please… -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:44, 18 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):

Leonard_Holliday

 * Article(s):
 * Leonard_Holliday


 * Request:
 * transparent background please… -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:47, 9 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅  → User: Perhelion 09:54, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:21, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Arabic_script

 * Article(s):
 * Arabic_script


 * Request:
 * please make clean graphic version without the cornball font at top… -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 02:40, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):

It seems like the easiest (and most editable) way to handle this is through a table: Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 00:10, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:23, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * ps I've added your great chart to the article, how do I force it right?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:26, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Easily done by changing the class to "wikitable floatright" on the first line. I always end up looking at Help:Table (specifically Help:Table) because there's so many options for tables I never remember them all. Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 14:50, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Vectorisation request

 * Article(s):
 * Unbinilium


 * Request:
 * Please vectorise and re-typeset the nuclide symbols (in each square) in the same style as File:Ununoctium-294 nuclear.svg (299120, instead of $299 120$ as we currently have). Also, please replace the lower numbers (chemical symbols) with their current names (104 = Rf, 106 = Sg, 107 = Bh, 108 = Hs, 109 = Mt, 110 = Ds, 111 = Rg, 112 = Cn, 113 = Nh, 114 = Fl, 116 = Lv, 118 = Og; 120 can remain). Double sharp (talk) 10:30, 10 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):


 * Draft for you to check, feedback thanks. Please ping me. --Goran tek-en (talk) 15:32, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That looks excellent to me! I still think it might be a bit easier for the reader if the nuclides were given in the style 299120 (which is more common) instead of $299 120$ as the original conference paper had it, but if it's too hard to fit the text properly like that, I'll gladly accept it as it stands. Just a minor quibble: "Col- Nr." ought to be "Col. Nr.", and I'd prefer it if "N − Z" had a real minus sign instead of a hyphen. Double sharp (talk) 13:56, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry forgot about that, will fix. --Goran tek-en (talk) 17:19, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * So there should be a difference in the size of the numbers 299120? --Goran tek-en (talk) 18:04, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, the 299 (mass number) should be superscript and the 120 (atomic number) should be in normal type. Ideally I'd also have the lower atomic numbers replaced by chemical symbols as above, but that's not a must (I can see the argument that the poor average reader might get lost in a sea of unfamiliar new symbols). Double sharp (talk) 23:36, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Is this what you want? If the dash between "N - Z" is not correct you will have to write the character here for me. --Goran tek-en (talk) 12:11, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I want. The dash is still not correct; I wanted the Unicode minus sign (U+2212), &minus;. Double sharp (talk) 13:02, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * If this is correct? I will need the following;
 * Name of the file
 * Description
 * Category/ies at commons


 * to be able to upload it at commons. --Goran tek-en (talk) 14:51, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is correct. I'd imagine File:Even Z alpha decay chains.svg would be a reasonable file name, and the file could be categorised into commons:Category:Decay chain. The current description on WP is fine: "Observed decay chains possibly arising from even-Z superheavy nuclides (Z = 114, 116, 118, 120). Dotted nuclides are tentatively assigned." Double sharp (talk) 15:06, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Now you can find it here Commons:file:Even Z alpha decay chains.svg. If you are happy with this please put the code  on this request so it can be archived, thanks. ✅ --Goran tek-en (talk) 15:55, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Thank you for all your work on this! Double sharp (talk) 23:40, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Wait, sorry, I overlooked one minor thing: 286Rg should be yellow (alpha decay), not green (spontaneous fission). (Evidently I was too preoccupied with checking the figures and neglected the colours.) Once that's done, everything will be correct and I'll mark it as resolved. Double sharp (talk) 23:46, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
 * New version uploaded. --Goran tek-en (talk) 20:37, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Request for "flying gable" roof illustration

 * Article(s):
 * Prow house


 * Request:
 * Would like to add an illustration of a "flying gable" roof to this article. An example can be found here in the overhang section. Thanks. MB 13:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):
 * , is File:Flying gable.svg good enough? -- Begoon 11:45, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, it is sufficient, but at the thumbnail size I think the "flying gable" part that I'm trying to illustrated doesn't stand out. It looks better at full size. Perhaps changing the perspective may help. This is a photo that may help... It doesn't need to show an entire building.


 * By the way, since I made this request I found List of roof shapes with other roof drawings, If you want to standardize the colors with the other drawings (not that the existing ones are currently the same, but many are). Thanks. MB 14:36, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, I wouldn't have known a flying gable from a flying ..., ... never mind. What you showed me was this, so that's what I drew... I'll try to make it more like your new image in terms of perspective, and alter the colours, but it won't be until tomorrow. -- Begoon 14:59, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, I had a few spare minutes so I quickly altered colour/perspective. I haven't tidied that file up, because I want you to tell me if that's towards what you want, so some of the angles/parallels aren't perfect yet. I'll come back to this tomorrow. -- Begoon 16:56, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, looking good. You could make the the "flying" gable more prominent by extending the peak out away from the building a bit more and/or bringing the two ends back closer to the building. On the photo, I would estimate the peak is three times farther away from the building than the ends (although a house designer could choose whatever ratio they wanted). But generally I think this will illustrate a flying gable. MB 18:35, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, I moved the "peak" out a bit and the "ends" a tiny bit closer, and tidied up the file. -- Begoon 04:17, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, I've added it to both articles. Thanks again. MB 02:20, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Civil flag of Serbia.svg

 * Article(s):
 * Flag of Serbia, and many others...


 * Request:
 * -- 212.62.40.208 (talk) 19:41, 14 January 2018 (UTC)Colors on the Civil flag of Serbia are wrong, can someone revert it to 12:28, 14 January 2011 version, the correct civil flag can be found on the website of the Serbian government http://www.srbija.gov.rs/pages/article.php?id=12084


 * Graphist opinion(s):
 * Done - since the source you provided does seem to support the 12:28, 14 January 2011 version.
 * Note though, that per WP:BRD there should not be revert warring on files, so any further reverts will necessitate a discussion on the file talk page to determine consensus. -- Begoon 01:56, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.62.40.208 (talk) 07:26, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Blood vessels

 * Article(s):
 * Various


 * Request:
 * Some of the text is a little bit pale and difficult to read ("from heart", "to heart"), so I think they should be black. Other text ("Arterioles", "Venules", "Capillaries", "cross-sectional area"), along with the associated arrows, is coloured for no particular reason, so I think they should be black too. Also, in the 3rd image, some of the text doesn't begin with a capital letter, which I think they should. In short, make all the text and arrows black, and begin all labels with capital letters please. nagualdesign 22:38, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):
 * I'm not entirely sure I agree that the text colours are for no particular reason - I think the idea is to correspond to oxygenated or deoxygenated blood/vessels. So I tried just thickening the "from heart", plus a tiny grey keyline, and adding a keyline to the big arrow. I've only done the first one for now, for you to look at - and I'm quite happy to go with black if you still prefer that after you've looked at this. -- Begoon 01:30, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I didn't actually mean the large arrows showing the direction of blood flow, although the outline does help. I only meant the 'headless' arrows (thin lines) that point to the various parts. When I posted the request I didn't realize that the 3rd one is a Feature Picture, so maybe we should limit any alterations. Since making the "from heart" and "to heart" easier to read doesn't seem controversial, how about changing them to the same colours as "Arterioles" and "Venules", respectively? And maybe making the thin lines black and outlining the blood flow arrows as you've done? <b style="color:#000">nagual</b><b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b></b> 02:20, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Heh - actually, the keyline on the big arrow looks a bit silly in "vein", so I just took it out of both. Your idea for from/to heart might be better - I'll try that. -- Begoon 02:25, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok - I've uploaded edits of all 3 like that. If you want any more changes, or I missed something, just say so. As to replacing a featured picture - I'm not sure what codicil/bye-law or sub-paragraph that would come under, but I'm fairly certain whatever we decide will be wrong... -- Begoon 03:17, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That looks great, thank you. I don't blame you for not wanting to alter a Featured Picture, even though your edit is a definite improvement. Perhaps yours should be nominated for FP status. <b style="font:1.3em/1em Trebuchet MS;letter-spacing:-0.07em"><b style="color:#000">nagual</b><b style="color:#ABAB9D">design</b></b> 03:25, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Shoplifting image

 * Article(s):
 * Forty Elephants


 * Request:
 * Crop out the tool tip in the upper left corner. Thanx. 67.245.208.219 (talk) 23:43, 17 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Graphist opinion(s):
 * I removed that, and did a bit of general clean-up. -- Begoon 04:30, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
 * It looks like it is still there on the 10:29 edition of the image. Is my browzer lying to me? 67.245.208.219 (talk) 18:28, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
 * It is. I had to flush cache. This is done. 67.245.208.219 (talk) 18:28, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

As to requester above. ✅ Goran tek-en (talk) 13:37, 21 January 2018 (UTC)