Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Photography workshop/Archive/Apr 2012

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Daniel Tyler
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Article(s): Daniel Tyler Request: Handsome old photo of a Union general. Needs some patient TLC. Grab the hi-res version from the LOC. In it's restoration I ask for minimal crop and full cleanup only. Don't play with brightness, etc. Prefer to stay away from smoothing filters and cloning large swatches. I'm looking for a significant improvement of what's there, not a repainting of backgrounds, etc. Also, no "interim" edits or "studies"... if you take the job, do the whole job, then upload it (over the original). – JBarta (talk) 19:59, 8 March 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s): : Others are welcome to try also. nagualdesign (talk) 22:10, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * On second thought.... after looking at that high-res tiff close up (no, I didn't do it earlier) you probably should employ an automated scratch filter. I'll leave it up you to employ it judiciously and with restraint. – JBarta (talk) 22:24, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Needs must when the Devil drives, JB. As I've said before, I work under a self-imposed Hippocratic Oath when it comes to retouching, and this image will be no exception. I must say though, this is one of the most difficult images that I've ever worked on. It's taking a great deal of effort and every technique in my arsenal to deal with it. Thankfully the people who scanned the image saw fit to scan it at far higher resolution than the photograph itself, and in 16-bit too. When I've finished I might downsample it a little without loosing any information. What I'm most impressed with is the performance of my new laptop. It can handle hundreds of healing brush strokes per minute without even needing to power up the cooling fan! It's blowing my mind really, and making the £1000 price tag seem much more like money well spent. I'll finish it off tomorrow as my wrist is now killing me and I'd like to do the whole thing myself. This one's going in my portfolio. Hopefully when I upload it you'll agree. Night night. :-) nagualdesign (talk) 04:40, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Just wanted to say that this hasn't gone, I've just been busy and have been working on it in fits and spurts. It will get done though. Regards, nagualdesign (talk) 18:04, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

ka– JBarta (talk) 02:03, 28 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Added a separately uploaded restoration (i.e. a new file) of the LOC Tyler image to the above gallery which was created for my own purposes and not as a substitute for the efforts of anybody else. Centpacrr (talk) 13:26, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I have marked this as either "Resolved" or "Stale" as I am the only one who has done anything at all to it in the month it has been here so it should be archived. Centpacrr (talk) 19:08, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Zac Sunderland
Article(s): Zac Sunderland Request: Crop. 68.120.71.43 (talk) 09:05, 17 March 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s): This photograph appears on the Zac Sunderland article page along with a caption which clearly states that he is receiving an award. As this is the only picture of Zac, and probably one of the proud moments in his life, I see no reason to detract from his acheivement by cutting out the award simply to create a 'mug shot'. If you can find another photo of him which could be cropped for the infobox then both images could be retained, otherwise I'd say leave it as it is. nagualdesign (talk) 14:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Good call. Agreed. – JBarta (talk) 00:53, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Arnold Schwarzenegger
Article(s): Arnold Schwarzenegger Request: Crop. 68.120.71.43 (talk) 09:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s): This photograph is rather low-resolution and, if tightly cropped, would be very small. Whilst this isn't usually a problem there are plenty of other images of Arnold Schwarzenegger on Wikipedia and I see no need to add to them with a lesser quality image. The moiré pattern on his jacket is the final nail in the coffin in my opinion. nagualdesign (talk) 14:05, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

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Marcus Pollard
Article(s): Marcus Pollard Request: Crop. 68.120.71.43 (talk) 09:04, 17 March 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s): By a process of elimination and scrolling right to the bottom of the page I can see that Zac Sunderland must be the man standing next to Arnold Schwarzenegger, however this group photo contains 6 different men, any of which could be Marcus Pollard or Laurence Sunderland (or Frank Macmanus, Gerard Douglas, Pete Gigglesworth, Toby Wanamaker, Zebadiah O'Brien or any other man's name you care to invent). Put yourself in our shoes for a second. Who the f*** is Marcus Pollard, right? If you want help you'd better learn to use more than one word, otherwise your requests may simply be deleted. Regards, nagualdesign (talk) 13:47, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Requests won't be deleted unless there is genuine cause for deletion... however, cryptic/lazy requests may of course end up being ignored. – JBarta (talk) 00:50, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

✅: Done as requested. Compare with Marcus Pollard. PawełMM (talk) 10:58, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Laurence Sunderland
Article(s): Laurence Sunderland Request: Crop. 68.120.71.43 (talk) 09:04, 17 March 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s): Who? nagualdesign (talk) 14:17, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

✅: Done as requested. Compare with Laurence Sunderland. PawełMM (talk) 11:27, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

World Economic Forum 1975 images
Article(s): Jean Rey (politician), Olivier Giscard d'Estaing Request: These appear to be scans from printed material, can anything be done to reduce the dotted effect resulting from this? January ( talk ) 10:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s): ✅: Result is poor because of bad source files (big dots). PawełMM (talk) 12:20, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * This should be re-done using an FFT filter to remove the halftone patterns. I tried to do it myself but I'm rubbish at it. nagualdesign (talk) 13:15, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've tried both images, and it the result wasn't much better (saved 1st one just to show) - very unfortunate frequency and intensity of the pattern. FFT produced a bit sharper images but couldn't remove all noise, and the image quality is such that I can't selectively filter some image part after FFT. Materialscientist (talk) 05:15, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Xerox scans
Article(s): Maurice A. Preston, William V. McBride, Louis T. Seith Request: Remove noise. Thanks. – Connormah (talk) 23:23, 22 March 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):


 * I've done FFT-assisted noise reduction. Some defects/moire might still be there, I just haven't got energy to do more (got some flu). Materialscientist (talk) 05:50, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I uploaded new versions of these images. I simply blurred them slightly. IMO this simple approach resulted in a better and more consistant looking image all the way around. – JBarta (talk) 19:54, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I wish you blurred my versions (I applied only mild blurring) or talked to me about what could be done better. I noticed now in high magnification that while removing moire and defects (that you haven't done) I introduced some unnatural pattern - a lesson for me. Admittedly, I work fast, often on crippled PCs, and often make obvious errors, but your habit of silent overwriting work by others only shows your rudeness. Adieus. Materialscientist (talk) 04:58, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Relax chief. Silent overwriting? Seems to me my comment above wasn't exactly silent. Rude? Depends on who you ask I suppose. Anyhow, nothing had been done to them for a while, and quite honestly I didn't think they were all that great and didn't think starting from your versions would yield a decent result. That said, if you feel you can upload a better version, you're always welcome to. I might be "rude", but I'm fair and reasonable and always happy to see a better job. – JBarta (talk) 07:30, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Take yours and mine versions side by side. In a 200px thumb yours are worse because you haven't removed the moire pattern. In full width (some 1500px) yours are better because I haven't applied high-frequency filter and blundered with some local blurring (this can be repatched from nearby areas or from your version). In about 600px thumb, yours are much worse because beside moire, they contain various stripes, blotches on suits and foreheads. You probably understand that for every image of these you were overwriting a work of half an hour with a one-minute patch. Materialscientist (talk) 07:41, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually I did a couple of them two ways, one with FFT and one without. To my eye there was almost no difference. Others may achieve better results of course. And yes, the images can always be touched up further. Plus, on at least one (the fourth I think) it looks as if you had treated the subject and the background differently with what looked like a rather sloppy cutout job. Now you may think crying about working fast or on crippled PC's (whatever that is) is some sort of special exception for you, but it's not. It's irrelevant. As far as time spent I would suggest if the time were really that well spent, I probably wouldn't have dived in with my effort. All that said, this is easily remedied. If you really feel yours is better, then revert back to yours. I'll disagree, but I'll let it go. At the very least I would suggest your responsibility would be to work at a reasonable pace on a decent PC and do a better job and the whole job. And if that makes me rude, then so be it. – JBarta (talk) 08:19, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, there was some sloppiness in No4 on my side, which I didn't notice (won't complain why). In such cases (very high-frequency noise), in practice, a simple frequency filter is as efficient as FFT - the difference in final sharpness is hard to notice. I've tweaked my versions and merged with yours, except for No3, where our versions were too close to merge (except for blotches/stripes). Materialscientist (talk) 10:12, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Cleanup
Article(s): Norman B. James Request: Remove stain/impression. Thanks. – Connormah (talk) 05:24, 29 March 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

✅: Done as requested. PawełMM (talk) 07:33, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Some additional cleanup done. Centpacrr (talk) 09:51, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

George Tupou I
Article(s): George Tupou I Request: Turn black and white. KAVEBEAR (talk) 10:52, 31 March 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s): ✅: -- Jenith  (talk) 13:04, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Removing labels from horse larynx image
Article(s): Victor Negus Request: Is it possible to remove the labels from the horse larynx image? I only want to use it for illustrative purposes, and the image labels are not really needed in that article, unlike the other articles the image is used in. I've looked for the original, but am not sure if that was uploaded or not. For the pig larynx image, would anyone here be able to say whether the image is orientated correctly in terms of lighting and so on? I think it has been rotated with down at right, but am not sure. I may want to use it rotated 90 degrees clockwise - if so, should that be uploaded as a separate image and can it be done here? Carcharoth (talk) 04:49, 3 April 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

All set. – JBarta (talk) 05:10, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * That was quick. Thanks! :-) Carcharoth (talk) 05:35, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, I've just realised why the pig image was that way round. I think anatomically it should be presented with the laryngeal folds at bottom. Would it be possible to crop closer in on the larynx (the tube opening at upper centre), and rotate that crop 90 degrees counter-clockwise? Not fussed about the proportions of the crop, but would be nice if the proportions matched that of the horse larynx image, so the images could sit side-by-side in the same proportions. If cropping in a different proportion is needed (i.e. standard ratio or to ensure good composition) that's no problem. Carcharoth (talk) 05:43, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Is that a little better? – JBarta (talk) 06:02, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * It's almost there. Is it possible to keep the same proportions while cropping in slightly on either side, leaving the bottom edge as it is, and cropping inwards from the top edge to lose the corner of the table (or fill in the background as solid white or solid black) to avoid it looking like it was taken sideways). If that doesn't work, it may be best to leave it there. Also, I'm heading off now, so won't be replying until tomorrow or later in the week. But many thanks again for doing this! Carcharoth (talk) 06:49, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Cropped further. – JBarta (talk) 07:47, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * That is wonderful. Many thanks for that. Carcharoth (talk) 00:01, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Lambing Flat
Article(s): Lambing Flat Request: fix perspective... Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:54, 3 April 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):


 * Comment - looks like someone already did this: File:LambingFlatRollUpBanner reworked.jpg.--ukexpat (talk) 16:36, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 16:41, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Bloody Bill
Article(s): William T. Anderson Request: Could someone try to clean up the debris on the image? It looks fairly messy to me. Also, it might be nice to crop the left side a bit, since the picture is a little crooked. Thanks a lot, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:33, 5 April 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

✅ Grabbed the better version from source and cleaned that up a bit. – JBarta (talk) 07:40, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Höcker Album
Article(s): Richard Baer (Nazi) Request: make new image, trim to photo, name new File:‬Richard Baer and Karl Höcker.png... Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 02:24, 5 April 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

✅ – JBarta (talk) 08:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 16:47, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Casino
Article(s): Fyodor Dostoyevsky Request: Crop, rotate GoP T C N  10:47, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * How I want it: Do not crop the title and the image description; remove the background on the left side; then crop the right side like on the left side; crop out the bottom with "1849 Illustr." Thanks.-- GoP T C N 12:13, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Why nobody is doing that? -- GoP T C N 11:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ – JBarta (talk) 13:05, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! And so fast! :)-- GoP T C N 13:06, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

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Wikipedia image of car, it's numberplate was altered to promote a UK Car Club event in 2007.
Article(s): Fiat 850 Request: The car's number plate was clearly altered before uploading in 2007 to promote a still running car club event called the 3MA which takes place in the UK, Link to the 3MA event page http://www.131mirafiori.com/3ma.htm Please remove the 3 from before the :MA. The MA is original, but the 3 in the geographical designator box (german plates) is clearly a fake, as you can see it's just copied from the other side of the plate and crudely pasted on. I would think wiping the whole plate to the background white on the plate would be the best solution. The image at present is the subject of a running joke behind closed doors on Fiat forums in the UK and Ireland and the guys that put it there have had many's the laugh at this vandalized image. Thank you for reading this, and all help resolving this issue is appreciated.

EDIT. I see the work done on the plate and it's beautifully done. Thank you for this work Jbarta. 109.78.98.14 (talk) 21:26, 8 April 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

✅ – JBarta (talk) 15:37, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Remove watermark
Article(s): Epeus, Rhynchostylis retusa Request: Please remove watermark Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):✅ Centpacrr (talk) 03:32, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thanks Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:36, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Demons
Article(s): Fyodor Dostoyevsky Request: Crop out the white space; try to adjust the contrast. GoP T C N 15:57, 5 April 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

I found a slightly larger version and did what I could to clean it up a little without getting too carried away. I also looked around for high resolution scans of this manuscript (even searched in Russian) but found nothing. – JBarta (talk) 22:09, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

✅: Cleaned. PawełMM (talk) 09:07, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Malé skyline, tilted
Article(s): Malé Request: Can this be tilt corrected? &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 05:38, 8 April 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

✅ – JBarta (talk) 08:37, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Why thank you sir =) &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 06:17, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Remove other countries' limits
Article(s): Empire of Brazil Request: Please remove all other countries' (except Brazil's) territorial limits, that is, leaving the grey area completely grey. Thank you, Lecen (talk) 20:14, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):

✅ – JBarta (talk) 20:52, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * If it's not asking too much, could you do the exact same thing with this map and this other map? --Lecen (talk) 20:55, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem. The borderless versions are linked from the image description pages of the originals. – JBarta (talk) 21:37, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Sarah Millican
Article(s): Sarah Millican Request: Could a separate crop be made, which is a little more zoomed in on her head and shoulders, for use in an infobox? - JuneGloom  <font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk  22:40, 14 April 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):


 * Thank you! - <font color="Purple" face="Arial">JuneGloom  <font color="Green" face="Times New Roman">Talk  18:34, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Crop
Article(s): Robert Caro Request: Please crop the border. Squandermania (talk) 12:56, 14 April 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

✅ Cropped the border, then cropped to a more standard infobox size. – JBarta (talk) 17:20, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Albert Kunuiakea lying in state
Article(s): Albert Kunuiakea Request: Can someone do a lossless crop on this illustration/photograph and clean it up a little... KAVEBEAR (talk) 08:02, 15 April 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

✅ The Image was dark, But most of the details are visible.. Itzuvit (talk) 01:16, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Could you leave Davey's name imprint on?--KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ :) Itzuvit (talk) 06:26, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Emily & Jordy
Article(s): Jordy Lucas, Emily Symons Request: Please can two separate crops be made from these two files - a upperbody/headshot type crop - they are watermarked too, so if that can be solved? Rain  the 1  20:26, 20 April 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

✅: – JBarta (talk) 17:33, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Oval crop
Article(s): Granville Roland Fortescue Request: Oval crop... KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:52, 25 April 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s): ✅ -- Jenith  (talk) 05:38, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Madeleine West
Article(s): Madeleine West Request: I was wondering if a new file could be created from this. It is a bad crop and it was donated like this. Maybe someone one could remove the people and put her onto a new dark background. She is really far over to the left, so she could be centered, and using her right shoulder that could be used as a new left shoulder with a few tweaks to make it look convincing - then she would appear centered. Rain  the 1  07:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that. Rain  the 1  15:08, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):✅ Centpacrr (talk) 08:42, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Bao Long
Article(s): Bao Long Request: Tilt and crop to the frame... KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:06, 25 April 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):✅

James M. Comly
Article(s): James M. Comly Request: Remove watermark and crop... KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):✅ Zzubnik (talk) 08:30, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Tichborne case
Article(s): Tichborne case Request: General clean up, if possible. This is the lead image of the article, about a missing English baronet (left image), the Australian butcher who claimed he was the missing man (right image), and various attempts to prove or disprove that they were one and the same. The middle image is a blend of the two made in the 1870s. The article is going to WP:FAC soon and the main author asked in the peer review if the moiré pattern can hopefully be cleaned up see here. Thanks in advance for any assistance, Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 04:03, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I did not see a moiré pattern either, but, who is in hospital at the moment, did. Since he is off-wiki but hopes to be back shortly, can we just wait for his clarification? Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 11:41, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, Brian is still not on wiki, but since the image has been cleaned up and no one else sees a moire' pattern, I think this is done. Ruhrfisch <sub style="color:green;">&gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 13:20, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):I'm a little unclear about what you want done to this. I don't actually see a moiré pattern in the image, just a grid overlay which appears to be there to show how various facial features match in all three images and thus is an integral and necessary part of the image. Is that what is being referred to? If so, I don't really see that anything needs to be done to the image. Centpacrr (talk) 06:25, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Possibly he's talking about jpg artifacts. At any rate, I touched up a few spots and dirty edges. – JBarta (talk) 12:19, 25 April 2012 (UTC)