Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Photography workshop/Archive/Jul 2014

Order of Ramkeerati
Article(s): Order of Ramkeerati Request:
 * png version please, transparent background, remove excess white space... -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:31, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ at File:Order of Ramkeerati Thailand (transparent).png. ///Euro Car  GT  18:27, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:48, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

My_Secret_Identity
Article(s): My_Secret_Identity Request:
 * remove unnecessary framing... -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:59, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ ( Hohum  @ ) 13:14, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:54, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Georgian lari
Article(s): Georgian lari Request:
 * Please make this PNG with transparent background. Jaqeli 16:02, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ -- ///Euro Car GT  18:11, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks GT. Jaqeli 18:41, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Janet Fraiser
Article(s): Janet Fraiser Request:
 * remove border... -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 23:09, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ -- ///Euro Car GT  04:48, 6 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:56, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Etchmiadzin Cathedral
Article(s): Etchmiadzin Cathedral Request:
 * (If possible) Please remove the trees. I've circled the 3 trees I'd like to be removed here. And please upload it as a new file. -- Ե րևանցի  talk  01:25, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ at File:Etchmiadzin Cathedral 1901 Lynch (edit).png. ///Euro Car  GT  04:38, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Fantastic job! Thanks a lot. Just one more thing, could you please crop it so that the cathedral would dominate the picture? -- Ե րևանցի  talk  04:52, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure! ///Euro Car  GT  04:55, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ ///Euro Car  GT  05:00, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. -- Ե րևանցի talk  05:03, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Letters
Article(s): Georgian scripts Request:
 * Please make this PNG with transparent background and give those Latin transliteration letters this blue colour {{legend|#0000ff|}} Jaqeli 03:44, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ ( Hohum  @ ) 18:40, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks Hohum. Jaqeli 18:45, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Alexander Salmon
Article(s): Alexander Salmon Request:
 * Can someone recreate the missing bits in this oval portrait on all four sides and create an image with a full oval like this? Please don't attempt if you're unsure. The tricky part is recreating the area with the suit and making the background look right. Thanks. -- KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:33, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):

Thanks.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:55, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Nana
Article(s): Nana of Iberia Request:
 * Please crop out Queen Nana (at the right) from this image and upload it as seperate file. Jaqeli 16:23, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

File:Jason Argonauts miniseries NBC promo ad.jpg
Article(s): Jason and the Argonauts (TV miniseries) Request:
 * The white-font text is obstructing this image. -- George Ho (talk) 18:08, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ MjolnirPants   Tell me all about it.  21:29, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

File:The New Adventures of Chor Lau-heung (1984 TV series).jpg
Article(s): The New Adventures of Chor Lau-heung (1984 TV series) Request:
 * The lower-right corner has the "YesAsia" logo. -- George Ho (talk) 21:49, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ - Fallschirmjäger &#9993; 19:00, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

File:Chor Lau-heung (1979 TV series).jpg
Article(s): Chor Lau-heung (1979 TV series) Request:
 * Also has "YesAsia" logo. -- George Ho (talk) 22:22, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ - Found a better quality version and uploaded over. Fallschirmjäger</b></i> <b style="color:#3CB371">&#9993;</b> 20:21, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I reverted back to legitimate VCD cover. No DVD covers please; they're all fake and made in PRC. --George Ho (talk) 21:18, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I have reworked from the original VCD, hopefully it is more what you were after now. <i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><b style="color:#4D5D53">Fallschirm</b><b style="color:#2E8B57">jäger</b><b style="color:#701"></b></i> <b style="color:#3CB371">&#9993;</b> 19:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

File:Deadly secret liancheng jue 1985 edition.jpg
Article(s): A Deadly Secret Request:
 * Has watermark at upper-left corner. -- George Ho (talk) 01:18, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ MjolnirPants   Tell me all about it.  21:50, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Image extract
Article(s): National Register of Historic Places listings in Mercer County, Illinois Request:
 * Please losslessly extract an image of the Commercial House and upload separately; this is the building highlighted by the image note at Commons. Nyttend (talk) 14:12, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):✅ Centpacrr (talk) 16:02, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Mickey's Fun Wheel
Article: Mickey's Fun Wheel Request: Please crop... ...left side, so that the wheel is dead centre (left/right) ...top, so that the space above the rim of wheel is the same as the space to the left and right of the rim of wheel ...bottom, so that about half the space below the rim of the wheel is removed Thanks. 86.153.57.241 (talk) 10:13, 31 July 2014 (UTC) Graphist opinion(s):✅ Cropped as requested. Centpacrr (talk) 13:18, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Many thanks! 86.153.57.241 (talk) 18:35, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Please do not overwrite existing images when cropping a file significantly. Reupload under a different name. --Srittau (talk) 20:19, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ -- MagentaGreen (talk) 11:19, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
 * @MagentaGreen Thank you. Jaqeli 12:34, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
 * @MagentaGreen Thank you. Jaqeli 12:34, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Ira B. Dutton, 1877
Article(s): Joseph Dutton Request:
 * Please help restore, clean up and change to black and white. The contrast is kind of a bit odd now. This version maybe closer to the real thing. Upload over original. Thanks. -- KAVEBEAR (talk) 20:54, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ ( Hohum  @ ) 12:34, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Also ✅. I slightly edited exposure and contrast. Regards, MagentaGreen (talk) 07:02, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Vivaldi
Article(s): Vivaldi Request:
 * fix skew so flat as originally printed... -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:24, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ -- ///Euro Car GT  04:00, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 22:09, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Euphues
Article(s): Euphues Request:
 * Lighten background for contrast... -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:37, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ ( Hohum  @ ) 13:02, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 22:10, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Provence
Article(s): Provence Request:
 * straighten and deepen central image... -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:48, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ -- ///Euro Car GT  03:54, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the straightening, is there anyway the cloudy image can be drawn out?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 22:12, 13 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Also ✅ -- I slightly raised exposure and contrast. Please revert if not satisfied. Regards, MagentaGreen (talk) 15:06, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, that's what I had in mind!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Alastair Sim: three 1950s film studio press photographs
Article(s): Alastair Sim and Alastair Sim on stage and screen Request:
 * Would it be possible, please, for you to remove the sellers' watermarks ("The Baltimore Sun" in the first two and "Jay Parrino's The Mint" in the third) and also the newspaper mark-ups on the first two?  Tim riley  talk    09:37, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ -- MagentaGreen (talk) 08:00, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- MagentaGreen (talk) 08:00, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


 * That's absolutely what I was hoping for. Thank you so much. It will make not one but two articles much better.  Tim riley  talk    09:09, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Joseph Poindexter
Article(s): Joseph Poindexter, List of Governors of Hawaii Request:
 * Make an appropriate derivative crop of Joseph Poindexter which can be used for his article and the list of governors article. -- KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:54, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ -- MagentaGreen (talk) 09:11, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Didn't know this was already done...This wasn't what I actually meant. The keywords were "derivative crop." But I found a better bio image already, so cropping a separate derivative image of Poindexter is unnecessary.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:09, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Didn't know this was already done...This wasn't what I actually meant. The keywords were "derivative crop." But I found a better bio image already, so cropping a separate derivative image of Poindexter is unnecessary.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:09, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Arshag Chobanian
Article(s): Arshag Chobanian Request:
 * Please crop out the caption and gently improve the overall quality of the image. -- Ե րևանցի  talk  00:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * Rectangular or oval crop? ///Euro Car  GT  01:32, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Preferably, rectangular. -- Ե րևանցի talk  01:36, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ ///Euro Car  GT  01:40, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -- Ե րևանցի talk  01:49, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

George Formby
Article(s): George Formby (being overhauled in my userspace at the moment: the two images are facing in slightly different directions and look odd as a result). Request:
 * Is there a way of "straightening" the image so it doesn't look like it's being viewed from an angle? Many thanks for anything you can do! -- SchroCat (talk) 13:26, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):Perspective adjusted as requested. Centpacrr (talk) 14:53, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Perfect! Centpacrr, you are an absolute star – many, many thanks! Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 15:00, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I have adjusted the perspective of the house picture as well. Feel free to revert if you prefer the original version. Centpacrr (talk) 15:15, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That's much better: your efforts are hugely appreciated! Many thanks - SchroCat (talk) 15:20, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Uniroyal Giant Tire

 * Many thanks, much appreciated.

Articles: Uniroyal Giant Tire + Allen Park, Michigan + List of world's largest roadside attractions Request:
 * Please crop (left side, to 800x800?), to centre the wheel and remove the lamp post and 'empty' space. Thanks! -- 86.153.57.241 (talk) 15:52, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):✅ Centpacrr (talk) 17:19, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Keōpūolani
Article(s): Keōpūolani Request:
 * Crop away frame and minimize to comply with the standard of fair use image. -- KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:19, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ - <i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><b style="color:#4D5D53">Fallschirm</b><b style="color:#2E8B57">jäger</b><b style="color:#701"></b></i> <b style="color:#3CB371">&#9993;</b> 17:36, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Watery images
<Gallery> Image:Sir George Arthur, 3rd Baronet Vanity Fair 1885-12-19.jpg|1 Image:Richard Francis Burton Vanity Fair 1885-10-24.jpg|2 Image:The Lord Calthorpe Vanity Fair 1885-07-25.jpg|3 Image:John Eardley-Wilmot Vanity Fair 1885-05-09.jpg|4 </Gallery>

I do not know if watery is the right word, but their problem is a bit obvious, I think. Could somebody help?

<Gallery> Image:Edward Robert Sullivan Vanity Fair 1885-06-13.jpg|5 Image:William Edward Baxter Vanity Fair 1885-04-25.jpg|6 </Gallery>

Those two have the same problem, but, admittedly, more slightly. --The Theosophist (talk) 13:57, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ✅ ( Hohum  @ ) 14:30, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much!--The Theosophist (talk) 08:32, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Goering
Article(s): Goering Request:
 * remove watermarks... -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:52, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * What's with "For documentary purposes the German Federal Archive often retained the original image captions, which may be erroneous, biased, obsolete or politically extreme." on the the description of the file? -- ///Euro Car GT  17:10, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
 * All Bundesarchiv photos have that, because of Germany's history, and we have permission to remove the watermarking so long as the text is preserved in the metadata.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:34, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅ - <i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><b style="color:#4D5D53">Fallschirm</b><b style="color:#2E8B57">jäger</b><b style="color:#701"></b></i> <b style="color:#3CB371">&#9993;</b> 19:34, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Capture of Koroni
Article(s): Morea expedition Request:
 * Revome watermarks. -- Andres rojas22 (talk) 16:29, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ Rm. watermark and crop extra framing on the right side. ///Euro Car  GT  17:08, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Carlos_Manuel_de_Céspedes_y_Quesada
Article(s): Carlos_Manuel_de_Céspedes_y_Quesada Request:
 * remove uneven border trim... -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 10:32, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ ///Euro Car  GT  17:27, 21 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I've refreshed and looked on a different computer, mine is still showing an uneven, three-sided border. Please take it all down to no border.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:16, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Got that. ///Euro Car  GT  03:44, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Great, and thanks for your fast reply!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:02, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Lady Antebellum
Article(s): Lady Antebellum Request:
 * Please crop out the rightmost guy, the one with the white guitar, to make it a little clearer that he's not one of the members of Lady Antebellum. I'd do it myself, but I'd never get it centered right. -- Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 15:50, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅. ///Euro Car  GT  17:21, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Harry Reasoner
Article(s): Harry Reasoner Request:
 * Please remove watermarks and improve image quality if possible

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅. Regards, MagentaGreen (talk) 16:05, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅. Regards, MagentaGreen (talk) 16:05, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Multiple crops
Article(s): Steven Grossman (politician), Treasurer and Receiver-General of Massachusetts, Government of Massachusetts, Thomas DiNapoli, New York State Comptroller, Government of New York, John Suthers, Colorado Attorney General, Government of Colorado, Pam Bondi, Florida Attorney General, Government of Florida, Bill Schuette, Michigan Attorney General, Government of Michigan, John Sánchez, Lieutenant Governor of New Mexico, Government of New Mexico, Bob Ferguson (politician), Government of Washington (state) Request:
 * Can someone please crop these, so they are like portraits of other politicians? Other crops are always so nice I figure someone else should do it. Thank you much. :) -- Int21h (talk) 05:22, 23 July 2014 (UTC) Int21h (talk) 06:09, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * 1. picture ✅. MagentaGreen (talk) 11:55, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * 2. picture ✅. MagentaGreen (talk) 12:35, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * 3. picture ✅. MagentaGreen (talk) 14:46, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * 4. picture ✅. MagentaGreen (talk) 18:47, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * 5. picture ✅. MagentaGreen (talk) 20:11, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * 6. picture ✅. MagentaGreen (talk) 21:31, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * 7. picture ✅. MagentaGreen (talk) 08:37, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Gibson Corvus
Article(s): Gibson Corvus Request:
 * As described in the article, the Corvus body was meant to look like a crow in flight. A clarify tag was placed on this statement, and the best illustration I could find exists on an external link (this blog).  Would it be possible to recreate this illustration here, possibly even using the photograph of the crow flying?  To describe the image I'm after: rotate the guitar photo 90° to the right and zoom in on the body.  Then either draw lines similar to the external link or overlay the crow photo on top.  It should look like a crow flying horizontally to the left, with the smaller lobe representing the bird's head, and the larger lobe representing its forward swept wings.  -- Hoof Hearted (talk) 18:42, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * Upload it as a new file? ///Euro Car  GT  19:20, 23 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I forgot to use the template . Regards, MagentaGreen (talk) 13:15, 24 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes, that would be great, thanks! Hoof Hearted (talk) 13:52, 24 July 2014 (UTC)


 * ✅ - a proposal of MagentaGreen (talk) 08:36, 26 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I appreciate the effort MagentaGreen, but that's not really what I'm after. Something more like this.  I think the image of the crow flying won't work after all (the head isn't in the right position and the wings are out of proportion to the rest of it).  Hoof Hearted (talk) 12:26, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I hope the new version equals more your expectations. However, I would like to avoid a childlike illustration. Regards, MagentaGreen (talk) 14:34, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Luther Severance
Article(s): Luther Severance Request:
 * Clean up, remove any noise and turn black and white. -- KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:25, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

NOTE: Despite the long discussion below on the issue how to make requests, this one is still OPEN and available to anyone who wishes to work on it. Graphist opinion(s):


 * I think it is respectful to make requests rather than demands. It's just one magic word that makes the difference: "Clean up, remove this and do that ..." or "Please clean up ..." - what do you prefer to hear?
 * Manners cost nothing and are priceless. Regards MagentaGreen (talk) 09:00, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

@MagentaGreen-we're here to improve graphics-take the manners police bit elsewhere-it&s not constructive and reflects poorly on you.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:46, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

@Kintetsubuffalo: I replied already on my talk page, but I will repeat it gladly here: It's hopefully not asking too much, to say "please" and "thank you". By the way, counting the words that you so generously outpouring about me that would substitute for almost 20 requests, starting with one magic word. Regards, MagentaGreen (talk) 15:05, 26 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I concur absolutely with MagentaGreen here. Saying "please" is a matter of simple courtesy and only takes six key strokes to include. Everybody in here is a volunteer and should be treated with at least that level of respect, especially by editors who make many many requests of those of us who give freely of our time and talents to help improve the project by fixing images that others are not able to on their own. A simple -- and prompt -- "thank you" and marked "Resolved" once a project is done is also much appreciated by the digital restoration practitioners who do this work as an acknowledgement by the requester that he/she has seen the results, accepts them as meeting the request, and appreciates the effort made by the editor who fixed the image. This has nothing whatever to do with "manners police" but is just a matter of common courtesy. As one of the most active digital image restorers in this workshop over the past several years -- but one who also only has the time to work on a limited number of images -- I am very much more likely to pick those to work on that contain the word "please" in the request and bypass (as in this case) those that don't even if they are very simple to do, and I do not think I am alone in that. "Please" and "Thank You" cost absolutely nothing for requesters to say but make, at least to me, a world of difference in whether or not I will accept their requests. Centpacrr (talk) 16:39, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Fantastic, but it goes against WPAGF to berate any user for not including such niceties and pretending it's a demand on their part. User:KAVEBEAR is one of the nicest, most productive users here, and for myself, I have always shown gratitude when an image is cleaned up successfully. For my part, both MagentaGreen and Centpacrr can bypass all of my image requests. I don't need to be taken to task by users who don't start from WPAGF.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 02:47, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a demand. May seems like it if you want to read it as such. I think I was just being short and brief. The bolded request above should make it clear that it was a request even if is absent of any magical words. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:04, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Please tell me, where is someone berated? These are absurd accusations.
 * "Would it be possible" in the "bolded request above" is a phrase that is generally considered as a polite question. I feel sorry, but short and brief statements do not necessarily belong to the characteristics of polite manners. But what an effort in order to continue saving 6 letters. Regards, MagentaGreen (talk) 07:17, 27 July 2014 (UTC)}}
 * I don't see how in any way MagentaGreen "berated" anybody in making the observation that using "please" in the posting of requests is more likely to engender a faster and more willing response to a request for assistance from the volunteer digital image restorers in this workshop. Quite the opposite. With respect, Kintetsubuffalo, I think you have way overreacted to MagentaGreen's comment which has nothing whatever to do with WPAGF, just simple good manners. On the other hand, it seems to me that to characterize MagentaGreen's comment as "trolling" in an edit summary, or "rants" on his talk page, and then collapsing this relevant discussion frankly is an issue of WPAGF. Centpacrr (talk) 13:48, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Over and above that, the reasoning for the collapsing (so called "trolling" would be present - see file history,) borders on defamation.
 * So should we not treat each other. I hope we find back to a sound cooperation. MagentaGreen (talk) 14:05, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * In addition to the above, the fact that that user Kintetsubuffalo states on his userpage that he currently lives in Japan and also at the very top says that he is an Eagle Scout and huge booster of Scouting, both of which cultures place very high emphasis on the practice of politeness and good manners, and even has his "own talk page rules" on this topic, makes his attitude here all the more puzzling. I have fulfilled many of your requests in the past, Kintetsubuffalo, but if you would prefer I pass on any others you may post in the future I will honor your wishes and leave them to others. Please, however, avoid in the future gratuitously accusing other editors of "trolling", violating WPAGF, and collapsing relevant discussions (especially those with comments for three or more editors) without having very very good reason to do any of these as in their absence each of these actions are a violation of WPAGF themselves. Centpacrr (talk) 15:25, 27 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Everyone* appears to have over-reacted at each stage of the discussion. Please let this thread die. ( Hohum  @ ) 17:26, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Defending another volunteer editor/digital image restorer (especially one who is new to this workshop) who has been gratuitously accused of "trolling", posting "rants", and violating WPAGF is not over-reacting, sir, especially when that editor was not remotely guilty of any of those things and the charges are being made by someone who only comes in here as a guest seeking our freely offered image restoration and adjustment assistance as opposed to ever providing it to others himself. Remember we are all volunteers, not employees, and so saying "please" and "thank you" is really not too much to expect as recompense from those who ask our help. Centpacrr (talk) 18:07, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Although I try to imagine the reasons which have led to this affront and I meanwhile have offered my constructive work to one of the parties (via email), I still have to keep myself against such generalization.
 * I had and I have no intention to hurt anyone deliberately. However, I believe that my criticism is intrinsically justified and I am convinced that this can not be sweetened with a sauce of egalitarianism. This is my opinion, and I hope thereby not to provoke further hostility.
 * But I also believe that this topic of discussion is needed and that this debate is more important than to edit an image as soon as possible. Regards, MagentaGreen (talk) 20:37, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Well put, MagentaGreen. Let's hope this discussion has some beneficial effect for both the Graphics Lab and the Wikipedia Project in general, or at the very least that MagentaGreen gets an appropriate apology in here from Kintetsubuffalo for the baseless charges ("trolling", "ranting", violating WPAGF) he made against him. I guess we'll just have to wait and see if that happens. Centpacrr (talk) 08:29, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Added comment: Sir, if you are not willing to apologize and retract your charges, then at a minimum you owe the other graphists and requesters in this project -- and, for that matter, the Wikipedia Community at large -- a detailed explanation of exactly how you define these three unWikilike activities, and what specifically you claim MagentaGreen did that led you to so publicly accuse him of all three. With respect, as the accuser in this matter your silence on this is not really an option here. Centpacrr (talk) 19:27, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

This page is for graphic requests, please show some consideration and take this to the talk page. ( Hohum  @ ) 18:55, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * I think, this debate is thoughtful enough and it does not prevent anybody other inquiries to ask. Sure, it looks in the mean time as if the activity is somewhat paralyzed here. But if the project can be maintained only by general arbitrariness and non-committal, we can leave it in the whole. I also think that we have to withstand up to a certain degree, and please rest assured that I do not like this development and would like to undo it. MagentaGreen (talk) 19:41, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I have tried to move this to the talk page twice (see its history) but both times I did there was some malfunction in the saving algorithm for the page that deleted large portions of earlier posts and I have not yet been able to figure out how to overcome it. However many similar discussions as this one regarding the operations of the project have developed and been carried on in "Graphist opinion(s)" sections for individual requests in the years that I have been one of the workshop's most active contributors and I see no reason why this one should not be completed here. The only thing really left is for Kintetsubuffalo to respond to the question addressed to him above. Hohum, you are, of course, free to add any comment you may have that is relevant to the issue if you care to, or, for that matter, to ignore it altogether and move on to other things. As MagentaGreen notes correctly above, "this debate is thoughtful enough and it does not prevent anybody other inquiries to ask." It also addresses a point that has needed to be discussed in here for a long time so is perfectly appropriate to allow it to finish here as this is where it developed. Centpacrr (talk) 22:49, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


 * This is doing nothing to help KAVEBEAR with his request, and he's already responded that he wasn't intending to be rude (nor did he seem to be, in my opinion). My refactoring (by collapsing) these comments (for which I was thanked, but also reverted) were to allow people to see that the request wasn't being addressed. Following wikipedia etiquette would be to go to the talk page to discuss how the page itself should work, including (ironically) etiquette. That would also attract the correct audience. Please reinstate the collapse tags and go there. AGF is wearing thin at the third time of asking. ( Hohum  @ ) 16:23, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


 * As I explained above, Hohum, I attempted twice to move this discussion to Talk (see that page's history here) two days ago, but both times I did there was some malfunction in the saving algorithm for the page that deleted large portions of earlier posts that I have not yet been able to figure out how to overcome. However I also pointed out above that many similar discussions as this one regarding the operations of the workshop project have developed and been carried on in "Graphist opinion(s)" sections for individual requests in the years that I have been one of the workshop's most active contributors and I see no reason why this one should not be completed here. The original issue that Kintetsubuffalo commented on that I and MagentaGreen disagreed with him about was the value to the operation of the project of requesters using "please" and "thank you" when posting images in here to be worked on by the graphists. I have no real problem with this or any other editor expressing a view with which I disagree, although why this user (who lives in Japan and is an Eagle Scout, two cultures that place unusually high value in good manners and extreme politeness) objected to MagentaGreen's posting is still a puzzlement to me. However in this case I very much do have an issue with how he did it, i.e., accusing another user of "trolling", "ranting", and violating WPAGF when that user was not remotely guilty of any of these serious violations of WP etiquette and guidelines. In my view, making all three of these accusations are in and of themselves real violations of WPAGF by Kintetsubuffalo and as such needed to be promptly addressed here where they happened.


 * I asked Kintetsubuffalo two days ago to respond to these issues in a question addressed to him above about why he made these charges against another editor. While so far that has only been met with silence, hopefully he will have the courtesy either apologize to the graphist he accused of misconduct or explain why he thinks he does not need to. As for completing the original request for altering this image, however, there is nothing whatever to prevent you, Hohum, from fulfilling his reguest yourself if you think this discussion is somehow preventing that. As a volunteer like all the rest of us, you are not, of course, in any way required to do that. If you chose not to, however, then your complaint that this discussion is interfering with the operation of the workshop, it seems to me, is also moot. In an abundance of caution, however, I have also added a note above this discussion stating that the request is still open in case anyone is confused as to its status. Centpacrr (talk) 19:04, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


 * By your continued silence I presume that you intend to neither apologize to MagentaGreen and the other participants in this workshop, nor to explain or justify why you inappropriately accused him of "trolling", "ranting", or violating WPAGF. We will thus conclude from your decision that you have no defense for having done so and this discussion is constructively closed unless Hohum cares to add a final comment on its merits. Centpacrr (talk) 13:35, 31 July 2014 (UTC)


 * I also believe that we do not need to wait longer for a response. Unfortunately there were except for one no other reactions - is this debate not important enough?


 * There was no one who wanted to edit this request, therefore, I believe it is right, if I bring the matter to an end.
 * It's ✅ - hopefully to the satisfaction of all. Regards, MagentaGreen (talk) 15:34, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 15:42, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! MagentaGreen (talk) 19:53, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Tophus
Article(s): Tophus Request:
 * stitch together and clean up... -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:03, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * I would not be one-sided. What I said to the requester in the section above, applies here as well of course. Regards, MagentaGreen (talk) 5:08 am, 26 July 2014, last Saturday (2 days ago) (UTC−4)


 * This request is being bypassed by me for the reasons stated in the thread (Luther Severance) immediately above. Centpacrr (talk) 16:59, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

✅. I wasn't sure if the little triangular protrusions were important.  nagual  design   00:09, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, nagualdesign, the image came out better than I hoped for, you made the circles rounder and everything! I also don't know what the triangles signify, thank you for catching that! Your skills are always appreciated, and it's nice to see you back here at the GLab!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:15, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, try not to lay it on too thick, Kintetsubuffalo!   nagual  design   19:37, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Nah, it's just I wasn't expecting that much out of the image, and you've been missed!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 22:43, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

File:New Evening Post August 5 1955 Book Sword Part 10.jpg
Article(s): The Book and the Sword Request:
 * Is this image highlighted in yellow digitally, or is the newspaper already highlighted? I want it de-yellowized. -- George Ho (talk) 16:18, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ - <i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><b style="color:#4D5D53">Fallschirm</b><b style="color:#2E8B57">jäger</b><b style="color:#701"></b></i> <b style="color:#3CB371">&#9993;</b> 23:09, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

File:Flying fox snowy mountain 1985 tvb.jpg
Article(s): The Flying Fox of Snowy Mountain (1985 TV series) Request:
 * The upper-right corner has the logo of Youku. -- George Ho (talk) 21:50, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ - <i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><b style="color:#4D5D53">Fallschirm</b><b style="color:#2E8B57">jäger</b><b style="color:#701"></b></i> <b style="color:#3CB371">&#9993;</b> 12:23, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Mohr
Article(s): Mohr Request:
 * remove unnecessary border... -- Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 09:48, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Graphist opinion(s):
 * ✅ - <i style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><b style="color:#4D5D53">Fallschirm</b><b style="color:#2E8B57">jäger</b><b style="color:#701"></b></i> <b style="color:#3CB371">&#9993;</b> 12:12, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 12:43, 26 July 2014 (UTC)