Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Photography workshop/Archive/Dec 2012

=Stale=

Picture is too dark
Article(s): Princess Maria Amélia of Brazil Request: Well, this was the original file stored at Commons. I found a larger and with better quality and upload it over the old one. The problem is that the new file looks too dark. Could something be done about it? Thank you, Lecen (talk) 20:22, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S.: She was described as having blue eyes and blonde hair by contemporaries, although I believe she probably had a light brown hair. Regardless, it is revealing of how dark the picture is. --Lecen (talk) 20:26, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, Centpacrr! --Lecen (talk) 20:46, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s): ✅ Centpacrr (talk) 20:41, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

South Sea Islands
Article(s): George Tupou II Request: Please use the links I have provided for these higher resolution version and crop, turn black and white, clean and denoise with the same quality and care for all three that was originally done to the last two by User:Quibik. KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:32, 10 December 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

=Resolved=

Armenian weightlifters
Please remove the watermark on the right hand corner and improve the image. -- Ե րևանցի ասելիք կա՞  21:25, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

✅ Centpacrr (talk) 02:29, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Possibly couldn't been any better. I really appreciate your work! -- Ե րևանցի ասելիք կա՞  04:37, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * You're welcome, my pleasure. Centpacrr (talk) 22:53, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Simple cropping
'''Article(s): Neverita and Neverita duplicata Request: Could you please just crop this down (and rotate it a little) so that we see only the model and some blue background? Thanks. Graphist opinion(s):

✅ – JBarta (talk) 22:41, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Great! Thank you very much, that's perfect! Invertzoo (talk) 23:35, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Oval crop
Article(s): various Request: Oval crop. KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:33, 27 November 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):KAVEBEAR this is not difficult to do and you really need to start learning how to do this kind of thing yourself instead to loading up this page with hundreds of similar requests. There are plenty of free or very inexpensive applications that do this kind of thing. This project is really for single complicated more specialized projects, not bulk cropping, etc. Centpacrr (talk) 19:33, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I am sorry if you think like that. I am in college currently right now and I don't own my own computer. All my uploads and edits are done in my college's library. You can't download any applications on a school computer without permission code and nothing is saved when you logged out. The only thing I can do on this computer is download images and simple crop (I can't even straighten the images I scan because there is tool for straighten). At this point I am completely reliant on other editors to edit most of the images I upload. This is a request not a demand. I don't demand people to clean up or do simple things for these images, if you don't want to do anything with them just don't; it will eventually just go stale and be archived. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 16:49, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, thanks Jbarta for doing some of them.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 16:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * It is not necessary to download and/or install image editing software on any computer you are using (even those which are not yours) to do what you want to do to these images as there are many free on-line editors which you can access to crop, straighten, sharpen, adjust gamma, contrast, color, etc, and many other similar operations. Centpacrr (talk) 19:42, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

✅ – JBarta (talk) 17:22, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Translucid background
Article(s): Manuel Marques de Sousa, Count of Porto Alegre Request: Please, I need a new version of this file in png format and with translucid background. Thank you, Lecen (talk) 14:49, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * No one? --Lecen (talk) 01:14, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ow, but that's what I needed. I owe you another one, Jbarta! Thanks a lot! --Lecen (talk) 01:53, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Seriously now, for where it's being used, is a transparent background vs white background so friggin important that you are willing to place a blurry and crappy thumbnail into the article? Even if someone's WP page background is off-white, a good image with a white background is better than a blurry image with a transparent background. Help me to understand here. – JBarta (talk) 02:40, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):

✅ - That Wiki PNG rendering is just awful... awful I tell you. It's so sucky I almost wish I hadn't done it. – JBarta (talk) 01:40, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I have the same problem! I usually run a convolve or sharpen tool over the image, then tends to help a bit. — Jdcollins13 (talk) 17:01, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * EVERYONE has the same problem. It's a problem with the wiki software. When it resizes a PNG file it becomes blurry. JPG files resize fine. Unless and until the Wikimedia project does something about it on their end, PNG files are poor file type for many uses on WP. The PNG filetype cetainly can be useful in some circumstances, but not what Lecen seems to like using them for as in the example above. – JBarta (talk) 21:38, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Mitchell Englander
Article(s): Mitchell Englander Request: Please remove the face of the guy at the top-left. I guess suppose it might make sense to remove his hand as well, which is on the subject's left shoulder, but I don't think that's essential. Thanks! Delaywaves &bull;&#32; talk  01:48, 1 December 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

✅ – JBarta (talk) 02:33, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Simple crop
Article(s): Monetaria, Monetaria moneta Request: Could you please crop the image so that you get rid of a lot of the background? The fuzzy-looking oval thing in the middle is the subject of the picture, but since the image quality is not great, you can also include some of the yellow patches if you like. Thanks ! Invertzoo (talk) 21:38, 3 December 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

✅ - Also cropped and rotated the other images in the set so they match. – JBarta (talk) 02:33, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Wow, that is really great, thanks so much for doing all of them! Invertzoo (talk) 15:30, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

SchwartzbergEscortingDPFootballTeamToMatch
Hi folks, I've just OTRS-approved this image (intended for use on Hirsch Schwartzberg) and thought it could do with a little TLC. You might prefer to work from the original, uncropped, upload. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:21, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Rotated & grayscaled it. Not sure what else you had in mind. – JBarta (talk) 17:20, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Cleaned up multiple remaining scratches and other issues; agma; crp, Centpacrr (talk) 20:16, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Many thanks, both. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:05, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

John C. Breckinridge
Article(s): John C. Breckinridge Request: Remove watermarks. Although it doesn't give the date of the portrait, the information here says it is by Eliphalet Frazer Andrews, who died in 1915. Breckinridge himself died in 1875. Either way, I can't imagine this wasn't published prior to 1923. Although we have several images of Breckinridge at Commons (some pending deletion), this is one of only a few that show him in his military regalia, and it's in color, which is a bonus. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 17:52, 5 December 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

Some are pending deletion because of you. Why would you push for the deletion of images that are clearly in the public domain due to age? – JBarta (talk) 11:25, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Having been raked over the coals over image copyright a couple of times, I usually try to use images that I can definitively give at least a publication date if not an author with vital dates for. It takes too freaking long to get enough reviews at FAC to have one go awry because you can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that an image was published before 1923. I've been told multiple times that it doesn't matter when the image was created, it matters only when it was published. So, yes, any photo of Breckinridge during his life would, of a necessity, have been created prior to 1923, but if it was a private family photo that sat in someone's attic until his grandkids handed it over to some historical society in the 1950s, my understanding is that it is still copyrighted. I also understand that most of the copyright zealots on Wikipedia put the burden of proof on the nominator to prove that didn't happen, rather than making the assumption that it's highly unlikely. The only time I assume publication during the author's life is for portraitists (like this one), since I can't imagine painting a portrait – something almost always intended for public viewing – and intentionally then keeping it from the public. The images I tagged either have no source information at all, or the only source information provided was a naked link to www.generalsandbrevets.com, which is now defunct. There is no indication of author, creation date, publication date, original source... nothing. No way a reviewer lets something like that through at FAC. If we can't use it in our best quality articles, why have it lying around? Acdixon (talk · contribs) 15:13, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting you have distain for copyright zealots, yet have become one yourself. If you had your way, thousands of perfectly good photos could be brought into question wasting a whole lot of other people's time. Personally I get a little sick and tired of spending time to improve the images around here only to have some nitwit nominate the image for deletion for some spurious reason. – JBarta (talk) 19:51, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I have not become a copyright zealot. I'm trying to defend the uninitiated against them. I used to assume that whatever was on Commons was OK to use. Then I had a couple of FACs crash and burn for image copyright reasons, learning the hard way that this was not the case. I'm seeking to have them deleted not because I don't think they are PD, but because I don't want someone else to use them under the assumption that they are, only to be bullied into removing them later, leaving a bad taste in their mouths. I did, in fact, try to locate author and publication date information for all of these before nominating them for deletion. I frequently contact libraries and historical societies to get that information. Most of the time, they either ignore me or refuse to give it to me because they are so protective of images they physically hold and want to restrict access to them so they can control the circumstances in which they are used. You'll notice that, in addition to nominating four images for deletion, I uploaded an additional 14 images of Breckinridge, 2 of his wife, and one sketch of him and some other folks to Commons, complete with verifiable PD licenses, and changed the license on an already-uploaded one from an incorrect Euro PD tag to a more appropriate US PD tag so someone else wouldn't delete it. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 20:25, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

✅ (Acdixon will need to fill in the descriptive information on the image's host page.) Centpacrr (talk) 00:28, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Cybele
Article(s): Cybele Request: Please clean this up. There seems to some color interference, noise or what not. Still not sure about this lingos. KAVEBEAR (talk) 18:08, 10 December 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

The issues with this image are from being saved as a highly compressed JPG... quite possibly by whoever scanned it. The "interference" are jpg artifacts. Personally I don't know why the JPG algorithm allows saving at this high compression because it's so destructive to the image. At this level it turns any image into junk. If you can get a more decent scan, that would be useful. Other than that, potential for improvement is limited. – JBarta (talk) 23:59, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. No idea where the original uploader got it. Only found a bad image in need of repair while reading an article for an essay I was writing for school.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 15:49, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Watermark
Article(s): Death of Cook, Third voyage of James Cook Request: Please remove watermark on right, with the words Te Papa and a Polynesian tiki figure. KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:30, 12 December 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

✅ – JBarta (talk) 00:38, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? I still see it after multiple refreshing and changing of size. It is on the right next to the canoe on the shore.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 18:44, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. You may need to clear your cache. - Kingpin13 (talk) 20:16, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Odd. I checked it using a browser with a cleared cache and still got the old version. – JBarta (talk) 20:28, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Have a look at this. In my browsers, the 800px version has the watermark and the 799px version does not. Clearing browser caches seems to have no effect. – JBarta (talk) 20:39, 13 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sure. The old version is caught in the wiki-cache. An annoying issue with the wiki-software. Note the file size difference (245KB vs 94KB). Also, take a look at this. – JBarta (talk) 20:20, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Clean up
Article(s): Juan Manuel de Rosas Request: Please, would it be possible to do some clean up on this picture? Lecen (talk) 17:44, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks great! Thanks! --Lecen (talk) 17:30, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):

Cleaned up a little and sharpened. Not sure what else you were looking for. – JBarta (talk) 16:13, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Zahlé panoramic shot with a watermark
Article(s): Zahlé Request: Please remove the large white signature watermark. Hazhk Talk to me 20:00, 16 December 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):✅ Centpacrr (talk) 20:38, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Remove red background
Article(s): Juan Manuel de Rosas Request: Please replace the red background with a white one. Lecen (talk) 03:45, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. I'm really grateful for your help. Thanks a lot! --Lecen (talk) 19:11, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):✅ (Also a KEEP comment added to the image's deletion nomination page.) Centpacrr (talk) 05:13, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much, Centpacrr. It looks great! I wonder if you could keep the original size of the picture? --Lecen (talk) 11:33, 19 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Oooops, my bad. I had inadvertently fixed the preview size version of the image. I have now redone and posted the fix on the full size image. Centpacrr (talk) 16:46, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

File:Montefiore Hospital, Hove (December 2012) - General View.jpg
Article(s): Montefiore Hospital, Hove Request: Please could I ask for the streetlamp to be removed from the top left corner. Many thanks, Hassocks  5489 (Floreat Hova!)  12:46, 22 December 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

✅ – JBarta (talk) 14:17, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Many thanks – that looks great!  Hassocks  5489 (Floreat Hova!)  14:19, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Patrick Moore image
Article(s): Patrick Moore Request: Please lighten the image and perhaps adjust the colours to stop it looking dark and gloomy. Hazhk Talk to me 20:29, 9 December 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):✅ Adjusted gamma, cropped, removed flash reflections; closed space between Lintott & Moore. Centpacrr (talk) 21:30, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Liliuokalani outside Washington Place with Captain Nowlein
Article(s): Lanai (architecture) Request: Clean first and crop to border. Crop full body photograph of Samuel Nowlein and upload to second file. KAVEBEAR (talk) 01:25, 16 December 2012 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):

Translucid background
Article(s): Venancio Flores and Joaquim José Inácio, Viscount of Inhaúma Request: First, clean the entire background in all pictures by making it all white (including the black line around Inhaúma's portrait). After that, upload newer versions of the two pictures to the left (Photo of Flores and the picture of Inhaúma) with translucid background in png file. I'm grateful for anyone willing to help me out with these. --Lecen (talk) 20:59, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very, very much! I really appreciated that! --Lecen (talk) 14:48, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s): ✅ - All have been done, find pngs of them all below: Kind regards, Fallschirmjäger &#9993; 14:17, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
 * File:Venancio Flores circa 1865.png
 * File:Viscount of Inhauma 1869.png
 * File:Venancio flores.png
 * File:Venancio Flores-(1).png

File:Barack Obama with artistic gymnastic McKayla Maroney.jpg
Pl. crop Savannah Vinsant from File:Barack Obama with artistic gymnastic McKayla Maroney.jpg and make it a new file. Thank you. --77.4.68.194 (talk) 04:27, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

✅ - By a combination of Jbarta and I. Kind regards, Fallschirmjäger</b></i> <b style="color:#3CB371">&#9993;</b> 14:43, 27 December 2012 (UTC) ✅ Removed partial figure in left side background; agma; crp. Centpacrr (talk) 01:41, 29 December 2012 (UTC)