Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 August 16

= August 16 =

How do I start a page?
How do I start my own Wikipedia page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Phanson55 (talk • contribs).
 * Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Your first article and How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter 01:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Type in the title of the page you want to create. There will be read link saying "You can create this page." Click on it, add your content, and press save. Recurring dreams 11:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Amending comments in an article's history
Hi! I recently reverted some vandalism to the R. Kelly article, but when adding a comment about my edit, I erroneously accused Lucas.tej of adding the vandalism; this comment is now visible in the history for that article. I can't see a way to correct this comment. The next best thing I can think to do is make a trivial edit to the article, and comment there that the previous comment is to be ignored? Not sure what to do. In the mean time, I've added an apology to Lucas.tej's talk page. -Kfor 00:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, making a dummy edit is a useful way to say something important in an edit summary. Edit summaries cannot be edited. Edits can be removed from the history by a few people in special cases but this is far from qualifying for that. PrimeHunter 00:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Dummy edit made, should be settled now. Thanks for the response! -Kfor 17:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Can I change the name of a page?
I finished creating a small article for a new development company that has just announced their first game. The company is "Blazing Lizard" and I foolishly created the page name just as it is. It's a generic name and I have no idea what the process could be to change it to something such as "Blazing Lizard, Inc."...much like what was done with Volition. Is there a process that I can follow to help try and fix this?Voracious Reader 01:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * See WP:MOVE. However, my first guess would be that Blazing Lizard is an OK title because it is not likely to be the title of an article about anything else (as the word volition would be). Of course my first guess could be wrong. But if nobody is screaming at you to rename the page, I'd leave it as is for now and see if it survives the initial high-risk period for infant mortality for new articles here. --Teratornis 01:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Images needed?
I've been editing here for a while now, but I have a question: Does a GA or FA need images? I'm certain I've seen something saying that they don't somewhere, but I can't remember where. Most of the images for the article I'm editing are copyrighted and I can't find free images (I've checked commons), so am at a loss as to what to do. If articles need images, then it's never going to make GA or FA status. Please help... Cheers, Spawn Man 02:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Good and featured articles should have images where possible. The articles may contain non-free images, when necessary. --Sopoforic 03:00, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Check out Good article criteria and Featured article criteria. -- Jreferee  (Talk) 05:50, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Help with ref tag
I just learned ref for the first time, and I don't see why it isn't working on just this one page. [] It seems like I'm using it the same way as elsewhere. The number shows, but not the footnote below. -- Minivet 02:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I've fixed it. You need to add a references section containing reflist or in order to tell the software where to place the references. --Sopoforic 02:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * use of the references / seems to be preferred by many. Clicking "edit this page" and seeing the source code is an easy way to learn (particularly if you study the longer articles). Specialjane 03:18, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

libel and possibly hurtful material about third party at wikiFinland
I recently edited one English article (Spacepol) and then wrote three new ones about the company and its founder in Finnish Wikipedia. There was deserved criticism of sources I provided temporarily and about lack of sources, which I was planning to take care of. However, when they set up a delete vote and comments started pouring in the resulting content in these discussions was seriously libelous, assuming without fact that the person I wrote about had written the articles about himself, that he had feigned his credentials and that the company/founder were basically dishonest and irresponsible (all without any credible sources and just assumed). So I am fearing a lawsuit for something that was never my intention and can't get the Finns to do anything about the libelous content which is against Wikipedia's basic policies on such, including living persons. The users involved also started sending unsolicited e-mail queries to the company's partners (original research, bothersome) and others have also commented about personal attacks on the person the articles are written about. Also the Finnish Wikipedia does not properly control these discussions or expunge them afterward in accordance with Jimbo's and others recommendations. They archive them indefinitely. The English article is "Spacepol", the Finnish ones (also their discussion and deletion votes) are "spacepol", "Gunnar K. A. Njålsson" and "Njålsson - suku". As I say the Finns have not intervened even in the most libelous and unresponsible comments and it is clear that those who visit the page and then vote are strongly influenced by what has been said earlier in the discussion (the libel material)! This is very serious! hans -- 03:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * English Wikipedia does not have control over the Finnish Wikipedia. The community there does. If they're endorsing activity that violates Foundation issues, then you could take the discussion to Meta, but there's not a lot we can do here. ~Kylu ( u | t )  03:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Spacepol is listed at AfD. -- Jreferee  (Talk) 05:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

new article
how do you make a new article over something thats not even registered here? --Zuki2love 04:09, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean.  Singu larity  04:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

You can simply put the term in, and click the red "create page" link, Should be easy, but if you need assistance, do not hesitate to post a note on my talk page. Hope I can helpN734LQ 03:23, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * See Help:Starting a new page. You'll probably also want to read Your first article. --Sopoforic 04:14, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Add content in Wikipedia
Help me in adding the content in wikimapia. I want to add some informations in wikimapia and I'm unable to get the link to add. I'm very new in this and hence need your help and assistance in adding the contents.

Thanks. Sanjay Sharma
 * I'm not sure if I understand your question completely. If you are looking to add something to Wikimapia, you will need to seek help there. This help desk is for questions about the use of Wikipedia. I would suggest going to wikimapia.org, hovering over "Wikimapia" in the top-left corner, and selecting "Wikimapia FAQ". If you need more help, the reference desk may be able to help.
 * If you are looking to add content to Wikipedia, then take a look at Help:Starting a new page and Your first article. --Nick—Contact/Contribs 07:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Deleting an article entry by an IP.
Hi, is it possible to delete a given article version changed by an IP (in this case, myself logging in from work and not wanting to have an eternally trace to my workplace) and the editing history for this certain IP? ArtiPenna 07:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, under the terms of the GFDL (Wikipedia is licensed under its terms), all edits must be attributed to their contributors. As such, the contribution history of an IP cannot be edited. --Nick—Contact/Contribs 07:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the diff could be deleted, yes. The editing history can only be deleted if all of the individual edits are deleted, but that will probably not be done unless they are vandalism. However, unless there is a way to trace the IP to you, there is no need to remove it. i said 07:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Could then the mention of the IP from this single edit be replaced with my regular nick, so the IP isnt visible any more? The IP can certainly be traced back to me, and to my other entries with my usual nickname, if my employer would stumble upon it. The IP could be reported to my employer by the other participants of this... well, flamewar. (The entry in question is actually not part of an article, and this not necesserily copyrightable, so that the GFDL would hinder its renaming or removal, but a single revert from an Afd discussion.) ArtiPenna 07:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Regarding the editing history of the IP, not _all_ entries should be removed, but only a single one which can be traced back to me and my edit, which was an single revert without a copyrightable contribution. But the IP can easily be linked to the nickname, under which numerous other entries have been done, which is what I would like to prevent, if any of the participants from this flamewar decides to do so. ArtiPenna 08:00, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess only an administrator can tell you that then. They can delete individual edits, but will usually only do so if there is no GFDL consequence, and there is cause to. Without knowing what edit you're referring to, I cannot say. So you'll have to get an admins input. i said 08:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Would you like me to see if it can be done? You can email the link to [mailto:Prodego@gmail.com Prodego@gmail.com], or through Special:Emailuser/Prodego. Prodego  talk  22:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * To have the IP deleted, try Requests for oversight. -- Jreferee  (Talk) 06:56, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

scanner for wikipedia
Dear Sir, or Madam, We read in today's paper there is a scanner process to see who has altered references(publicity about CIA and R.C. church)etc. How can we we have access to this "Wikipedia scanner"(scanning)results? Thanks, in anticipation of your response,hjkl 16August2007
 * I don't really understand the question, as far as I am aware there is no "wikipedia scanner" but if you are looking for the information on who has edited an page on wikipedia, click on the history tab.-- Kerotan Talk  Have  a nice day :) 08:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Is this related? x42bn6 Talk Mess  10:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * See Wikipedia Scanner. The scanner website is here: . Recurring dreams 11:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

"...in a signal of how tempting it can be for interested parties to amend articles, Jimmy Wales, the Wikipedia founder, himself ran into controversy in 2005, when he admitted editing his own Wikipedia entry. " MarkinBoston 15:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

when signing my name
Something is wrong. When I type the 4 tildes Oidia 12:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC) to sign my name, my name doesn't become a link to my user page. Is there is way to fix it? Oidia 12:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You probably have 'raw signature' in your preferences checked. Uncheck it and things should work. --Sopoforic 12:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Oidia (talk) 03:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Article history split/incomplete page move
When a user correctly changed Ingrid Hoffman to Ingrid Hoffmann because of a spelling mistake, they did not use the Move command and so the former article's history was left behind. Would it be possible to merge the histories and complete the move? There is also now a blank talk page at Talk:Ingrid Hoffman. María ( críticame ) 12:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It requires an administrator. You can make a request at Cut and paste move repair holding pen. PrimeHunter 13:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks! María ( críticame ) 13:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

R.W. Norton Art Gallery
Dear Sir/Madame,

The R.W. Norton Art Gallery is located in Shreveport, LA. The Art Gallery is a non-profit with a mission to enhance the knowledge of Western and European Art to the Shreveport, Louisana and surrounding areas.

I am the I.T. director for the facility, I need to inquire about being able to hook into Wikipedia's database from the Gallery's database, which employs a dynamic linking system for like search words or terms.

Sincerely,

Keyvan Shahrdar, I.T. Director R.W. Norton Art Gallery 318-865-4202 Ext. 116 keyvan@rwnaf.org
 * I'm not sure what you mean by "hook into Wikipedia's database." You may wish to read:
 * Mirrors and forks
 * WP:DUMP
 * Wikipedia in academic studies
 * Researching Wikipedia
 * WikiProject Wikidemia
 * User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia - information about querying Wikipedia's database
 * to see if any of those pages address whatever you have in mind. If those pages do not help, you could ask us again and be more specific about what you want to do. --Teratornis 17:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Company to contact to improve articles
i wish to update and improve an entry on wikipedia as i consider it an excellent site. however, i am not at all technically orientated! do you know anyone or any company who you can suggest i contact who can program wikipedia entry for me if i give them the source material? Ray -- 13:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There are no companies that write Wikipedia articles. Try posting a request at WP:RA. Lara ♥Love 14:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If you've got sources for improving a specific article, try posting them on the article's talk page. If it's a quieter article, you may also want to see if the talk page has a banner for any WikiProject that might be able to help you. Confusing Manifestation 22:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

How to download videoes (example, anime videoes that are uploaded.)
i want to download detective conan episodes, but i have no idea how. i tried to look for it for at least an hour, and i have no luck. how can i download an uploaded video?


 * Hi! Sorry, but as far as I am aware, there are no videos on Wikipedia, especially Detective Conan episodes, as that would be a copyright violation. If you are not referring to Wikipedia, then please note this is the place to ask questions about using Wikipedia. :-)  Stwalkerster  talk 14:21, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Is it possible then that you have links to stream videos?

or videos the site already has, that can be streamed?


 * We can only offer freely licensed videos for download or streaming, and it is against policy to link to videos which violate copyright. There are some freely licensed videos which we offer here, but they are not likely to be of interest to you. --Sopoforic 14:40, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Copyright
I know it is considered copyrighting to copy info from another website and put it on Wikipedia, but what if the info is translated into another language before being put on Wikipedia? AJSDA115 14:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You still have to quote the text and attribute it to the source. Lara ♥Love 14:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So as long as I cite my sources, is it ok? AJSDA115 15:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * As I unederstand it, a direct translation of a copyrighted work is subject to the copyright of the original work. You may use the resulting translation only in the ways that you would be allowed to use the original work. For example, you may use a brief quote in a article about the work. You cannot in in general use a long direct translation of a copyrighted work unless you have permission of the copyright holder. -Arch dude 16:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Template help
I am trying to update the Template:Soccerbase (manager) template to include an accessdate= parameter. i think it needs to be overhauled to try and include this and use the #if syntax. Can anyone help me with this? I have attempted to do it at User:Woodym555/Aston Villa Sandbox but think it is a bit of a failure at the moment. Thanks. Woodym555 14:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Deleting uploads
how to delete an upload? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ArchivalMethods (talk • contribs)


 * You can add the template db-author to the image page, and an administrator will come around to delete it shortly. Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 15:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * If you are talking about an image, :[[Image:Family Photo.pdf]], you can put a db-noimage tag on it if you think it is an empty or corrupted image. If not the image will be deleted eventually due to its lack of a license tag. Hope this helps Woodym555 17:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Requested move
Would an admin move Rational emotive behavior therapy to Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy? Sethie 16:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Done. Next time, you might use Requested moves. :) PeaceNT 16:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, since you are logged in, you can also move it yourself, per instructions at WP:MOVE. You don't need to be an admin.-- <tt> Max </tt>  Talk [ (+)] 22:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In this case there was a redirect at the target and an admin was needed to delete it first. PeaceNT is an admin and pointed to the recommended place for requested moves. PrimeHunter 22:56, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, the article has moved in a circle: Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy to Rational-emotive therapy to Rational emotive behavior therapy and back to Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy. There has also been an article at Rational Emotive Therapy but that was merged into the circle when it was at Rational emotive behavior therapy. Confused? PrimeHunter 23:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Special Signatures?
I've noticed that some Wikipedians seem to have a special signature when they sign. Half of their name leads to their userpage, while the other half leads to their talk page. How do they do this? I think it'd be useful for me to post this way, as it'd quicken up the time it'd take for someone to view my talkpage. TheInfinityZero 16:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hey, that's because users like to customize their signatures. You need to know how to work well with the complicated code, (I cannot explain in details, as I'm totally ignorant about this) or you might request for a fancy signature at User talk:NikoSilver/Signature shop. Best, PeaceNT 16:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I just found out this page: How to fix your signature, probably useful. PeaceNT 16:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It seems pretty complicated, but I'll fiddle around and see what I get. TheInfinityZero 17:00, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Do keep trying. It is a little complex, but there is no better way to learn than simply reading a rough guide (as referenced above) and then having a go; after all, that's the spirit of Wikipedia! Good luck!  Timothy Titus <sup style="color:orange;">Talk To TT  17:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

What kind of image license tag would I use for this?
An image of the Homeworld CD Soundtrack that comes with the Game of the Year Edition, for use here. As I just got a good digital camera and I'm new to uploading images, what kind of license tag would I use? I assume it would be fair use, but none of the Fair Use tags seem to fit (there are album covers, but this CD has no cover; it came in a white paper CD holder in the game box). —<font color="#0000bb">Da<font color="#000066">rk<font color="#000022">•S hik ari [T] 17:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I would assume in this case you should just use the CD cover tag, Non-free album cover. Since it's of the CD itself, you may be able to use Recordingmedium instead, but I would double-check at Media copyright questions before you do so. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 17:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, its been uploaded and added to the article. —<font color="#0000bb">Da<font color="#000066">rk<font color="#000022">•S hik ari [T] 18:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Creating a page
I am having a very difficult time creating a new article. I am new to Wikipedia yet computer-literate. I created a page yesterday only to search for it today and find that it is no longer available. What am I doing wrong? Thank you in advance for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mediapastor (talk • contribs)
 * According to your contributions, you wrote your content in the |Wikipedia:Introduction page. Since then, dozens of other new users have overwritten your content with testing of their own. The Introduction page is not where you create new articles. Your content is still here in the page history. My quick scan of your content suggests you will have some problems when you try to create a new article. For starters, see: WP:COI and WP:PEACOCK. Be aware that Wikipedia deletes up to several articles per minute for violating various policies and guidelines. Wikipedia does have many articles about churches, but they cannot just be promotional pieces. --Teratornis 17:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your insight. I did read the COI and Peacock articles. Very helpful. I agree with the approach, which helps to keep Wikipedia an objective source of information. I will certainly adjust language to reflect the Peacock policy. I do however see this article as historically and factually significant. The Loma Linda University Church is the largest Seventh-day Adventist local church in North America (by membership) and has significant ties to Loma Linda University and Medical Center, well known for cutting edge work in cancer treatment with proton therapy as well as the well publicized Baby Fae baboon heart transplant in 1984. Any further insight is much appreciated!


 * Apologies but I am still very unclear about how to actually create new article. I followed the link to the Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Wizard-Introduction which tells me that this method is only for creators who are not registered. Again, is there a step-by-step for registered users? mediapastor


 * Have a look at Help:Starting a new page. --Sopoforic 01:54, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It may be a copyight violation to use the text at The History of Loma Linda University Church. And even if you provide a free license to Wikipedia for the information in an article Loma Linda University Church, articles usually are written from reliable source material that is independent of the topic. The text from that link is not independent of Loma Linda University Church and may not meet other Wikipedia requirements. -- <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="Blue">Jreferee  (Talk) 07:17, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Anonymous users and policies
I'm trying to bring an article up to good article status, but a couple of anonymous users are adding stuff (in good faith) which isn't referenced or if it is, done without the templates. I want to establish a good rapport with other editors but I'm not sure how to approach them. I don't want to seem officious or a wikilawyer but I want to encourage them to use the right ref tags. Any tips? Ki | jog  17:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * One way experienced Wikipedia users train inexperienced users is by editing articles to bring them into better compliance with the policies and guidelines. If you see an article that you can improve, just improve it, explain what you are doing in your edit summary, and if necessary, explain yourself in more detail on the article's talk page. Be sure to link to any page that describes each policy or guideline you are implementing. You don't have to lecture other users on what to do, if that makes you uncomfortable; just do it, and let them learn by studying what you did. Make sure you leave explicit clues (links) for them to follow. See: WP:CUTS and the Editor's index, so you can always look up and reference the definitive statement of every policy or guideline you follow. --Teratornis 17:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I should add that you can include links in your edit summaries. If you type a summary with a link, for example: "Added footnotes per WP:FOOT" in your edit summary, anyone reading the article history can easily look up the guideline page you followed and understand what you did, and why. --Teratornis 18:02, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And while I am tacking on comments, if the problem is that you do not have and cannot find sources for some of the claims other editors are adding to the article in question, see:
 * WikiProject Fact and Reference Check
 * Unreferenced articles
 * WikiProject Unreferenced Article Cleanup
 * User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia
 * --Teratornis 03:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks - very useful resources! Ki | jog  09:20, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Using images solely for communication on talk pages.
What is the status and policy for using screenshots from web pages, solely for the purpose of illustrating or clarifying an issue that is currently being discussed on an article talk page?

The image upload form seems to assume that image uploads are always intended for use in articles.

The following discussion page is an example of what I am talking about:

Talk:Microformat.

Thanks for any input or guidance. dr.ef.tymac 18:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I see nothing relevant to this question in Talk page guidelines, nor in Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines. I would expect that if uploading a small image to illustrate a point in a talk page discussion were a problem, someone would have written about it in Talk page guidelines. This is not to say that the existing guidelines already cover every possible contingency and have ceased to evolve, but I would guess that with all the talk pages and all the people uploading images, this issue would probably have come up before. Of course, I know better than to make an Argument from ignorance, so I cannot say for sure either way. --Teratornis 19:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply, and as always, for your analysis. Even when you don't have a "definitive" answer, your replies are helpful nonetheless. Regards. dr.ef.tymac 05:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * As I understand it, if the image does not have a free license, it needs to be used in an article or it may be delete in seven days after being tagged. -- <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="Blue">Jreferee  (Talk) 07:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Citing sources
I want to do a major improvement to an article to help it achieve "featured article" status. But when I'm citing down sources is it completely mandatory to know the date an internet article was published, because I'm having a hard time founding out when some were published? AJSDA115 20:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, that is not mandatory, and often the information is unpublished. But say when you have accessed the page as a source, e.g. using cite web PrimeHunter 22:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit count
Hello, I was wonderig how to view my edit count. I already know how to see my contributions but they are not numbered. Please answer on my talk page. Thanks - Pheonix(talk) 20:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Answered on talk page. :-)  Stwalkerster  talk 20:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

sleeves
I would like to know how you convert a short sleeve sweter pattern into a long sleeve pattern? Thank you so much for your help. email redacted
 * This page is for questions about Wikipedia itself. You might want to try a Google search. -- Kesh 21:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Is there a policy that covers this?
This edit doesn't really seem like something that should be here but I don't know if there's a policy that covers it. Maybe WP:OR? Any thoughts? Dismas |(talk) 20:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, but I nominated it for deletion for being non-notable.-- <tt> Max </tt> Talk [ (+)] 21:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw that but I'm still curious about the answer for my question. I know that there was a drawing on the Katie Holmes page for some time.  I think that was eventually replaced by a fair use image.  Dismas |(talk) 22:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Biographies of living persons is pretty strict. It doesn't mention images directly but if no reliable source has published a drawing and indicated it portrays the subject, then I think it should be removed. PrimeHunter 22:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

How to use your user page fully?
I've been trying to add user images, or whatever they're called, such as EN-# and so on. Where do i find all the standard user images? I bet there's hundreds of them? Ran4 21:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you talking about pictures? Or are you talking about userboxen? Such as i <font color="Black">said 22:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well if you are looking for userboxes, see Userboxes, and you might find WikiProject User Page Help and User Page Design Center of interest.--Fuhghettaboutit 22:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

history of page 'list of extreme weather events' is truncated
I'm trying to review older history of the page List of extreme weather events. The history is truncated at April 8th of this year. I made edits more than a year ago. Has the history been lost, or is this a correctable glitch? thanks. Anastrophe 22:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That list was created on April 8, 2007 as a split off from Extreme weather (with a GFDL non-compliant edit summary, thus the problems you're experiencing). I think you'll find your edits if you search the history of that article.--Fuhghettaboutit 22:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added the origin in a dummy edit. Better late than never. PrimeHunter 22:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That's a really great idea, and yes, better now than never!-Fuhghettaboutit 22:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * thank you very much! Anastrophe 23:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, things like this can often be caught by looking at the relevant editor's other edits at the time. In the same minute the creator edited Extreme weather with edit summary "Moving the list to...", and created List of extreme weather events with edit summary "...here" . Cute, but inappropriate. Edit summaries may assume the reader has read preceding edit summaries to the same article but not to another. PrimeHunter 23:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * As a matter of fact that's how I found where it was split from. I went to that editor's contributions from the same day to find where he took it from.--Fuhghettaboutit 23:59, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

PD-Russia image license
The Vasily Smyslov article uses a very poor-quality image of Smyslov. So, I took that image and enhanced it, and would now like to upload the enhanced image, to replace the current image. The problem is that the is licensed under  license. But I don't see that as a choice in the "Licensing" drop-down box in the image upload form. What's the right way to update this image? --noosph e re 22:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Since the original was in the public domain, you may choose whichever license you prefer. Personally, I'd just choose pd-self and mention in the source that the original was PD-Russia. --Sopoforic 22:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'll do that.  --noosph e re 23:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Wiki glitches
Here's the problems Logging In - After I've logged in, I'm not 'returned' to the page (I've logged in at). After I've manually returned to the page, it shows me as 'not' being signed in (yet will show me signed in at other pages & later signed in at the original page). Also my edit buttons for sections at my 'personal page/talk page' have been missing. GoodDay 23:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sounds to me like a proxy or your computer is caching pages. Once you hit the page not logged in, going back will continue to show it as it was until the cache clears. -- Kainaw (what?) 23:40, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * After I've logged in, the 'history' shows I've logged in. Could this all be linked to the fact my 'personal talk page' needs archiving? GoodDay 23:56, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also 'visting editors' can't find my 'edit buttons for section' at my personal page, either. GoodDay 23:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The WikiProject Ice Hockey August 2007 Newsletter has keywords that turn of the table of contents and section editing, which is causing that issue. --Sopoforic 00:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed it, I've removed the Newsletter. GoodDay 01:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)