Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 August 21

= August 21 =

Wikipedia Ariticles????
My daughter age 12 has to find a published writing that gives a bias opinion. HELP! Does Wikipedia have anything like this on here? I have been online for 30 minutes trying to find an ariticle or something that gives a bias opinion, with NO luck!!! Can anyone tell me where to look here on Wikipedia??? Thank you Rachel —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Um, try the Reference Desk, but please try to be more specific. I'm not really sure what a "published writing that gives a bias opinion" is. But, then again, I don't know what many things mean :-) -- Boricua  e  ddie  00:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia articles are supposed to satisfy Neutral point of view, but they don't always. Category:NPOV disputes contains articles which have been tagged because they may have problems in that regard. PrimeHunter 00:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Conservapedia at http://www.conservapedia.com has other policies than Wikipedia. It's easier to find articles there that many people would consider biased. Merely reading the table of contents in http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexuality should be enough to get an idea of their point of view. PrimeHunter 00:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The Desiree Summers article that another questioner mentioned above read like a promotional press release when I looked at it early today, although not nearly as egregiously biased as what fills Conservapedia. Virtually all published advertisements are biased (in favor of whatever they are trying to sell) - simply open any magazine which publishes print advertisements, and you should have no difficulty finding examples of biased writing. Although your daughter aged 12 would have to be rather precocious to absorb the following articles, her intellectual life would be all the richer for it if she could:
 * Cognitive bias
 * List of cognitive biases
 * Critical thinking
 * Fallacy
 * List of fallacies
 * In retrospect, I wish I could have read and understood the above articles when I was twelve! Also see:
 * WikiProject Countering systemic bias
 * Disclosure: it turns out that I score a perfect 10 out of 10 for characteristics of the average Wikipedian on the English Wikipedia. Therefore, it seems, you must not believe a word I say. --Teratornis 03:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Looking back through the edit history of a controversial article might reveal some biased writing. You could look at Category:NPOV disputes as PrimeHunter suggested, or look for Protected or Semi-protected articles.  A word of caution though: Wikipedia is not censored and some people simply vandalize pages, sometimes using language or images that would not be suitable for your 12 year old daughter to view without parental supervision.  Astronaut 15:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Reporting Vandals
I was about to post a warning for vandalism on someone's talk page, when I noticed that they had already been given a final warning, warning them that they will be blocked if they vandalize again. What should one do next? Is there some place to report people for vandalism after a final warning? Zomic_13 00:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Make sure the final warning is recent, then add a report to WP:AIV. --Haemo 01:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Reformatting transcluded sections
How can I move the WP:FC section to the right of the table at WikiProject_Chicago? I am experimenting with reformatting the section. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 01:14, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Just change "<div style="float: right;" to "<div style="float: left;", is that what you want to do? --Silver Edge 02:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That looks good.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Free use images
Could someone explain why images are deleted and such? I've read the policy but I don't really understand it. Thanks. Cheers,  Je tL ov e r (talk) 03:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There are a variety of reasons an image could be deleted. Usually it is because the uploader did not provide the source and copyright status of the image. Such images are tagged and the uploader is given a seven day grace period to specify that information before the image is deleted. Also, non-free images which do not satisfy the non-free content criteria are deleted after specific grace periods. This page: Criteria for speedy deletion may provide you with more information. If you could point us to a specific image that was deleted, we could provide a more specific answer. --Nick—Contact/Contribs 03:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Internal link to a section on another page
I've done this before, but I'm having no luck tonight. Could you remind me of the format to add a link on one page that takes the user to a particular section on another page. I've been trying something along this line without success. Rivers of Ontario feeding the Lake Erie Basin

--Pat 04:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pnoble805 (talk • contribs).

pagename You only need to include the bottom most subsection name, so List of Ontario rivers will do the trick. Use these links sparingly, as they are easy to break. Should there be two sections of the same name, add a " n" to the end to get the right one, where n is the number of identically named sections above the one you want. Prodego talk  04:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Editing
YouTube refers to Gladys Knight as the EMPRESS OF SOUL and references a Japanese crtitc who dubbed her that in the 70's. I'm trying to edit the Gladys Knight page and add her moniker and site YouTube as my source. How do I do that? You keep undoing my edit. 04:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Comprendo (talk • contribs).
 * The edits seem to have been removed because the source you have given (Youtube) is not considered reliable. Perhaps you could find another source for the info? Cheers Kevin 05:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Link to wrong article
Dear Sirs/Madams Hope that you are well at the moment, there is a list of Islands, and when I clicked on Kundur (an Island of Indonesia), it linked to a page, but the page does not describe the island nor show its data, the page describes something that totally different with the island. Please check it. Thank you, Best regards Martin —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * We don't have an article about the island, so I have changed the link in List of islands by area from Kundur (which redirects to an unrelated article) to Kundur (Indonesia) where an article might be created later. PrimeHunter 13:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Working with Wikipedia and using its content on my website
To whomever it may concern,

I wanted to ask a few questions about working with Wikipedia - briefly.

I am starting a website dedicated to Classic and Exotic cars.

Wikipedia has large amounts of info related to these topics.

I would like to post the wikipedia resource on my site to give people access to this information and pictures - at the same time, I would like to register and add pictures and factual information to fill gaps in the information block (regarding classic and exotic cars) on wikipedia.

How do I go about doing this? Can I post the exact information on my site - while providing wikipedia as the source along with a link? Is that sufficient?

What steps do I have to take?

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Using Wikipedia content on your website is perfectly fine as long as you comply with the terms of the GFDL. The best way to do this is to click the "Cite this article" link in the toolbox next to the article you want to cite. That tool will provide you with the information needed to properly cite the Wikipedia article. There are additional requirements in order to comply with the GFDL that can be found at WP:COPYRIGHT As for contributing to Wikipedia, I would suggest creating an account (although it is not mandatory) and reading WP:WELCOME. --Nick—Contact/Contribs 07:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

An AWB account
I recently registered the account for which I could use to do my AWB edits. These edits are not automtic and I would do them on my own account if this one didn't exist. My question is this: Should I register it as a bot account, and if so, should I abandon the account and just do them on my normal account? -- ChrisDHDR (&#xE503; • contrib's) 07:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You should not register as a bot account, and you might want to change the name to remove the word bot from it, since that is usually only for actual bot accounts. Since this account is not a bot account, it should not be named that way. i said 08:33, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

edit war
I've had issues trying to add a neutral contribution to a page, One peoples project, and had undergone several deletions/edits before my contribution was finally accepted as neutral point of view about 3 weeks ago. Apparently neutral isn't good enough, if you check the talk page of that entry you see Elyrad (daryle, the owner of the subject of the entry) boasting that he changed the accepted entry rather than delete it. I don't want to get involved in an edit war, so I changed it back and now posting here hoping for a neutral party to see to this advertisement. Honestly I have to suggest again, if you want to keep this as a npov resource, you will need to restrict people editting entries about themselves or their projects, or they just turn into commercials. Tellthetruthplease 08:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've taken a look at the edits between you and the other party and while I won't pretend to know anything about the articles topic the edit you are trying to make seems a controversial edit that requires to be citied, if you're unable to cite the edit then I recommend not adding it in, if you still have problems with the other party I recommend taking a look at Resolving disputes. Andyreply 09:15, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually some others have editted my contribution down to what they thought was acceptalbe a few weeks ago. My problem is with the new contributions, thoroughly biased, added by the actual topic of the entry. I am not trying to add anything, my entry was finished 3 weeks ago, but it's being vandalized. Tellthetruthplease 09:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Removing messages bar
I have a bar up the top of my screen saying "You have new messages (last change).". I have read the messages, now how do I get rid of the bar? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Hi! You are editing from an IP address, and unfortunately, there is a bug (see Bugzilla Bug ID 9213) in the software which causes the bar to either never appear, or not to disappear automatically after the messages have been read, but only for unregistered users. To avoid this from appearing, you can create an account :-)   Stwalkerster  talk 10:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Creating a new page
I do not know about creating a new page. Can you teach me how? Thank you in advance. Neo Guyver; August 21 4:55 AM —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Neo Guyver (talk • contribs).
 * See Starting a new page and Your first article. x42bn6 Talk Mess  10:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Placing a new article
Dear sir / madam,

I have a question concerning placing a new article on Wikipedia.

I already have checked if the URL is available, which is the case. I want to start a page called 'Panatlas'. Can you give me the link to the page where I can place the article? The complete text is already finished.

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards,

Quinta —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Quinta123 (talk • contribs).


 * If you want to start a new article called Panatlas, then click on this red link here. A red link signals the fact that the page has not been created yet. Enter the text in the text box to start the article. :-)  Lra drama 11:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Not sure if this applies, but Panatelas is listed as a parejo cigar. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 23:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

enlish learning.
my first language is Hindi and i want to learn english so how can i learn english on online. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * This page is for asking questions about the English Wikipedia and how it works only. See the notice at the top of this page.  Lra drama 11:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * But you may get more help at the Language Reference Desk, where you can ask language-related questions. x42bn6 Talk Mess  11:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

My page was deleted - why?
I submitted a page yesterday that was immediately flagged for Speedy Removal. All of the content was factual. I even followed another entry very closely to make certain the formatting was correct. The entry was called "Life on the List". Can someone please let me know why this was removed? Creativecomponent 13:12, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you sure it was noteable enough to be included in Wikipedia? i.e. was it a well-known subject matter / content? If something isn't classed as noteable, then it will probably be removed. See also Criteria for speedy deletion.  Lra drama 13:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The deleting administrator gave a reason at User talk:Creativecomponent and in the edit summary for the deletion of Life on the list. Apparently the article did not indicate that the subject satisfies Notability. See also Why was my article deleted? and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. PrimeHunter 13:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Efficiency vs effectiveness
Differetiate the difference between efficiency and effectiveness —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Have you got a question on how to use Wikpedia? KTC 13:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Million, billion, etc
Why when I read an article about money (or numbers), in USA a billion is equal to 1,000 millions all over the world?

This bring a trillion units in USA to the equivalent of a billion all over the world and confuses everybody.

In Latin America: 1,000,000      equals a million 100,000,000    equals a one hundred millions 1,000,000,000  equals a one thousand millions (in USA is a billion. 100,000,000,000 equals to a one hundred thousand millions 1,000,000,000,000 equals a BILLION (In USA is a trillion)  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Agree. When I was at school (I am english) a billion was a million million. About 20 years ago the Treasury announced, without any consultation that for financial statements a billion was now a thousnad million. Since then, confusion. Personally I avoid billion like the plague, and use a thousand million or a million million. Longer, but unambiguous.GORDONEH 15:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Per Long and short scales, 1000 million seems to be the more common usage, and should be used. This is specifically dealt with in the Wikipedia Manual of Style, and it says "Billion is understood as 109". So billion should always be used as opposed to 1000 million. Prodego  talk  17:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * As seen by Articles for deletion/1000000000000 (number) 2nd nomin, editors have disagreed about how to handle the ambiguity. PrimeHunter 18:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The United States values its Horatio Alger stories, so we want to keep the status of billionaire at least somewhat attainable. It could be some time before inflation and economic growth make possible the first trillionaire, that is, assuming modern economies survive past Peak oil. Of course if all the world's billionaires chose to give all their money to one person - for example, to me - they could create the first trillionaire today. --Teratornis 20:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Budget template?
When you write a section about the budget of a company or organization, is there some kind of template or format to follow? Dabomb87 14:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles should usually have limited budget information. See Companies, corporations and economic information. PrimeHunter 18:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * But a featured article about an organization has a whole section dedicated to its finance. Dabomb87 19:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, the article in question is not about a company, it's about a public transport authority, if that's any help. Dabomb87 19:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I would like to know why I am unable to log in
Bold textHave been a member for considerable time,now I can't log in and must ask why?.Username has always been SwathingScientist. Have you permanently installed on my browser but was using IE7 which sucks,I use K-Meleon browser now. Thank you kindly I'm sure (email removed to protect you from spam) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * I've sent a new password for that account to the email address you used when originally signing up (for security reasons, we can't send a new password anywhere else). Check your inbox! --ais523 16:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

makin wikipedia my homepage
how do i make wikipedia my homepage?


 * It depends on your web browser. If you're using Internet Explorer, go to the page that you want to set as your home page, and click Tools, then Internet Options in the menu. Then, click the "Use Current" button. If you're using Mozilla Firefox, go to the page that you want to set as your home page, and click Tools, then Options in the menu. Then, click the "Use Current Pages" button. Andyreply 15:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

--Robertespo 14:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Copyright Question
I have uploaded some photos, they are copyrighted to me through creative commons. How do I link pages to my photos?Rutietooty 15:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC).


 * When you upload the images to wikipedia select the correct creative commons license for your work as you have done with one of your images, the second one does not have a copyright tag which it requires, to get copyright tags please see Image copyright tags, add it to the image by using the edit link and pasting in the correct code to the license you are using. To add an image to an article see Images Andyreply 15:22, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

22nd (Cheshire) Regiment of the British Army
Greetings, I wish to inform you that in your article about the 22nd (Cheshire) Regiment of the British Army that you have the Motto as "'Ich Dien' or 'I Serve'". This is the motto of the Staffordshire Regiment and the correct motto for the 22nd (Cheshire) Regiment is "Ever Glorious".

As an Officer in training in the Regiment I wish for this misunderstanding to be rectified as swiftly as possible as the regiment will sadly no longer exist in 11 days at the time of writing. Proof of this can be found in a copy of the Army Officers career guide found in every Army careers office.

Thank you for your co-operation in this matter.

Regards,

O/Cdt J Roberts 5 Pl B (Cheshire) Coy KCR (4 Mercian) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * You could have changed it for yourself by clicking "edit this page" at the top of the regiment's page. But, I've changed it for you anyway.  (Not a blind change by the way: I searched Google for cheshire regiment "ich dien" and got 2 irrelevant hits, while cheshire regiment "ever glorious" got 45 mostly relevant hits).
 * I'm sorry to hear about the demise of the regiment. This kind of thing is happening all too often.
 * Astronaut 16:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Appearance in history
Have just added some references to the biblography for the Stephen Lawrence entry. Looking at history my username, like some others appears in red, while others are blue? Why? Also, after my entry is TALK also in red, though I have not as yet joined any discussion. Again why? 15:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Those whose userpages have not been edited (like yours) have their usernames in red. TALK is a link to your talk page, the page that is marked discussion when you are in your userpage. When that has content in it, the link to it will become blue. Likewise, when your userpage has content put in it, your username will be blue also. Dabomb87 15:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Red links mean that the page it is linking to doesn't exist, with regards to usernames and usertalk you need to add content to both to turn them into blue links, to do so you can use the links at the top right of every page to access your userpage and usertalk. For more info on what can be put on your userpage please see: User page Andyreply 15:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

HBKH
Who blocked HBKH and why??? HIYO —The preceding  signed but undated.
 * The answers to your questions can be found here. Corvus cornix 15:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It looks as though the account was at risk of being compromised due to a publicly visible password. For security reasons, all compromised accounts are immediately blocked. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Soooooooooooo.... he didn't DO anything, but people knew his password, so he was blocked? ps he's coming back under the name of Big Protection Agency (BPA) HIYO 19:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks as though he mentioned his password in an edit summary on your user page. So, yes. And I don't believe he'll be coming back as User:BPA, since someone already has that name claimed. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 21:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * THEN THATS HIM!!!!!!! run a checkuser! HIYO 21:22, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That isn't necessary, the only reason the account was blocked was because of the public password, so long as his new ID doesn't violate any rules, he's perfectly welcome to edit. Corvus cornix 23:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

User page being used for advertising
I've come across User:Miskeen, which appears to be nothing but a PR piece for a clothing company and the user hasn't made any mainspace edits yet. How/are user pages like this tagged if at all or how are they dealt with? I'm wary about putting db-avert tag on it. Thanks. Broken Sphere Msg me 15:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * User:Drunkenmonkey took care of it for you.  is the appropriate tag for advertising, whether in article space or User space.  Corvus cornix 15:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I have listed this page for speedy deletion on your behalf, speedy deletion applies to all namespaces so it is fine to list a userpage for speedy deletion, for more info please see WP:SPEEDY Andyreply 15:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * OK. I'm more used to tagging article spaces than user spaces, which is why I wasn't sure.  Thanks.   Broken Sphere Msg me 15:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Galahad JD Clark
(advertising removed) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * If you are just testing go to the WP:SANDBOX, if you want the article to be created go to Articles for creation. (you might need some sources before it is created though) This page is for general questions about wikipedia. Have you got a specific question? Woodym555 16:11, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It appears to be a submission for an article, rather than a Help Desk question. (The article would have been immediately deleted anyway if it had been submitted; see WP:CSD for the deletion reason, and WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:SPAM and WP:CORP for some relevant project pages describing why such pages are deleted.) --ais523 16:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

adding something to your website
Good Afternoon,

How would I add something to your reference tool? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jstrouch (talk • contribs).


 * Can you be more specific about what you mean with reference tool? Maybe How to edit a page and Citing sources is of help. PrimeHunter

The &lt; source &gt; tag, what languages are available?
There is a 'source' tag that allows for automatic code formatting in mediawiki. How do I find out more about it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * See: mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight GeSHi for details on the extension you may be talking about. To see exactly what extensions are available (i.e., installed) right now on the English Wikipedia, see: Special:Version. --Teratornis 01:19, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

content required
Good evening,

I am looking for the full english translation of Sergiei Yesenin 'Tavern Moscow'. They only page that seems to include is is Indopedia. However, I cannot get in because this requires to be registered. No registration page is available. Please help because I need the translation pretty badly. Sincerely yours Paulina Bartoszewska —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * If you are indeed required to be reqistred, then prehaps the link on the left of its website labelled "Register" might help you? KTC 18:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Cross-references
Greetings!

Where exactly are the instructions on how to create a cross-reference to an existing entry, and how do i get to this information from the main screen? It unfortunately seems to be well hidden.

Thank you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Help:Contents/Links KTC 18:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

help me enter new information on an existing page
Commandment Keepers How do I enter a new entry on the existing page. I placed my entry but it has been deleted. Please advise.

Zyisrael 18:22, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi there, I've had a look and I can't see any edits made you to wikipedia other than this one, we you logged in at the time? In order to ensure content you create doesn't get deleted you should follow the guidelines and make sure everything you write is citied or referenced. Andyreply 18:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It appears that you were trying to repeatedly add your email address to the page as contact information. The article is an encyclopedic description of Commandment Keepers, not a business card or MySpace page.  That is why the other editors removed the email address. -- Kainaw (what?) 18:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

uploading images
I have been putting up pictures that keep getting taken down. I have been putting up pictures from the Broadway In Chicago website that the company makes available to download. I thought that I was citing them correctly but do not really understand how to put up a copyright tag. Could someone explain the process of putting up an image with the correct copyright tag? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Julia1287 (talk • contribs).


 * You might want to talk to the person who deleted them, the user is . Hope that helps. -- Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor  ( tαlk ) 19:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Restaraunts in Pismo
You mentened "Pea Soup Andersons" only in the links section and in steakhouses there is no Mention of "F. Mclintock's". If I decided to add these, do I have to get special permission from these places? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Droggo (talk • contribs).
 * I am not clear as to what you are asking. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 23:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

pictures
what can't i see picturess on the wikipedia pages anymore on my computer? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by John flamingo (talk • contribs).
 * Are you having the same problem as this previous questioner:
 * Help desk/Archives/2007 May 6
 * --Teratornis 19:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Log out problem
After contributing, I log out. At the top, I see that I'm logged out. I go to another Wikipedia page, and I'm still logged out. I cycle off Firefox, and when I come back to Wikipedia, I'm still logged out. Great! But the next day when I go to Wikipedia, I'm logged in! What's going on? FTC Gerry 19:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That's funny, that's about the exact opposite of what we usually get here. I would try clearing your browser's cache by pressing [CTRL+SHIFT+R] to make sure your browser isn't just reading a previous version of the page from when you were logged in. Also, when you log in, make sure that you leave the "Remember me" box unchecked. If all that doesn't work, Firefox allows you to clear all authenticated sessions by going to "Tools->Clear Private Data..." That should log you out of Wikipedia, as well as any other page you've recently logged in to. If even THAT doesn't work, I'm really not sure what's going on, unless you're editing in your sleep without knowing it. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 20:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Help with a template
Can someone help me with User:Lucid/lbox? I tried to use Template:NavigationBox as a reference, but as you can see, I've screwed it up pretty well. I need NavigationBox, but I also don't want it to stretch out my user page (you can see on my user page, I'm trying to keep everything around the same length as my infobox, if it goes full width it's below that, which eliminates the point) I'm sure that someone who's experienced with templates can just take a look at this, think "omfg noob" and take about ten seconds typing and it will all be well -- lucid 19:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It looks like you were combining table markup -  and   - with template markup -   and   - as well as parts of two different templates:  and . I've fixed it all up for you. this link shows what changes I made. You can try using tables and templates some more in the sandbox. - SigmaEpsilon → Σ Ε 20:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, you put it back to being ruined. I can do that myself. I made it very clear that the entire reason I DON'T use the navbox is because it goes full page width. Please read posts on the HD before you try to step in and help -- lucid 20:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I shrank the down using "width:30%". You can tweak the numbers to fit your infobox. - SigmaEpsilon → Σ Ε —The preceding  signed but undated.


 * Shrinking it isn't the problem, it needs to stretch to the edge of wherever it is, without making a new line. Look at the other templates on my user page-- lucid 20:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Frederick Taylor University
Dear Editor-- While recently viewing the Wikipedia article regarding Frederick Taylor University, I stumbled upon many biased comments and assumptions. The information derived in the article from footnotes 4,5,6, and 7 are not specific to Frederick Taylor University and could be said about any non-accredited BPPVE approved institution in California. If these comments are to remain on the Frederick Taylor University article page, they should clearly be stated on the pages of all other BPPVE approved institutions as well. Thank you for your time and consideration. 70.137.149.248 20:11, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the ' link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to).  The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills.  New contributors are always welcome. Hers fold ' (t/a/c) 20:15, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

old (public domain?) images question
Sorry for asking here, I've got going through dozens of pages on image help, image upload, etc and am lost as to where to ask/look - anyway;

I'm looking at this page and 3 images on it;
 * firstly the map (published 1912 in the UK)
 * the two logos below it.

Now I'm fairly confident i can claim fair use of non free media on the two logos (just like other rail transport logos of current train companies) - for use on London, Chatham and Dover Railway and South Eastern Railway (UK). The map would be great at South Eastern and Chatham Railway and maybe Transport in Kent although we do have Image:Kent Railways.svg.

Now the bits i get confused about are;
 * where do i upload it to, en or commons?
 * what copyright tags do i use
 * does the fact a) I'm in the UK, b) the images are from the UK, c) the images have presumably been scanned in in the UK
 * is fair use appropriate for the logos because of their age (ie out of copyright?)

thanks in advance Pickle 20:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Pickle. You might be interested in looking at Google search for South Eastern and Chatham Railway Society. As for your image question, you upload images using Upload, which will walk you through the steps. I prefer using Special:Upload. Basically, fair use images are uploaded from your computer harddrive into Wikipedia en. For fair use uploads, you have three things to add: 1. Source, 2. License, and 3. Detailed fair use statement. The source is a link to where you obtained the images on the Internet. The licenses can be found at List of image copyright tags. Logos are at logos. The detailed fair use statement basically is five or six items you need to state for the particular use. An example detailed fair use statement for logos can be found here. You can post a note at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fair_use if you need help in formulating the detailed fair use statement. A good way to see how these are used is to look at other image pages. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 22:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Firstly thank you Jreferee for your assistance.
 * I've been through that and uploaded (to en, not commons) Image:London chatham and dover railway crest.jpg and Image:South eastern railway crest.jpg.
 * I'm still not sure if it really is a "non free" image, due to dates but i don't understand enough about it (see above questions re dates and UK copyright law). But have put both up under a fair use rationale and railroad logos (which i have seen elsewhere).
 * I'm still very confused about how to tackle the map (this file [here]), due to the copyright issues I've outlined, and I'm not aware of another example image on Wikipedia to see how the situation has been handled in the past. I'm dubious if it was still in copyright, that we could claim a fair use rationale for it, but if its out of copyright then it would be great to use.
 * Thanks in advance Pickle 04:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia's computers are in Florida, United States, so the Foundation usually goes by U.S. copyright law. PD-art-US is for images of works of art published in the United States prior to 1923. If the book showing the map was in the US prior to 1923, then that would seem to meet the published requirement. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 05:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * OK I've uploaded the map to Image:SECR 1912 from A&C Black.jpg, hope I've done all the tags correctly. Thanks once again for your help. Pickle 07:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Rebecca
This editor deleted a page and labeled it a dud even though I spent hours creating it and making sure it met Wikipedia guidelines. I have e-mailed Rebecca but in looking at her User Talk page it seems like she is a rogue editor unable to behave or to work well with other editors. Reading many of the entries convinced me that she is a huge problem for Wikipedia. Why is it that one editor can have a bad day and delete a page without asking for review of other editors?

The title of the page was Skilled Migration to Australia.

Bonnie —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tltfaas (talk • contribs).


 * The exact title was Skilled Migration To Australia with capital T in "To". See Why was my page deleted for options. Rebecca has placed herself in Category:Rouge admins which is clearly marked as humorous. PrimeHunter 21:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Move page request
ive just recently submitted a page onto wikipedia, firstly i made a mistake when typing the page heading as i forgot to make the first letter of the surname a capital, i writ 'Merveille lukeba' instead of 'Merveille Lukeba', could u possibly change that for me please.

Thank You. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hollywoodupdates (talk • contribs).


 * I've moved it for you. For future reference, you can do this yourself by clicking the "Move" tab at the top of the page. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 21:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Section 8
Please help me with section 8 ! My name is Vonnie Purcell I'm 56 years old I've been Disable for 11 years. I have fined a place to move to. The man is asking to be put on Section 8 for his home, how do I do that? We have to be out of this condo by the 1st of Sept. Is there any way that you can help me Please !!Vonnie Purcell —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * I'm sorry, but I'm afraid we can only offer help with using Wikipedia, and are unable to give legal advice. Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 21:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * ask at reference desk--  Pheonix  ( talk )   21:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikitable background Pattern
Is there a way to put a background pattern in a wikitable like it is a Microsoft excel cell? If so, where is a menu of patterns?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

login in different languages
As a regular user, I sometimes make minor improvements to both en.wikipedia.org and nl.wikipedia.org. Recently I made a login so I don't need to go on with anonymous edits. I can login to en.wikipedia.org but nl.wikipedia.org does not recognize my account. Do I do something wrong or do I need a separate account for each language? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joris nl (talk • contribs).
 * You need a separate account for each language. PrimeHunter 21:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * See also SUL to see what progress is being made towards doing this automatically. Confusing Manifestation 22:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Found then lost
I recently "stumbled" onto a page of 'ATLAS BY COUNTRY' links and cn now not find it. I believe it was in "commons"?

Please tell me url if you know.

Many thanx, Elefuntz 21:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Atlas_by_country. PrimeHunter 22:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

George Clooney EL
Could some editors please add their comments to the discussion going on the George Clooney page? I have deleted Clooney Studio from the EL section for copyright violations (displaying pictures and videos without the copyright holders' permission), and they continue to readd it. Wikipedia's policy states to delete any fansites that contain copyrighted material that doesn't belong to the webmaster. Clearly, this site does, and the webmaster even admits to it on the Talk page. There has been an ongoing discussion in regards to another fansite that was deleted as an external link on the grounds of copyright violatings, and this site fits the same bill. -- 21:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This might be better addressed at WP:AN. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 21:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I added a note to the talk page. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 22:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

becoming a participant in discussions
I would like very much to become a part of the discussion board for other individuals such as me who suffer from Thrombocytopenia (TTP), can someone please help me and let me know what to do? This is what I originally typed. Thank you so much for your cooperation into this matter. Sincerely, Cindy B. <email removed for security> Cinsela 22:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a discussion forum, so we don't offer counseling services for people who suffer from diseases. You are welcome to help participate in discussions on how to improve the article on Thrombocytopenia, however, which take place on that article's talk page. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 22:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Cindy. Wikipedia generally does not have discussion boards for such things. I looked through Category:Wikipedians by condition, but did not see one for blood disorders. Dr.michael.benjamin and Jordanawell have many posts to the Thrombocytopenia article and may know of such a discussion board. You might try contacting them on their talk page. --  Jreferee  (Talk) 22:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Click here for a thrombocytopenia support group. This is the only one I was able to locate.--Fuhghettaboutit 22:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Need a template
An editor has IMO misread a source he cites. I also have concerns about the nature of the source. I've raised this on the talk page -- Talk:Zheng He -- but would like to know how to flag the sentence. doesn't do it, because there is a footnote. I'd like to flag the sentence as disputed, possibly a misinterpretation of the source, that kind of thing. I don't intend to flag the whole section. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 22:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You'll want to use Verify credibility, syn, or verify source. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 22:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar page formatting
I am having formatting problems at User:TonyTheTiger/Barnstars with my "Barnstar of Diligence".--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 22:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You had some extra  ...   tags. Removing those fixed the problem. - SigmaEpsilon → Σ Ε 23:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Creating Articles
How do you create an articleShortycrack 23:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * See Help:Starting a new page. You might also want to take a look at Your first article and How to write a great article. Andyreply 23:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

How Do I Remove a Stub to Create an Article?
I found a stub article. I added to it. I saved. Next day.. I removed the stub template tag, saved it, and searched. It still comes up as a stub, not an article. Am I being too impatient? I just created my user name about 24 hours ago... do I have to wait to have permissions or for it to become a full article? 65.212.242.132 23:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * On average it takes about 30hours for changes to show up on the search system for various performance reasons. Andyreply 23:52, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This is the only edit by your IP address. What is the title? If it has no stub template then it isn't considered a stub. You can edit with your account right away. PrimeHunter 23:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)