Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 August 25

= August 25 =

Getting BORED!
Hey, when are you going to have that article on Tomoyuki Kōno ready? I'm getting bored here! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Hey, when are you going to have that article on Tomoyuki Kōno ready? I'm getting bored here!
 * Try Tomoyuki Kōno, created three minutes before your post above.. -- Jreferee  (Talk) 01:01, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

What if policy is not followed?
I recently had an image I uploaded - - speedy deleted by User:Can%27t_sleep%2C_clown_will_eat_me, and the procedure for the reason given (i4) was NOT followed.. I not only provided the source of the image, but also a detailed rationale as to why no free use image was available. It took 20 minutes to find the appropriate templates and type up a rationale and I'm NOT in the mood to do that again right now. Not only that, but according to Speedy_deletion the image should have been tagged as unsourced and then, if no action was taken, could be speedy deleted after seven days. Considering I uploaded the image on August 23, that seems a bit impossible. I see absolutely NO justification for this image having been deleted, since the reason for deleting the image was given as "i4" but the procedure outlined in that category was not even CLOSE to properly followed. I have a feeling the person in question simply didn't like the image, and decided to ignore the policy. Is there anything that can be done about that? I don't see the point in investing time to make sure everything is kosher if someone can just come along and delete it all on a whim, not even following policy, and giving me no opportunity to contest the issue, fix the problem, or even revert the (what I consider to be) vandalism. Xoxixox 01:00, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The rational you posted was "a particular moment in her career when her public meltdown started. The shaved head was only photographable for one day before all photos began including her in a wig." I'm guessing that you planned to post it at Britney_Spears. Posting such an image in that article likely had prior discussion and consensus. I suggest posting a thread on the Britney Spears talk page to see whether such an image should be included with the article. If there is consensus on that, then contact Can't Sleep and if that does not resolve the matter, post a request at WP:DRV. -- Jreferee  (Talk) 01:07, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately that's the only rationale left visible (and not where the rationale was explained in full, that was a space with limited room used to put a summary), because the talk page was deleted along with the image, but on the talk page for the image (where I posted the may violate fair use template as well) I had posted a template with more than one rationale for fair use. However this is irrelevant to the discussion because it wasn't deleted because of fair use violation, it was deleted because it was unsourced (I4). I will post that on the Britney Spears page, but my biggest issue is that it was deleted because it was supposedly unsourced (when I also included the source on that template in the talk page) and yet the seven days to correct the problem were NOT given.  Is it common for admins to ignore policy like that?  Xoxixox 01:24, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Making tiny numbers that link to things at the bottom
Hello!! I would like to ask how one makes it so that in an article you have the little text that appears a little bit above the writing and you click it and it zooms to the bottom of the article and gives you the source. I can't seem to figure it out? Thanks in advance!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Backsigns (talk • contribs) 01:18, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Oops! Sorry for not signing! Backsigns 01:19, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, I thought about it and I think maybe people use  tags and then an anchor to the link? Backsigns 01:22, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * They use tags. Whatever is placed in the tags is what shows up at the bottom when you click the number. i said 01:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! :D How do I make it show up at the bottom? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Backsigns (talk • contribs) 01:24, August 25, 2007 (UTC)


 * You would create a References level two heading, and under it place . I think you can also do, but I'm not sure, as I've never tested. i said 01:30, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Aha, thank you. Backsigns 01:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * For more about using references, see Citing sources. PrimeHunter 02:07, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And also: WP:FOOT and WP:CITET. And if you really want to be informed, see the links under:
 * User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia
 * --Teratornis 17:31, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

wrong email on username account
how do I update my email details for an account? I have requested a new password to my account before realising that the email address was misspelt. I therefore cannot access my account or talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * Thankfully, you can access your userpage and talk page. Put this into the Wikipedia search box-- User:_______, where the blank line is your Username. The talk page is at User_talk:_______.
 * For the other issue, contact Wikipedia admistration? See Administrators' noticeboard. While that is not exactly the right place, someone higher up might be able to direct you right. Guroadrunner 11:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Jacksonville Jaguars
In your article on the Jacksonville Jaguars you stated that thye are on of three teamd to have never played in the Superbowl or any NFL Championship. That is in not accurate. They did go to the AFC Championship Game in their second year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * I think that means the Jacksonville Jaguars never played in a league championship. The AFC Championship Game is a conference championship, not a league championship. See History of National Football League Championship. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silver Edge (talk • contribs) 06:35, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Dave Ulliott
Dave Ulliott aka Devilfish

You have his age wrong, born Apr 1 1954

Also would it be possible to put a live link to www.devilfishpoker.com (I see you have this for others) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

Help Me

Dave Ulliott aka DevilFish Was born Apr 1 1954 not 1963

Also would it be possible to put a live link to www.devilfishpoker.com (You have for others)

Paul Dransfield —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * Hmmm. These three sources:, , indicate that he was born on January 4th, 1954. DH85868993 08:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Regarding a link to www.devilfishpoker.com; I think it is probably inappropriate, since the site seems to be mainly (completely?) an online gaming site, which doesn't provide any information about Dave Ulliott that isn't already present in the article. DH85868993 08:19, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added details of the year of birth conflict to the article's talk page. So hopefully interested/knowledgeable editors will be able to resolve the issue from there. Incidentally, I think the "April 1" / "January 4" conflict is probably the old American vs UK date format thing. DH85868993 15:01, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Removal of existing sort keys when adding DEFAULTSORT
When adding the DEFAULTSORT magic word to an article, is it acceptable to leave existing sort keys which match the new default. e.g. is it OK to change:



to:



or should I change it to:



I believe both options are functionally equivalent, I'm just wondering which one is considered preferable. Thanks. DH85868993 09:01, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Both are functionally equivalent. I generally go with the last example since, I think, this makes it clearer to a new editor just what's going on.  The question of "why does the third category not need their name but the first two do?" won't enter their mind.  Dismas |(talk) 09:09, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Post dates?
Would you please make it so that each entry is dated? It's frustrating to read about some topic, yet not know when it may have been posted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * You can find the article's creation date by going to the history tab and clicking Oldest. The last edit is at the bottom of the page.  But to put the article creation date on the article itself is an aesthetic thing.  Where would it go?  What purpose does it have to know when an article was created?  x42bn6 Talk Mess  09:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is a wiki and the text of an article and even of a sentence is often changed by different editors. Most articles were not written on one day. Many have edits on hundreds of days. Click the history tab to see the article history which may be quite long. PrimeHunter 12:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If you want to know who edited a particular sentence and when, you are asking for something called a "blame" feature in a revision control system. See this search on the Help desk archive for previous discussion of this issue. --Teratornis 17:34, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Irish POV
Can anybody help me find a discussion on wikipedia from about two years ago. I am ‘’’not’’’ looking for anything in the last 18 months. An editor propounded that there was an editor who was putting forward his POV which was Irish republican. Kittybrewster  (talk) 10:43, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There was this (exactly!) 2 years ago (apologies for digging this up, because this user is still active). Can't really find anything else.  Again, apologies.  x42bn6 Talk Mess  10:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That is the exact one. Well done and thank you. - Kittybrewster  (talk) 13:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. x42bn6 Talk Mess  13:40, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Could someone help me with reference formatting for DiGard Motorsports
I've been adding references, but some are kind of untidy. See DiGard_Motorsports to see what I'm talking about. Anyone willing to lend a hand? I especially am unsure what to do with things I found off of Google Books.

Also, does References go above or below External Links?

Guroadrunner 11:24, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Where was that robot that finds appropriately-licensed images from Flickr ?
I used it once, so I know there is some tool out there that lets people search Flickr for appropriate copyleft images. Where might I find it?

Guroadrunner 11:27, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't know about a robot, but if you, say, want to find Creative Commons images of something, you can go to Flickr's advanced search page, and at the bottom there is an option to only show CC material. You can also check out their CC page.--  Max   Talk [ (+)] 22:42, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * This was helpful. Thanks! Guroadrunner 16:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Question about double entering a heading.
I submitted a biography on the American Artist, William Houghton Sprague Pearce. He is also known as W.H.S. Pearce, is there a way to have both search entries linked to the same page? thanks Carolie McLaughlin [email address removed to avoid the risk of spamming] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mclabc (talk • contribs) 12:42, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

I submitted a biography on William Houghtone Sprague Pearce, an American Artist. He is also known as W.H.S.Pearce. How can I get both as a search heading? thanks Carolie Mclaughlin [email address removed to avoid the risk of spamming] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mclabc (talk • contribs) 12:47, August 25, 2007 (UTC)
 * Whatever the article is named will come up in searches for both names-- Pheonix15 (talk) 13:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * GeeJo has just created W.H.S. Pearce as a redirect to William Houghton Sprague Pearce. This means that if someone types "W.H.S. Pearce" in the Search box, they will be taken to the William Houghton Sprague Pearce article. (Apologies if I've stolen your thunder, GeeJo). DH85868993 14:06, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Sig help
Could someone tell me how to stop my sig turning purple to people who have visited my user or talk page-- Pheonix15 (talk) 12:53, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Have them restart their browser. The effect you're describing is built into the browser as a way to notify the user that they've visited a particular page already. You can't "stop" it without having editors change the behavior of their browser, which is overkill for something as trivial as a signature. Shadow1  (talk) 17:45, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Your sig doesn't go ppurple and I've visited your page-- Pheonix15 (talk) 18:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey there Phoenix. The reason it happens is because of the way you created you signature. I recreated your sig for you and here is the code, Pheonix15 (talk ) which will show up like this Pheonix15  (<font color="LightSkyBlue">talk ) . That should solve the problem. --<font face="Comic Sans MS"><font color="Black">Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor  ( tαlk ) 21:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Editing existing images
I am fairly new to Wikipedia and would like to contribute, so I thought it might be fairly easy to do some simple edits. I am very skilled at image editing (for a layperson), and I wanted to crop the borders off an existing image. However, I'm encountering two separate problems with doing this. Any suggestions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Headzred (talk • contribs) 13:15, August 25, 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) When I try to edit with an external program, my browser automatically opens my Dreamweaver program--but I'd rather use my PaintShop Pro program. No help there.
 * 2) When I save the existing image to my computer, edit it with PSP, and try to upload the edit of the photo, I am then expected to provide all new licensing information. I am not the creator of the image; I only cropped a border off the image.  There doesn't seem to be a way around giving it a whole new GNU (pardon the pun), which would be erroneous, or no license.  In either case, I'd be begging to have it removed.


 * Well, I've seen many people upload edited images thier own work. I don't think your supposed to do that but if the pre edit version was already on Wikipedia nobody complains-- <font color="LightSkyBlue">Pheonix15 (talk) 13:21, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry I didn't sign earlier. Newbie error.  I will not add a GNU to an edit of someone else's picture.  I'd rather not contribute than contribute falsely.  Wiki is terrific, but it should not be this hard to help out.
 * Also, I see that the comment below doesn't belong here. What's the accepted method for doing something about that?Headzred 13:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You can separate the two questions by adding a new section heading (text surrounded by "==") above the new question, as has been done below. DH85868993 13:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Finding people living elsewhere in the world
how can I find people living in other country I got only his complete name no add..can u help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bellamor 64 (talk • contribs) 13:24, August 25, 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that if the person isn't notable, you will not find them here because wikipedia is not a phone book. I don't know of any websites that will help you with your search. Sorry :( -- AngelOfSadness talk  13:47, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It would help if you said what country he might be in. - Kittybrewster  (talk) 13:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

New interface on image description pages
So someone decided to restructure the automatic "File history" section of the image description pages. Could an admin please tell me if there is still a delete button next to the revisions when they go to one of these pages? Otherwise I need to go change some instructions ... --Pekaje 14:21, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't find the delete or revert buttons that used to be there anymore. The revert link was changed from 'rev' to 'revert' as part of the same changes or just before them, though, which would be a bit strange if they were going to be deleted; maybe I'm looking in the wrong place, or maybe they've been left off by mistake? --ais523 16:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC) (an admin)
 * They seem to have reappeared again now. --ais523 16:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I've noticed it change a couple of times already today. Maybe they should do the testing on the test wiki first :-)
 * So what exactly is the text on the delete revision link? It doesn't show up for non-admins any more, and the instructions I was talking about is (obviously) for admins.  --Pekaje 16:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Link to a specific policy I cannot find
Hi,

I remember reading a policy on wikipedia regarding this situation:

''Article A has something that shouldn't be there but is present in 10 other articles. Editor X removes it but Editor Y adds it back arguing that since 10 other articles have it present, why should only Article A have it removed.''

I cannot find a link to this and I wish to see this policy. I know I've read something about this before. Hyperpain2000 14:31, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not a policy, it's an essay. See WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. utcursch | talk 14:33, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe you are thinking of Inclusion_is_not_an_indicator_of_notability? -- Diletante 14:56, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Werdnabot
My Talk Page is archived by Werdnabot once every 7 days.

However, it is archiving everything into monthly order. A year from now I will have 12 different archive pages.

How can I fix it so that it archives every 7 days into an archive that will stay open for 3 months instead of just a month ?

Tovojolo 16:45, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The easiest way to do this is to manually set the Target archive page every three months. It's not automated, but I don't believe there's a Werdnabot-compatible ParserSyntax hack for this. Shadow1  (talk) 17:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Why not just a switch on the relevant magic word? The below code should do the trick. To avoid any potential problems with parserfunctions parameters within a parameter to a template, you could put this code in a new subpage and include it in the Werdnabot template parameter. No guarantees, though, as Werdnabot can be a bit odd.  I see no immediate reason why it shouldn't work, though. --Pekaje 22:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Censorship
i want to access to cloes page by my country server how to brak it —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * This page is for questions about Wikipedia itself, not a hacker convention. -- Kesh 23:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Bullying by ignorant people
After several attempts to explain and educate, I am taking concerns about bullying by Wikipedia members to other fora for discussion. Many many people have confused criticism of the approaches of doctors of environmental medicine as being a dismissal of sensitivities, of the fact that some people are more affected by chemicals than others. There are centuries of literature, government reports, and statements by human rights commissions about the damages that are caused by bigotry on this subject. There are probably a dozen suicides per day in the United States of persons with undiagnosed CNS reactions.

I am uninterested in a complex dispute resolution process in a community where bigotry and bullying, political interference with information, are celebrated rather than edited out. The last post I made was a quote from the Father of American Psychiatry, and an ignorant editor erased it on the basis of an arbitraryopinion.

The Wikipedia community is contributing to the ongoing killing of persons with undiagnosed sensitivities in health care settings. You have utterly lost my respect, and made it impossible for people who are informed on this topic to see Wikipedia as anything but an instrument of hate literature.

Chris Brown http://ages.ca --email removed-- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * A quote almost two centuries old is hardly the most reliable source for the mental health effects of Indigo dye. You may want to find a better source for that statement. --Pekaje 17:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

SI?
What is the convention for measurement units, should I always use SI or feet etc., or maybe both? Should I decide based on the habits of the country the article is about, more or less like American English is preferred in NBA and British English is preferred in cricket? Maybe both the "local unit" and the SI one? And where is this all explained I couldnt find it:) -- <font color="#E6A50D">Out <font color="#F25511">span  [ talk · contribs ] 17:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The policy is here. :) (And you're right that it depends on the article.) --Moonriddengirl 17:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, it's nice to see you here... I guess the Wikipedia world is not as big as it looked like at first;) -- <font color="#E6A50D">Out <font color="#F25511">span  [ talk · contribs ] 18:01, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Truly, familiar faces do seem to pop up a lot. :) --Moonriddengirl 18:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Difficulty creating articles
whenever i try and create an article all that happens is my browser downloads a file called index.php and nothing else happens. Please advse me on how to gget around this issue. I have tried with browsers including mozilla firefox, internet explorer and safari and all of them come up with the same result.

(Christopher Charlie Jones 18:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC))
 * Try clicking my preferences at the top, and then click the "Editing" tab. If there is a check mark at "Use external editor by default" then click it to remove the mark, and click "Save". Does that help? PrimeHunter 18:52, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Hardware
What is difference between core2 duo and dual core 2 ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonygecg (talk • contribs) 19:18, August 25, 2007 (UTC)
 * You might want to try the Reference desk, (computing section), this page is for help in using and editing wikipedia. Woodym555 23:20, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * See Intel Core 2 -- <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="Blue">Jreferee  (Talk) 06:51, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

improper licenses on images
I have come across an editor who has uploaded alot of images under what I think are completely incorrect license tags. These are mostly original drawings of fictional characters that are incorrectly labeled as screenshots of TV programs or software. I can't figure out what I am supposed to do, send them to IFD maybe, or WP:CP, or what? -- Diletante 19:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll reply at User talk:Diletante. Shalom Hello 03:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

deleted entry
Hello, I am a super novice and could use a little guidance. What did I do wrong, please, re: my Delores Gilbeaux entry? —Preceding unsigned comment added by THE PROS Black Actors Guide (talk • contribs) 19:56, August 25, 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello. According to the note on your talk page, that article was deleted because it did not establish the notability of the individual. There's a general notability guideline, Notability, and a number of specific ones, including several for people: Notability (people), Notability (pornographic actors). An article needs to specifically state what makes its subject notable enough to include in an encyclopedia. It also needs to offer verification of that through reliable sources. I'm sorry that I can't offer you more specific suggestions, but as the article was deleted I do not know what information it contained. --Moonriddengirl 20:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

religion
YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO PRINT FACT NOT FICTION, YOUR INFO ON CATHOLICISM IS SO OFF THE MARK. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * Everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia. If you feel the information is incorrect and can provide properly verifiable corrections, please do. Just remember to adhere to the essential Wikipedia tenet of neutrality and, if your changes are disputed, to discuss them on the article's talk page with civility. --Moonriddengirl 20:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Adding articles
How can I add new postings / articles?

--Almallah 21:59, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Your first article and How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. --Pekaje 22:21, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Redirect fails to move user to article
There is an article at 1 − 2 + 3 − 4 + · · ·. There is also a redirect to it at 1-2+3-4. It contains the following text:


 * 1) redirect 1 − 2 + 3 − 4 + · · ·

Yet the page actually redirects to 1 − 2 3 − 4 · · · (notice the lack of plus sign) and that one redirects to itself. The + sign is being wiped from the link in the page, and it redirects wrongly. This must have happened fairly recently... what's going on?

(p.s. Is this the right place to report this?)

-- BrokenBeta  &#x5B;talk · contribs&#x5D; 23:08, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The problem appears to affect all redirects with + in the target. I have reported it at Village pump (technical)/Archive 130. PrimeHunter 02:27, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The problem apparently started this month and has now been fixed. Thanks for reporting it. PrimeHunter 16:00, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm having major problems creating a user page.
I'm having major problems creating a user page; the link is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:KellyLeighC

I know it looks like crap. So far, all I added was one small section and my brain just went blank. I can't create a userpage from scratch. I need a step-by-step guide on what to do. Another user said 'you can borrow any ideas or templates you happen to like' but won't borrowing other templates or ideas be considered piracy and set your page up as an automatic candidate for deletion? I'm not trying to create a homepage, just a stupid userpage. Could someone stick some ideas on my page or my talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:KellyLeighC so I could go over them? Thanks.

KellyLeighC 23:11, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You might want to have a look at WikiProject User Page Help, list yourself there and someone will come forward. You could also look at the user pages they have done previously. Hope this helps. Woodym555 23:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep in mind that anything on Wikipedia (aside from certain images) is free to copy and reuse, including the contents of User pages. I wouldn't advise trying to make a userpage that imitates another user's, but borrowing templates and layouts is fine. -- Kesh 23:53, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Copying text with permission
Hello,

I like to enter a biographical entry and I have permission from the biography owner and the published web site. The entry is about David R. Hughes and his biography is published at http://www.west-point.org/academy/dgrad/Nomination.html. The bots do not allow me to use the entire text. What should I do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thetiamat (talk • contribs) 23:20, August 25, 2007 (UTC)


 * If there is no article on Mr. Hughes, write a new one. Don't copy & paste another, pre-written biography, even if you have permission. Wikipedia is meant to read as an encyclopedia, and most biographies are not written in a neutral manner. What you can do is cite portions of the biography when writing a new Wikipedia article about him (assuming he satisfies our notability guidelines). -- Kesh 23:56, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Make sure you understand that Wikipedia pages can be used by anyone who abides by the GFDL, so it will end up on other sites, such as answers.com. --h2g2bob (talk) 05:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

helping me
I need chinese speaker to translate please me! this text needs into english urgent

"缀钉二枚四角星花. 三级警督（下图）：缀钉一枚四角星花. " --Liu Wang Ching Chong 23:43, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. --Silver Edge 00:50, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Translation may have the resources you seek. I'm not sure if they'll work as fast as you want, but that's the place to go for help on-wiki.--Chaser - T 00:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, Translators available is a better page if you're looking for someone to translate something that isn't an article on another wiki. Good luck.--Chaser - T 00:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Per babelfish.altavista.com, it says something like "the rivet two four jiao stars are colored. Three levels of police supervise (next chart): Rivet four jiao stars are colored." -- <font face="Kristen ITC"><font color="Blue">Jreferee  (Talk) 06:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)