Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2006 October 25

=October 25=

does ash loves misty?


 * Welcome to Wikipedia Mocho Cota! I would love to help you answer that question, but I do not know what it is in reference to. You may also want to take a look at the Reference Desk as you may be able to find the answer you're looking for there by browsing. If I can be of any more help please reply to this with some more details regarding your question. --Skywolf 01:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think he's talking about Ash from Pokemon. And no, I can't help you with that question ;) &mdash;   Da rk Sh ik ar i   talk /contribs  01:54, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

See this link, and from now on ask these questions at the Miscellaneous desk.  T H  L 

Template:Main code
Hi,

I'm currently trying to make a similar template for my wiki and I can't seem to find is there's a template for #if: i.e.  as seen in the code

Thanks
 * Try installing the m:ParserFunctions extension of MediaWiki. Tito xd (?!?) 03:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

ABout Editor
is it possible to add some more options to the editor like tab,paragraph etc..

i can give the editor sample,which contains lot of options.

now a days everybody is using the html text editor only.

thanks


 * See WP:TOOLS for a number of javascript tools you can add to your .js file if you are a registered editor. For example, I have a javascript tool added that will let me edit the lead section just like all other section seperated by headers. —Mitaphane talk 18:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

how do i edit or change an edit summary that i created?
I entered an edit summary (to a revert), but somehow it did not get my entire comment in

I tried to edit it (by doing another revert while adding the complete comment in, everything else being the same) but the complete comment wouldn't take.

Is there a way to edit an "edit summary" of an edit, or else to somehow create a new edit summary of an edit?

Thank you

Duedilly 04:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Greetings Duedilly. There is a limit of 200 characters on a summary line. You should try be detailed in what you changed but sometimes that doesn't always work. Please see Wikipedia:Edit Summary for a guide on edit summaries. Also if you need to discuss the changes you made in more detail you can do that on the article's talk page. --Skywolf 04:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You cannot change an edit summary, even if you are the one who made it; they are permanent.  T H  L  04:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Probably the reason the attempt to resolve it didn't take is that an edit which changes nothing is ignored. If you have a long commentary to make, consider adding to the talk page and including the magic words "see talk" in your edit summary. This happens quite often. Notinasnaid 07:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you much for the clarifications of this issue - notably: - an edit summary can not be directly edited - if an edit is submitted that has ONLY a new edit summary but has no changes to the (article) edit itself, the new edit and edit summary will NOT take because it is detected that nothing was changed in the edit Duedilly 15:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

how do i edit ?
Hey people.

I'm new to Wikipedia and I seem to have a problem. In the article Delicious Library there is a thing directly under the screenshot. How do I edit this? Thanks ;)

(Me-pawel 05:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC))


 * It means that someone missed a template parameter. What you should do is where you see this

then add a "| caption = foo" or leave it blank "|caption = " GeorgeMoney (talk) 05:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey thank you, it worked ;) (Me-pawel 06:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC))

Mirror sites, copyrights
I'd like to report a website that lifted partial and entire biographies of 25 famous guitarists from Wikipedia pages. My problem is that I'm unsure who I'm reporting since the information was posted in a blog which is part of an entertainment website. The website itself has copyright info at the bottom of the page but the blogger does not mention Wikipedia anywhere that I've seen. Should I go ahead and report the entertainment website or is there a different procedure when the info is contributed through a user's blog?


 * Greetings Beepackman! Wikipedia has a special page regarding these issues. You can find the Wikipedia policy regarding resusing text at Wikipedia:Copyrights. You may wish to help the user who posted the text by letting him know he should cite his source. Most of us would like to assume the user had good intentions, but he may not know the proper way to cite it. If you need further help you may reply to this or post a new section. --Skywolf 05:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Right, but I personally do not want to email the person about how he copied info from Wikipedia. I just wanted to list the website on Mirrors and forks. I read through the pages regarding those issues and I still do not understand who I am reporting. Who is violating the copyright? Is it the blogger who posted the info or the website that hosts the blog and is claiming copyright? Both?


 * You're delving into copyright law there as to who exactly is responsible. Even copying word for word or verbatim from Wikipedia articles is allowed, provided they follow the GFDL. Verbatim copying falls under section two of the GFDL. You may wish to report the violation to the website's administrator and have them deal with the user or modify the post to include the requirements. --Skywolf 06:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your help. I may have made this much more complicated than I intended. I just wanted to make sure I named the correct webpage in the alphabetical list of Mirrors and forks. I don't know if it should be listed under the name of the host website or the blog itself. It seems that I should stick to editing and leave this for someone else! Thanks, you tried.

Misc. desk archives
Where are they? I posted a question that was answered here, but now it's gone! Where did it go? --JDitto 05:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * See Reference desk/Archives. Go to the appropriate link depending on when you asked the question -- Lost (talk) 05:54, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! Have a great day! --JDitto 06:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Buying Stock
I would like to buy stock into your company but I don't know if this is being offered yet. Can you please clarify this for me. I appreciate it. I am interested in buying stock but I am understanding that you are not yet on the public market. If you do not know how to answer this question, please send me an email address of someone who does.

Jonathan Pineda  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pineda03 (talk • contribs) 06:17, October 25, 2006 (UTC).


 * The Wikimedia Foundation is a non-profit organization, and thus cannot issue stock. Sorry. --Slowking Man 06:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Art Pictures
Hello, I am interested in uploading some scan/photos of artworks from well and little known painters and other Artists, under what liscence do I upload these? Thankyou in advance, Dfrg.m s c 1. 2 . 3 08:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Greetings! scans and photos of artworks would still fall under the original artworks copyright, if the copyright has expired then you may choose to make the decision, since you took the photo or scanned the image. For help with applying the correct tags, see Image_copyright_tags --Skywolf 08:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool, so what would I tag the image: Art, Life and the other thing by Brett Whitely, with? Dfrg.m s c 1 . 2 . 3 08:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm no expert on image and artwork copyrights, but I do tend to go on the side of caution. Since the artist is still alive, still producing works and seeing I can't find information on the website about the artworks status I would contact the artist prior to posting pictures or scans of his work on Wikipedia. --Skywolf 08:54, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Formatting
What do I have to do to change font colour and size? And how do I create userboxes? Littleghostboo 08:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd only recommend changing font colour and size on a userpage, but here are some examples: click on the [edit] link next to the section heading to see what to write.

Big text

Small text

Coloured text (old and slightly obsolete method)

The new method that can combine the above if needed
 * As for userboxes, Userboxes gives instructions. --ais523 08:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Littleghostboo 09:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

De facto majority of editors in certain articles
Hi. Myself and a few like-minded editors form a de facto majority on many South Africa-related articles, and often tend to agree on various POV and content disputes and the like. While each of us claim to be correctly applying the relevant policies and only doing what's best for the 'pedia, it does not foster good relations with other editors when their views are over-ridden by the consensus (regardless of the correctness with which policies are applied). This has been raised by one of the "minority" editors who feels that we are controlling the info that goes into these articles. Is there any recourse that can be taken? Should I submit an RfC or something? (Affected articles: Talk:South African farm attacks‎, Talk:2010 FIFA World Cup, Talk:Crime Expo South Africa, Redirects for discussion/Log/2006 October 11) Note: this is not meant to be a discussion on whether the actions taken were correct, but rather on what can be done about the current situation. Zunaid 09:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Greetings Zunaid, the information you're looking for may be located at Resolving_disputes. It is recommended of course, that individuals and parties discuss changes on the talk pages of articles, and come to an agreement there. However there are times when mediation is neccesary. Please take a look at Resolving_disputes and see if these options may be right for you. --Skywolf 09:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Discussing changes is all good and well, but the reality is that the majority of editors lean towards one way of thinking, rendering any discussion essentially meaningless. As long as the majority motivate their actions by correctly citing policies and guidelines, the minority view will never be followed EVEN IF they have valid view. IMHO this has not been the case in every dispute, but it could be that some decisions might have gone the other way if the numbers were more equal.Zunaid 11:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Zunaid, this is what is called a systemic bias. One option is to take this to WikiProject Countering systemic bias. However, since most interested editors are already involved, I am not sure if that will really help. What will help is citing from very reliable sources and trying to maintain NPOV even if you are on the majority side. Ultimately there may be more editors on the (current) minority side who may anyway make the article NPOV. (called eventualism in Wikipedia parlance) -- Lost (talk) 11:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the responses so far. I am quite au fait with systemic bias etc, and for sure we definitely stick to our reading of WP:NPOV (which along with WP:V is the main tool for removing/rewriting statements in articles). I guess the question then becomes who polices the police?. Zunaid (T•C) please rate me! 14:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

help
after creating a new page called "pie_movie" and editing it it works for a while but then seems to disapear, when using the search function. "pie movie" eg: 5 mins after i save chances it works but then it comes to a search not found type of page where it gives the option to create a "pie_movie" page, why does it keep auto deleting itself ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sbech2 (talk • contribs)
 * The article has been deleted by admins thrice. Please dont recreate it unless you can establish notability for it. Please see the reasoning by admins in this link. -- Lost (talk) 12:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

How exactly is notability acheived ? for example lets say a movie like jackass, how is its notability acheived ? Sbech2 12:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Jackass is a major motion picture released in commercial theaters made from a popular television series. It has been reviewed by major newspapers. Millions of people can tell you the names of the Jackass crew, and so on. That is why it is notable and verifiable through reliable sources. The content you are creating, I gather, is a homemade movie posted by you or someone you know on YouTube. It is thus apparently known only by you, your friends, and those who come across it on YouTube. It needs to become notable in the wider world and written about by others in order to have an article here.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Even though it's still under discussion, there is a draft guideline on notability for films. It might give you an idea of what is expected: Notability (films). The main notability page is also a useful read. &mdash; QuantumEleven 13:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Article not viewed on result page.
I wrote an article, namely Pandoh Lake. When I click on Go, the page is appeared but when I click on Search, the link for that article is not viewed. May I know why? Sushant gupta 12:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The database can take a few weeks to catalogue entries so that they are found through search, whereas the go button links directly to articles. You might find the faq of very frequently asked questions useful.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Contact.
How do i contact a user?? i want to contact Peter Znamenskiy...i want to know about molecular biology. how do contact him??????

I am Amukta...email is (email removed) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amukta (talk • contribs)
 * Is Peter a user of Wikipedia? If he is, then just go to his user talk page and contact him. If he isnt, then Wikipedia is not the place to try to get in touch with him. -- Lost (talk) 12:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * (you were faster than me, Lostintherush! :))
 * On his user page User:Peter Znamenskiy, in the toolbar on the left hand side, there is a link to "E-Mail this user". Click it. If you are trying to find out about molecular biology, have you looked at our article molecular biology? &mdash; QuantumEleven 12:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

book search
do you have the book "Counsel for kings" by mohammed al-ghazaliMusa yusuf 13:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This is an encyclopedia. We dont have books although our sister project Wikibooks does. -- Lost (talk) 13:38, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Help with adding URL
I've tried adding some links to the "Cruwys Morchard" page on Devon. They are all done in the same format and all the URLs are correct but the first URL I've added (a link to the Genuki Cruwys Morchard page) doesn't seem to work though it all seems to be in the required format. What am I doing wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dahliarose (talk • contribs)
 * The link you added is defunct or wrong. Nothing wrong with the way you added it. -- Lost (talk) 13:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

The URL is correct. I've checked and double-checked it. If you take the URL and insert it in your browser it works perfectly so I don't understand why it won't work on the Wikipedia page. Dahliarose
 * No, your URL is broken because you added an extra slash at the end of the URL. This breaks both your first and last links. &mdash;   Da rk Sh ik ar i   talk /contribs  13:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Yeah Dark Shikari is right. I just corrected it. -- Lost (talk) 13:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you both for your help. It's very odd because I followed the format on another page (Woodbury, Devon) which included the final slash and the final slash is included in my other URLs so it does seem odd that it doesn't work in this instance. At least it works now!Dahliarose 14:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Let me correct the above statement. The address where the link points is without the slash, thats the reason the link did not work previously. So the formatting would be correct if the website address had the slash in it -- Lost (talk) 14:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

That's what I don't understand. Now that the final slash has been removed the link works. It didn't work before when the final slash was included. The other two URLs I included both work with the final slash. Dahliarose 14:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It probably depends on the software the web server is running. Some types of web hosting software might accept the extra slash, while others might not. &mdash;   Da rk Sh ik ar i   talk /contribs  16:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * To clarify further, there's a difference between http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/ .Hope this clarifies -- Lost (talk) 16:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

It's all very odd. I've just been playing around in the Sandbox:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tutorial_%28Related_site_links%29/sandbox#External_links

The links to Ashreigney work with or without a slash whereas the Cruwys Morchard and Great Torrington links only work without a slash. Dahliarose 19:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Bad Redirect
Why does I.Q. High redirect to Duck Dodgers?
 * If you feel that it should not, please click here and start editing appropriately. I have no idea about either of the links so I dont know if it is appropriate -- Lost (talk) 14:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks like the redirect isn't completely off. Dr. I.Q. High is the one who sends Duck Dodgers on his mission to claim Planet X in the name of humanity.  He is not mentioned in the article, though, so it might confuse people unfamiliar with the Duck Dodgers in the 24½th Century episode.  However, I can't imagine why anyone would search for "I.Q. High" otherwise.

Confused about Shared IP Vandalism.
Should I bother warning shared IP's owned by schools? I've come across many IP's that have an increadibly long User Talk pages for some of these schools that have over 20 warnings. It just makes me wonder if I should just revert it and continue looking for other vandalism instead of spending time to post a warning on their User Talk page; since the information I've seen regarding actions taken against these IPs is hazy. Really just looking for confirmation that any action at all is taken against these vandals so I don't waste time warning them.. --Bluesquareapple 14:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's a good idea to keep a record of vandalism, if there is a case where a block is needed. If there's a persistent vandalism coming from a particular school, a block is probably a good idea, with signed-in accounts enabled.  Don't know for sure, though. — K  e  akealani  15:59, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

made a mistake
Hi - I mis-read the intent of a web page specific to the Pacific Ocean, and changed some critical numbers to reflect the global ocean. I don't know the correct numbers for the Pacific. How can I return to the version of that page that was posted as of 10AM EDT on October 25, 2006?
 * If you click on the date of an old revision in the article's edit history, then click "edit this page" at the top, you should be able to edit the older version of the article. After that, type in an edit summary and click save.  More information is available at WP:RV.  jd || talk || 15:52, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It would appear that somebody else has already reverted your edit. jd || talk || 15:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

School use
I am using wikipedia in my web design class.

What is the best way to set this up for log-ins and monitoring of changes?

Wikipedia is only allowing 6 accounts to be created per day. That makes it tough. is there any way to speed this up?

Any other suggestions for logistics? I couldnt find a page about this.


 * I don't have any specific answers, but Schools' FAQ and School and university projects are links that may give you some general information. -- Nataly a 16:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I couldnt find anything there to get around the issues. Any other ideas?BrandtSchneider 16:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia only allows 6 accounts to be created per day per IP address so if you have access to a different IP address (at home, in a library or (depending on how your school's system works) just on a different computer) then you can create more. If you need to create a massive number then you might be able to get help from a developer by asking here. I know that User:Fuzheado has done a lot of projects like this in the past, so he might be better qualified to answer any specific questions. Thanks. --Cherry blossom tree 16:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

just a comment
now i was just at mathematical chemistry and the only words there were matheeatical chemistry is a part of theoretical chamistry

no help at all

i believe that if you are going to start a article it shouldn't include less that 1 paragraph

now tell me if im wrong —Preceding unsigned comment added by Technodude (talk • contribs)
 * Wikipedia is a collaborative encyclopedia. As long as articles adhere to Policies and guidelines, they can be on Wikipedia. A one line article not providing sufficient information is classified as a Stub. A stub acts as the beginning of a potentially good article. Feel free to expand it and make it a better article if you have the knowledge. -- Lost (talk) 16:52, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Adding a New Category
Hello and thanks for a great site!

I'm directly involved in the sonic drilling industry as the communications and marketing director for the company that holds the patent on this technology. We are trying to educate others and also establish the correct history behind the advent of sonic drilling technology which is still quite new. I have made a small contribution to the Auger Drilling category which redirects to Drilling Rig and under the various listings on this page there is one for Sonic Drilling. I've contributed some information there.

However, to be accurate, sonic drilling should not come under Auger Drilling. It is a completely different technique and does not use an auger of any type. All other drilling methods can fit under the head category of Auger but not ours. Would you consider the creation of a new category called Sonic Drilling? If so, then I have included a history of its development for your consideration below. There are also photos available on one of our sites at www.sonicdrilling.com.

History of Sonic Drilling

The roots of sonic drilling technology can be traced back to the early efforts of George Constantinesco, a Romanian intellectual who immigrated to England in 1910.

Constantinesco formulated the “Theory of Sonics” which was published by the British Admiralty in 1913 and, during that same year, he demonstrated a prototype of a rock drill working on a percussion system, with much success. Unlike pneumatic drills, Constantinesco’s vibratory prototypes were capable of quietly and smoothly boring through hard granite rock.

Less than 20 years later, another Romanian became interested in sonic vibrations. In 1930, encouraged by the work of Constantinesco, Romanian engineer Dr. Ion Basgan applied sonic vibrations to the drill pipe string of a conventional drilling rig. Amazingly, the result was increased drill depth and speed. The drill was also able to bore a truly vertical hole without distortion, which was not always possible with other methods.

Bore holes using this method were drilled at the Moreni oil fields of Romania in 1938 and Basgan received patents on this technique in Romania and the USA. Eventually, this led to interest in developing sonic drilling in the USA by the oil industry during the 1940’s and 1950’s.

Initial research and development of the rotary-vibratory drill began in the United States in 1946. For the first few decades, sonic rig research, conducted by Drilling Research Inc. (DRI), was developed almost exclusively for use in the petroleum industry with the intent of speeding up drill times.

Although a lack of funding ended DRI’s research in 1958, American inventor Albert Bodine continued development work on high-powered vibratory machines for various applications including drilling. Most of his efforts (funded by Shell Oil) were directed at large vibratory pile driving machines although his organization eventually developed a smaller vibrator for seismic shot-hole drilling.

Funding for the project ended in the late 1960’s and, in the early 1970’s, Bodine sold his drilling and pile driving equipment to Hawker Siddeley, a British aircraft manufacturer with Canadian offices. As a result, renewed efforts to develop the vibratory pile driver and drilling rig came to Canada.

One of the first persons hired for the Hawker Siddeley design team was a young mechanical engineer named Ray Roussy. While the team’s initial efforts focused on the pile driving equipment, later work concentrated on adapting the vibratory shot-hole driver to general shallow earth drilling.

From 1974 to 1983, approximately 12 rigs using early sonic technology were constructed and used in different applications. Unfortunately, these first machines experienced frequent breakdowns and lacked appropriate tooling to withstand the associated vibratory forces.

The recession of the early 1980’s discouraged Hawker Siddeley from continuing development work in this field. However, the original sonic rig heads and drill rigs built by Hawker Siddeley are still used today.

Ray Roussy left Hawker Siddeley in 1980 to continue development work on the Sonic drill head and to adapt it to different applications. Roussy also serviced and upgraded the original Hawker Siddeley drill heads to make them more reliable. He also constructed a number of additional sonic drill heads that were similar.

To prove the usefulness of this new technology to the subsurface exploration industry and to carry out long-term reliability testing of his equipment, Roussy built a sonic drill head and drill rig for himself and formed his own contracting company, Sonic Drilling Ltd.

As a result of Roussy’s 26 years of research and development efforts, he was awarded a number of US patents for his improvements to sonic drilling technology. Today, Roussy is president of Sonic Drill Corporation, a company which manufactures a product line of sonic drilling rigs utilizing the world’s most advanced and tested sonic drill heads.

With his patented technology in use around the world, Roussy can claim credit for not only improving on the efforts of those who went before him but of finally bringing a highly-sophisticated sonic drill to market.

Offering unparalled performance in overburden soil conditions, the Sonic drill head can drill three to five times faster than any other on the market – all without the use of drilling mud and with 70-80% less waste. Sonic drills can also provide continuous undisturbed core samples to a depth of 300 feet – a significant advantage over all other drills. Mounted with the “Roussy sonic drill head,” these rigs have become well-known favorites for use in environmental investigations and geothermal drilling projects.

Thank you for your time and consideration, Nancy Argyle 17:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi, if you would like to create an article on Sonic drilling (just click the link and start editing), feel free to. Just keep in mind that it would be good to have other sources than your website. If the content for the article comes solely from your site, some editors might think the article is spam. —Mitaphane talk 18:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Article apparently deleted, and I don't know why
I wrote up an article for the Pacific Northwest Herpetological Society. But all the links the article now come up telling me that Wikipedia doesn't have a page with that exact name. I looked through the Articles for Deletion but I didn't find anything, and I never recieved an email about it or anything. Can someone help me out here and tell me what happened? We thought the history and description of PNHS would make a good article.


 * Here's the AFD discussion. Looks like notability was the main issue. If you have any reliable source to back up the article, or a reason for it's importance, perhaps more editors would support it. —Mitaphane talk 18:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

How to delete my account?
I would like to change my login name. So I would like to delete my account first. Could you please tell me how? Thank you!
 * Accounts generally can't be deleted. Its a lot easier to just tag your userpage and talk page with  and create a new account. &mdash;   Da rk Sh ik ar i   talk /contribs  19:15, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You can see Changing username for more information. Harryboyles 06:18, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Deleted - The Last Alliance Website
The Last Alliance website I am posting to question the deletion of the entry for the Last Alliance website, a site for those followers of Games Workshops Lord of the Rings strategy battle games. For me it clearly meets the criteria set out and the objections of notability and spamming are clearly invalid. Regarding the issue of notability the site has been featured in a number of issues of an international magazine White Dwarf(which sells 80000 copies a month in the UK alone). Its administrators are consulted by Games Workshop on a regular basis and have been involved in much of the evolution of the games to the extent that they were called upon to represent Lord of the Rings gaming in a special anniversary edition of White Dwarf. The TLA has run worldwide online campaigns which have proved to be far more successful than Games Workshops own .The site currently has more than 9500 members. All of this was evidenced. As to the charge of spamming or self promotion I find this laughable. Whilst Chris and I are members of the site neither of us work for it or administrate it. To hold us responsible of spamming would be to find huge swaths of wikipedia spam. Anyone who has any involvement in a topic could be seen as spamming. If this site's wikki is deemed to be invalid might I question the following wikis on the same topics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_of_LoTRs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Council http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheeseweb

These are all far less notable even within the gaming society, have far fewer members - one had just 56 people involved - and provide far less evidence of their worth or impact. They contain factual errors. Now please note I am not asking for the withdrawal of these sites. Merely I suggest if these have been ok then why is not The Last Alliance Website?

I understand that the first draft of the page was poor and did not meet wikipedia's standards for entries. However the final version which was that deleted clearly did meet the requirements. I feel that this entry has been the victim of editors who do not know or understand gaming and have made decisions based upon this lack of knowledge.

Madusmatus
 * Then bring the issue to WP:DRV, where it belongs. Also note that "Wikipedia has far less notable sites" is not a valid reason for keeping an article. &mdash;   Da rk Sh ik ar i   talk /contribs  19:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Also checkout WP:WEB for guideline for website coverage within the wikipedia. Many websites, especially ones that are limited to niches, just do not have any secondary sources, thus calling to question whether it can pass WP:V without violating WP:OR. From the looks of the deletion log, it looks like the article was deleted as "blatant advertising." Before going through with anything, you might want to make sure there are credible sources to backup information about the website. —Mitaphane talk 02:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Suspect image copyright violations
Could somebody please take a look at these images? Which have been uploaded and put on the Huddersfield article. Image:Waterfront Huddersfield 2.jpg. This image is an artists impression copied from [:http://www.waterfrontquarter.co.uk/]. The website page states 'copyright 2006', but does not appear to give permission to copy them. Image:Castle hill.jpg which has been copied from [:http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/photo93191.htm]. A further image Image:Kingsgate Huddersfield.jpg has been put up which has no source. Richard Harvey 19:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello Richard. We appreciate you helping Wikipedia out. I have checked on the images you linked and on Image:Waterfront Huddersfield 2.jpg and Image:Castle hill.jpg I have put up copy violation tags, I hope the users that submitted these works can give us more details on why they are fair use. I can not locate a source for Image:Kingsgate Huddersfield.jpg an have asked the user to post where he got it from. In the future you can help us by taking a look at Copyright_problems.
 * Remember, we assume good faith on the part of the poster, and copyright can be difficult to prove. --Skywolf talk/contribs 20:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Infobox
I need to make an infobox and after playing in the sandbox until I nearly went crazy, I've given up. I need to make an infobox for an album with three seperate chronological boxes. What's wrong with this?

You'll have to click edit to see it properly... Dark j e  di requiem  19:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It looks like the templates are nested. I think this is what you want.—Mitaphane talk 20:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Had problem. Please do not take down my article on Tracy Pratt
The computer I am using experienced some problem that deleted my sign-in function(I had signed in), so I ask for you to not take down the stub of former NHL defenceman Tracy Pratt I have submitted. Corey Bryant 20:09, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Articles won't be deleted if you can't sign in, don't worry. It meets WP:BIO and I no reason why it would be deleted. Thanks for contributing! --Wooty Woot? &#124; contribs 21:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

CSD tag
someone able to help me out with the tag I put here, it does not seem to have added it self to the CSD list? --Charlesknight 20:56, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That article was already speedily deleted.--Fuhghettaboutit 21:54, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

infobox
How do i create my own infobox? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Giltramirez (talk • contribs) 17:55, October 25, 2006 (UTC)
 * Just find an infobox you like, click edit, copy the code, place on the target page and change the parameters to suit your needs. If you'd like to explore blank infoboxes, see Category:Infobox templates--Fuhghettaboutit 22:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

How to block a user
There is a user User talk:12.27.243.6 who continually chooses to vandalize and spam various pages. Please let me know how to do it or let someone can block him do it. He is been given numerous warnings and refuses to follow them.
 * Report at WP:AIV after 4 warnings over a 24 hour period. --Alex (Talk) 23:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily four, but a warning that the user may be blocked, such as bv, test3 or test4 is usually required (as the threat often stops them). The user has actually received one today so if he repeats his behaviour, he can be blocked. If vandalism is especially blatant, it's not always sensible to go through every single warning level. --Sam Blanning(talk) 00:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, when it is something that is blatantly vandalism like "INSERT NAME is gay", then just leave or  on their talk page. That way the next time they do it an admin (or you, if you fit that description) can block them without further trouble. Like Sam mentioned, the warning is typically enough; especially if they know what warnings are required for them to be blocked.  T  H  L  01:58, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Follow-up question: When should you use "subst" with the template or not? Newyorkbrad 01:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Follow-up question 2: According to his talk page, he was be given four warnings all the way to test4 and nothing has been done about it, now what?
 * Subst any templates that should remain static, unchanging. Any templates you add to someone's usertalk should be substituted. If someone is past a test4, report it to AIV. It has to be somewhat recent though, or there should be evidence that it's the same person; many ISPs shuffle users among IP addresses, so it may not the be the same person who was issued the test4. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 02:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * For specific questions as to when to when to substitute, one may consult Template substitution, which delineates the arguments for and against substitution generally and enumerates those templates that should always be substituted. Joe 18:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)