Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Illustration workshop/Archive/Jun 2013

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Do you know how to change a Photo
Article(s): Main Page/sandbox Request:
 * Hi do you know how to change a photo slightly because I would like the 1 photo to have the circle around the other 3 photos please ... -- Paladox2014 (talk) 13:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * I don't understand your question; could you please try asking in other words? If English isn't your first language, try asking in another language - maybe someone on here will understand.  --Slashme (talk) 16:16, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not really that hard to understand. Paladox2014 wants the three icons on the right to be recreated with a white border like the first one. Actually the first one is one of the HS icons (maybe you already find appropriate icons there), a "blank" version (with only the border) which one can use as a source for the new icons exists (see gallery).
 * hi how would I insert the circle around the images Paladox2014 (talk) 18:31, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * could you insert the images into the circle please Paladox2014 (talk) 18:30, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * To do it yourself you'd preferably use a a vector graphics editor like Inkscape. Then you can open the blank version, copy the needed icon into it and resize/align it to fit the circle. It's actually not that hard.
 * I could do some of the icons for you but please:
 * Check HS icons and Commons:Category:HS icons if there are already icons available for your purpose. The iconset is quite large already and we don't want to do unnecessary work in the graphics lab.
 * See if you can find a vector version of File:HILLBLU molecola.png or if you can find an alternative icon of which a vector version is available. I personally do not want to fiddle around with raster graphics.
 * --Patrick87 (talk) 18:51, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * thanks Paladox2014 (talk) 18:55, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * hi I carnt find any similar icons Paladox2014 (talk) 19:12, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * could you make the icon please thank you 86.171.33.224 (talk) 20:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I did the two star icons. As said above I won't do the last one without a vector source. --Patrick87 (talk) 20:28, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if the requester noticed, but there are already a few versions of File:Cscr-featured.svg in Commons:Category:HS icons, albeit in different colours: File:HSbra2.svg, File:HSutvald2-Grey.svg, and File:HSutvald2.svg. It doesn't really matter anymore, though, since the icons have now been made. Might I offer a suggestion, though? Perhaps File:HSPortal.svg could be used in place of the remaining graphic. Dewclouds (talk) 20:35, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks 86.171.33.224 (talk) 06:23, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * how would you do the svg 86.171.33.224 (talk) 06:38, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * How can I I do the svg version and add the circle 90.217.175.119 (talk) 18:48, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Full Turks and Caicos coat of arms
Article(s): Turks and Caicos Islands, Coat of arms of the Turks and Caicos Islands, British Overseas Territories, Gallery of coats of arms of the United Kingdom and dependencies, etc. Request:
 * Create an SVG file of the full Turks and Caicos arms found at http://images.vector-images.com/img/117/turks_and_caicos_coa.gif

Graphist opinion(s):
 * A vector version of the escutcheon can be found at :. --Patrick87 (talk) 00:59, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

BPL.svg
Article(s): Template:Bangladesh Premier League

Request:
 * Convert this image to SVG. (look here then convert in SVG) jpg version of this picture --Aftab1995 (talk) 14:31, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * This request was already made on Commons:Graphic Lab. --Patrick87 (talk) 14:51, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes (but nobody doesn't respond there) --Aftab1995 (talk) 15:32, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I did respond! But you didn't seem quite satisfied with my answer (searching the original vector source – which must exist somewhere – on your own). Nevertheless (even if you're too lazy to search) you should have linked to the original request. Otherwise it could happen two people are working on the same graphics, since there are two discussions going on independently of each other. --Patrick87 (talk) 16:50, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Already i am searching & i found only jpg version --Aftab1995 (talk) 13:49, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Heraldic arms and crest for American family
Hello,

I would like to make a request for a higher quality image of the arms of the Mathews (Augusta) family, for use on the main page. The arms are described as: Arms: Gyronny of eight, sable and gules, a lion rampant, or. Crest: A demi lion rampant, or.

Source: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/WV-FOOTSTEPS/1999-09/0937846706

Thanks, Newtack101 (talk) 20:29, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Prairie Capital Convention Center
Article(s): Prairie Capital Convention Center

Request:
 * Hi! Requesting image to be converted to SVG. This isn't the biggest priority on wiki, but it would mean a lot if it was completed! I  help dןǝɥ   I  10:50, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

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Vazgen Sargsyan's signature
Article(s): Vazgen Sargsyan Request:
 * Please improve the quality and vectorize if possible. --  Ե րևանցի  talk  15:32, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * I don't think there's much we can do about the file. The quality is too low for a proper vectorization. --Patrick87 (talk) 00:41, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ Tried hand vectorization. I did not remove "waves" of the ink path, didn't know how much original they are, it is simple correcting them if needed.-- Fulvio 314  05:11, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually those "waves" are some very ugly artifacts someone produced while trying to further improve the raster graphics. Check the file history to find more appropriate versions. --Patrick87 (talk) 05:23, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Flattened waves...-- Fulvio 314  13:33, 22 May 2013 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fulvio314 (talk • contribs)

Crest and coat
Article(s): Royal Malaysian Air Force, Sabah Request:
 * Need a vectorise. The new version of the coat of arms of Sabah could be upload to commons. ;) &mdash; иz нίpнόpʜᴇʟᴘ! 14:05, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Anyone here? &mdash; иz нίpнόpʜᴇʟᴘ! 06:40, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):

Judiciary of New York new diagram request
Article(s): Judiciary of New York Request:
 * I would like to request a diagram (illustration) of the organizational structure of the New York Unified Court System. The topic was recently on reddit.com/r/Law as a meme: its complicated enough that I think only a diagram will "give a clear picture". I would say understanding New York's legal system is an important societal issue that affects alot of people, and this will help tremendously. It would be great if it was as simple and pretty as possible (and would fit well as a small image within these type articles) so we could use it as a template for similar pages to replace diagrams like File:Organisation juridictionnelle nationale fr.gif which is not that great. Something simple like File:Organigrama eu 01.svg would do just fine, preferably with simple enough SVG I could manually edit colors and such. Pretty please and thank you! -- Int21h (talk) 03:41, 31 May 2013 (UTC) Int21h (talk) 03:58, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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Proposed flags for an Independent Cayman Islands and Bermuda
Article(s): Flag of the Cayman Islands and Flag of Bermuda Request:
 * Create an SVG file of the proposed flag for an independent Cayman Islands found at the bottom of the page http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/ky.html and an SVG file of the pro-independence flag of Bermuda found at the bottom of the page http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/bm%7D.html 87.33.42.103 (talk)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅--Snaevar (talk) 13:41, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅--Snaevar (talk) 13:41, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I quickly fixed both of the flags. You had forgotten to add the white stripes, therefore being shown transparent. Additionaly I took the liberty to change source and author information to correctly reflect from were the image was taken and who originally designed it.
 * One further question: You added two different license tags to the images ( as well as ). If they are PD, why do you add an additional license? --Patrick87 (talk) 14:37, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Removed the cc-by-sa-3.0 license, the PD license suffices in those two cases.--Snaevar (talk) 15:58, 18 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Does anybody want to put these into the articles? I somehow doubt the IP editor will do it anytime soon... Maybe we should decline request for new graphics that are not yet included in any articles which are requested by IP editors?

Logo of Electronics Corporation of India Limited
Article(s): Electronics Corporation of India Limited Request:
 * Vectorise of image Svg will be on the pdf... --  Perumalism   Chat  11:21, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * The logo in the PDF is a raster, so can't rip it from there.  Nik Naks  talk - gallery 11:31, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I uploaded a PNG version with higher resolution. This could possibly be vectorized without much effort. Or we simply stick to the raster version until an official vector source gets available.
 * FYI I also changed the color from black to light blue (as on the homepage). If you don't like it, the color can be changed quickly. --Patrick87 (talk) 00:35, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

✅--Snaevar (talk) 16:16, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

DR Congo presidential seal
Article(s): DR Congo-related articles Request:: Please create the seal as seen in this photo. Thank you.  Fry1989  eh? 17:30, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Anybody? Simple text and shapes.  Fry1989  eh?   13:58, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s): ✅--Snaevar (talk) 19:09, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you.  Fry1989  eh?   15:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

ABS-CBN Corporation
Article(s):ABS-CBN, ABS-CBN Corporation, and others.

Request: Hi, I am really concerned about the vectorized logo of ABS-CBN Corporation. The logo has a light gray box which in my opinion is just a derivative or a variation of the original logo. Although it is true that the company uses that variation (with the light gray box) from time to time, it is also noteworthy that the company uses a variation without the light gray box (transparent or just a plain white). In short, I am requesting for the removal of the light gray box. Thank you. Hollyckuhno (talk) 10:14, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s): Look at the file history, first version was gray backgrounded, on 9apr2012 was made transparent, reverted again to gray on 1apr2013. Try to clarify this opinion difference with http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mediran and then you can revert it again to transparent, pls, avoid edit war :) -- Fulvio 314  16:46, 21 May 2013 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fulvio314 (talk • contribs)


 * Reply:I was actually the one who requested to removed the light gray background before. The gray background doesn't fit to the whole logo since it has no rationale or whatsoever. All of the element of the ABS-CBN logo has rationale. "The vertical line or bar represents a tower (broadcasting tower), with the circles symbolizing its signals representing the red, green and blue or RGB colors which makes up a pixel shown on the television. The 3 divisions of the Philippines, Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao, are also denoted by the three circles." Beside the light gray box isn't always in color gray, mostly it is white. If you live in the Philippines and watch their flagship network, you would see that they use the variation with the white background. When it comes to opening credit of their soap operas, you would see a different variation; mostly transparent background. In my opinion, the colored box is used to make the whole logo more visible. Hollyckuhno (talk) 00:23, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Looking at the web site, it looks like they don't use the gray box. 04:00, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Per Hollyckuhno. yes, the colored box is transparent in most opening credits of soap operas; however, it is mostly white if you will watch some of its flagships or station identification. At this site the box is white and here is mostly grey. I think what my revision should be reverted since most of the logos now are mostly transparent (e.g. Be Careful With My Heart opening sequence) Mediran ( t  •  c ) 08:07, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

✅ Thanks. Hollyckuhno (talk) 07:09, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Hayashi tracks & isochrones
Article(s): Hayashi track Request:
 * Since this is the main diagram for the Hayashi track article, I'd like it to look prettier. In particular, I'd like the evolution tracks to be in a different color than the isochrones, so that the reader has no chance of confusing the two.  The stellar masses (6.0, 5.0, etc) should be the same color as the evolutionary tracks, while the ages should be in the same color as the isochrones.  I don't see a need for the "1 x" in front of every age, so that should be removed.  Finally, it would be great if you could vectorize the image, although if that's too much work, changing the colors is definitely the first priority.   -- Bowlhover (talk) 09:57, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * There's a similar image at File:Hayashi track it.svg that only needed to be translated. It's not as precise as the requested image, though. However for Wikipedia (were everybody should be able to understand the content) it might be sufficient if not an even better choice? Tell me what you think... --Patrick87 (talk) 11:04, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the quick response! I've seen that image too, but it's highly inaccurate.  First, the Hayashi forbidden zone for each star is the region to the right of its own Hayashi track.  Stars heavier than 3 solar masses have no Hayashi track at all.  There is no such thing as a global forbidden zone, so as far as I can tell, the dotted line has no meaning.  Second, the graph implies that heavier stars evolve a longer distance on the HR diagram.  In actuality, the opposite is true, which you can see from the diagram I uploaded: the 10^5 and 10^8 year isochrones are far apart for 0.1 solar masses, but nearly touch for 6 solar masses.  In fact, stars heavier than 10 solar masses are born right on the main sequence!  (This is because these stars finish contracting while still enveloped in a thick dust cloud that blocks the star's light.  When the dust dissipates, the star is revealed, but by then it's already fusing hydrogen.)
 * As for whether my diagram is too crowded, I think that as a casual reader, you can make a better judgment than I can. If you think it is, feel free to take out the isochrones completely to show only the evolution tracks.  --Bowlhover (talk) 18:52, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry to disappoint you but I'm by no means a "casual reader". I'm a physicist (although Astrophysics is none of my core competencies) and therefore proper judgment isn't any easier for me, than it might be for you. However I'm always trying to put myself into the position of a layman and in this case I'm pretty sure we'll lose him already with the logarithmic labeled axes. Furthermore we have to assume the reader does not now what $$L_*$$, $$L_{\odot}$$ or $$T_\text{eff}$$ respectively stand for.
 * Under these considerations the SVG I proposed could be an appropriate alternative. However it should still be physically correct (and you seem to have doubts about that). So probably a compromise should be found and we either simplify the version you requested or we fix the version I linked so it doesn't contain any inaccuracies anymore. --Patrick87 (talk) 19:40, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I think the best option is to simplify the diagram I uploaded. I don't think the Commons graph is easily fixable, especially because I have no idea where the data came from.
 * I've tried to scrape the data and plot a new graph, but unfortunately it's not very simple--spline-fitting is necessary to make the plots look reasonable, and I'm going to be very busy in the near future. So how about this:
 * We want a new graph that shows only the evolutionary tracks and the main sequence (10^8 year isochrone). The axes should be labelled "Temperature (Kelvin)" and "Luminosity (solar luminosities)".  Instead of 3.6, 3.8, etc., the x-axis should be marked with 3980 (10^3.6), 6300 (10^3.8), etc, and likewise with the y-axis.  The main sequence should be in a different color than the evolutionary tracks.  --Bowlhover (talk) 22:10, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


 * I extracted vector data from the original publication and modified it a little bit (basically what you proposed initially). I think it's already an improvement and could be used in the article. However I'm not quite sure what could be done about the points I suggested. Just replacing axes labels won't work (since it doesn't get clear they're logarithmic). I already tried tracing the file to extract coordinate data but that's by far too time-consuming with the tools I tried. I also kept the axes labels. As a physicist I like them as they are, maybe it's better to just explain the meaning of the symbols in the image description. What do you think? Should we keep the image as it is now? --Patrick87 (talk) 16:33, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm a chemist (quite casual reader) and I like the current form of the diagram. May I give a little suggestion? You should explain the last gray traces. One appears as an extension of 10^8 yr and the other as a partially superimposed 10^5.-- Fulvio 314  03:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fulvio314 (talk • contribs)


 * I decided to change the axes labels to be more understandable for the layman . Of course the spacing is still logarithmic, but that's how a Hertzsprung-Russell diagram is usually presented.  I also removed the two gray lines, mostly because I have no idea what they are (they're not explained in the paper).
 * As an alternative, I removed the isochrones and kept only the tracks & the main sequence: . For some reason, the axis overlaps with the labels in the preview, which doesn't happen when you zoom in.
 * What do you think? Feel free to adjust anything you want.  --Bowlhover (talk) 22:29, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually I don't like both for the reasons given above. I don't think it's possible to get a satisfactory result without recreating the temperature axis from scratch. Regarding the two black curves: Without them the image looks as if something was missing (well, there is something missing) so it might be worth to look into the references of the publication. The image is referenced with another paper that maybe contains an explanation. --Patrick87 (talk) 23:07, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I just checked the reference: Actually the plot is taken from the textbook "The Formation of Stars" by Steven W. Stahler and Francesco Palla . There i found a completely reasonable explanation for the two black curves: The one on the top (near the 105 yr isochrone) is simply the $$t=0$$ isochrone. The one on the bottom (near the 108 yr isochrone) is the ZAMS. Therefore those two denote (as I already assumed) the start and the end of the evolutionary track and should definitely be kept in the graph. --Patrick87 (talk) 19:42, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I put my version into the articles a while ago. I still think this is the best option we have without having to somehow extract the data and recreate the plot from scratch. I'm closing this request as resolved for now, but feel free to leave additional comments. --Patrick87 (talk) 00:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

New Raith Rovers F.C. home shirt
Article(s): Raith Rovers F.C. Request:
 * The Raith Rovers F.C. home top has been changed to the one shown at http://www.raithrovers.net/files/2013/05/Web-OConells-frontage-home-strip-Square.jpg (Lbarnett-bl (talk) 23:25, 27 May 2013 (UTC))

Graphist opinion(s):
 * This is the third place the request has been posted in 1 hour. I have replied at Help desk and Editor assistance/Requests PrimeHunter (talk) 23:52, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Coat of arms of Watson family, Earls of Rockingham
Article(s): Marquess of Rockingham, Rockingham Castle, Watson baronets and Wentworth Woodhouse Request:
 * Please vectorize this coat of arms. -- P. S. Burton  (talk)  09:58, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ AnonMoos (talk) 23:53, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! P. S. Burton  (talk)  21:30, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Change Ge to a non-metal
Article(s): en:Flourine Request:
 * Key Ge as light green (nonmetal). (for purposes of F compounds, this makes more sense) --

Graphist opinion(s):
 * This is already the fourth request to change this image in graphics lab. Can you guys finally decide on what the final version should look like?
 * I'm just pinging User:R8R Gtrs of this, so he is aware of the change. Not that we receive a fifth request to undo it again... --Patrick87 (talk) 15:08, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No sweat, R8r and I are simpatico. I already told him (no reply).  We're not warring, are tweaking.  It is in a good cause.TCO (talk) 15:10, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, no problem. I didn't suspect any bad faith in your request. I only wondered how a graphics corrected three times already still can't be perfect (sorry, only joking). --Patrick87 (talk) 15:15, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I am good. Thanks for pinging. Before you started, I think we also need Uuo (No 118) recolored as gray (light gray, like its neighbors).--R8R Gtrs (talk) 16:24, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

✅ Ge and Uuo recolored. --Patrick87 (talk) 01:15, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks man. And no worries about teasing me. I deserve much worse. ;-) TCO (talk) 17:54, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

P.s. This place rawks. (TCO)

Ajna chakra
Article(s): fr:Ajna Chakra in french wikipedia Request:
 * Hello. I come to ask an improvement about one image. If the first file could have a better view. If you could put in the triangle the red om (the second file) like this example . I am french, I ask this work on french wikipedia but no answer; so I ask here. If you are more brave there is some work to do to improve the drawings of the chakras in wikipedia. Thank you. Have a nice day.--Zavatter (talk) 15:27, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * Hello. Sorry for the disturbance. After more one month of waiting, the job is just done in wikipedia in french. You can delete my request. Have a nice day.--Zavatter (talk) 07:19, 28 June 2013 (UTC)