Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2006 November 11

= November 11 =

Unnamed question
Can you spell the name NOEL in korean please..thank you!
 * This seems like something that might be more appropriate for the Reference Desk, as I don't think anyone here speaks Korean. I can also suggest that you use a search engine like Google to locate a name translator, although those are notoriously inaccurate.  As Korean does not use the Roman alphabet, it's unlikely that there is a direct spelling.  Good luck, at any rate! — K  e  akealani  01:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is a question for the WP:RD/L Language Desk, but I'll answer you this time. Noel is usually written in Hangul as 노엘. --Kjoonlee 01:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Template altered?
Recently on the talk page for Panther (legendary creature), I found the following text in the Wikiproject boxes: To the Levert Family. We are so sorry to here about Gerald. May god bless and be with you all. We all loved him. But god loves him best. Janet & HowardPanther (legendary creature) is within the scope of the Heraldry and vexillology WikiProject, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of heraldry and vexillology. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.

To the Levert Family. We are so sorry to here about Gerald. May god bless and be with you all. We all loved him. But god loves him best. Janet & HowardPanther (legendary creature) is within the scope of WikiProject Cats, Something must have gotten unintentionally changed somewhere but I can't see where. Rmhermen 01:33, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It seems to have been sorted out now. MartinDK 06:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Need redirect help
I made a mistake creating a redirect and can't seem to rectify it. . ..

I had created an article with the title "Tosca Kramer". I wanted redirects from "Tosca Berger" and from "Tosca Berger Kramer". I successfully created the redirect link from "Tosca Berger Kramer" to "Tosca Kramer", but at "Tosca Berger" I accidentally typed "Tosca Berger Kramer" instead of "Tosca Kramer" after the REDIRECT command--which I discovered upon testing the link by typing "Tosca Berger" in the search box. So--I used the back button to get back to the "Tosca Berger"edit box; changed the redirect to "Tosca Kramer"; and saved it. But the redirect still doesn't work: it still just goes to a page that says: Redirect page –> Tosca Berger Kramer.

Sorry this is wordy and confusing. In short, what I'm asking is that: When you type "Tosca Berger" in the search box, it should redirect to "Tosca Kramer".

Thanks.Emoll 03:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems to be working alright now. You might need to clear out your cache (if you can't figure that out, just restart your browser) But for future reference, at the top of the page, you'll see a small text saying "redirected from [redirected page]". You can click on that, and edit the redirect from there. Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 03:39, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Joining a Wikiproject
How do you join a project?Akid 03:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Usually you just add your name using 3 ~ to the members list.  Dooms  Day34  9  03:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

IPA for names?
I'm considering adding an IPA representation of "Yankovic" to the "Weird Al" Yankovic article, but I'm afraid it'll come off as too patronising towards those who mispronounce it as "Yankovich". What is Wikipedia's policy (if any) on IPA for people's names? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gromreaper (talk • contribs)
 * I'm not aware of a specific policy, but you can probably feel free to add it. You're right; the name is often pronounced differently, but, if you can provide a reliable source saying that "Yankovich" is wrong (shame on, you, Pat, for pronouncing it that way!), then it's relevant. If someone else has a problem, they'll probably remove it, and you can discuss it on the talk page. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 03:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * http://www.loc.gov/nls/other/sayhow.html would be a great source, btw. Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 03:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If there is a name that is easy to mispronounce (especially if it's derived from a foreign tongue), I think it would be great to have the IPA for it. If people pronounce it wrong, chances are they don't care enough to look it up and try to read the IPA, but it would be a good reference especially for non-native-english-speaking Wikipedia users. And actually, that's a fantastic idea to add to Hawaiian names... — K  e  akealani  06:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Deleting Photos I Added
How do I delete a photo that I added to Wikipedia?
 * Type this exact text to the top of the edit summary: db-g7 -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 04:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey that's what I was saying but I got an edit conflict --WikiSlasher 04:06, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

DRV Archives for February 2006
Hi there - am considering proposing an article for deletion; however, when I did so, I found that this was the second AfD; the first one, surprisingly, was ruled a "delete" back in early February 2006. Seems the article was recreated in October 2006. Before completing the 2nd AfD, I thought it prudent to ensure that it had not gone to DRV and been ruled a "keep". Unfortunately, when looking at DRV, the oldest archives I find are April 2006; the DRV was probably earlier than that, if there was one. So...the question is...how, or where can I find the DRV archives prior to April 2006? Thanks Risker 06:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia tools
I can't find any documentation on how to use Linky, a Firefox extension that is useful for navigating Wikipedia. I use it a lot, but I'm wondering what the best tricks are. Please help. Is there a central repository of Wikipedia smart keywords for Firefox? What are the 10 most useful tools for navigating or working on Wikipedia? What is the best feature of Lupin's popups? What techniques beyond the basics are there (in AutoWikiBrowser)   Th e Tr ans hu man ist   06:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You clubbed all your questions. Let me answer the ones that I can. Here's a large list of tools. I personally find the rollback feature the best in popups. I am sure others may find other features better. AWB is a very powerful tool. It has various features. If you are looking for a specific feature, you can ask here or at the talk page of AWB. There are many bots including mine using AWB to do many automated tasks. Cheers -- Lost (talk) 06:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * With Linky, you just drag lots of text (with lots of in-line links), right-click, choose Linky, and open all the links the way you want them. Works with images too. I only use Linky to open selected links in tabs; I've disabled all the other features. --Kjoonlee 08:12, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Inline citation density
It isn't clear to me how much documentation of sources is considered proper in a WP article. For instance, Diego Velázquez is my idea of an excellent article, and others must agree since it's a featured article, but it has no inline citations at all. In view of the fact that there is a list of resources at the bottom of the page, is the absence of inline cites a serious problem? By contrast, Edgar Degas was teeming with so many citations (supporting uncontroversial biographical facts) that it was nearly unreadable, so I took half of 'em out the other day, using discretion to keep any that seemed useful. I guess the question is: If a list of books used as sources is given, and the article contains no quotes or stunning affronts to conventional wisdom, is a lack (or sparseness) of inline citations a serious problem? Ewulp 08:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You seem to have it on the mark for what is and is not a needed citation. If you have a bunch of useless footnotes asserting a well-known fact (can you imagine "Apple pie is made with apples. [1][2][3][4][5]"?) then it needs some pruning or a better way to cite sources.  On the other hand, if there is a specific controversial fact, quote, or statistic that would be hard to find other than from a specific source, inline ciations are a must.  I personally think that a few inline citaions are good in every article, but it depends a lot on context.  For some, the information is simply reiterated in several books but specific facts are just put in a conglomeration.  In that case, notes at the end will suffice.  Okay, so I guess I'm rambling a bit.  It's a matter of opinion and consensus, and there is no specific guideline saying one kind of citation is better than another. — K  e  akealani  08:59, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks! Ewulp 09:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep in mind that Diego Velázquez was featured a while ago, possibly even before inline citations were possible. Citations could be of interest.--Commander Keane 10:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

why large ships don't sink
large ships are made up of very heavy metals like iron,aluminium.etcdue which weightof the ship increases to avery large extent.but still ship does not sink why?Anand 1990 02 09:53, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You should try out at the Reference desk/Science. This Help desk is for questions on using Wikipedia. Joshua   C  hi  e w 10:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Help with speedy tag
Can someone help me fix the speedy tag I placed here. I hate how bloody difficult all those tags are :( --Charlesknight 10:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I fixed it - you don't need to subst speedy deletion tags. --WikiSlasher 10:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * See this is part of the problem - I don't even understand what "Subst" means, I've read about it but I'm still none the wiser. (thanks for fixing it by the way). --Charlesknight 10:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * See WP:SUBST. I don't know how you could have substed it without already knowing about subst (since to subst db-g4 for example you need to type . Basically substing it makes the software include the contents of the template rather than the template itself in the pages code. --WikiSlasher 11:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * When you subst a template, it copies the content of that template onto the page. It's easier on the servers because it only loads the template once, but if the template is updated the page won't be. When you don't subst a template, it loads the current content of the template each time the page loads. Generally, if the material in the template might need to be updated (eg an infobox) then you shouldn't subst it. Otherwise (eg a warning message) you should. If you use a template and it messes up, trying the other method often fixes it. --Cherry blossom tree 12:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Numbered lists...
It would be awesome if I could start a numbered list from 0. Is there a way to do this or maybe I must 'fake' the list?

 MaxDZ8 talk  10:39, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid I'm not sure what you're referring to. If you're referring to the way that lists are numbered by putting an pound sign  - that's HTML, and I can't help you there. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 19:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

I mean, I have something like
 * 1) before first generation .... bla bla bla
 * 2) first generation ...
 * 3) second
 * 4) third
 * 5) fourth

It arises that a newly released document confirmed what I planned to be "fourth generation" to be officially "the fourth generation"... unluckly, it's numbered fifth. That's bad. I would like to have the list starting at 0 so both the "zero" and the "fourth" are numbered... well, consistently. I guess faking it with a table is the only way?

 MaxDZ8 talk  23:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Welding Learning Material
DO YOU HAVE WELDING LEARNING MATERIAL
 * Not learning material per se, but we have an article on welding with cool pictures in it. --WikiSlasher 11:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

How do I publish the article I created?
Hello. I recently created an article entitled "Amour d'enfants", about a 2006 Lebanese romantic comedy. But when I type "Amour d'enfants" in Google or Yahoo servers for instance, the Wikipedia page doesn't appear in the results page. Why? Thanks a lot. Orangeberry 12:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Google and Yahoo take a while to 'see' new articles, since it only happens when they Web crawler the page which can take a few days or longer. Or, the Wikipedia page might just appear a long way down in the results. --Cherry blossom tree 12:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Move causing red links?


okay...what happened?

I moved an article.

The move came through.

But...the resulting article is a red link?

And, the resulting article, when i type the name into the url, leads me to the "this articles doesn't exist" screen.

Can someone explain what happened? And why it happened? -- `/aksha 12:31, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It worked fine: Give Me a Sign the cache probably didn't update immediately or something. --Cherry blossom tree 12:38, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, it defintely doesn't for me. This has happened before, although not often. I still see it as a red link, even here. When i click on it, i get the "this article doesn't exit, click here to create..." thing. Except...when i actually click the "edit this article" link, i can view the article fine (as in i can view the raw text in the edit box). The history also shows up fine. But for some reason, the actual article doesn't show up.


 * I've tried clearing my comp's cache. I also get the same problem whether i'm logged in or not, or logged in a different account.


 * If it works for you, then i guess it's defintely a problem from my end. Any ideas what could be the problem? -- `/aksha 13:31, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it shows up fine for me. It sounds so much like a cache problem I'm not sure what else it could be. Could you try making a minor/null edit to the article? That sometimes works. --Cherry blossom tree 13:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

To get court Order
wp(c) 5497 of 2004

External Links Area
I am working on an article Ford Motor Company. There are 15 embedded External Links which are numbered. In the Manual of Style (links)) I find the following information: When an embedded HTML link is used to provide an inline source in an article, a numbered link should be used after the punctuation, like this, [3] with a full citation given in the References section. See Wikipedia:Cite sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability for more information.

When placed in the References and External links sections, these links should be expanded with link text, and preferably a full citation, including the name of the article, the author, the journal or newspaper the article appeared in, the date it was published, and the date retrieved. Was I wrong in placing the 15 links into the External Links area? If I am wrong, what should I have done? If I am correct, someone has gone back in to reverse the edits in External links.

Thank you. Regards, LarryBH
 * You should include them in the reference section, rather than the external links section, which you can do by enclosing the link in the normal text surrounded by tags as is done elsewhere in the article. See Help:Footnotes (and Footnotes) for more. --Cherry blossom tree 15:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi: Thank you for the quick response. On same line, I have a question about the above. References have a smaller bracketed number, where those above have a larger number. If I place around those large number links, the numbers become smaller. Should I have just left the large numbered links alone? or was it just a choice in the matter? If I am to go change the large numbered links to ref (small numbered), what is the purpose of those with large numbers? (I really hope that I did not make my questions sound confusing and/or stupid.)

Regards, LarryBH


 * The large numbers are simply a way of displaying external links, whereas the small ones are part of the footnoting system. It's not that the numbers become smaller but that they are replaced. The new smaller numbers link to the reference section at the bottom where the content inside the ref tags appears. This means that you can include more content about the link (eg ) without cluttering up the paragraph that displays. If this still doesn't make sense then feel free to ask again.--Cherry blossom tree 18:13, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi Cherry blossom: I thank you for the reply. I do have a much better understanding.

Best regards, LarryBH

Table of contents
Dear Wiki

Could you please instruct on how to remove the automatically added 'Contents Hide/Show' elements, which auto-appears on pages that contain long lists. Can it be done on a page by page basis?

Thanks Eddie email:  eddie@...


 * If you include the text on a page then it won't show a table of contents. --Cherry blossom tree 14:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

warnings???
This happens to be the FIRST time I have ever gone to this site! I just happen to get here by a link on cooking deep fried turkey. When I do get here, I see all these warnings. I DO NOT appreciate this at all!! Like I said, this is the first time I have ever been here and if this is the way you run your website...I'm sure it'll be the last!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 152.163.100.11 (talk • contribs) 15:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * As you haven't registered an account, Wikipedia identifies you by your IP address. As you use AOL, which often switches its customers' IP addresses every time they load a new page, you will sometimes get messages addressed to someone else who was using your IP and used it to vandalise a page. You may want to read Advice to AOL users, and consider registering an account, which will ensure that you receive no more irrelevant messages. --Sam Blanning(talk) 15:43, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Global Health
I recently posted an update to the "Global Health" page. This update doesn't appear on the page itself, however when I click edit I see the information I entered already typed in. How do I make the text appear on the website itself?

Thanks!


 * What you need to do is refresh the article page. Your browser is probably pulling up a cached copy of the article.  Dismas|(talk) 16:23, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

AOL users
Is there a way to get a message automatically added to the talk pages for IP numbers, much like the IP lookup box that appears on some now, which would refer AOL users to the "Advice for AOL users" page so that they don't come here immediately to complain? If there is somewhere else that is better to ask/request this, please provide me with a link. Thanks, Dismas|(talk) 15:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if there's a way to do so directly, but it is certainly possible to create a welcome template (like or something) that can be added quickly (but manually) to AOL users' talk pages when they are spotted. — K  e  akealani  17:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Try posting your question at Village pump (technical). Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 19:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

information for saving severel pages article from wiki free dictionary
QUESTION:what is the procedure to copy or save files,pages of a selected article which is hilighted & underlined, to my foldr on my hard-disc so that i can copy the same content on (writtable cd) & view the same content on my computer WITHOUT INTERNET CONNECTION?202.131.100.34 16:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Please see Readers' FAQ -- Lost (talk) 16:59, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

ordnance survey
any information on how to read a compass —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pebbledash (talk • contribs)
 * Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. -- Lost (talk) 18:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

mistake
[['Veni, vidi, vici From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Veni, Vidi, Vici) Music In the song "Get Back" by Ludacris, Ludacris says: "I came, I saw, I hit him right there in the jaw."'''

In the music section you say that in Ludacrises lyrics it i came i saw i hit him right there in the jaw well that is incorrect. You can search the web and you will know it is wrong.The correct lyrics are "I came,I saw, I hit him right DEAD in the jaw." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.210.27.209 (talk • contribs)
 * Then you can correct the page. Trebor 19:14, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Fixed. --ÆlfwineA bit o' wine? 19:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC) Veni, vidi, vici

Where is the code od the Cite page?
I am admin on the ln.wiki. The cite page is still in english and I translated the terms like Author, Permanent URL, APA style, .... to lingalá. Unfortunately I cannot find this terms under Special:Allmessages. Is there some who know where this terms are hidden? Thank you for any help. --Eruedin 18:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I suggest posting this question at Village pump (technical) - people there are much more knowledgeable about techinical questions.
 * Thank you --Eruedin 20:04, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

question
hi! i just can't quite seem to figure out how to format the page i'm working on or to make links or really, do any of the things the editors say i need to do. i'd like to comply, i just don't know how. i'm not good at computer language and codes and signs and such...is there an easier way to do this?

thanks!
 * No worries, I can't say I have gone a day without having to reference to the help pages for certain codes. For some of the basics try the Cheatsheet.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk)  21:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Gerald Mohr page - non appearance of uploaded photo
Hi! I e-mailed a couple of days ago about this problem on my computer and, from your response, have since gone through the all procedures described for Internet Explorer of bypassing my cache and also purging. I deleted the whole of my cache in the process, and changes cache settings, but unfortunately nothing I have done (and I have repeatedly followed the procedures to the letter) has brought the photo up onto the page, but I know it is there, as I have seen it on my office computer. Please advise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wood200 (talk • contribs)
 * Sorry, but we are probably going to need more details about your original problem. The help is done by volunteers and we don't really have a way to cross-reference your previous issue. Are you having trouble with an image displaying? Can you reply with the image name you aren't seeing? - cohesion 21:23, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I have looked back at your previous contributions and talk page; all I can say is that the article presently has exactly one photograph, Image:Gerald_Mohr_Promo_Photo_Autographed.jpg, and it is displaying properly. If you are seeing this photograph, then perhaps you're referring to another one. If not, then the problem is on your end; you could try a different browser. There also might be a rendering problem in general on Windows on your computer: if you're having trouble seeing another other photographs, this might be it. Hope this helps. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 22:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Logging in
Hello, I have created a user account today under the name "J.po" and I have been into my account and edited my preferences on wikimedia. I can't seem to log into Wikipedia though, i can only access my account from the conformation email i was sent earlier. Not sure what to do.

Thanks, Jenna
 * I might suggest reading How to log in. If that doesn't help, try back here again. Good luck. -Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 22:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

How do I make those fancy templates "This user does..."
I want to add myself as a bass guitarist wikipedian. But How do I?Ollie the Magic Skater 23:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * See this Dylan Lake (t·c· ε ) 23:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Help Me Please!QQQQ!!!
I am blocked but want unblocked for to my ass needs to believe.