Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 December 18

= December 18 =

Create an Article Template?
I like to see myself as a occaisional VP/HD/RD contributor. I've noticed that when the umpteenth anon askes how to make an article, the response is exactly the same. Is everyone using a template or do you guys just have it memorized? Paragon12321 (talk) 01:30, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Check Wikipedia talk:Help desk. It's not the only one - we have them for invoking the right to vanish, pointing people to the Reference desk, and renaming/moving articles, some of the most common queries we get here. They're also mentioned at /How to answer. Confusing Manifestation (Say hi!) 01:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That'll save me some time. Thanks! Paragon12321 (talk) 21:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Inappropriate
people are saying inappropriate stuff —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilrico (talk • contribs) 01:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you elabourate? Perhaps which people? Which page? What are they saying? While Wikipedia is not censored, personal attacks and civility are not allowed and violations of those rules are taken very seriously.  N F 24 (radio me!) 01:51, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Precisely. We need to know where it's happening and who's writing these messages. — Jonathan 02:46, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Title edit.
How do you edit the title of a page you've created?

RobPrewer (talk) 04:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Go to "Special:Movepage/the name of the article" to move the page to a new title.   jj137  ♠ 04:02, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Or click the "move" tab at top of the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Change the main title name
I have an article on Misa Campo but wikipedia is listing it as Misa campo. When i attempt to edit the page I can acess the title name how do I correct the "c" turning the lower case to the upper —Preceding unsigned comment added by Papihec5 (talk • contribs) 04:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Click the "move" tab at top of the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:06, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Note that you must wait four days before a new account can move pages. -- Hdt 83     Chat 05:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * FYI, the page at Misa Campo is protected from editing. You may request admin unprotection at requests for protection / unprotection. -- Hdt 83     Chat 05:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * An admin has already moved it to Misa Campo. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Biological Engineering and Bioengineering
Dear Help desk:

I am the current President of the Institute of Biological Engineering (IBE), www.ibe.org. Several of our members have expressed concern that the Biological Engineering entry is redirected to Bioengineering. There is a difference between these two names, as recognized by the Accreditation Board of Engineering and Technology and numerous engineers and their societies. Biological Engineering is the more general discipline, including all engineering applications to living systems, while Bioengineering more narrowly refers to engineering applied to medicine and human health.

The current entry for Bioengineering reads like a description of Biological Engineering rather than Bioengineering, so I just edited it to change Bioengineering to Biological Engineering except when it is more narrowly referring to medicine. However, it would be appropriate to move this entry to Biological Engineering (rather than as currently under the Bioengineering heading) and I need your help to do that. If you would like, we could then start a more specific and accurate entry for Bioengineering.

Note: The incoming president of ASABE, the other organization currently linked from the Bioengineering page, is Jim  Dooley, whose email is [removed to protect him from spam]. Jim has also asked to make this change and I have sent him a copy of this email.

Thanks!

- Tom Richard email removed to protect your privacy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tlr20 (talk • contribs) 04:35, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The history of the Biological engineering redirect shows that it was created when the article was moved to Bioengineering. Your concerns about the naming of the article are also raised on the Bioengineering talk page (a talk page is an area for users to discuss isues they see with the related article; see this page for more information), but it seems that the discussion is relatively sporadic and has not reached a lasting consensus.


 * That being said, it should be relatively simple to split the content off if you are so inclined. You need to first familiarize yourself with our policies and guidelines before making your proposal on the Bioengineering talk page.  If you are proposing that the entire page be moved (i.e. renamed), then upon reaching consensus/in the absence of any major objections, you need to list the page at Requested moves.  If your goal is to split off the content related to biological engineering and leave the content related to bioengineering, upon reaching consensus you can simply move content over as you feel it is appropriate, noting in your edit summaries that the transferred content was sourced from the Bioengineering article.


 * I know this is a lot of information to process at once, but please feel free to ask any other questions you may have either here or on my talk page. -- jonny - m t  06:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Where did my article go?
I am not a registered user. I created an article on Dec 16 at ~4:00PM EST about the .950 JDJ rifle cartridge. This article does not appear in search results, is not properly linked from the "list of rifle cartridges" page despite that page having the proper .950 JDJ link, I cannot find it in the deletion log/discussions, I cannot find it in the "New pages" list, etc. It seems to have vanished into thin air. Can someone help me find it and find out what has happened to it?

Thanks, Jason —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.215.3 (talk) 04:55, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi! After searching through your list of contribs, it seems that you submitted the article to articles for creation. The article was reviewed by Theone00 here and declined because it lacked sources to verify content. I would suggest resubmitting the article this time with a list of external links to various sources so that the article can be put up on Wikipedia. Hopefully this helps. -- Hdt 83     Chat 05:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * So any random registered user can decline my article based on a perceived lack of verifiability? I did follow the Wikipedia guideline of at least one external, third-party, reliable source, and that source verifies a significant portion of the facts presented in the article.  I will admit it does not verify ALL of them, but some of the facts presented are things I simply know for fact due to years of reading on the subject (ie in the past, who knows where), and it was my understanding that it's not required to cite for EVERY fact in an article.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.215.3 (talk) 05:22, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the only source that is presented in the submission is a link to the homepage of SSK Industries. It would be more helpful to provide a specific link that displays information on the cartridge. Yes, you don't need a cite for every single fact especially the obvious ones but it is always better to have a reference to back up claims to make sure they are true. If you do not want your submissions to be reviewed at Articles for creation, creating an account account means you can create your own pages without having them reviewed. -- Hdt 83     Chat 05:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand, but where is the line drawn? There are only a handful of rifles in the world chambered for this cartridge and as such web-based, linkable, good sources are scarce.  Even the SSK site only references the .950 JDJ in a couple of places, usually obliquely.  I wish to make information on the cartridge available, and I want to cite as much as possible, but there will be some inevitable unsupported statements in my article and I want to see it published.  To what degree do wikipedia editors read the sources?  If I link to a lengthy page on cartridge development at the SSK site, with one sentence about the .950 cartridge, is the editor going to find this or dismiss my statement as poorly cited?


 * On a different note, how do I resubmit my page for consideration? Simply edit it at AfC and click "save"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.215.3 (talk) 05:40, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, it appears your submission had 3 sources at the bottom, but the heading said ==Sources== instead of ===Sources===. This meant the sources section was not tied to the rest of the submission, and the sources disappeared in later submissions before a registered editor evaluated your submission. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually that's true, they did disappear, but two of them were not good sources so I'm not sad to have seen them go. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.215.3 (talk) 05:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, Jason. "articles for creation" is only one way to get an article onto Wikipedia. It requires postive effort by a volunteer to get turned into an article. The more common way is for you to first register as a user, and then create the article yourself: then the article would require positive effort by two volunteers to get deleted. Anyone who has been a registered user for four days may create an article. Your article, with good sources, would probably not have been deleted. An even better approach is to first register and create a user page for yourself, and then create your article initially as a sub-page of your user page. For example, a registered username of "Foo123" has a user page named "User:Foo123" and may create a sub-page named "User:Foo123/.950 JDJ rifle cartridge" Work on your article, then ask for comments from others who are knowledgable, and after it's in good enough shape, move your article (using the "move" tab at the top of the page) into the main article space. Please read Writing your first article for some guidelines to prevent your article from being deleted. And thanks for helping. -Arch dude (talk) 11:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Can I be a contributing source of information?
My name is Cinnamon Spice (my nom de plume). After reading your homepage, it seemed to me that I maybe be able to contribute to Widipedia as a researcher & a writer. As a disabled Vietnam Era Veteran, with my disabilities, I've been forced into an early retirement. This gives me a lot of time on my hands. With a BA in Liberal Studies with a minor in Fine Arts have given me a broad knowledge of topics that could be contributed to your encyclopedia. I've been a teacher, musician, writer, search & rescue operator, a radio communications operator and more. With the plethora of information I have on numerous topics; I could ad info to what you either already have, as well as adding new topics to your "wealth" of information. I might even be able to add topics that no one else has thought of. With the myriad of knowledge out in the real world, and my medical conditions, I have data on pills and medications that somehow they seem to miss when they list the "facts of side effects" and maybe be able to add any data that they left out or forgot. Haven't you ever wondered about the percent of persons that somehow don't fit within the percentage of people who do not get the expected reaction. If a pill works for 99% of the people who take it, What about that 1% of the people where either did not respond as expected? Do you know that I turned out to be that 1 in 5000 people who had an active negative reaction to the Measles Vacine? I could write about my unexpected experience, so that those getting the adult booster have a real reality on what to expect. A blow to my head not only kept me infertile, it also messed up my metabolism so bad, that in some things, my body has a tendency to work in revearse to certain treatments and medications. So, in your article on the "Measles", under unexpected and rare reactions; I could write what it means to have an unexpected and rare reaction to the Booster. To add a bit extra to this story, even the doctors told me that my unexpected negative reaction to the booster was not contagious because it was not made with live cultures...still warned me to stay away from women who were pregnant and to stay out of the sun. Sounds to me that if I was given dead bugs, how come my rash was treated by the doctors as though it was a live culture? It's safe but at the same time it still deadly and can cause damage to others anyway. Wouldn't adding this info to your topic of Measles be useful to know? I want to tell people about what happened. Then those getting the booster will have a better informed idea of what to expect. Let me know if I can be a contributor to Wikipedia. Please send me your response to (CONTACT INFO REDACTED). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brendyo01 (talk • contribs) 05:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

explain the shorthand stroks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.168.5.82 (talk) 06:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Is it wise to display your personal e-mail address, considering it's displayed publicly. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 08:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia. I've removed your contact information. Wikipedia is sometimes scanned by people who will not use that material ethically. As far as your contributions, please feel free to help out. With regards to your response to the measles shot, we do have policies regarding original research that might make the use of such material problematic. Unless your experiences have been recorded in a reliable source, they will not meet our verifiability policy. Please take a look at the "five pillars" to get a very concise overview of our policies and procedures. After that, you might be interested in looking for a WikiProject to help you begin. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Ginger Jolie deletion
Thank you, Jody —Preceding unsigned comment added by JodyPalmer1 (talk • contribs) 06:56, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

❌ :I've placed a tag on the article for a speedy deletion, an administrator will soon respond. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 08:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Skynet, while some articles may indeed, qualify for speedy deletion, you should realize that the subject of an article cannot simply request an article deleted because they do not wish it here. The subject has no say whether articles remain or not. The requirements for inclusion are covered by the biographies of living person policy, verifiability and notability, etc. The tag has been removed by an administrator, because the page does not fall under the speedy deletion criteria. As to the OP, I would suggest that you discuss any concerns about the article you have on the article's discussion page, but just because you'd like something to not be mentioned, unfortunately, is not how Wikipedia works. Take a look at the five pillars of Wikipedia to understand more. Cheers, Ariel  ♥  Gold  09:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I've re-looked at the five pilers, what shall we do about the comment then. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 09:06, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I suggested that the original poster discuss the issues on the talk page, if any inaccuracies exist in the article, those of course can be addressed and reliable sources can be found to verify information. The articles do need to strictly adhere to WP:BLP, which is why I suggest the original poster discuss concerns on the talk page. Ariel  ♥  Gold  09:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * ✅ i've placed a request for the user to post any comments on the article's talk page, and to provide a reliable source for the information, i hope it sounds alright. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 09:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I have removed some sex quotes which didn't seem very encyclopedic. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:BIO has a section that lists notability criteria for pornographic actors. But note, to the extent that the subject is gaining additional notability through "mainstream" modeling, that is an argument for keeping our coverage of the subject's career. In any case, TANSTAAFL evidently applies to nude modeling as a career choice. In my opinion, it's sad that we live in a hypocritical society that stigmatizes the sex trade while simultaneously patronizing it. It's too bad that more people don't understand basic sociobiology and learn to get over themselves. --Teratornis (talk) 19:23, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

white text?
Hi. How do I make the text white at the headers of the episode list table at Degrassi: The Next Generation (season 1)? I've tried everything I can think of, but I'm sure it's something simple! Thanks, -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 07:19, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Changing the lines to style="background-color: #191970; color:#fff;" width="50" (enclosing the whole colour part in one set of " ... ") seems to work for me. Hope you don't mind, but I've added this to the article. -- Kateshort forbob  10:14, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't mind at all - saves me a job. Thanks! -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 21:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Switch user names?
Hello, I was hoping to change my current user name from "Jarfingle" to something else. Is that at all possible? Jarfingle (talk) 07:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, to change an username, follow the instructions at WP:CHU. -- Hdt 83     Chat 08:36, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

antigue pendant watches
I am in search of research for humbert watches, history and dates more than likely .. How or where would i go about searching ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.68.248.204 (talk) 08:02, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * You may like to try the Miscellaneous section of the Reference desk, which specialises in general knowledge questions. This page is for asking questions about using Wikipedia. Wikipedia doesn't seem to have an article on the subject at present - the closest I can find is Pocket watch. Alternatively, you could try a Google search, which turns up this and this, although I don't know how relevant they are. -- Kateshort forbob  10:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Use of prepositions and Conjunctions
there are words and phrases which use : but if"; and also'; not only;things of sorts; and this/these that there is/are ; that is to; that this is/these are; that theirs is a  and then, then and there;at that moment;  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.241.44 (talk) 12:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi! This page is for asking questions about using Wikipedia; you may like to try the Language section of the Reference desk, which specialises in general knowledge questions. You might also need to rephrase your question - I can't quite understand what you're asking at the moment. Thanks! -- Kateshort forbob  13:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

change username
is it possible to do this? -- MKnight  9989  13:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes - have a look here. Giles Bennett (Talk, Contribs) 13:28, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You can also move the page instead of making a redirect.  Redmarkviolinist  (talk) 03:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not a viable option. The new User space would not belong to the User who moved their User ID there, and all of the user's edits would still be registered under the original name.   Corvus cornix  talk  00:14, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Previously deleted pic uploaded
I had a similar problem yesterday, but now it's with an image. This user previously had an image deleted due to it's questionable licensing (check her talk page). It was believed the photo was lifted off the net. Not a first for this user. But now this user has uploaded the same picture (Image:Labradoodle Brown.jpg) and used the same file name again. What can be done? -- E n d l es s D a n  14:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If you can prove that the image is a copyright violation of an image from the web, then use the tag to mark it as a candidate for speedy deletion. The user claims that they are the author of the image, however, and the previous images appear to have been deleted not because they were copyright infringements, but because the editor didn't provide the appropriate licensing information within the correct period. I'd be inclined to assume good faith, as the fact that the licensing information hadn't been completed doesn't automatically lead to an assumption that the licensing is questionable. Giles Bennett (Talk, Contribs) 14:40, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess I will just go this route. This user is pretty notorious for using images she finds on Google, but finding that pic on a breeder's website is almost like finding a needle in a hay-stack. Thanks anyway! -- E n d l es s D a n  14:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Using text from one article for another
Can someone show me a policy (if one exists, which I imagine it does) preventing the use of text from one article in another? (i.e. I like this text in poison oak so I add a relevant section to my article on poison ivy.) That is a hypothetical example; I'm just wondering for my vandalism checks if there is such a policy. Thanks, --Daysleeper47 (talk) 15:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know of a policy preventing such duplicate use (although somebody may find one), but by How to fix cut-and-paste moves and Help:Merging and moving pages, I can say that if you transfer material from one article to another, you must wikilink the source article in your edit summary in order to comply with GFDL. For duplication, you would likely need to note the same. What I'm not sure how to handle is the note at the source article. For GFDL reasons, an article that has had material merged or copied into other articles must be preserved for its edit history. (This is why we have the Category:Redirects from merges.) I might be inclined to note it on the talk page with a pretty clear header in case the source article should ever be subject to deletion. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

User page redirect
Is there a policy against redirecting user pages? For example, my page is User:Kainaw, but what if I wanted to make User:Darth Vader redirect to my page? What if the username wasn't in use? Just looking for the policy. -- k a i n a w &trade; 17:38, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know, but we can search the Wikipedia: namespace with Google custom:
 * That finds a few links. WP:USERNAME, for example, says you can make a redirect from a common misspelling of your username, but that does not seem to be what you are asking. You can examine the rest of the search results, maybe something relevant is in there. --Teratornis (talk) 18:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That finds a few links. WP:USERNAME, for example, says you can make a redirect from a common misspelling of your username, but that does not seem to be what you are asking. You can examine the rest of the search results, maybe something relevant is in there. --Teratornis (talk) 18:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * If you own the account User:Darth Vader (such as a legal sockpuppet or a namechange), it's acceptable to do so. There's nothing about it on the redirect guideline page, however these links specifically recommend using redirects in this manner, or confirm that they are used in that manner: WP:USER WP:CHU WP:SOCK. If the account has been previously created and has contributions, this should not be done, as it confuses who made those contributions. If the account exists without contributions, you should probably go though usurpations. If the account does not exist, it should probably be created first provided it meets the criteria specified at WP:SOCK. I cannot find any one page that specifically states all of this, however based on other pages, policies, and guidelines, and my own assumptions, this would seem to be the most logical guide. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 18:32, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

talk page
... Where is the talk page that I am supposed to write messages on? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JakobaEng (talk • contribs) 17:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Go to the page you want to comment on, and up at the very top of the page, click on "discussion".  AndrewJD  TALK  -- 17:46, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * For more information, see: Help:Talk page. (In addition to finding it, you should also read about how to use it.) --Teratornis (talk) 17:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

biodiesel
I am researching a biodiesel facility, and i found a site that was more beneficial to me, than the ones you had listed! I edited it, and was accused of spamming! I understand this, but i am in no way affiliated with the site i mapped, i just thought it was a more informative site, than the ones you had listed!. Pharm boy is threatening to ban me! This does not seem fair, for the other sites mentioned were basically for advertisement, the site i posted is not a adevertisement. It is in fact the best site i have found, and it seems to me, that you guys may get paid to put sites on! Please email me back, i just want to have the best info available! And the external links you had set, were definatley not the best! please email about this! jonathan king  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.155.49.37 (talk) 19:03, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * We rarely communicate by email for such matters. Your IP address has 4 edits other than this post and all 4 added the same external link. Our experience is that when somebodys only Wikipedia contribution is repeated addition of the same link then they are usually promoting their own site. It may not have been the case here, but if others object to a link then don't keep adding it which is what you got the second more serious warning for. You can suggest the link on the talk page of the article. In this case the reverting editor has already posted atTalk:Biodiesel where you can reply. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Referencing companies working on OTEC
On the entry page for OTEC there are several subheadings that I would like to contribute information to. Specifically they are: History of OTEC, How OTEC works (open cycle), Some proposed projects, Technical difficulties (Degradation of heat exchanger performance by dissolved gases). All of these areas are directly related to work being done at OCEES International, Inc. and some mention specifically work currently underway by OCEES without mentioning OCEES as the company perfomring the work. I have previously been told that links to for-profit companies were not allowed. Does this also apply to referencing for-profit companies when discussing the work they are doing? Under the section titled "The closed/Anderson cycle," a private company (Sea Solar Power, Inc.) is mentioned by name. If there is nothing wrong with this as far as the rules governing Wikipedia entries are concerned, it would seem logical that there would be nothing wrong with mentioning OCEES in the applicable sections that discuss teh work OCEES has, or is currently directly involved in. Otherwise I would expect the mention of other for-profit companies to be removed from the entry. Please advise as to how this issues stands.72.234.21.166 (talk) 20:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Generally, the names of specific companies doing work should be omitted in most cases unless it is specifically relevant to what is going on. Whatever OTEC is, please try to write about it without any unnecessary mention of the specific firms doing the work, particularly if you have any sort of connection to the company (due to our conflict of interest policies). -- Orange Mike  |  Talk  20:46, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia blocked
Wikipedia has been totally blocked from many schools across the nation, due to Wikipedia graphic detail and pictures. Wikepedia should have a different publication directed toward school systems. Judy —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.65.67.217 (talk) 20:42, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * While I understand your reasons for commenting, Wikipedia is not censored. Students should be supervised when using computers connected to the internet, just as children hopefully are at home. Ariel  ♥  Gold  20:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If you want to know about alternative methods of getting Wikipedia, look at some projects here.  AndrewJD  TALK  -- 20:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Those schools take the easy option. They could also use parental supervision software to block pages they find objectionable while allowing access to the non-troublesome pages instead of just blocking the entire site. - Mgm|(talk) 20:51, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Schools could also set up their own collaborative filtering, rather than using the same censorship tactics as communist China. Blocking Wikipedia altogether deprives students of a remarkably vast collection of knowledge. Consider: if it were possible for a student to learn everything that is in Wikipedia, and nothing else, that student would be better-educated than any student graduating from any school which currently blocks Wikipedia, i.e. better-prepared to face a vast range of real-world problems. Also see: User:Teratornis/Tips for teachers. Granted, no human has the time or mental capacity to learn everything that is in Wikipedia, but smarter humans will seek to gain at least an overview, and the ability to look up information relevant to the real-world situations they face. From what I have seen, the majority of humans seem to treat unfamiliar situations as if nobody has ever written anything about them, leading to enormous inefficiencies, loss of value, and unnecessary reinvention of wheels. Studying Wikipedia might be the antidote for Not Invented Here. --Teratornis (talk) 21:23, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Black Wikipedia
Why doesn't Wikipedia have blakc equivalant? google has blackle. wikipedia should have blackpedia.com or wikiblack.com to conserve energy and help our environment. 75.86.146.156 (talk) 21:48, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You're welcome to make the suggestion at our tech village pump or the MediaWiki development site. Also, if you wish to use a black skin, you can register an account and then modify your own CSS page. You can then make the black skin freely available to others. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 22:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello. please see previous discussions: here, here, and here.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This was brought up on Talk:Main Page, and someone had a very nice one. It might have been Aaron Brenneman. Maybe. Prodego  talk  22:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I remember that, it was Brian0918 monobook brought up here. ▪◦▪ ≡S i R E X≡  Talk 03:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, good find. I knew there was a 'B'. Prodego  talk  03:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Copyright Violation
I reported an article, E Troop, 238th Cavalry (United States), that was in copyright violation of another website:. I rewrote the article using that site as a source and I don't think it's infringing on the copyright anymore. How can I submit this new version before someone deletes the original.--Heno (talk) 22:46, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Copy the text of the new article to Talk:E Troop, 238th Cavalry (United States)/Temp, then leave a message on Talk:E Troop, 238th Cavalry (United States) noting that you have done so. An admin will come round and finish up the work.  N F 24 (radio me!) 22:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

who thought of wikipedia
i need to know who made wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.110.51.135 (talk) 22:56, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * See Jimbo Wales - Yamanbaiia (talk) 22:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * See also Citing Wikipedia.  N F 24 (radio me!) 23:00, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hahah yeah, but the IP said "who thought of wikipedia" not "who writes wikipedia". -Yamanbaiia (talk) 23:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

See History of Wikipedia (Jimbo wasn't the only one involved in Wikipedia's coming-into-being). Grace notes T § 23:08, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Also see:
 * The Hive, by Marshall Poe, The Atlantic Monthly, September 2006 - an article describing the history of Wikipedia
 * --Teratornis (talk) 06:47, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Triple images
I have seen Double image, but was wondering if there is any way to put three images side by side.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 23:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know a template but Double image uses tables. You can do this and much else with tables. Below is an ugly primitive example. Table experts can make it much better. And for easy later use, you could try asking for a triple image template at Requested templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * No need to go to Requested Templates, I've already made one here: Triple image. Has the same parameter scheme as Double image, it just has another set of image/size parameters (obviously). Hers fold  (t/a/c) 03:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)