Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 January 20

=January 20=

Images
Hello, I am a new user. I was just wondering how you put pictures on articles? Thank you and I await your response so please respond soon. Radical3 00:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You might want to start by reading Picture tutorial, Image use policy, and Uploading images. If you have futher questions after that, please feel free to ask.  -- John Broughton  |  (♫♫) 00:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I can't work out what to do about Sxe injected
I arrived at Sxe injected on a recent changes patrol to revert some vandalism and discovered an article with a copyvio tag but the article doesn't appear to have been listed on the copyright problems page. The article is a claimed copyright violation of this page and appears to be a translation (from Spanish?). Any suggestions about what should be done with this page? Random Passer-by 00:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It is listed on the copyvio page here. Looks like page deserves deleted, as a quick Babelfish translation looks really close to what's on the article page. Would've been helpful if the user had followed instructions and left better notes, though. -- Kesh 00:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

So a translation is still a copyvio? I know nothing about this area of copyright law and I can't find a Wikipedia copyright policy page which mentions translation. If it is then I'll add a speedy deletion tag (unless another editor does so first). Random Passer-by 01:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Without permission, yes. It's still the same text, just in a different language. Otherwise, someone could translate the latest Tom Clancy or Stephen King novel into, say, Swedish and sell it without paying royalties to the author & publisher. -- Kesh 01:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) A translation of free material is of course not copyvio, but a translation of copyvio material is. See Talk:X60 Train for another example. Unfortunately the WP:VPA thread I refer to there is surely archived, but if you're interested, you can search for it. Basically, the idea is that translation doesn't magically solve the copyright problem with material. --Tkynerd 01:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I'll have a better idea of what to do if I encounter a similar problem again. I've added a speedy deletion tag. Thank you both. Random Passer-by 01:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Copyvio isn't a speedy deletion criterion. I have blanked the page, fixed the url, and listed it on today's copyvio log. --Wooty Woot? contribs 07:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio is a speedy deletion criterion (although it arguably might not apply in this case). I checked before I added the tag. See WP:CSD (criterion 12). Not that it particularly matters as long as the problem is dealt with. :-) Random Passer-by 16:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Deleting a #redirect
How do I delete a #REDIRECT? I created one that I regret. It's a long story and has to do with a stalker that's trying to track me down. Philiped 01:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It kind of depends on the circumstances, but in general, you could just put on the page. --Sopoforic 01:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

How do I get to a #redirect page in order to request its deletion?
Thanks. But...

There is no page on which to put the request, because when I click on the link it takes me directly to the page it's pointing to. Philiped 02:41, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * When you end up at the target of the redirect, look right underneath the article title. There should be a little gray line which reads Redirected from somewhere .  Click on the link to somewhere to get to the redirect page itself.  Edit away. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 02:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's an example for getting to a redirect page: click on this link: Dubya. You should be redirected to George W. Bush. There will be the title "George W. Bush" at the top of the page, and then the subtitle "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia", and then you will see
 * (Redirected from Dubya)

...approximately. So then, click on "Dubya" there, and that's how you can get to the redirect page. Do the same with your article, and then you'll be able to edit the redirect page. Blank it (the redirect page) and put db-author on it... and an admin should delete it. Grace notes T &#167; 02:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If it's not an article of your creation, though, list it on Redirects for discussion. Tito xd (?!?)

Yankee Stadium
what is the actual location that the New Yankee Stadium is being built? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.202.226 (talk • contribs) 03:23, January 20, 2007
 * Sorry, this page is for questions about Wikipedia itself. Try looking at New Yankee Stadium or ask again on the Reference desk. -- Kesh 03:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

My redirect pages are coming out wrong
When I try to create a redirect page and click "Show preview," the redirect shows up as a number followed by the target page.

For example, I just created a page on Július Tomin. A lot of people will probably type Julius Tomin, without the accent mark, in the search window. So, I created a page "Julius Tomin" and typed in "#redirect Július Tomin" (without the quotes, and with double brackets). Then I clicked "Show preview". Instead of the redirect arrow, I saw this:


 * 1.  redirect Július Tomin

The same thing happens when I put "REDIRECT" in caps. What am I doing wrong? Thank you. Cal Evans 04:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * If you click show preview, that's what it looks like. Click Save Page with the text #REDRIECT Target, and you should be fine! &mdash; D e on555talkdesksign here! 04:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

to enrole in tournament
How to enrole my self in WCG tournament?
 * I assume you're referring to the World Cyber Games. I'd suggest their Official website. John Reaves (talk) 08:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Logo
Why does the Wikipedia Logo, world globe and Navigation box and In other languages box overlay the page, is my question. This MacBook was saving pages to Documents and calling up pages and there was no interference of the logo material and suddenly this annoyance appears

Number of articles in a category
Hello,

I was wondering whether there is an easy way to determine how many articles currently belong to a specific category?

Thanks. —Xhantar Talk 10:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * See CatScan, but it wont work for very big categories. I personally use AWB. It requires some iterations to get to the result if you also want articles under the sub categories. &mdash; Lost (talk) 11:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! —Xhantar Talk 13:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You could also use Pockbot - it will "produce for a given wikipedia category, a table listing all articles within that category (and all subcategories of that category), as well as the status of those articles". -- John Broughton  |  (♫♫) 16:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

deleting images
I uploaded several images but would like to delete them. How do I do that?
 * Only administrators can delete images. Edit the description pages for your images and put db-author somewhere in the text, and save. An administrator will delete your images shortly. Cheers, Tangotango (talk) 14:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

deleting an entry
There is a duplicate article for Agrobacterium tumefaciens which is classified as a plant stub and called Agrobacterium temefaciens. It has no new information in it, is very short, and is only there because tumefaciens is spelled incorrectly. It should be deleted but I don't know how to do that. Can someone help? Incidentally the stub is misclassified because A. tumefaciens is a bacterium, not a plant.Sarahjg 14:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I have redirected the article to the correct name. &mdash; Lost (talk) 15:11, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Missing article?
Hi. I created an article about our company, HUMANY under the Categories
 * Companies of Sweden

it worked fine. only something about a picture that we have done our self, but maybe I tagged it wrong regarding copywright?

doris.jpg

But now suddenly all the information are gone?! I cant fint it anymore.

Why?

We have the same information in the Swedish Wikipedia since many years, but this I have translated in english.Its mote than advertising. Its informaion about a tecnology and historical information (Swedish minister, Carl Bildt was in our board)

Best Regards

Pascal DeBeaux —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.233.30.215 (talk • contribs) 16:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * My guess -- and that's all it is -- is that the article would have been deleted as non-notable. If it did not make claims of notability that satisfy that guideline, it was probably speedy-deleted; otherwise it may have gone through an AfD or been prodded (proposed for deletion). Unfortunately there's no way for non-administrators to see the history of deleted pages, and I don't know of a good way to search old deletion discussions. --Tkynerd 17:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There appears to have never been an article at HUMANY; could you tell us the exact name (case-sensitive) of the article you created? We must know this information to find out what happened to your article. Cheers, Tangotango (talk) 17:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

the exact name was: Humany

category: Swedish companies

It just lost now. Do i need to translate the artice again now?
 * According to the deletion log (here), the article was deleted by User:Fang Aili. You might want to bring this up with her directly on her talk page. -- Rick Block (talk) 22:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Myspace on Wikipedia
Hi. I'm slightly curious about how the Wikipedia community sees links to myspace profiles in articles. Whilst on vandalism patrol, I often revert external myspace links, viewing them as spam links. However, I'm not sure whether this is the correct action to take. Can someone let me know what the accepted view on such links is? Many thanks Matthuxtable 17:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not very familiar with MySpace, but as I understand it, it is essentially a blog site to which users upload their own media/musings/detritus. In which case, your approach is correct: external links to blogs and fora are discouraged, and their use for references/research/citations is not permitted, as I understand it. Adrian M. H. 17:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't oppose a MySpace link if it's abundantly clear it belongs to the subject of an article that's undeniably notable. However, I don't recommend such links to be used as a source. And having a MySpace page isn't a good reason for someone to get an article. They're also subject to the spam policy. - 87.209.70.231 18:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It's #10 at External_links. The link pretty much says it all.--Kchase T 18:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Additionally you need to be aware of imposter sites - there are several musicians with several fake MySpace profiles. And blog?\.myspace\.com is also blacklisted. -- zzuuzz (talk) 18:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * However, I would say there's nothing wrong with listing, on a musician's page, a MySpace page that the musician links to from her own official Web site as her own MySpace page, as has become relatively common practice. --Tkynerd 18:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is anything wrong with linking to MySpace, per se. However it falls under the same category of sources that aren't reliable, just like blogs and forum posts. However, if you can establish through other reliable sources that a MySpace link is legitimately part of the subject (like the MySpace page Weird Al created for White & Nerdy) then I would say the MySpace link is ok. You just have to be cautious with using MySpace links. —Mitaphane talk 19:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Token new page patroller here. MySpace links are usually the prime suspect when dealing with a non-notable musician, in my experience. You'll often see pages that have a link to their website and/or a myspace page, and that's it. If you see these sorts of pages, and there are no sources or claims to notability, fire up the db-band gun. --Wooty Woot? contribs 20:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all your responses. It looks like what I'll usually do in future is remove myspace links per WP:EL unless the subject is notable. Thanks! Matthuxtable 17:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Problems with de-listing a cleanedup article?
Hi, I overhauled Albany Movement and removed the cleanup tag. However, I can't find it on Cleanup or Category:Cleanup by month or Category:All pages needing cleanup, or anywhere else. So I'm not sure if it's still listed, or what.

On a related note, I'd like to complain that the entire cleanup process is highly confusing and frustrating, and I've now spent more time trying to figure it out than actually fixing the article.

Eleland 18:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Adding the tag to the page automatically places it in a category. Similarly, removing it will mean the page is removed from the category and no longer listed. So you will no longer find it in a category. What part of the cleanup process did you find confusing? Trebor 18:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)