Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 December 17

= December 17 =

how do I add a photo?
I recently wrote an article (stub?) about a famous architectural building. . . how do I add a photo of the building? Also - when I wrote the title, I forgot to leave a space between the two words "Stone" and "Cottage" yet there is no edit button for the title. How can I add a space in between? Thanks Calie —Preceding unsigned comment added by Calickamo (talk • contribs) 00:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * See Help:Images and other uploaded files. You can move articles to a new name when your account becomes 4 days old. I have done it for you. I also added a reference section to display the references you made. See more at Footnotes. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Further request on company article
Hello all. I am making a further request stemming from my initial request for help on the [| Help Desk] of November 27 2007. In this request, I was seeking help in creating / publishing an NPOV article about the company I work for. It is a global engineering firm that has designed some very significant projects (eg. Wembley, Olympic Stadiums, Eden project). The firm has already been linked to several times in other Wiki articles (not by me). I was up-front about disclosing my COI and wanted to engage assistance in making sure I was not breaking any rules. I created a dummy article, it has now been moved to a [| sub-page] off my talk page. The general consensus of that Help Desk discussion was that the article was OK in terms of NPOV but needed some citation. That I have now done. There was also suggestion that I try and enlist help off the WikiProject Engineering page. I posted there on 28 November but have had no response.

Can anybody else help? I would be really happy for someone to publish the dummy article to save me breaking the COI rules. I have always been honest about my COI and would certainly be happy to make that disclaimer on the article if/when it is created. And yes, I understand that others will edit the article. (The reason I am being so meticulous about this is that I am a regular private user of Wikipedia and I don't want to resort to sock-puppets to get the article posted.) --Mat Hardy (Affentitten) (talk) 01:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sinclair Knight Merz Done, you might want to add some categories. RMHED (talk) 01:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * And thanks for respecting WP:COI. RMHED, I think it would have been better to move than copy-and-paste the page at User:Mathardy/Sinclair Knight Merz. There are GFDL concerns, and in this case I made an edit between your copy and your paste. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks RHMED. PrimeHunter, how can the issues you have flagged be resolved? --Mat Hardy (Affentitten) (talk) 02:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Whoops that GFDL can be pesky, PrimeHunter has speedy tagged it so your original User page draft can take its place. RMHED (talk) 02:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * So do I do that or does somebody else do it? *steps around the minefield* --Mat Hardy (Affentitten) (talk) 02:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Moonriddengirl just did it. Sinclair Knight Merz can be edited normally now (but WP:COI still applies). PrimeHunter (talk) 03:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help everyone. I appreciate it. I will disclose my COI on the articles talk page and put pointers back to here and the other discussions as well. --Mat Hardy (Affentitten) (talk) 03:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Good. I meant Moonriddengirl handled the move. If you were referring to adding categories then you are allowed when it's neutral and uncontroversial. Don't add Category:Best Australian companies (just made that up) or something like that. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

how to
Hello, my name is Owen Riley. I really want to know how to create an article on wiki. I've been searching the site all over and have found nothing. Can you help me?

-Owen —Preceding unsigned comment added by Owenriley (talk • contribs) 03:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * To create an article you must see if the article which you want create don't exist, and if don't exist you can create him; but have a thing: Do not copy text from other websites without a GFDL-compatible license. It will be deleted, and Wikipedia can be processed for this. Could I help you? =D --Brunoy Anastasiya Seryozhenko (talk) 03:48, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Your first article and How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Writing articles about your company/competitors
Hello

I submitted a question last month about a speedy deletion that was made on the article I created about the company I work for. It was suggested that a read an article about "writing an article about yourself/your company". I can't find this article and was hoping someone could send me the URL for this please.

Also, I am still confused as to why my article was deleted when one of our main competitors has a very similar article on the site.

Look forward to hearing your feedback.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shelleyc (talk • contribs) 06:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * From your previous post you were referred to WP:AB. --teb728 t c 08:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

enhanced packet pc
can i know what is the meaning of enhanced packet pc?....and where can i get information about it?....... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.153.35.1 (talk) 06:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Questions not related to Wikipedia should be directed towards the reference desk. Thanks. -- Hdt 83     Chat 06:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

inappropriate content
I have searched the editing pages and found no way to send a suggestion about inappropriate content. Maybe you can forward this for consideration. I was looking at the Sarasota High School page and there is a comment near the bottom of the first screen about another HS (apparently) "whipping their asses". This is rather childish and I don't feel it is appropriate in a Wikipedia article (whether it be factual or not). It belongs in blogs and chat rooms, perhaps, because the folks there are often off the wall but not a reference site. I don't expect any feedback.

. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.237.48.198 (talk) 06:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It was vandalism. I just reverted it. Dr.K. (talk) 06:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Next time you see stuff that obviously does not belong on Wikipedia, you can also remove it yourself. See instructions on how to remove vandalism quicly. -- Hdt 83     Chat 06:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

How to close your account
Hi. I was wondering what the procedure is to close your wikipedia account. Thanks in advance! vineetcoolguy (talk) 06:36, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Just stop using it. You can also put retired or a similar message on your user/user talk pages if you wish. Mr.  Z- man  06:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. vineetcoolguy (talk) 06:41, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

buy video
70.246.132.52 (talk) 08:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)luckyteresa5670.246.132.52 (talk) 08:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)lhow can i buy super mario 2?


 * Firstly, this page is designed for questions about using Wikipedia only. In future please ask questions like this at the Reference Desk. Also please only post your question once.
 * In answer to your question, searching Google for shops in your area seems like the best idea to find places. Without knowing where you are it is impossible for us to give you any help. Raven4x4x (talk) 08:31, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

?
How do I start my own topic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tb23 (talk • contribs) 10:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If you mean article, then follow these steps:
 * Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Your first article and How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. --Silver Edge (talk) 11:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

My Instructor used Wikipedia
I just remembered, about two months ago my instructor used Wikipedia as a source. The notes provided the link to the Wikipedia page, and a complete copy / paste of the page's contents. Is there something wrong with this, especially when it's very common for teachers to get angry at their students and fail them for using Wikipedia as a source? I don't believe an instructor should be teaching students information that has the potential to be false. No I wont provide a name, or where I go to, I just want to know if he technically has the RIGHT to do this. Thanks. Newspaper98 (talk) 13:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The relevant thing to read here is WP:REUSE. That said, it's almost always a better idea to use the sources of a wikipedia article, than the article itself, as wikipedia has the potential to be false (even if it is quite often right). I have no further opinion of how teachers use Wikipedia as study materials. It would all depend on how they use it. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:40, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Also, when citing Wikipedia, don't just include the article name, also include the revision number. This makes sure that it doesn't change since you're referring to a single revision of the article. Anyway, Wikipedia can still be a good source for casual use if used properly. Pyrospirit  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 14:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * As per the two replies above using Wikipedia can promote critical thinking. For example if the facts presented in the article are accompanied by in text citations from reliable sources then the student checks the article facts versus the citation facts and if they agree and if the students are satisfied the source is reliable they can include it in their paper. It takes active involvement on the students' part but this is what research and critical thinking are all about. Dr.K. (talk) 14:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia also promotes critical thinking by having an excellent set of articles on the topic. If every student could emerge from school with the ability to recognize all the standard fallacies that pollute routine human discourse, we might end up with an intellectually competent populace for the first time in history. Teaching students how to think is much more important than merely imparting some specific set of facts to them from the typical school subjects. --Teratornis (talk) 21:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Excellent points. Dr.K. (talk) 21:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * what a terrible idea - does the guy teach in clown college? Ask for a discount on your fees or tell him to start providing quality sources. --Fredrick day (talk) 15:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Considering that most of the world's children currently receive some sort of religious education, which teaches children to prefer faith rather than evidence, I'd have to consider Wikipedia an improvement. Just my opinion. At least on Wikipedia children can learn something about religious diversity, instead of being taught the usual lesson that one arbitrary religion (usually the one believed by the child's parents) holds absolute truth, and all the others are wrong. In any case, I suggest that the real value of Wikipedia for young people is not so much in the content of the articles, although that value is substantial, but in the procedural knowledge of how the world's largest remote collaborative volunteer project manages to organize itself. I elaborated on this in User:Teratornis/Tips for teachers. I.e., the most important thing for children to learn from Wikipedia is how to build a wiki, because that is how many of them are going to work as adults. Schools that provide state-of-the-art education will, of course, run their own wikis, where educators can verify the quality of instructional content, and students can learn to collaborate on their own pages. --Teratornis (talk) 21:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the comments everyone, maybe I can discuss with him later on how to use Wikipedia the correct way (but I'd prefer not at all - just use the sources from the Wikipedia articles). Although first off, I'm not a child, I'm an adult in college, and like I said, it was nothing but a copy/paste from the Wikipedia article with no other sources (except linking to the Wikipedia page he got the information from.)  It was an in-class lecture and he read off of it and handed out copies to everyone in the class.  So yes, for class he was reading to 35 students a Wikipedia article. Thinking now, he may of done it for more than just one article, but I check because he took all the documents off line since we already had our final.  Guess thats what I get for going to a community college... -sigh- Newspaper98 (talk) 16:39, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

User keeps creating page that has been previously deleted
These users keep creating this non-sense page for their backyard wrestling promotion after it had already been deleted. How do I prevent this person from continuouly creating this page?-- E n d l es s D a n  14:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * A deleting admin can "salt" the article title to prevent its recreation. I've done so. -- Orange Mike  |  Talk  15:10, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you Orangemike... you have (once again) saved the day!-- E n d l es s D a n  16:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi. Just to add that db-repost is not for articles that have been speedily deleted, but only those which have been deleted following a deletion discussion. :) Odds are usually good in such cases that the original speedy criterion applies, of course. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Question About Speedy Deletion Of Submission
To Whom It May Concern,

I submitted my first article to Wikipedia about an organization, Travel Sentry, that works with the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) in creating and deploying a system of TSA-accepted locks and locking devices for travelers. These special locks and locking devices are manufactured, distributed, and sold by third parties. In other words, Travel Sentry does not manufacture or sell any products or services. I wrote a submission about Travel Sentry, its background and history,etc. As a model for the submission, I used the McKinsey & Company entry found on Wikipedia.

My submission was speedily deleted with the following message:

20:53, 16 December 2007 Deb (Talk | contribs) deleted "Travel Sentry" ‎ (CSD G11: Blatant advertising: content was: '{{Infobox_Company | company_name = TRAVEL SENTRY® | company_type = Incorporated | company_logo = Image:TravelSentrystackedlogo.gif | founda...' (and the only)

I understand from reading the deletion policy that one of the deletion criteria is a Wikipedia cannot be about a specific company. My question, therefore, is why is McKinsey listed on Wikipedia? Should not they and others be deleted?

Thank you for your assistance.

Regards --Mirandads (talk) 15:28, 17 December 2007 (UTC)D. Miranda
 * Wikipedia entries can be about companies; we have thousands of such articles. What they must not be is written in a way which appears to serve as promotion of the company (articles which appear to only promote the subject can thus be speedily deleted under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, which it what happened in this case); they should not be written by people close to the subject (employees, members, directors, etc.) as they have an irreconcilable conflict of interest and are hard-pressed to write an article using a neutral point of view; the subject of articles must be notable and we company-specific company specific notability standards; and the information in articles must be verified through citation to reliable sources. Please also see the Business FAQ.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) I believe you misunderstood the deletion policy. The speedy deletion criteria that apply here are G11 and A7. G11 states that since Wikipedia is not advertising, articles that serve purely to promote a product, company, or person can be deleted. A7 allows certain articles, such as articles about companies, that do not establish notability to be deleted. Notable companies can have articles, but articles about non-notable companies or articles that advertise a company can be deleted under the deletion policy.
 * If you still have concerns about this, you can contact the administrator who deleted it or start a deletion review on it. Also, if you're associated with the company in question, I'd advise you read the conflict of interest policy. Pyrospirit  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 15:59, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I've created Travel Sentry as a redirect to Transportation Security Administration, which does mention the company. No comment on whether there should be an article about the company. —Random832 20:36, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Campese
Hi, I need some help. I was asked to look into creating an article about Mike Campese, a hard rock guitarist, by User:Googlyezes. I have reason to believe that this user is Campese himself; he's attempted to create his own article several times before. I've no intention of helping Campese write his own article, and so I'd like to know if Googlyezes has any deleted edits relating to Campese - uploaded images or prior versions of the now-deleted article that would indicate that I'm dealing with the man himself rather than a fan. Thanks. Chubbles (talk) 16:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * (S)he uploaded this image. Not sure about deleted edits though, I'm not an administrator yet. :) Rt . 16:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No deleted contributions. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

advanced search
Hello, I would like to do an advanced search, for example the list of all words under "chemistry" that begin with an "a". Is this possible? How?

Thanks-S —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.208.83.246 (talk) 17:04, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's a page. If it's not what you want, please come back. Thank you. Rt . 17:20, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

License Tagging...
I made an image that is a collage of cartoon characters. They are copyrighted characters but i made the picture myself, so what would the license tagging be on the image?

Thanks, Rebeldude457 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rebeldude457 (talk • contribs) 17:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It depends on many factors, but I'd advise you to read Copyrights. Hope this helps, Rt . 17:50, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Manual:Parameters to index.php bug
looks like the parameters of limit, dir, offset in w.r.t

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Parameters_to_index.php#History documentation

have no effect if &feed=rss is used.

an example of the RSS feed

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Intelligence_quotient&action=history&feed=rss&limit=50&dir=prev

doesn't work while the history page does

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Intelligence_quotient&action=history&limit=50&dir=prev —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.114.255.99 (talk) 18:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Could I ask what your requesting help for? Thank you. Rt . 19:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * File a bug. —Random832 20:39, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

How to change font
I was wondering if it is possible to change font wich is used in the articles. Could that change editing monobook.js file or something. If yes, could someone give the code how to do it. Thanks.213.186.250.251 (talk) 18:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Erm, I'd advise you not to change the font in articles, due to Wikipedia's need for consistency. If it is for your userpage, you can use this code; TEXT! . Here is a list of colours you can use in place of 333 and as for the size, change that as per what you want. Hope this helps,  Rt . 19:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * See WP:MOSCOLOR for the general guideline against customizing font styles in articles. On your user page, you can probably get as silly as you want. You are posting as an unregistered user; if that is because you have not created an account, then you will should create one so you can then create your user page and practice with different markup styles. --Teratornis (talk) 19:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I did mean that I want change fontstyle wich is used in article text so that change show's only for me, not for other users. I was thinking if I could change the font from my personal monobook-file.213.186.250.251 (talk) 19:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

You need to create an account, then you can place any css code in Special:Mypage/monobook.css. For example, mine contains: —Random832 20:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I totally forgot about the distinction between customizing the appearance of Wikipedia for one's own use vs. changing what everyone sees, so my brain took the wrong conditional branch. When you create an account, you can also try the various skins. See: Customisation for more details about what you can do. Customizing your view of Wikipedia has the added advantage of showing you whether you are logged in or not, by making the visual distinction more obvious. --Teratornis (talk) 21:33, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for help guys. I'm active in other language project so have acoount there. Once again thanks and sorry for my bad english :S 213.186.239.69 (talk) 12:15, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

indonesian music
Dear Sirs,

I am trying to get my page listed for years with you guys, everytime they say to me its not possible, due commercial pages. I think this is not fair, we only want to get listed with our url at the subject " Indonesian music " page, as an external link.

So my question is why is there an external link to Smisonain music, who also is commercial and sells Indonesian music. We are proudly in bussniss for more then 10 years, carry all kind of rare music, and have many happy customer.

If Smisonian is listed and we are not allowed to get listed as external link only, this is a strange politic, maybe a big recording label has more advantances with you then a poor hard working small specialiced music shop, who has also a lot of information.

I kindly ask you to consider this and list us also at the Indonesian music page

Regards, IndonesianMusic.com

Irma Pane Owner —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nirmala1505 (talk • contribs) 19:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * See WP:OTHERSTUFF. On Wikipedia, not all articles comply with guidelines and policies at a given time, because every editor has only a partial knowledge of what belongs here. The proper guide to follow is the guidelines rather than the articles. --Teratornis (talk) 19:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You're contributions show no prior addition of sources. Were they to deleted articles or additions to others still existing? Rt . 19:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Smithsonian Folkways Recordings is the nonprofit record label of the Smithsonian Institution, the national museum of the United States. It is not a commercial publisher or wholesaler. -- Orange Mike  |  Talk  19:26, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Your account was created 8 minutes before this post. It's unclear to me whether you have ever tried to create a Wikipedia article, or only tried to add an external link to an existing article. Indonesian music is not an article but it redirects to Music of Indonesia which has an external link to Smithsonian Folkways Recordings. I didn't find attempts to add other links in the recent article history. Note that per Conflict of interest and External links, you shouldn't add external links to your own business to articles, but you may suggest them on talk pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:34, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Golf
How did the term "Fore" come to be used when an errant golf shot was hit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.79.230.82 (talk) 19:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Rt . 19:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * See Fore (golf). PrimeHunter (talk) 19:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

How to change a page's title
I edited the National Library of Medicine entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Library_of_Medicine) so that it included a link to the ToxMystery entry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxmystery). When I checked my edit I noticed that the link goes to an error page. This is because the original creator of the ToxMystery entry made the file title Toxmystery and not the correct spelling of the site, ToxMystery. How do I change the ToxMystery entry's title? I've looked at the various rename/move entries but they're so dense it's hard to figure out what to do.

Samrosie (talk) 19:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Just click the 'move' tab and type in the new name and the rationale, in the appropriate windows; I did it for you in this case. -- Orange Mike  |  Talk  20:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Your account was created today. You can only move a page to a new title when your account is 4 days old. Then a "move" tab will appear at the top of the page you are viewing, next to "history". PrimeHunter (talk) 21:21, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Olympic Village Page
How do I provide information that might be used to expand the [Olympic Village stub] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Village,_Munich)? I was stationed there between March and May 1957. It would be best if I could collaborate with a Munich native because 50-year old knowledge is likely to be flawed.

Phil Duffy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.76.66 (talk) 19:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, Be Bold! - I'd suggest writing a message on the talk page of the article or contacting the WikiProject involved, (displayed on the talk page, link provided). Hope this helps, Rt . 20:20, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I would just edit the page with important facts. If you wanted people to know about your visit, type it in your blog. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ts41596 (talk • contribs) 20:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Please note Verifiability and Reliable sources. Users are not allowed to add unpublished knowledge. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
I have a question concerning vandalism. I recently updated a page about "Little Debbies". My edit was concidered vandalism, they said. I don't know what I did wrong, all I put was that Little Debbie's are good.

Thanks, Ts41596 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ts41596 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It was vandalism because you stated your Point of View, which is against Wikipedia guidelines (see WP:NPOV). Cheers, L  A  X  21:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Edits like this aren't acceptable. You have to remember we're trying to build an encyclopedia here, and not just a riff-raff of opinions. You may also want to see this page. Rt . 21:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The edit was . Maybe it wasn't intentional vandalism, but it was inappropriate. You should only add what reliable sources have said, and not your own beliefs. And this case became worse because you, probably by accident, added the text inside a reference. This made the text "No one can stand up to the taste of a Little Debbie" appear next to a link in the reference section, giving the false impression that it's something the reference said. Falsifying references is serious but I believe this was not your intention. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Making a Contribution
I would like to contribute a description of a company - could you tell me how to do this. I am sorry but I cant figure it out from the instructions.

Many thanks,

Christina Parsons (talk) 21:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.
 * Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Your first article and How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.  N F 24 (radio me!) 21:28, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

any idea where to get help?
We are doing an article being considered for featured article. We have a problem in that we have 180 references and some of them need fixing to bring them to a uniform format. We'd like to get 1 editor to help us (2 at most). Any ideas? Perhaps you? You'll get recognition as far as helping to get an article to become FA. My guess is that 70% of the references are already fixed. Archtransit (talk) 22:05, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Anyone interested, let me know on my talk page. I think we are ok for now and don't need gnome labour. Archtransit (talk) 23:49, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Video clip?
Does wikipedia have a policy on uploading video clips? Can they be fair use? &mdash; Noah¢s   ( Talk )  22:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Clips from copyrighted material? No way! -- Orange Mike  |  Talk  22:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes. There is a policy. Videoclips, just like any form of media can be uploaded to wikipedia as long as they do not violate any intelectual property laws. (See also the guidelines for Non-free content.) Of course, it's always good to remember that Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files. Most of the times videoclips can be replaced with animated gifs. -- Loukinho (talk) 22:57, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * See also Video policy (shortcut WP:Video). Though it's not really a policy (in the sense that it's a set of rules that anyone should follow) it contains some good recommendations for video uploaders.  N F 24 (radio me!) 23:02, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

How do you make a wikipedia page?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.216.101.28 (talk) 22:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Your first article and How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:35, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

URGENT request for help on Tasco
Hi. Can someone fix this? I tried to fix the footnotes, but ended up with collateral damage at the bottom. Can someone make the identical refs all point to the same ref, and keep the refs but sort out the collateral damage? I was going to make major edits to the article, but I need someone to fix this first. After it's been fixed, could someone notify me, preferably both here and on my talkpage, so I can resume editting? Please hurry so too many people don't notice this. Thanks. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 22:53, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Pictogram voting keep.svg|18px]] Fixed  N F 24 (radio me!) 22:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Message regarding editing: I didn't edit!
Hi there, While searching for an article in Wikipedia, I received the message below. I do not have a Wikipedia account nor have I ever edited an article. I'm not sure why I received this message. No need to reply -- just wasn't sure what this meant. Thanks!

User talk:63.231.149.197 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search

[edit] November 2007 Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to United States House Committee on Ventilation and Acoustics, did not appear to be constructive and has been automatically reverted by ClueBot. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you believe there has been a mistake and would like to report a false positive, please report it here and then remove this warning from your talk page. If your edit was not vandalism, please feel free to make your edit again after reporting it. The following is the log entry regarding this warning: United States House Committee on Ventilation and Acoustics was <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United+St —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.167.242 (talk) 23:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The message is at User talk:63.231.149.197. You probably have a dynamic IP address. If your ISP happened to give you the IP address 63.231.149.197 at the time, then you would have seen that message. It's about an edit which must have been made by somebody else while they had the same IP address. Don't worry about it. This often happens, and your post shows you are no longer at that IP address. There is nothing Wikipedia can do about dynamic IP addresses (which also frustrate us often). PrimeHunter (talk) 23:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * By far the best remedy is to create an account. You can edit as much as you want without getting random vandalism messages. Paragon12321 (talk) 01:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Someone flout me and and delete my contributions !!!
I have many many questions about "how do i use Wikipedia, how do i edit better my contributions on Wikipedia" and many others, regarding the fact that i'm a begginer and it's a little bit complicate for me to make contributions. My biggest problem it's that someone make fun of me and delete my contributions which are very notable. I gave links about the subject of my contributions and i assure you that my contributions have very serious subjects and interesting. I don't know how to use very well Wikipedia and what should i do for not let others make fun of me and delete my contributions, but i suppose that if i let you know about that maybe you'll help me. Thanks a lot and please let me know if there's any possibility to bring back my contributions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drokstef (talk • contribs) 23:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks like you're talking about the nomination of Kord (band) for deletion. First, the AfD process is a discussion about the merits of the article, not a guarantee that it will be deleted. Second, when people on Wikipedia discuss "notability", they are talking about the notability guidelines, most generally those at WP:N, but in this case the ones for bands at WP:BAND - in particular, articles need to be verifiable by references to independent reliable sources, e.g. a newspaper review of the band's album.
 * And please note that people aren't making fun of you, or at least they shouldn't be - on Wikipedia we're all meant to be civil and assume good faith. The problem is that with so many people creating articles about themselves, their friends, their garage band with no albums or gigs, their corner shop, and so forth, there need to be procedures to sort the trash from the treasure. Confusing Manifestation (Say hi!) 01:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)