Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2006 December 30

deletion
hi, I was looking for the article called "City Limits" that was deleted in july of 2006 and I wanted to save that onto a document on my computer because I lost it once. Can you tell me which deletion log in july it is located in. --Chikinpotato11 01:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The AFD discussion for that article is Articles for deletion/City Limits (2nd nomination). Is this what you needed? - cohesion 02:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Deletion log is here - you can use this special page in future - Special:Log/delete. Cheers Lethaniol 02:31, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Also if you need to get a copy of the page back - see Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles cheers Lethaniol 02:33, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Merging articles and preserving history
Hi. I noticed that there were separate articles on Green Bin and Green bin, covering the same topic albeit with different content. I followed the merger instructions and copied the content from the former article into the latter and edited to make it consistent, and then made the former a redirect to the latter. Shortly after, User:Finlay McWalter pointed out on my talk page that this causes lost copyright information. First, I'd like to suggest that this issue be made clearer in the instructions at Merging and moving pages, and second, I'd like to ask for advice on the best approach to correcting this problem. Should I revert both articles back and then tag them for mergers, or should I tag Green bin to have a history merge made from Green Bin? Daveharr 02:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

"Talk 02:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)" Copied from User talk:Daveharr


 * Is that right about the copyvio? Ah see this -

"Do not move or rename a page by copying/pasting its content, because doing so destroys the edit history. (The GFDL requires acknowledgement of all contributors, and editors continue to hold copyright on their contributions unless they specifically give up this right. Hence it is required that edit histories be preserved for all major contributions until the normal copyright expires.) If you come across a cut-and-paste move that should be fixed by merging the page histories, please follow the instructions here to have an administrator repair it."


 * This is from Merging and moving pages but from the Moving pages part (where the edit history is lost) - I do not think it is relevant to the Merging of pages - as the history is kept.


 * So unless anyone disagrees I think you have done right Daveharr, Lethaniol 03:21, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia
Do you have to pay a fee to join Wikipedia?

70.133.147.170 02:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)Confused Kid
 * You do not, everything is free including membership. X [' Mac Davis '] ( DESK | How's my driving? ) 02:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Take a look at Introduction to help get you started, and if you decide to contribute here you may want to create an account, although even that is not required to edit. Prodego  talk  02:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * No it is all free - though if you want to donate to help support the work here then go to - . Am so tempted to make a joke about giving money to me but am afraid I will get lynched! Lethaniol 03:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I assume you mean "lynched" of course, since technology has not yet advanced to the point where we can congregate as an angry mob digitally yet! Prodego  talk  03:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, quite ... :0 Lethaniol 03:38, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

How do I restore a deletion..?
i realize that from time to time people may disagree with a subject matter but have no contribution to make of their own so they just delete what other people are discussing. How do I restore such a deletion that has not other purpose than to casue others a pain? Adaptron 03:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the content of a Talk page or article? See WP:Revert. If you mean an article that was actually deleted, you'll need to look at the deletion log to see why and go from there. -- Kesh 03:45, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If it was an article/image that was deleted - see Deletion review and to find the page in question see Special:Log/delete. Cheers Lethaniol 03:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It was a completed discussion on the reference desk I wanted to make a copy of. What some people do not seem to realize is that burning books did not work either. Whenever they delete a discussion they think it will keep others from learning anything new. They do not want anyone else to benefit from the discussion. However, the very purpose for the reference desk not being a two way email conversation is so that others can benefit from the questions and resulting discussion as well. Only a selfish idiot would attempt to deprive others of the benefit of a discussion if for no other reason than not having to cover in the future similar ground. Besides that the deteter obviously does not care about the topic themselves as evidenced by their not being a participant in the discussion. Is there someone in charge of the reference desk who can deprive others the benefit of a discussion they have no participation or interest in? If so then we should seriously rethink our monetary contributions as well. Adaptron 04:08, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Slow down a second - if you had a question answer at the Reference Desk then it will be possible to track it down. You may be able to find it in the archives here Reference desk/Archives. But for us to help you find it, it would greatly help if you could say what subject you posted the question under, when, and even what the question was? Cheers Lethaniol 04:17, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * My apologizes... I was wound up due to a threat that had been made to delete it... after doing a little research I discovered that my consequential expectation of an unwarranted deletion is at fault. The discussion was not deleted but rather archived. This is becasue it was begun on the 25th and continued until the 28th. eBay has the same problem with its auctions compared to some others which do not end the bidding until 15 minutes after the last bid instead of at a precise time after the item was put up for sale. If the Wikipedia had a similar policy and left a discussion up for a longer period of time then it could be archived without cutting everyone off. However, I just wanted a copy and not to add anything new. Thanks. Adaptron 04:44, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

A bug?
This page: Ashoka:_Innovators_for_the_Public

Has this text in the reference section (which seems normal):

[edit] References

1. ^ Internal Revenue Service Form 990, 2003/2004 Fiscal Year. Filed for Ashoka, EIN 51-0255908, submitted on 2005-04-01. Available online at Guidestar.org (free registration required to access PDF of scanned form)

2. ^ The 200 largest U.S. Charities (page 8). Forbes.com (2005-11-23). Retrieved on 2006-09-27. The smallest nonprofit on the list has $34 million in revenue.

3. ^ Wealth of the Poor program Ashoka website, retrieved on 2006-09-26

4. ^ Support Social Entrepreneurs. Ahoka. Retrieved on 2006-10-03.

But clicking on [edit] produces this text (as shown in the edit window here) in the browser edit window:

What is preferred? Insects or Insects ?
I personally think that the latter is more appropriate. It's not just "s" at the end, I am also talking about friendship versus friendship. Thanks. -- Ķĩřβȳ ♥  Ťįɱé  Ø  04:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Either way is appropriate. The former saves space in the database, while the latter is more reliable if code changes in the future. I tend to prefer the latter in my edits, but will sometimes use the former if it's simply pluralization. -- Kesh 04:38, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure where I read it, but I think using the first is preferred. The code won't change so much that it will need changing and if it does, bots will probably be used to fix things. Go with whatever is quickest to type/shorter on the database. - Mgm|(talk) 17:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, according to How to edit a page the first is preferred. -- Rick Block (talk) 18:42, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Help!
Heero- I forgot my password. Unfortunately, any hope of me remembering the correct one(I use several) was lost when I clicked the "Email me my new password" button. I think that changed it to a randomly assigned password. I didn't register my e-mail address with Wikipedia. Can anyone help me? I don't want to reveal my e-mail address(although it is very obvious, with the exception of the @yahoo.com part and the _ between my first and last name). Help? --67.190.180.238 04:55, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, if you don't have access to the email address you registered with, I don't know of any other way to recover your acccount. -- Kesh 05:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * However clicking "e-mail password" didn't make anything worse. The old password remains valid until the new random password is used, which apparently won't happen. --Dapeteばか 16:21, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

User Talk
Hi there,

I am looking for the bottom line on user-talk pages, something that I can't find elsewhere.

Questions:
 * Should an non-abused userpage ever be protected?
 * Should the contents of a conserative user page ever be removed by an administrator?

Thanks Superspokesperson 04:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Generally, protection should be used as a last resort against vandalism, and while it is forwned upon to edit another person's user page without permission, it is also not grounds to protect unless there is a good reason. The contents of a userpage probably shouldn't be removed by an administrator, but if they did, chances are they had a good reason for it, and it's really a case-by-case issue. — K  e  akealani  08:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Search
I made an account and wrote an artical, but when i search it doesn't appear. what should i do?
 * The search does not update immediately - try pressing the "Go" button instead of the "Search" button; if you type the title exactly it should appear. Otherwise, it is possible that you did not save the changes.  It is also possible that the article has been deleted - you would have to check the article's logs to find out. — K  e  akealani  08:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Comments
how do I make a comment about specific content on wikipedia? Editing is very difficult to navigate. Direct me if possible, thank you! -Nathan
 * You can comment on any article on its associated talk page. If you are feeling lost, I strongly suggest this introduction for a beginning; I would also suggest reading up on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines as well as the Manual of Style.  There are plenty of help guides which discuss nearly every aspect of Wikipedia, so it should be hard to get lost. — K  e  akealani  08:46, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Firefox/editbox weirdness
When having a look at another user's page in the editbox, I noticed something positively weird: as you can see in the screenshot, the whole contents of the editbox are displayed right-to-left. The page itself looks perfectly normal, diffs also show the text normally written from left to right - this is only visible when editing. If it's any help, I am using Firefox 1.5.0.9 on Windows, I have various language support modules installed (including some for right-to-left scripts like Arabic and Hebrew)...but I don't quite get why the editbox is displayed the way it is while the rest of the page is displayed normally (I guess that rules out having accidentally set the wrong text encodig in firefox). I have not clicked on "save" to see what happens, because I did not want to mess up Misza's userpage. Has anyone else ever seen this weird behavior? -- Ferkelparade &pi; 15:38, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There's probably a right-to-left mark in the editbox somewhere; direction marks are needed to write right-to-left languages, but they can get very confusing sometimes (I remember a checkuser case where a stray left-to-right mark got into the title and confused attempts to rename the page). I thought there were templates to add the marks without reversing the edit box, but I can't seem to find them at the moment. --ais523 16:00, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No panic there, everything is normal. As ais523 noted above, there indeed is a RIGHT-TO-LEFT OVERRIDE character (unicode 0x202E) hidden which effectively inverts the content of the edit box. The page itself is rendered normally, because the character is apparently not interpreted by the MediaWiki software. And as of "why?", it's just a geeky joke and at the same time a vandal/plagiarism deterrent. User:Gurch used to have the same thing on his userpage. Миша 13 16:09, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh? How does that work? I want to use it on my userpage! Sci ence man 123  talk 08:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Redirect issues
I totally messed up the Redirect I was trying to enter. I was doing a search on American comedian Wendy Liebman. Since it is often misspelled "Leibman", (it was even in the Wiki list of comedians), I tried to create the redirect but was unsucessful. Now i cannot get it back. Please help.

Thanks Alfred Ray
 * The redirect is fixed now - there were two problems with what you were trying to do:
 * First, the redirect page cannot contain anything other than the #REDIRECT foo, or the redirect will not work. The template you were trying to add seems to be deprecated, see Template Talk:R from misspelling (I was also confused about this, see the history of Wendy Leibman for evidence :P ).
 * And second, the #REDIRECT needs only to be inserted into the article you wish to redirect, not into the target article...that can remain unchanged. The way it was set up, Wendy Liebman was trying to redirect to itself :)
 * Cheers, Ferkelparade &pi; 17:54, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

why is username capitalized?
Why is my username capitalized, both in the login screen and in references in other screens? 'Spinhead', capitalized, is my web design company name; 'spinhead', all lower case, is my commonly used nickname and username. They're not the same, and the inaccuracy bothers me in print just as it bothers me in speech when someone refers to me as 'joe' when my name is, in fact, joel. Spinhead 17:49, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * You can make your signature appear lower case by adding a nickname in your preferences and you can add Lowercase-user to your userpage. You can find out more about this in the lower case first letter section of the naming conventions. Angela. 18:25, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Image Gallery Does Not Show
I am working on a article about the Danish contemporary painter Adam Saks, and i have tried to upload an image gallery. When I select edit this page and preview, and then save it, it shows correctly. However I have found that it only does so on my computer, when I try to test it on other computers the image gallery does not show, why is that? Beatle81 19:11, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have looked at the Adam Saks article on two different computers (Windows based) using two different browsers (Mozilla Firefox & IE7.0) the gallery of four pictures shows up fine on both of them. SkierRMH 21:53, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

"See also" guidance
I've spent a couple hours digging through the MoS, and can find nothing about when a "See also" section is to be used for internal links to related articles. I'd appreciate it if someone could point me in the right direction. -- &quot;J-M&quot; (Jgilhousen) 19:12, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The see also section is usually used to add links to articles that are relevant but not linked to in the text of the article. I may not be understanding your question right; let me know on my talk page if you have a more specific question or if you want to discuss anything.  Peace, delldot | talk 21:33, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Block Reasons
What does (username) mean as a block reason? Bowsy 20:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It means that the name violates the Username policy. Some usernames, like "Administrator", "Vandal", names of well-known living or recently deceased people, extremely lengthy names, names that resemble an IP address, or random sequences of letters are not allowed because they are too confusing.--Werdan7T @ 20:28, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Contacting an editor
I would like to contact the volunteer editor of the page on Winnipeg, Manitoba. I would like to offer several external links for consideration as additional resources.

--Siamandas 20:58, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * All articles are collaborated on by a number of editors, so I'd suggest leaving a note on the article's talk page (by clicking the "discussion" link at the top of the page at the article) suggesting the information you want to include. You can also be bold and edit the article yourself!  You can also find specific editors of an article by clicking the "history" link and looking through the various edits that have been made (e.g. by clicking the "last" button).  You can click on their user names and leave them messages on their talk pages.  Let me know on my talk page if you have any questions or want to discuss anything.  delldot | talk 21:25, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Borders
How do you get borders around pages in your userspace? Kamope 22:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You would have to employ HTML. I would suggest finding a userpage that you like, copying the basic code, then changing it to suit your fancy (such as using different colours, etc.)  That is, unless you happen to have time to learn HTML or are already proficient... — K  e  akealani  22:52, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Positive and Negative numbers?
What are all those positive and negative numbers sometimes seen beside names of articles (on the Recent Changes page for example) and what do they mean?SilentWind 22:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * See Added or removed characters. Tito xd (?!?) 22:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Drop Down Menu
I was wondering how to create a drop down menu for my userpage to hold my awards in. Can someone give me the code and I'll try it out? If it doesn't work I'll ask again. Thank you.  Dooms Day349  22:36, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, while I'm asking questions about my userpage, none of the links in my bio box (top left) are working. I've looked at everything but can't quite get it; can someone figure out what's up with that?  A million thanks all around.  Dooms  Day349  22:47, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


 * template:hidden might be of use to you, although I tried it in preview mode on your page and it didn't obviously do the right thing. The talk page mentions a workaround for a quirk you may run into as well.  -- Rick Block (talk) 02:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I fixed my second problem and will try out that template. Thanks.   Dooms  Day349  20:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Fixed, thank you!  Dooms Day349  21:03, 31 December 2006 (UTC)