Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 July 15

= July 15 =

Page Number for PDF files
How to use page numbers for PDF files in references? in my case a single pdf file has been refreenced to multiple pages within, have different reference. Eg; line 1 has reference to pg 6 and again line 5 has reference to pg 10. Unlike havard style book reference how is it possible. Pls see Talk:Kaziranga National Park for seeing the question arised during GAC. Amartyabag  TALK2ME  05:20, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Fancy meeting you here! ;) As the reviewer that left the recommendation, you would list the ref separately for each use, as opposed to naming it. The only difference would be the page specification. Does that make sense? I hope that's what you're asking. If not, drop a line on my talk page and I'll see what I can do to help. Lara  Love  05:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I just counted how many redundant links would be created in this manner, its nearly 15, meaning increasing the page size, which we are trying to control. Is there no template as such in which we can just add the page number? Like after (a code which adds just the page number would do). Like [14], pp 22-23 I don't know the coding, but i think it wouldn't be hard to make.  Amartyabag   TALK2ME  04:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know of any such code. I'm not familiar with your situation but, in general, increasing the size of an article by adding precise and correct references should not be a concern.  --ElKevbo 04:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Use rp, created just for this type of problem. When you first cite the page, you can put in for page numbers "various". After each subsequent cite (i.e. after each iteration of ", just add . This will make it so that in the text of the article the footnote citation has a page number appended, while the footnote text itself remains static. As an example, if you were citing to page 16-17 of the .pdf file, and the .pdf file is the third citation in the article, the footnote would look like this: [3] :16-17.--Fuhghettaboutit 05:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

How do you flatten categories?
Is there an easy way to flatten categories? I'd like to have people from a city listed automatically in the people from the county category. Berkeley is in Alameda County. Everyone in Berkeley should automatically be listed in the from Alameda County category because Berkeley is in Alameda County. People shouldn't have to double tag articles. I tried looking this question up in the about wikipedia section but it seemed it couldn't be done or I couldn't figure it out. Please post an example or the code I would need to input to flatten categories. Thanks!
 * Not quite what you're asking for, but you can run queries to get a list of articles in a category and its subcategories. See m:User:Duesentrieb/CatScan.- gadfium 20:29, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * About a month ago, I wrote a basic class (in Java) that does this; see flatCat.java. Grace notes T § 20:56, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

'''Is there an easier way to do flatten categories? I don't really read the program you created that well. Is there an example I can copy?'''
 * You may be in doubt about how Wikipedia categories work here. If an article is tagged as being in X town, it is AUTOMATICALLY BUT INDIRECTLY also sorted as being in Y county, and Z country (because the category for X town has an upward link to Y county, which has an upward link to Z country). The same way, a biography tagged 'marine biologist of New Zealand' would automatically be sorted into higher categories like 'scientist', 'marine biologist', 'scientists in New Zealand' etc... However, only the 'lowest', most specific category will actually appear on the article.
 * As per Wikipedia rules, you are NOT to add the categories for Y county and Z country in addition to the X town category - because that would clutter the categories higher up with 'unsorted' articles. Trust me, if you work some time with Wikipedia articles, you will come to understand the reason - it took me some time to accept it myself. Eventually, I am sure, Wiki software will enable you to set your preferences to display all the higher categories if you want to. Until then... Ingolfson 13:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * See Semantic wiki for a possible future development in wiki software which may one day render MediaWiki's present system of categories obsolete, or smoothly extend their flexibility. In the meantime, MediaWiki hackers are working on some category extensions which may be of interest to the questioner. Side note to the original questioner: you say you "would like to have people from a city listed automatically in the people from the county category." Why do you want this list? Are you really just trying to search for a few particular people? (Asking how to do something which is merely one means to your real goal creates a red herring which may prevent you from getting the best answer to do what you really want. When constructing questions for the Help desk, it's important to think past the things you have tried so far, and try to clearly state what your ultimate goal is.) If so, see above, and Help desk/Archives/2007 June 13 (sic). There are probably more options for searching Wikipedia than for changing the arrangement of data on it. --Teratornis 15:20, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Answer to comments
I'm not really interested in searching for anyone. I want people that are tagged as people from a city to automatically appear in the from county category. This is not a matter of just a town or a county. I want this list on the "from county" categories to be accurate. Currently, these categories are inaccurate because they only include people who are tagged directly as being from a county even though they might be from a city within a given county. Everyone in California is from both from both a city and a county, with the exception of SF because the geography of both overlap. California has over 35 "from a county in California" subdivisions and all the cities should link to the counties and to the state like a tree. I guess I'll just list the cities in the counties as subcategories.

Adding Info
I keep adding info -just text- not links and when i go back to the page it is deleted. E.g. i have added the new tour onto the girls aloud page twice as they are supporting the new spice girls tour and when i go back to the tour section a couple of hours later it is gone? i dont understand when people can edit but the hard work they do if then deleted without letting you know why...


 * I assume you're referring to Girls Aloud. Perhaps because the material in question is unreferenced? You might need to contact the editors who've reverted your edits should you have doubt. Peacent 10:05, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Interest Emblems?
How can I find and add interest emblems to my "User:Sensei48" page? Can't find directions anywhere. Sensei48 10:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)Sensei48
 * Ah you're talking about userboxes - go to WP:BOX for details. Andrewjd 12:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Slut Night
I am trying to nominate Slut Night for deletion but it won't appear properly on Articles for deletion/Log/2007 July 15.

What am I doing wrong ?

Can you put it right ?

Tovojolo 10:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Fixed by User:Blueboy96. Peacent 13:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Revd John Comper and Harry Townsend
I have just submitted two articles for which I have non-copyright pictures of each subect. Can they be used?

Stuart Donald


 * Your question is unclear. a) Do YOU have the copyright to those images? b) Don't you know what the copryright is of the images? c) Do you know that there is no copyright on them (Public domain). Please clarify first. Ingolfson 13:22, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk:24/7 Film Festival - talk page technical question
I recently created the 24/7 Film Festival article. On the talk page at Talk:24/7 Film Festival, there is a link to the talk page of the 24 article, because the software thinks its a subpage of said articles talk. Is there any way to ensure the software does not treat it as such? Ingolfson 13:21, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Nah, see Naming conventions. You might want to move the article to something like 24-7 ... or leave the talk page as it it. Peacent 13:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Ahem, its the official name of the film festival. May I note that the 24/7 article (for 24 hour, 7 days a week availability - from which term the film festival gets the name) has the same problem. You'd be suggesting that we rename the 24/7 article as well? I think not. Ingolfson 13:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Then the title stays as it is. No worries. :) Peacent 13:37, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I put a message on Talk:9 to avoid confusion, but I don't know whether it's a good idea. PrimeHunter 22:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

highlighting
For some reason or another, highlighted links that I have not clicked are purple instead of blue. I've already tried erasing my history and clicking refresh. Any ideas? Thanks. -- AJ24 14:36, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you mean all of the links or just some of them? On Wikipedia or other sites as well? Andrewjd 15:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Just on a few links and just on Wikipedia. It's never happened before so I wonder if it's a setting I changed. Usually, if I erase my history and then click refresh it will return to blue. Thanks again. -- AJ24 19:38, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

ETO Ban
Plese let me know if Ethylene Oxide Sterilisation is banned in United States. Tnks
 * That question would be better off in the Reference Desk, who deal with that kind of question. Andrewjd 15:22, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

It wont work
When ever i edit something, Wikipedia doesn't let me put it on. Instead, they make up there own and there is untrue stop in theres. Mines true. In the Weavile pokemon section, it say Weaviles carve into trees and ice to send signals but knowhere does it say that. So I wrote about how to evolve it instead, but the changed it back to what they wrote

Take a look at the history It's not wikipedia that's not letting you put anything in, it's other users judging your edits as nonsense. Please discuss changes you make to this article prior to editing. --Ouzo 17:25, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

deletion question
how do i delete an article that I created, since I no longer wish for it to be in the wikipedia database?

thanks,

Simy96 17:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)simy96
 * What is the name of the article you created? And it looks, via your contribs, that it may have already been deleted! Regards Dep. Garcia ( Talk   + |  Help Desk  |  Complaints  ) 17:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * In future, you can tag the article for speedy deletion, by placing  at the top of the page. This will list the article for deletion, and the article will be deleted soon, because the article meets speedy deletion criteria G7, which is "author requests deletion". For more information on speedy deletion, see Criteria for speedy deletion.  Sebi  &#91; talk &#93; 22:21, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Posting an Article
Am I allowed to post an article I wrote on a certain topic? And if I am, how can I do it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Storm Kestrel (talk • contribs).
 * Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Your first article and How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation.--Fuhghettaboutit 18:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Withdrawal of AfD?
Is it possible to withdraw an AFD. Can I just put a notification and a strikethrough?

Thanx in advance,

Kevinwong913 Speak out loud! 18:44, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess you mean Articles for deletion/Jim Smith (NASCAR). You can strike ( like this ) your nomination argument with ... and post a signed comment saying "withdraw nomination", or "keep" if you now support keep. Another editor may then speedy close the AfD if nobody has said delete at the time. PrimeHunter 21:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Help..
Image:Reichstag House Of Parliament.jpg

I need this image deleting, I have an identical copy of the same name at commons. Plus it is incorrectly named, so no point in redirecting it there, as I want that removed to. If this is deleted I will upload a correctly named version at commons (under the same use rationale)

thanks Fethroesforia 18:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Plus the exact same situation with this image Image:Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp Front Gate.jpg
 * Take a look at Images and Media for Deletion for instructions on what to do :) Andrewjd 19:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks:) I might do the easy way and remove images from commons and keep here, its a real long and annoying process shifting them all, and 5 days! Fethroesforia 19:08, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It would be better if you kept it on Commons, since then they can be accessed by all the Wikimedia projects in all languages, although I don't know what their non-free rules are. If you upload them first, you can tag the images here with a speedy deletion template and they'll be taken care of. Confusing Manifestation 22:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism Accusation


I have been accused of vandalism on the Albany, New York article today (July 15) by Alucard, I assume he is an official editor or something, I'm not sure, but apparently the only reason I can see is that he doesnt like the edit I did removing reference that the CDTA manages the Albany International Airport (it does not, anyone can go to the airports website and see that) he also changed back my edit that put in the history of the airport further explaining who owned it and such. I dont think that its a good atmosphere to have when someone can accuse you of vandalism simply because they dont like your info
 * The best thing to do in a case like this is to talk to the editor (which I see you have done) and discuss it, as well as discussing the changes on the discussion page for Albany. It doesn't appear to be vandalism to me but I do not know the subject enough to comment. In regards to the CTDA management, if you cite the source then the information will appear more valid. Also to point out, there is not such thing as an 'official' editor, anyone can add the vandalism templates to pages, every editor is an official editior. If no agreement can be reached, come back here. I hope this helps :) Andrewjd 19:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I doubt that he is an official anything, since he doesn't seem to have a userpage. If you are accused of vandalism innaccurately stand your ground.  If an edit war breaks out, call for am influential person to come and help out.  S m a u g  19:55, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I replied on User talk:24.182.142.254. Shalom Hello 19:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think they mean me... :-) Just for the record, I was not the one doing the warning today.  My previous warnings to this IP were about something different and that was erasing discussion from the Talk page of an article while POV editing the part of the article under discussion. This happened three times, despite warnings.  I realise that it could well have been a different person using the same IP address. So I think the poster may have got a bit confused...   -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 01:15, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Making an infobox or table
I would like to know how to make an infobox or table, such that it has 3 columns, where the left two columns have the data and the right one spans all the rows and contains an image. How do I do this? I have extensively searched documentation on here and cannot get this to work. Thanks.  S m a u g  19:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Replied on User talk:Dragon Smaug. Shalom Hello 19:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you.  S m a u g  20:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

nuclear power plant
cost and unit of production for a moderate nuclear power plant to generate electricity ?


 * see Economics of new nuclear power plants.-- Finlay McWalter | Talk 19:51, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Symbol move vote.svg Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Andrewjd 19:55, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Quicksearch Wikipedai
I used to have a great wikipedia tool on my previous laptop. It allowed me to search wikipedia quickly by simply typing "w" in the browser address bar, followed by a space and then whatever term/s I wanted information on. How do I download it again? 41.241.36.47 21:18, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It was most likely an add-on for your browser. You could do a search at Firefox's addons page for "wikipedia", and you are bound to find something. Sebi  &#91; talk &#93; 22:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I've got the same thing set up on Firefox. It's not an add-on, it's just a shortcut.  Open the "organise bookmarks" window and create a new bookmark.  Set the address to "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%s" and the keyword to "w".  --Hugh Charles Parker (talk - contribs) 09:32, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Small TOC?
I think I've seen some articles with a smaller Table of Contents section to help conserve space. Is there wikicode to accomplish this, or am I deceiving myself... -- Zim Zala Bim ( talk ) 21:29, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * See: Category:TOC templates; especially those that start with "compact".--Fuhghettaboutit
 * Thanks! -- Zim Zala Bim ( talk ) 21:45, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Hmm...those all seem to be for easy alphabetic organization. I'm hoping to find something that can simply make the standard section-based TOC smaller, and simply using tags with a command doesn't seem to do the trick. Any other suggestions? -- Zim Zala Bim ( talk ) 22:04, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, what about:  or similar?  Sebi  &#91; talk &#93; 22:08, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was just hoping there was already a template or some wikicode to do that, rather than relying on HTML. -- Zim Zala Bim ( talk ) 22:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Userboxes?
I recently recieved a note from another user about my userbox that states I dislike country music. Do I have to remove this, because 1) I didn't create it, and 2) Stating your opinions is one of the uses of userboxes, as far as I know? Should it be removed? ~Crowstar~ 21:50, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * See User page. User:UBX/Country music sucks doesn't merely say you dislike country music. It could be interpreted as negative towards people who like country music, and I think the text is too much. PrimeHunter 22:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Userboxes says "Userboxes must not include blatant incivility or personal attacks" and "Userboxes must not be intentionally inflammatory or divisive", but I hardly think having a anti country music userbox would include blatant incivility, personal attacks, or be intentionally inflammatory or divisive :) Just ignore Mary. Sebi  &#91; talk &#93; 22:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hello, I was referring to this userbox that says: "This user believes that mankind cannot progress unless Country Music is eliminated.†" In my previous post, I had also linked to the Wikipedia guidelines for designing userboxes in addition to the POV.  HERE  is the link to the userbox content guidelines.  Thanks. Marycontrary 10:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * If country music should be eliminated, then does that mean that the musicians that perform country music should be eliminated? How does one propose to do this and would that really help mankind to progress? What does that say about a person who posts a userbox that claims to desire the elimination an entire population of people that happen to create, perform or enjoy country music?  Marycontrary 12:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It depends how you define "eliminate", perhaps the idea is just to relocate them to the East. :)
 * (This discussion is certainly one for the books!) --CliffC 19:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Attention folks now read closely please, I - Marycontary, did not say that anyone had to remove the userbox. What does not seem to fit with all of the guidelines pointed out by so many editors, is that it does not seem necessary to say that mankind cannot progress unless country music is eliminated. I was requesting that the users modify it, or not use it but I didn't type anything about removing it (as I don't know that I can since I am not an administrator). Wouldn't it be acceptable to say that Country Music gives you a headache? To claim that there is no way possible for mankind to progress unless this one type of music is eliminated, hmmm... Userboxes can have a sense of humor, just not as fun when at the expensive of someone like me, who is holding up the progress of all of mankind simply because I play country music on my guitar and sing it too. But what if I find a userbox that states mankind cannot progress unless musicals are eliminated? Well it appears I am doomed... Wikipedia defines progress. Marycontrary 01:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

This is the only "I dislike country music" userbox I saw. We need a new one. I'm helpless with userboxes... ~Crowstar~ crow calls 00:03, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Userboxes says:

Avoid negative verb phrases which can be potentially divisive:
 * dislikes, hates, loathes

Also avoid compound sentences which are positive and negative, such as:
 * This user likes, but does not like.

Essentially: Express what you like, rather than what you don't like. Express who you are, rather than who you aren't.

PrimeHunter 00:23, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

commons help
I need commons help urgently, an administrator is needed now! please? Fethroesforia 21:55, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You need to use Commons:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/Attention to communicate with commons admins; en.wikipedia admins generally aren't commons admins, and vice versa. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 21:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried but no response, and its pretty urgent, images uploaded with wrong rationale and they wont let me change and now the ownder if spouting legal stuff! Fethroesforia 21:59, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone has responded. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 22:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Does this Qualify for speedy deletion (unsourced)
Does this Qualify for speedy deletion (unsourced) St. Anthony's High School, Long Island Thedjatclubrock :) (talk) 22:31, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Under what criteria of the WP:CSD page would it fall? Corvus cornix 22:38, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Possibly unsourced? What template? Thedjatclubrock :) (talk)


 * None. Check the CSD page - only one of the criteria even mentions "unsourced", and that only applies if the article is an attack page, which as far as I can tell this isn't. If an article is unsourced, you can add one (or possibly, but not recommended, more) of the templates at Template messages/Sources of articles. Confusing Manifestation 00:43, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

How do I post an article to Wikipedia?
How do I post an article to Wikipedia?

Exposethem 23:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)ExposethemExposethem


 * See Your first article. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You should also see Help:Starting a new page. -- Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor  ( ταlκ )  02:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I need an admin..
not for anything related to my image problems (which are being fixed)

but about the 'right to vanish' well..part of it that is taking my interest. any admin help on the topic would be greatly appreciated. Fethroesforia 23:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * m:Right to vanish. Nothing to do with admins. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * If you want to delete your userpage or user talk tag with db-userreq. -- Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor  ( ταlκ )  02:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Forgot my Password
Hello, I am User:GreaterWikiholic. Just a few hours ago I changed my password and forgot it. Would you mind giving me my password back. I forgot to give my EMail because I was not expecting this too happen. Thanks. 75.30.79.158 23:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * We don't have access to your password. If you can't remember it, and you didn't set the email, then I'm afraid you're out of luck, and will have to register a new user name. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Can I keep my edit count, I want to run for admin. 75.30.79.158 00:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Not that I'm aware of. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I will indicate so on my new userpage. 75.30.79.158 00:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Multiple redirect nominations
There are song articles for almost every song in Les Miserables. Another editor prodded them a day or two ago, and the prod tags were removed. I think they should all be redirected to the main article, that way, should someone search for the song, they'll be brought to the main page. However, I'm pretty sure that doing so would be a contentious move, especially since the prod tags were removed. Should I do a multiple AfD nom and just note that I'm nominating them to be redirected? Or is there some place for redirect nominations? &mdash; Music Maker  23:58, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * What you're suggesting is fundamentally a merge (you want to merge the song articles either into the "Les Miserables" article, or maybe into a unified "Songs of Les Miserables" article. You should suggest a merge on the respective talk pages, per the procedure at Merge; doing this with prods and AfDs will only get people's hackles up, leaving you with no consensus to do anything. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:04, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * But the current articles on the songs aren't even worthy of being merged into the main article. They're either filled with information already in the main article, unencyclopedic information like key signatures and vocal range, or OR glurges on the mood and feel of the piece.  I can't in good conscience propose merging that stuff into the article.  &mdash;   Music  Maker  5376  05:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)