Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 July 24

= July 24 =

Images
How do you edit/improve/change an image thats already on wikipedia.
 * You have to save the image to your computer, edit it there, and then click the "upload a new version of this file" link near the bottom of the image description page (below where it says "File History"). --tjstrf talk 00:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: You have at least four-day account to activate this function. @pple 09:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Editing a Family Tree
Hello, I was wondering how to edit a family tree, such as the Harry Potter Family Tree article. There is a tree-style table, which appears to be an external link. I can not figure out how to access where the actual tree data is stored, or how to edit it (add family members to it.)

what does the world WIKI means?
Not sure about the world wiki, but for what the word wiki means, see the article Wiki. Prodego talk  02:43, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Headline text
where i can get hole details of windows port & short cut keys through run e.g. services.msc

The Computing section of the Reference Desk.

The Rhymesmith 03:28, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Dear Sir.,
I really find the web very much sourceful. I am looking out for articles for JATROPHA plants(BIO FUEL ) agriculture. Cud u pls get me how this plnatation can be done and how to cultivate ....and some success stories.

expecting ur reply.

[EMAIL REMOVED]

Search for the plant in the search box on the left of the page, or ask at the Reference Desk.

The Rhymesmith 03:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Should I userfy?
Hello there. I recently used the prod template for my first time to propose the deletion of Haideism. It has since occurred to me that the article may have been intended as a user page, as it is the first edit of the eponymous user. I am confused, however, by the guidance given at WP:USERFY, particularly the section "Not a substitute for regular deletion processes". Is userfication appropriate here? Should I just remove the prod template and attempt to userfy the article myself, or should I wait for community consensus? Thanks for your help. TreeKittens 05:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * From WP:USERFY:
 * In some cases, a new user will inadvertently create an article that appears to be meant as a user page in the main article space. If such an article is made, it is appropriate to move the article to the creator's user page, provided that (1) their user page doesn't already exist, and (2) they are the only editor who has edited the content of the page. It may also be appropriate to move an article that only you have edited into your user space somewhere. If others have edited it, consider a cut and paste move instead of a page move, as the edit history may be more important at the original article.
 * I decided to be bold and remove the prod and userfy. A prod is just a "without objection" method of deletion, so if anyone objects; the prod can be removed.  Although the policy says that it should be moved only if no one else has edited it, I think a prod isn't really the same as an edit.  So I've moved and deprodded the page.  RJaguar3 |  u  |  t  05:21, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi RJaguar3, and thanks a lot for doing that. Indeed I too should have been bold - but I just wanted to make sure it was the right thing to do. I will delete the prod warning I left on her talk page, and leave her a nice short note to tell her what happened. Thanks a lot for your help. Best regards TreeKittens 05:32, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Help moving over existing page
I wanted to have the article "Hybrid ARQ" under the expanded title, "Hybrid automatic repeat-request", and redirect to it from the abbreviated title. I created a new page with the expanded title, pasted the content from the old page, and replaced the content in the old page with redirect code. But then I read that this is bad because it does not preserve the content history. So I reverted "Hybrid ARQ" to its old state and deleted the new content of "Hybrid automatic repeat-request". Then I renamed "Hybrid automatic repeat-request" to "Hybrid ARQ (temp)" and planned to rename "Hybrid ARQ" to the expanded title. But I can't because the page "Hybrid automatic repeat-request" still exists (and redirects to "Hybrid ARQ (temp)"). How to solve this mess? -Pgan002 05:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I just asked also at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 135#Help moving over existing page -Pgan002 08:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You got the right answer there: Requested moves is the place to be. You would have gotten the same answer from me here. Please don't ask the same question in multiple places unless you have waited long or it is urgent (it rarely is). 3 hours (during the night of a lot of Wikipedia users) is not long. PrimeHunter 10:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Sorry, since most of the questions here did not seem so technical, I was not sure if this is the best place to ask.  It seems there are many appropriate places to ask this.  Before I got into this situation, how could I have made the main page have the title "Hybrid automatic repeat-request" while still retaining its history, and redirecting from "Hybrid ARQ" to there?  -Pgan002 10:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You could have done that by clicking on move - near "edit this page" at the top of any article (if you're logged in). --Hugh Charles Parker (talk - contribs) 11:40, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

cra business no-reg
Sir/Madam,

This is srikanth from india.I have a clients CRA business no 133140252 of Mr.RobertYoung of A&j houston farms cltd,nw34665 landmark,winnipeg,montiba,canada,ROA 0X0,started in september21,1974.i eould like to have his contact nos[tel/fax/gsm/cdma/satelite no] and /or his email id and co' website.

i would be pleased if you send me the above request to my id [EMAIL REMOVED]
 * I don't think we can help you out with that. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This could be Robert Young, of Landmark, Manitoba here at Canada 411. Ci ndy Bo talk  05:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Inapropriate behaviour - howto handle
Hi !

I recently became spectator to some rather unpleasant messages, I won't mention the involved usernames here, because I don't want to fan the flames, I merely wish for advice on how best to handle it. It started when user A made some edits to an article where B is a major contribution. Both A and B are native speakers of english, and in general in excellent command of the language.

B responded by belittling and attacking A in a manner I find completely inacceptible. Here a few excerpts posted over the last week on the users talk-pages:

Are you an aboriginal Australian? In that case, welcome to Wikipedia, and our sincere compliments on your splendid command of English, considering your disadvantaged background! You do very well, it must be said. We in Canada are very well aware of the difficulties that aboriginal Australians face in confronting the 21st century.

Our sincere compliments on your progress thus far, but may one suggest that you explore the possibility of becoming somewhat more fluent in English before you start wholesale deleting sections of articles on the English-speaking Wikipedia instead of making contributions? We are sure that there must be coaches in basic English in Australia who can help you with attaining fluency in English.

Is kindness as to your seriously defective English now considered racist in Australia? I hadn't known! Thank you for advising me and the wider Wikipedia community. But if now you propose to enter into the fray as to the editing of Wikipedia articles, especially as to matters that are far beyond your ken, dear Madam, you must allow your seriously defective English now to be edited with all due punctilio.

Oh, dear madam, I note that you have urged on my user page that I "be civil." I shall try. Thank you indeed. Shall I in future post such messages on your own user page? One notes the obvious defects as to civility, grammar and spelling in your many overtures to overseas Wikipedia contributors.

The whole thing reads like a deliberate attack. It is very obvious from even a cursory reading of As contribution that she is, infact, a skilled user of english. And even if she wasn't, the attacks would be uncalled for. Stereotyping Aboriginees as "disadvantaged background", that have difficulties "confronting the 21st century" is also borderline racist, imho. Certainly describing the english of a native speaker as "seriously defective" is uncivil.

The use of female honorifics (if that's the word, *I* am not a native speaker of english) also seems designed to belittle, rather than as courtesy. So, basically, what do you recommend I do ? I don't think B should have to accept behaviour such as this.

--Eivind Kjørstad 06:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

It does seen unacceptable and violates a number of policies. However, there are some hints that User B is also contributing to the situation. If you don't want to deal with it directly, leave a note on my talk page detailing the two parties and the article, and I'll review and direct it to the appropriate place if a basic warning accomplishes nothing.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 08:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Erasing or Editing 'Contributions'
is there any way to do this?

--Potency 07:19, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Not easily. Why do you want it changed?

The Rhymesmith 08:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Simply because edits I later undid were wasting space on the list. However, as editing it is not simple (as I hoped), I suppose it's of little difference Potency 08:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

It makes no difference. Changing it would require all sorts of tinkering and wikiwork.

The Rhymesmith 08:12, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Linking an Uploaded Image to a Specific Page
Hi. Yesterday I uploaded a photo 'Mcr Central', which I took myself & wanted to link it to a page named 'Manchester Central'. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to do this - please advise... Also, I would prefer it if the image was Copyrighted to me - please advise. Thanks. J Greenwood

Look at WP:IMAGE.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 08:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Google Analytics
How do I add Google Analytics code to a Wikipedia page? I have added it before to other web sites, but it is different editing on a Wikipedia page.


 * I don't think that is such a good idea actually. WikiPedia is not MySpace, and even your own userpage is there for supporting the purpose of wikipedia, which is creating an encyclopedia. I don't see how adding hit-trackers contribute to that. --Eivind Kjørstad 09:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There has been some discussion of Google Analytics in Wikipedia's project namespace. --Teratornis 15:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The Technical FAQ entry only mentions that Wikipedia has disabled the hit counter feature of the MediaWiki software; it says nothing about the possibility of using an outside service to count page hits on Wikipedia. Given the number of requests we get for page hit counters on Wikipedia (this is a frequently asked question, after all), it would be interesting if someone could figure out a way to use an external service so it would not load Wikipedia's servers. I shall have to look at Google Analytics more closely. --Teratornis 15:29, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it would be nice to see how many people visit a page I have helped to create and where from, etc. If anybody has a solution of how to add Google Analytics to a Wikipedia page, please email me to [EMAIL REMOVED]. The closest solution that I can find is adding Google Analytics to MediaWiki at http://www.stoltenow.com/archives/2006/09/adding_google_a.html but this is not quite the same thing as adding it to just a Wikipedia page.

RE: Brianna Rieffel
Im here to ask why people keep deleting Brianna's Rieffel wikipedia. Brianna is a very talented singer and dancer she has her own CD and is on allmusic.com http://allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:3pfuxqwrld0e so why cant she have a wikipedia i live in Liverpool but even i know who she is she has made many songs including "The Promise" for a Katrina memorial so i really suggest that people make a wikipedia page for her without deleteing it because she is a talented young singer and dancer aged only 12.

See here. She fails WP:MUSIC notability criteria.

Have a nice day,

The Rhymesmith 08:55, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your reply but surely she derserves one many people have become famous                                         for doing nothing or just being related to a celebrity but Brianna made a heartwarming song "The Promise" and she really derserves to have a page and a lot of people also think the same thing http://teenwag.com/code.py/results?n=2516

I, myself, am a Brianna Rieffel fan. However, I am also a Wikipedian. As much as you may hate me for saying this (if you ever read this, that is), Brianna isn't really notable enough right now for an article. In order to be notable, according to Wikipedia, if an one were to write another article about her, there'd have to be enough news articles from outside sources to back up what was written about her. However, the article would need more than one source to back up the article. The first time the article was written, there weren't any sources and it was deleted and the second time it got deleted, there was only one article (Times-Picayune) and the rest weren't articles at all, rather links to personal websites and the latter. I have Googled Brianna to see if anyone else has written any piece of news about her in the media, but so far, there hasn't been. Sorry, but I don't think they'll be a Brianna article right now, but hopefully there will be. It doesn't matter what the folks over at Teenwag say. Right now, there's nothing anyone can do about creating another Bree article because there's no outside media info about her Wikipedia can use to back up her notability. And if you do decide to write another article about her, someone will delete it. And I don't mean that as a threat; it's fact, by the way.Fanficgurl August 3 2007 4:57 (UTC)

Re: Voting on the next project to tackle
Hello,

I'm fairly new to this. In voting for the next project, I see many times the line saying to use the template for this, yet I can't find it.

MIGHT I SUGGEST, that a LINK be placed there to take us to the template? I'm sure I'm not the first to worry you with this topic.

Thanks.

Leah DosSantos aka  Leahtwosaints —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Leahtwosaints (talk • contribs).


 * Which vote are you referring to? Please give a link to the page. PrimeHunter 09:58, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Undeleting a Deleted Article
Whilst working on the Editing Accommodation (eye) page, I noticed that a linked page Ronald A. Schachar, M.D., Ph.D. has been deleted. Schachar is a real person and notable figure in the world of Ophthalmology, so I would have thought it valid to have a page. The content was uncontentious: a short profile, plus a list of published papers.

Why would this have been deleted other than vandalism? Is there a process for requesting undeletion, and is so where is this explained? TerryE 10:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I followed the link within Accommodation (eye), and found no record of the Schachar article ever existing. Also, an older version of the Accommodation article has a link to Ronald Schachar, but again: no record of any such article.  Normally, an article that has been deleted in the past has a note to this effect at the top of the page.  See, for example, Metapedia.  Is it possible the article was written under a different name?  If not, we may never have had an article on Ronald Schachar at all!  If this is the case, and you have some references, you could write one if you like.  Charlie - talk to me - what I've done  10:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe I am loosing my marbles, but when I first visited this page a couple of months ago, I didn't know of the existence of Schachar. I remember following the link to his page which gave a brief Bio and a list of his publications. That's how I found out who he was.  Like you I followed the history etc. and  can't find the audit trail.  Bizarre,  Either someone has hacked into the Wiki audit, or I am getting senile.  Occam's Razor would point to the latter :-) TerryE 17:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * See Deletion policy and Deletion review. Notability, Notability (people), Notability (academics) may also be of interest. I have not examined whether he satisfies those guidelines. Accommodation (eye) has a Red link to Ronald A. Schachar, M.D., Ph.D. which has apparently never existed. What was the exact name of the deleted page? You can only request undeletion if you give the name. PrimeHunter 10:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * By the way, the redlink was changed from Ronald Schachar to the inappropriate (by our guidelines) Ronald A. Schachar, M.D., Ph.D. by User:Ronaldaaron in . It sounds like himself and there are serious Conflict of interest problems when he claims his own research is right and former research by others is wrong. Talk:Accommodation (eye) claims that Schachar's theory has less support than the former. I don't know the subject and cannot evaluate the claims, but it looks to me like placing COI would be appropriate until the article becomes more neutral. PrimeHunter 11:16, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I am a layperson as far as this field goes but became interested because I was a cataract patient researching in this area. We are talking medicine here and theories are not really testable in the Karl Popper sense.  What is at debate here is a specific mechanism to do with the eye's ability to focus.  Most agree that the main actor here is a muscle structure called the ciliary ring and the object is the crystalline lens that is contained in a capsule that the ring surrounds.  Everyone today seems to agree that the action of the muscle ring changes the geometry of the lens and hence its focal length.  The heated debate is over whether contraction increases (Helmholtz) or decreases (Schachar) the power of the lens.  Both have plausible mechanisms; the only problem is how one manages to prove one or other in an ethically acceptable fashion. (I realise that this may sound a bit like the battle of the Lilliput and Blefuscu over the 'correct' end for eating an egg, but what ho!).


 * Schachar is certainly eligible for a page under the Notability (academics) criteria.


 * In such a debate it is difficult to avoid a COI, but surely one way is to have an unbiased overview and then to allow the two proponents (or supporters) to summarise their argument? Surely we should treat our readership as adults.  As long as the two arguments are balanced and it is clear to the reader that they are opposing views then we can let the reader decide.  The alternative is to drop the article down to some anodyne common demoninator and all would loose out. It is this middle course of balanced alternatives that I would prefer.  TerryE 17:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has lots of articles on controversial topics. See: Guidelines for controversial articles, Resolving disputes, and Ownership of articles. Also see User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia where I looked up those links. --Teratornis 18:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * made 9 consecutive edits to the article within 30 minutes on July 12, and has made no other Wikipedia edits, so there does not appear to be an active dispute between two sides. I suggest somebody (for example TerryE) tries to make the article satisfy Neutral point of view. If it then turns out that Ronaldaaron is watching the article and protests, then some form of dispute resolution may be considered at some point, but let's not start any process before it becomes necessary. If the article is not made more neutral within a couple of days then I will place COI on it (but not attempt to edit it myself). PrimeHunter 20:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I can do this, but can you give me until the weekend. (I will need to tread a careful path here because there is an active debate here, if not an actual dispute -- it's just not being played out in Wikipedia at the moment.)  The rest of the week is going to be hectic in terms of my day job :-( TerryE 23:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You may wish to describe what you plan to do on the article's talk page: Talk:Accommodation (eye) before you actually do it, and you could leave a note on User talk:Ronaldaaron telling him to look at your plans on Talk:Accommodation (eye) before you implement them on the Accommodation (eye) article. Often on Wikipedia, people just edit stuff without making any attempt to explain their plans ahead of time, and that strikes me as a rather aggressive approach. But it is faster to be "inconsiderate," hence: WP:BOLD. --Teratornis 02:26, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I was also intendng to "Talk" to a couple of the contributors who are active on a related page (Cataract Surgery), who are clearly domain experts (Optholmologists) and probably reasonably unbiased in this to see if they were comfortable with my draft before I move it into the main article. TerryE 23:09, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I will not place COI this week. Maybe you could ask for comments on the talk page of WikiProject Anatomy or WikiProject Ophthalmology. PrimeHunter 00:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Kindermusik
Hi Wiki people

The article kindermusik refers to Kindermusik International as the creators of the phrase "kindermusik", and is an advert for the courses offered by that United States based company. The phrase "kindermusik" is a widely used, common term throughout Europe that relates to music education for early years, particularly in Germany (the phrase being German for "children's music"). Kindermusik International would appear to be using Wikipedia to attempt to substantiate a claim for copyright of the phrase, which has not yet been granted, and is contested by many music education providers, in Europe.

Kindermusik - German usages of the word not related to Kindermusik International: http://www.phpbb2plus.de/shop/Music/browse-255956.html http://www.haber-manfred.de/kindermusik/index.html http://www.burunestetik.com.tr http://www.rainerwenzel.de/start.htm http://hamburg.kinder-stadt.de/buecher/sternschnuppe.htm http://www.lostinmusic.de/lim/kindermusik.htm

This page contains hundreds of links to kindermusik: http://forum.kindergarten-workshop.de/ftopic27576.html


 * It's hard to know what you are asking here (which might explain the lack of any quick answers). If you have a concern about the Kindermusik article, you could describe your concerns on its talk page: Talk:Kindermusik. See Help:Talk page. Wikipedia also has a number of templates you can use to tag articles that have problems (such as reading like an advert). --Teratornis 02:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Link Help
Could you please help me link the articles I wrote on Atheistic Deism, Paradox of nothingness, and Prime Observer to each other and to articles on Atheism, Deism, Idealism, and Theism? Any help would be greatly appreciated. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alumno deVerum (talk • contribs).


 * I've left a welcome message on your talk page that has links to a lot of wikipedia pages that should help you out. I'd recommend that you start with the Tutorial and Verifiability.  If you still have questions, put the  tag back on your talk page, or ask another question here.  --Hugh Charles Parker (talk - contribs) 10:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I was just looking at WikiProject Wikify and it lists a tool you might like:
 * Can We Link It? - tool for suggesting and adding possible wiki links to articles. Progressively learns what's a good and a bad link. See here for more info. Also checks for unbalanced wiki syntax, which is sometimes a problem when articles are added by new users.
 * I have not tried this yet; let us know if you get any useful result with it. Also, when you ask a question about an article on the Help desk, it's helpful if you link your article titles by placing them in double brackets, so Help desk volunteers can easily see what you refer to:
 * Atheistic Deism
 * Paradox of nothingness
 * Note: you did not actually create this article, which is why it appears above as a red link as I type my reply; instead, your contributions indicate that you typed this content into the Introduction page, where it has since been overwritten by other new users' experimental edits. You can see your edits in the history of the Introduction page at this link.
 * Prime Observer
 * Be sure to see: WikiProject Council/Directory/Culture/Philosophy and religion. You should find a WikiProject that deals with the subject matter of your articles, and join that WikiProject. That will help you coordinate your efforts with other editors who share your topic interests.
 * Also see: Why was my article deleted? to see what could happen to your new articles if they violate some of Wikipedia's complicated policies (which are often unintuitive to new users who haven't read the friendly manuals yet). --Teratornis 02:56, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Writing articles for your Friends
Hi, I was woundering If it is possible of writing articles about my friends, which would not be published or deleted or be in violation of the rules. The articles would not be viewable by the public and they would not contain any copywrite infringements. It is for fun only. Please write back, if allowed please tell me how to write the articles without vandalising any other articles trying to make a article of my friend. Thankyou for your time, Capt.BashCapt.bash 12:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Easy. Get a server.  Install Mediawiki on it (the program that Wikipedia uses).  Then, write all the articles you like.  You can limit who views them and who edits them. -- Kainaw (what?) 14:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * As implied by Kainaw, Wikipedia should not be used for your purpose. If you don't want to make your own wiki then maybe you can find a suitable existing wiki at http://wikiindex.org. PrimeHunter 14:36, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe http://www.wikibios.com/ is of interest. It doesn't appear to use the MediaWiki software that Wikipedia uses. PrimeHunter 14:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * On Wikia there seems to be a Biographies wiki (but strangely, the description page says this wiki is for autobiographies, a restriction that makes little sense to me, given that a wiki is a web site that anyone can edit). All Wikia wikis use the MediaWiki software. --Teratornis 15:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I was actually working on the previous topic but noticed this one. Have a look at http://scratchpad.wikia.com/.  This offers a place to play to your hearts content. TerryE 23:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

cng refueling information
The Department of Energy maintains a website for locating alternate fuels for vehicles http://www.eere.energy.gov/afdc/infrastructure/refueling.html

In traveling around the country in my compressed natural gas (CNG) vehicles, I have found that the information on this website is woefully outdated. In some instances, it is worse. If you're low on fuel or you don't have a gascard, and you rely on this information, you may be stranded at a non-existent or inoperative or inaccessible fueling station. Also, most of the stations listed are private and are useless to you and me. It is possible that in an emergencey one could negotiate with the owner, but there is no information about this, and phone numbers are often wrong or not answered by a warm body. I have talked to a lady high up in the DOE about the problem, but I have seen no changes in the website.

I propose a wiki-type information source that users of the alternative fuels could update and comment on, listing stations by state, and containing updated information on each listing. I do not know if Wikipedia would be a good choice for this, but there really need to be provisions for users to update information. Comments? Terylgar 13:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

P.S. It is a bit confusing as to how to send this message. Save page? If you get this message, I guess I figured it out, but its not obvious.
 * Wikipedia probably would not be the most suitable venue for this type of information, because:
 * Wikipedia is not a directory
 * Wikipedia wants no original research
 * Wikipedia wants only information that is verifiable in (previously published) reliable sources
 * Wikipedia is not a how-to guide nor a travel guide
 * Thus you should search WikiIndex for suitable alternative wikis which would welcome this type of information, and which will not hobble your ability to record your firsthand information with a bunch of requirements for encyclopedic content. Wikicars may be a suitable choice. And in regard to your P.S., you did send your question correctly; you even remembered to sign it. The Help desk functions according to the talk page guidelines even though it is not technically a talk page. --Teratornis 14:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Posting Accredited in Public Relations Wiki
Hello:

I have tried, unsuccessfully, to post content on Wikipedia regarding the Accreditation in Public Relations (APR), the only sanctioned industry advanced accreditation for Public Relations Professionals. I received a notice stating that the posting was not appropriate because it was too self-serving.

Please note: The APR program has been around since 1964. It truly represents a mark of distinction for public relations professionals. Other accreditations -- like the CPA -- are on Wikipedia. Why not the APR?

I'm a member of the Universal Accrediatation Board, which administers the Accreditation. My suggested content is below:

Accredited in Public Relations/APR Accredited in Public Relations (APR) is a voluntary certification program for industry professionals, and is considered the mark of distinction for those who demonstrate commitment to the profession and to its ethical practice. Those who earn the APR demonstrate a broad knowledge, strategic perspective, and sound professional judgment of modern public relations. Currently there are more than 5,000 public relations professionals who hold the APR. The Accreditation process is administered by the Universal Accreditation Board, a consortium of nine leading public relations organizations. The public relations organizations that are members of the Universal Accreditation Program include the Agricultural Relations Council, Florida Public Relations Association, Maine Public Relations Council, National School Public Relations Association, Public Relations Society of America (PRSA), Religion Communicators Council, Southern Public Relations Federation, Texas Public Relations Association and Asociación de Relacionistas Profesionales de Puerto Rico (Puerto Rico Public Relations Association). The Accreditation program was established in 1964. Its fundamental purpose is to unify and advance the profession by identifying those who have demonstrated broad knowledge, experience and professional judgment in the field. The Accreditation process is designed for professionals with five or more years of industry experience. To earn the APR, candidates first must complete a written submission to a series of questions on professional experience, their company or organization and readiness to complete the program. If the written submission is approved, the candidate schedules a Readiness Review with a panel of seasoned public relations professionals and presents a portfolio of work. The final element is successfully passing a computer based Examination, which tests the candidate on knowledge, skills and abilities in the practice of public relations. Those who earn the Accreditation can retain the designation for life. However, every three years APRs must complete a maintenance application that details qualifying professional development activities, as well as keep current membership in one UAB member organization. To learn more visit http://www.praccreditation.org/index.html.

Can you please offer some insight? Thank you.

Edward M. Bury, APR Director of Public Relations

CCIM Institute 430 N. Michigan Av., 8th Floor Chicago, IL 60611 —Preceding unsigned comment added by EdwardMBury (talk • contribs)
 * See: Business' FAQ, Companies, corporations and economic information (Manual of Style), WP:CITE, WP:RS, WP:COI, and WP:WWMPD. Also watch out for promotional language. --Teratornis 15:06, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Improving an existing image
An existing image on your site is of poor quality. I have downloaded it and improved it to remove darkness. How do I replace the existing image with the improved one?


 * Just upload it (with the same name; you'll need to be logged in) and that will replace the existing version. Make sure to leave an explanation of what you've done in the "Summary.." field on the upload page, saying something like "adjusted contrast to eliminate excessive dark areas" so something. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 15:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Comparision
Is there any way to a parser function comparison ignore certain characters so you could have:

X 4 X X 1 = 4 4 2 6 1

Thanks for any help. -Icewedge 15:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your question. Please note that the purpose of the Help desk is for asking questions about Wikipedia. You may wish to try the proper category of the reference desk where there will probably be someone who can assist you. --Nick—Contact/Contribs 16:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This is about using Wikipedia, parser functions are a more advanced type of MediaWiki syntax. Since parser functions are unique to WP the reference desk wouldn't be much help. -Icewedge 17:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, thanks for pointing out my error. Hopefully someone here with experience with parser functions will be able to assist you. --Nick—Contact/Contribs 17:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You could try asking on Village pump (technical). --Teratornis 18:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok I will try that, thanks guys. -Icewedge 18:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Linking to Wikipedia
I'm using Xenu (http://home.snafu.de/tilman/xenulink.html) to check my website for broken links. I have two links in it to Wikipedia. In both cases, Xenu lists the links to Wikipedia as broken with 403 errors (forbidden request). There don't seem to be any mistakes in the Wikipedia URLs I'm using. Is it really forbidden to link to Wikipedia, is there some special way to do it, or is Xenu just in error? Thanks for your help on this.

Prestonpdx 16:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC) Preston Smith
 * Hi Preston and thanks for your question. It is not forbidden to link to Wikipedia, so I have no idea why you'd be receiving 403 errors. To check if you are using the proper link format, make sure your links follow the following example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArticleName where "ArticleName" would be the name of the article you are trying to link to. Spaces should be formatted with underscores (_). If the program is still telling you that there is a problem with the link, it is probably a bug within the software. You may wish to provide us with a link to the site you are referring to, so one of us could check the links for you. --Nick—Contact/Contribs 17:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

my question
Dear Brother in Islam Assalamalykm O rahmath ullhi o barkatuhu I have five (5) children last (2) two was born by operation and my wife is now in normal health and my last baby is about 3 months old and presently now my wife is having pregnancy of four (4) week. At the time of last operation Doctor told wait for few years for next birth. My worry and question is that in the light of above statement; can I go through dissolve of my wife new Hamal. Please guide me at the earliest. Jazakala khair my Email [EMAIL REMOVED] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.247.115.98 (talk • contribs) 17:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your question. Please note that the purpose of the Help Desk is obtaining Wikipedia-related help. Questions about specific non-Wikipedia topics are handled at the reference desk. I would like to point out, however, that medical advice questions are generally not answered at the reference desk (see Wikipedia's medical disclaimer). --Nick—Contact/Contribs 17:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Can I use this picture?
The picture on the following page is from a magazine published in the 1800s. Can it be used in a Wikipedia article?

http://www.clarkart.edu/exhibitions/homer/ia/ts.cfm?ObjectID=119

MarkinBoston 18:03, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes. If you upload it, you can tag it as public domain since its copyright is expired. Public domain images can be used anywhere on Wikipedia. Nihiltres ( t .l ) 20:10, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Editing an article with no link or tab
I want to make a minor grammatical correction to the "Treblinka Extermination Camp" article, but there are no edit buttons OR edit tabs at the top of the page.

Usually, when a page is disabled from editing, there is a brief explanation at the top--this article has none. Any ideas?

Grumpy otter 19:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It has been semi protected. You may have tried it just as the protection was being applied, before the notice had gone up.  AndrewJD  TALK  -- 19:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the response--the notice is on the article now.

Grumpy otter 10:30, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Excel table to wiki table conversion
What is the quickest and easiest way to convert an excel table into a wikitable?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * See WP:TOOL, there seems to be a solution there. Nihiltres ( t .l ) 20:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the instructions were written for Excel 2003. I have Excel 2007 and can't seem to follow the instructions.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 01:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, it is probably not that, but when I get to step 7 I have no code to copy.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 01:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I have figured a workaround.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 01:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You may also wish to see:
 * http://area23.brightbyte.de/csv2wp.php
 * de:Benutzer:Duesentrieb/csv2wp (en)
 * --Teratornis 02:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

how to comment out?
An easy one here. I've seen various things "commented out" while editing and forget how it's done exactly. Can anyone show me? Thanks. semper fictilis 20:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean like this ?

The Rhymesmith 20:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * (ec) Just use  at the end. &mdash; Malcolm (talk) 20:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * If you are talking about this, just use strike out text --Hdt83 Chat 21:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

font size change
21:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The answer is 42. Seriously, what is your question?  AndrewJD  TALK  -- 21:07, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You can make font sizes incrementally bigger and smaller by using the and  tags. You can set a specific font size by using.
 * Big text - Small text - 14 pt font
 * If that's not what you were asking, then please let us know. Also, you can check Help:Editing for more information on wikimarkup. Hersfold (talk/work) 22:20, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * For more about 42, see: 42 (number) and Minor characters from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Just in case the cryptic answer to your cryptic (non) question was a bit too cryptic. --Teratornis 03:12, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Teratornis, you make perfect sense.  AndrewJD  TALK  -- 19:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Thumbnail picture at Tera Patrick
I added a thumbnail of a picture to the Tera Patrick article down in the awards and prints section, yet the thumbnail shown is not what you see if you click through. Can anyone tell me why there is that difference? Tabercil 21:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah... no. I have to assume that it's some sort of problem on Commons, though, as that's where the image is from. You can try asking there...? Hersfold (talk/work) 22:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * bug 10686 submitted to devs. --ST47 Talk&middot;Desk 22:33, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

can i copy content
hi can i copy an article on wikipedia and keep it on my computer or is it illegal to do this?--Gustyfalcon 21:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello. That's perfectly fine to do, see Copyrights for more information. --Nick—Contact/Contribs 21:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If you want to copy a lot of Wikipedia content, see: WP:DUMP. See: Mirrors and forks for lists of sites that do what you want to do, but on a larger scale, and for the world to see. --Teratornis 03:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

funny low-res preview of an image I uploaded
I recently uploaded an image, but the preview provided on that page shows an off-center version of the image. Clicking on the full resolution version, however, does render correctly (at least in my browser). Any ideas what's going on? Maybe the encoder I used to create the PNG uses a feature that WikiMedia doesn't understand? Is there an "image clean-up" project that I could ask for help? Thanks, Lunch 23:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, I created another version. Lunch 00:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)