Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2006 December 24

=December 24=

Error on Line 3787
I keep getting an odd error on line 3787 or 7153 whenever I try to go to any page in any namespace or refresh a page or basically try to do anything. Everything is taking a really long time to load, and has for the last several hours. Am I having a personal problem, or are the servers having problems today? --After Midnight 0001 01:11, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's likely to be a problem with your monobook.js and the popups script. It's either a bug in the script (sounds unlikely) or you should force a refresh of the script file (WP:CACHE). -- zzuuzz (talk) 06:22, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

submission
I've created a user account "Dasystem" and saved. But when I run a search I get this error:

There is no page titled "Dasystem". You can create this page. Sorry, there were no exact matches to your query.

Please advise Ryan Wise
 * The search database often takes a while to update...usually, if you hit the "go" button instead of the "search" button, it will take you to the article. — K e  akealani  03:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you looking for the page User:Dasystem? Simply searching for "Dasystem" looks only for articles under that name.  User pages are kept separate.  Canderson7 (talk) 03:14, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Images from Internet sites for fair use
If I find an image from an Internet site that I plan to use under fair use, do I need to get permssion from the maker/owner of the site to use it on Wikipedia?

-Thanks
 * I don't think so, but I doubt it would hurt terribly if you did have permission, since the fair use might be better justified. — K e  akealani  04:06, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Inserting a logo
I uploaded the logo for Aerolineas Internacionales in order to use in a table on the page of the same name. The logo is not appearing on the page. How would I insert the logo so it appears above the airline infobox? otooledupree, December 23, 2006
 * If you look at the template you will see there is a parameter called logo= Add that parameter to the infobox in the article and insert the name of the image there. -- zzuuzz (talk) 04:09, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

What are the green and red numbers?
What are the green and red numbers that are now showing next to all the entries in my watchlist? And, I'm assuming, everyone else's? Anchoress 06:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe something similar..I have positive and negative numbers in parenthesis? Postoak 06:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, mine have the pos in green, the neg in red. They just showed up 15 minutes or so ago. Anchoress 06:19, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * (after edit conflict)
 * Ah I've never seen them before, must be an admin playing with the interface. I presume it either means Size in bytes of change, or size in characters. For example (-5) is 5 bytes/chars rem, and (+5) means 5 bytes/chars added. Easy to spot blanking for example if you see (-2156) you might get a bit sus. HTH  &mdash; D e on555talkdesksign here! 06:21, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I doubt it's an admin; this has the hallmarks of being a new feature, which would mean the devs are responsible. I don't see anything in the server admin logs or the SVN trunk, but it could have been checked in any time and just activated. Essjay ( Talk )  06:24, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not an admin, it's the developers. The color represents the number of bytes added (in green) or removed (in red). This change was introduced over the last few days to Special:Recentchanges, and it was extended into Special:Watchlist earlier today. The change didn't go live until the servers were scapped, but it now has. As for who introduced it in watchlists, bug Leon. Tito xd (?!?) 06:48, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Further discussion is ongoing at Village_pump_%28technical%29. Essjay ( Talk )  07:37, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

How Do I get..
How Do I get my user talk page for my IP? 75.153.204.116 06:29, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, but I think you have to type it in or bookmark it, in order to find it again. (or click on your sig, and navigate from there.) Also, consider making an account, if you're in a situation where you're able to, they're more private :) —Quiddity 11:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, you can type Special:Mypage or Special:Mytalk (for your talk page) into the the search box to get to your own pages on your current IP. 24.20.69.240 03:40, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

The red and green numbers in brackets
On the watchlst, there has been numbers in brackets, negative numbers in red and positive in green. I just wonder, what they are, or better yet, what they really mean. Captain Drake Van Hellsing 06:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Please see the section immediately above. Essjay ( Talk )  07:36, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

**** template won't ****ing work
Having some trouble here with User:Red Pooka/Custom Templatez!!/vandal1. The code I have punched in for it is ''

Recent Vandalization
Dear user, please don't vandalize pages, as you recently did to, as you can see in. Please read Vandalism, and though this may have been unintentional or not, it does not appear to be malicious. If this was a mistake, please contact me on my talk page! Thanks and happy editing! --Red Pooka '' and to use it, I use     The problem is that, The first "  " works, but the other are screwed up for some reason. E.g. I type in    and it gives me ''

Recent Vandalization
Dear user, please don't vandalize pages, as you recently did to Sex organ, as you can see in 06:44, 24 December 2006 (UTC). Please read Wikipedia:Vandalism, and though this may have been unintentional or not, it does not appear to be malicious. If this was a mistake, please contact me on my talk page! Thanks and happy editing! --Red Pooka the time''

As you can see the " " does not give a link (it was supposed to link to the article), and "  " and "  " aren't functioning right. No.2 is treated as 3, and 3 does not even work!

Can someone help? This is getting frustrating --<span style="border: 1px; border-style:solid; padding:0px 2px 2px 2px; color:red; background-color:yellow; font-weight:bold">Red <span style="border: 1px; border-style:solid; padding:0px 2px 2px 2px; color:yellow; background-color:red; font-weight:bold">Pooka 06:59, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Where is the original template? I might be able to take a look.  While I'm at it, there are several grammar errors...I'd like to correct them.  Also, you may want to consider reducing your signature, as it is quite long, and hard on the eyes.  Not a huge issue, but other people might mind. — K  e  akealani  07:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not familiar with which template you are referring to, but if your link contains an '=', you need to manually insert parameters. e.g.   --Sigma 7 21:51, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The template in question is apparently User:Red Pooka/Custom Templatez!!/vandal1. --Derlay 23:28, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

INDIAN CIVIL LAW ON PROPERTY
WHEATHER SOME CONTRIBUTION FROM JOINT FAMILY PROPERTY UTTILISED FOR PURCHASING A PROPERTY IN SELF NAME ,MAKE THE PROPERTY A JOINT PROPERTY OR IT WILL BE MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
 * I'm sorry, I don't understand what your question is. Additionally, I'd like to ask you to please not yell, as it's quite rude.  Please clarify your question, although I imagine it is more suited for the Reference Desk rather than this Help Desk. — K  e  akealani  07:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

seeking to the roots
hello everybody,

I am not well to write and speak in English. But I want to write something and share my view in this site. We are some people working to know about our origin through historical basis. How can I get cahances from wikipedia for this reason?

Md. Jalis Mahmud Khan 18/7, Aparajita, Sobhanbagh, Dhaka-1207
 * Let me see if I understand what you're saying. You would like to use Wikipedia to do research for history?  If so, you're welcome to do so.  You may want to use the Reference Desk if you intend to ask questions relating to general knowledge, rather than this Help Desk which specializes in questions about the use of Wikipedia.  You may also be interested in the Simple Wikipedia if you are not strong in English.  — K  e  akealani  07:18, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Four80East
My try at submitting a reference to this jazz group ended up headed as, "Four80east", not Four80East. I'm trying to fix this but your site isn't helpful about changing headers. ???

Chris Fitzmaurice
 * Are you trying to change the name of an article? If so, you would need to move the page to the correct name.  If you're simply trying to correct a typo, you can edit the page and correct it...just be bold. — K  e  akealani  09:08, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

GTA missions articles
Would it be ok to create articles that deal with the missions in various GTA games? I wouldn't make them how-to's, just state what the mission is, what you're equipped with etc. I suppose most wouldn't become more than stubs. Would it be alright? Jack Daw 10:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If they wouldn't become more than stubs, I recommend putting all of those stubs together in a single article, rather than creating separate entries. - Mgm|(talk) 10:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Even as a single list, it would be vulnerable to deletion as something only verifiable by playing the game and only of interest to people who play it. I recommend you consider posting it to GameFAQs instead, where more people will appreciate it. --Sam Blanning(talk) 11:31, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * How do you mean? A lot of articles are of no interest to a lot of people. Jack Daw 13:04, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes
How do I make my custom userbox add me to a category? I wish to link my userbox to the Category:Limerant Wikipedians page Category:Limerant Wikipedians, as well as another to the Category:Single Wikipedians page. Pls post a reply on my talk page. Crisco 1492 10:39, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll see if I can fix this. = Mgm|(talk) 10:48, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

hello
hello, how are you doing doing i hope you are well. Ok my name is Isack from kenya i have join wikipedia, do you allow poeplefrom oudside thank you isack —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Isack (talk • contribs) 11:17, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean. Allow people from outside where, to do what? Anyone can contribute to Wikipedia. --Sam Blanning(talk) 11:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Of course! Everyone is welcome to participate here at on wikipedia. If you would like to see ways you can participate, consider looking at the Community Portal, where there are lots of things to be done. Or take a look at the New contributors' help page, for some general advice. Or just pick a random page and get started! Anything you would like to do would be welcome. -- Sir Escher talk 11:34, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

AFC Archiving
The Articles for creation is not archiving correctly. Can Someone Help Me Fix It?--Natl1 13:01, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I've done all the archives up to now - I'll try to contact whoever runs the bot. If anyone's watching - could someone add the date headers to this page in the form =December 21= (or appropriate date?).  Thanks, M a rtinp23 13:38, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Pornography
There are now 2 large pornographic pictures on the main page...can't somebody do something about this?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DRosenbach (talk • contribs).

Seconded.. what happened? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.188.31.137 (talk) 15:47, 24 December 2006


 * I believe it was an image vandalism. Anyway, it's fixed now.  Jacek  Kendysz  15:52, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That shouldn't happen. Everything image, piece of text or template on the main page should be protected to prevent just that. - Mgm|(talk) 16:44, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Legality Across Languages
I was wondering what Wikipedia's policies were regarding the laws of various countries under the same language. English, for example, is used in both Britain and the U.S., two countries with very different approaches to free speech. So if someone in Britain sued for, say, libel, but they would not have grounds in the States, what would happen?

And a second question, if a libellous statement (or anything else legally questionable) is removed from one language, is it removed from all, or generally just the language in question? It just piqued my curiosity today when I was thinking about how a lot of international companies like to file lawsuits in Britain to get around that "pesky" free speech thing we have in the States here. --Ihmhi 16:05, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Generally speaking, US law applies because the information is stored on servers in Florida. Different language Wikipedias are edited by different people, so if something libellous is posted it's only removed from the page it is put on. Most of the time, the person posting it won't bother posting it in different languages anyway, so there'd be nothing to remove on the other article. By the way, there's free speech in the UK too. If anything, sueing in the UK would be a better for the accused, not because there's no free speech, but because the British tend to have less ridiculous compensation claims. Free speech isn't relevant anyway, Wikipedia is about facts, free speech is about the right to give your opinion. You have that right, but Wikipedia is not the place to exercise it. - Mgm|(talk) 16:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I am fairly confident that any truly libellous statements or bias would be removed over time, of course, as is the nature of Wikipedia. I am talking about matters such as, say, a politician who clearly exhibits racist views objecting to the NPOV description of him here to the point to sue Wikipedia. Were this politician in, say, England, would he have any standing to sue in England as Wikipedia's servers are primarily in America? I am just unfamiliar with this particular aspect of law and its relation to Wikipedia and the thought of this and discussion thereof intrigues me greatly. Thank you for your help thus far. --Ihmhi 06:49, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

international student
i need guide on how to be an international student
 * Sorry, Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and not a guide on being an international student. Trebor 16:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Saving Wikipedia articals
I am using windows 98se on a dialup conection. Is there any way I can save articals to my HD in a folder of it's own ?

It works fine if I use "add to favorits" and "make available off line", however it disapears in a few days and has to be reloaded.

This seems rather wastefull of connect time and cost to the user, not to mention the unnessary load on the Wiki servers. I've tried using the Windows "Save As" function, but it often results in an "illeagle operation" err and I lose the page and it exits IE explorer.

I've also tried drag and drop from temp. internet folder to a new folder, but when try open it Windows dos'nt seem to know what a ".php" file is. ( niether do I ) 142.29.205.84 16:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe there is a way to download a hard copy of Wikipedia to your computer as a standalone... of course, there are issues with this, such as the hard copy only being updated periodically (as in the articles will not be completely up to date) and the size (I believe it is 1.5 GB but it may be much much more at this point). I think it was created so Wikipedia could be uploaded to things like palm pilots and laptops so it could be used as an offline resource. Regrettably I have no idea where exactly this is but I am sure someone will come along and link to it. --Ihmhi 16:21, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * "Save file as" in the file menu of my browser has served me well. - Mgm|(talk) 16:52, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason it needs to be reloaded even if you make it available offline is probably because someone has edited and changed it. If you click the "Printable version" link on the left it will take you to a page that would be easy to copy and paste into say MS Word. <font face="comic sans ms">James086Talk 23:31, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Logo
I used the logo= protocol to insert a logo and it still does not appear on the page for Aerolineas Internationales. A link appears. What am I doing wrong? The company provided the logo for use on Wikipedia. Otooledupree 24 Dec. 2006
 * The code read .jpg.svg while the image was simply .jpg It was simply a typo. Also, I don't know what went wrong, but if you want to sign a post, all you have to type is four tildes (~). It automatically links to your userpage and it inserts the date. - Mgm|(talk) 16:57, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Searching the Internet for Paula Insel
Hello and God Bless You!!

My name is Vicki Lawrence, and I live in Pembroke Pines, Florida (U.S.A.)

I have spent the past three or four days on the Internet searching for Ms. Paula Insel, and through a link to Wipipedia this morning though a German web site, I was able to locate Paula Insel through the Gerhardt.fr web site where her work is currently shown.

I d not speak the German language, and, therefore, I am unable to find the link to any form of communication with the Gerhardt.fr web site; thus, I am writing to you in the hopes that you can help me locate and/or contact Ms. Insel, as she may be the only person who can guide me to a particular artist who, by Invitation, showed his works at her Gallery in New York City in December 1967.

The artist's name is Luis Peressol, who is of Venezuelan origin. His art reflected paintings of Old San Juan Puerto Rico (as well as others), and the Invitation to show his works at The Paula Insel Gallery in 1967 was downloaded to me from the Art/Portrait Gallery at the Smithsonian Institute in the United States. Luis Peressol was a well known artist, teacher and mentor over 50 years ago. I own one of his original signed paintings which has been in my family for at least 40+ years.

If, per chance, Ms. Insel might recall this particular event with Luis Peressol in 1967, she may be my only connection to further communication with Mr. Peressol, as he and his works are extremely difficult to find on the Internet thus far.

I look forward to hearing from someone from your web site, hopefully, with a positive response as to how to effectively contact Paula Insel as I continue my search for Luis Peressol.

Thank you so very much for any help and guidance you can give me, and I wish you happy holidays and a Happy New Year.

Sincerely,

Vicki Lawrence Email: (removed to protect from spam)


 * Are you sure about that gerhardt.fr link? As I speak German I had a look to see if I could help you out finding a contact link, but http://www.gerhardt.fr is a corporate website, apparently for Gerhardt Laboratory Systems' French subsidiary, nothing to do with art that I could see.
 * Anyway, this page is for help with using Wikipedia, so you're unlikely to find much help - you might have more luck on the Reference Desk. --Sam Blanning(talk) 16:57, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

MoS info on the propriety of acronym article titles?
Wondering about ANDE (Atmospheric Neutral Density Experiment), which I found while reading the Space Shuttle mission page. I already know (thru trial and error) that the full title is redlinked. What's the protocol on this? Anchoress 17:19, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If I understand your question correctly, we would either move the page to the full title, or create a redirect at Atmospheric Neutral Density Experiment (i.e. create the page with ). I'm not sure what the naming conventions are with space articles, but I would have thought that moving the page to its full name would be clearer. --Sam Blanning(talk) 18:07, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Bot patrolling for cross-namespace redirects
Sometimes people create a page in namespace which is autobiographical but otherwise would be acceptable as a userpage. If that page is userfied by a move, there will be a redirect left behind. In the short term that is a convenience as it prevents the user from re-creating their article in mainsspace. In the long term however, it is a pollution of the main namespace. Is there any bot mechanism to tag these redirects for speedy deletion? --Dgies 17:19, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I would like a link added to the Wikipedia article about the Beta Israel.
I would like a link added to the Wikipedia article about the Beta Israel. Please click at the link below to read the article.

http://www.radioislam.org/totus/1981-1990/160Bfalashas.a.html

Perhaps the above link can be added to the "Scholarly view" section of the Beta Israel article.

Please let me know of your decision. Sincerely, J.G.


 * You are welcome to add external links to Wikipedia articles yourself. However, please read the guidelines at External links to make sure the link you have suggested is appropriate. If you think the addition of the link may be controversial, it might be a good idea to discuss its addition on the talk page of the article in question first. --Nebular110 18:06, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

What is the "dismiss" link
What is the "dismiss" link in the upper right on my userpage for? Thanks. Tanaats 17:40, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The "dismiss" link hides the current SiteNotice (the fundraising banner at the top of the window) by using a cookie on your computer. The SiteNotice will not appear again unless you delete the cookie or the SiteNotice is changed and a counter incremented. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note? ) 17:42, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

permission to create breathcube article?
apologies for requesting human response -

2 years ago i created the first automatic song creator/singer, a freeware called "breathcube," which composes and plays music with words in real time.

algorithmic/procedural/stochastic music has a long history, eg. at least since pythagoras, but this is the first application as such.

i see many ways that culture can benefit from this technology, but the field is generally too esoteric to have generated much awareness.

i would like to create an article to create more awareness, synergise, and publicly record the accomplishment, however i am concerned that my effort may be deleted under the 'new research' clause.

item at http://www.atomictraveller.com

may i create an entry about breath cube?

sincerely, rurik leffanta.
 * Wikipedia isn't a tool to generate publicity; it reports on things after they become notable. Unless there's coverage from multiple independent sources, then the article can (and probably will) be deleted. Trebor 18:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "i would like to create an article to create more awareness, synergise, and publicly record the accomplishment" - that's the problem. Wikipedia doesn't create awareness of software or anything else; we only cover articles when they have already generated awareness. To cover something verifiably and neutrally we need non-trivial coverage from independent reliable sources. At the least, I would suggest waiting for someone uninvolved to create the article - as the creator of the software, there is a conflict of interest issue with you writing it. --Sam Blanning(talk) 18:44, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Why Oh Why??!!
A page I created which was perfectly reasonable, citing references and filling all the necessary criteria is wikipedia now only accepting the internet as criteria?!), was deleted, and if the gentleman who did so doubts the factuality of my article, then I suggest they come to London and visit these prestigious gulds! The name of the page was Zeta 4. I would appreciate it very much if this problem could be rectified soon, as this has significantly reduced my enjoyment of Wikipedia. Many thanks --El Presidente 19:24, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * None of that is true. --Sam Blanning(talk) 19:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You can claim person X or company Y said something, but we need actual details: a website is easiest, but if there's written material, we need page numbers, titles, author names and ISBN/ISSN numbers. Merely mentioning the name of a person or organization isn't the same as providing reliable sources. - Mgm|(talk) 22:53, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Copywrite violoation
aaez.biz appears to be leeching material from wikipedia and breaking the GNU FDL. Do we do anything about that, and if we do, what is the process? 66.159.175.130 20:21, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It is not livelinking, but rather working from a previous mirror of wikipedia, so that is not an issue. But It does not seem to show the source and history of the pages...I believe they are necessary. Not sure on that one though. -- Sir Escher talk 20:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah it's a complete mirror of Wikipedia. &mdash; Arjun  21:54, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Changing IP addresses
I recieved this message from a user yesterday:

I have a questions, a while back I edit Z.O.E. site and forgot to log in and it it said my Ip address is 24.85.132.165. However today When I came into Wikipedia but before I logged in I received a warning message that belongs to another IP address called 64.59.144.22 insisting I vandal Shot Online ← Which I even didn't know such an articl exists and didn't even made any edits. Which I find really strange so I checked my IP and it said 192.168.1.100 yet Wikipedia thinks my address is 64.59.144.22 and it seems very strange now did Wikipedia made a mistake or did the user 64.59.144.22 hacked into my computer and changed my IP address to his/her. I just want to know how did could an IP address switch three times? Unfortunatly I don't know how to change my IP address. If you have time could you look further into the IP address 24.85.132.165, 64.59.144.22 and mine which is 192.168.1.100. I'm looking forward to hear a reply from you. Thanks! ShadowKinght 05:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not the most technical person so I'm not sure why this would be happening, but I want to help him out. Anyone know why this would happen? Thanks in advance. Imaninjapiratetalk to me 22:09, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Some Internet Service Providers have a large pool of IP numbers and regularly switch them, not just when you log on but also during an internet session. If you didn't edit such a page, you can safely ignore the warning. Also, a few people might be able to make something look like it came from another IP, but they can't change your IP. - Mgm|(talk) 22:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It depends on what sort of internet connection you have, but usually if you really want to change it, you can switch off your computer and your router/modem etc at the power socket in the wall. Then when your turn it back on it will sign in with a new IP address. There are a few connection types (like cable I think) for which this doesn't work. Hope it helped, Merry Christmas! <font face="comic sans ms">James086Talk 23:25, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * 192.168.1.100 is a reserved address, used by local routers. Your actual IP address is the one that wikipedia thinks it is. Hipocrite - &laquo; Talk &raquo; 23:27, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Does Cable connection changes its IP adress? I got cable, as for  24.85.132.165  I remember clearly was mine. That means my IP was change to 64.59.144.22, but the  64.59.144.22  user is still making edits on pages that I didn't do (except for the Zone of the Enders Chacters page which I did) I am the only in my house who edits. Does this mean there are two user from another computer who controls  64.59.144.22 ? ShadowKinght 01:05, 25 December 2006 (UTC)  Talk?.
 * Cable connections can change their addresses, yes, but it usually doesn't happen. Both of the addresses you have listed (24.85... and 64.59...) are listed as belonging to Shaw Cable in Vancouver, but from my experience, shaw rarely switches IPs. It could be that it changed, or that you were working at different computers, each with its own ip....can't say exactly. The IP 192.168.1.100 is the IP your computer gets from your router, not the IP that the router gets from the internet. It is only visible from your local area network. To see what IP you are using currently, go to a page like this. -- Sir Escher talk 01:31, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

The computer I'm working is the same computer I'm working for the last five years. So the cable company must have change the IP address from 24.85.132.165 for to  64.59.144.22  some reason. My questions is that is  64.59.144.22  a shared IP address, meaning it is  connected  and can be  control  by more than one computers? Because when I made edits to the Character of Z.O.E. I didn't log in to test what IP address it was. It showed  64.59.144.22  yet this IP made many distructive edits most of which were edits made during the times I was log on. Unless my computer is being hacked whch I checked many times already and it isn't. However who ever is trying to control  64.59.144.22  is getting out hand. ShadowKinght 02:09, 25 December 2006 (UTC)   Talk?.
 * No, Shaw doesn't use shared connections for cable modems. So if you were actually using the same IP as that person, there are a couple possibilities:


 * 1) You have more than one computer connected to a router, and someone was using a different one of these.
 * 2) Someone was using your computer, or controlling it via the internet. This one is extremely unlikely though.
 * 3) You actually were the person making those changes.
 * 4) You never actually edited from that IP, and a mistake was made on this end.
 * Regardless of which is the right answer, unless you keep getting more warnings since that first one, I wouldn't worry about it. If it comes to doing something about this vandal, the administrators have better tools available than I do, and so can probably unravel who made what edit without too much trouble. Until that time, just relax and continue editing as normal. If it's someone else, it isn't your worry. -- Sir Escher talk 03:23, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean by this one? →  You have more than one computer connected to a router, and someone was using a different one of these . I don't quite understand what you mean by this one →  Someone was using your computer, or controlling it via the internet . Could you explain this more clearly. Becuase I just recieved a message saying that my IP address is 64.59.144.22 (Which was most likely change by shaw cable) and said that I was vandeling other users pages, I checked many of those edits which I did not do yet 64.59.144.22 seems to be vandling random pages. Its possible that someone hacked in to my computer and use my IP address to vandel? ShadowKinght 05:48, 25 December 2006 (UTC)  Talk?.
 *  Someone was using your computer, or controlling it via the internet  - Someone was using your computer means exactly that...there was a person sitting in your chair, using your computer. I assume you know that wasn't the case though. As for controlling it via the internet, it is very, very, unlikely that someone hacked your computer to vandalize wikipedia, so just ignore that one.
 *  You have more than one computer connected to a router, and someone was using a different one of these  - Between your cable modem and your computer, you probably have another device, one with a row of network plugs. That would be a router, and any other computer connected to that would get the same IP address as you.
 * I think this topic is effectively dead though. If the vandals continue, an administrator will look into it. If not, don't worry about it. -- Sir Escher talk 10:42, 25 December 2006 (UTC)