Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 July 9

= July 9 =

Suppressing categorisation by a template
I would like to suppress categorisation on a template so that it only categorises pages in a certain namespace. Take, for instance, User:UBX/hinduism. The template currently categorises any page it is transcluded on into Category:Wikipedians interested in Hinduism via the following line of code: I want to change this so that the template will categorise only those pages which are in the user namespace. Would replacing the code above with the code below (adapted from Template:Taxobox) be appropriate for that purpose?
 * Note:  corresponds to the User namespace per Help:Namespace.

If not, what needs to be changed? I've used here an example of a userbox, but I can think of other (more encyclopedic) uses of being able to suppress categorisation. I would appreciate assistance from someone more familiar with template coding than I. Thanks, Black Falcon (Talk) 00:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You're really close, just a few minor things need to be changed. This should work:


 * You only need two sets of brackets around "NAMESPACE", not three - that's liable to screw it up. I also moved the include only tags inside, as that should allow you to test things out easier. Put a word like "test" just out side the tags and make sure it displays after you save the page. I changed mine to BASEPAGENAME as well, which should provide for better sorting in the category. Either version should work fine (once you take out the extra brackets in yours), just test them out first, as always. Hersfold (talk/work) 01:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It worked! Many thanks, Black Falcon (Talk) 02:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Count of pages by namespace
Does there exist a current (and preferably regularly updated) count of pages by namespace? gives the current number of non-redirect mainspace pages and Special:Statistics provides the total number of pages (currently over 9 million), but nothing else. This page provides the desired data, but it has not been updated since October 2006. Is this information available anywhere? Thanks, Black Falcon (Talk) 01:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * You can generate a list of all the pages in a name space by using Special:Allpages, but it doesn't provide a count that I can see. I'm not sure such a resource is available. You might be able to suggest that such a feature be added here. Hersfold (talk/work) 01:12, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Help:Magic words says: disabled here . PrimeHunter 01:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks to you both. I'll ask around more at Wikipedia talk:Special:Statistics (though the page seems to be unused) or maybe even at the village pump (technical). Thanks again, Black Falcon (Talk) 02:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Depending on how hard you want to work, you could get a database dump (see WP:DUMP) and write MySQL queries to count pages in the various namespaces. See: User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia for more about database queries. You might find something easier to use in Researching Wikipedia and WikiProject Wikidemia to find out what other tools may be available. (I found those last two links in User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia; do a  search in your Web browser to jump to the subheading "Academic studies:".) --Teratornis 02:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Malware?
Copied from WP:NCH:

Would it be possible to start a WikiProject on malware? I've noticed that MANY (actually, this is a misnomer because there are not many articles on this topic in the first place!) articles on malware are in a state of disrepair (such as Vundo trojan, which I want to move to Vundo, and Avira which is a notable antivirus company). If anyone could help me with this, and/or if anyone is interested, don't hesitate to contact me. Zeratul En Taro Adun!So be it. 01:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is the right place to post such a query, since I'm not experienced with WP:VP.


 * Are you aware of WikiProject Malware? It appears inactive but trying to revive it may be the best. PrimeHunter 01:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Secure login
I can't seem to find the URL for a secure WP login. Could someone tell me the link? Thanks! 71.205.190.64 01:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Is there something wrong with the normal login in the upper right corner? Your edits are public and you are not asked for personal information. Help:Logging in has a link to https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Main_Page. I have never used it and it appears to only be for avoiding the mentioned problem with logging out automatically. PrimeHunter 02:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think there is also the issue of users who are in countries that block Wikipedia. See: WP:TOR. Disclaimer: I don't know anything about this other than what I see on that page. --Teratornis 02:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The secure login, which is mostly useful when on an insecure wireless network (to help prevent your password being stolen) and on certain satellite networks (to prevent problems with being logged out automatically), is https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin; I have it templated at User:ais523/SecureURL to make it easier to remember. Using it will cause Wikipedia browsing and editing to be slower, though, and it couldn't cope with the strain of lots of people using it, so only use it when necessary. --ais523 10:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia on desk top
Is it possible to put Wikipedia on my desk top for easy access. Peter McNicholl —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * Right-click on your desktop, select "New -> Shortcut" and type " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page " in the box that appears. Flip through the rest of the options however you'd like, and hit OK or Finish or whatever it is when you're done. Hersfold (talk/work) 04:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Legal threat
There is a threat of legal action on my talk page under Acen Ravzi. I'm an admin, but I can't remeber or find the policy. thanks, Jimfbleak 05:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's WP:NLT. I'll leave a msg on the editor's talk page (more currency coming from a third party).--Chaser - T 05:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Why was my article removed?
On July 5th 2007 I uploaded an article about The Citizens Foundation ( TCF ). First there were pictures' license tagging issues and the speedy deletion warning was given. But on the July 6th the notice was removed and no warning about removing the article was given.

Today, on July 9th 2007 when I searched the article I found out that the article does not exist.

Please kindly explain the reason for this deletion so that I can correct my mistake and upload the article again.--Ayesha munir 06:08, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * On 13:16, 6 July 2007 administrator Evilclown93 deleted "The Citizens Foundation", and provided the explaination "(Copyvio (G12))". This suggests the material was copied from some other source illegally. Contact Evilclown93 for more information. Prodego  talk  06:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) The Citizens Foundation was speedy deleted by User:Evilclown93 under criterion G12, "copyvio", meaning that the text on the page had been taken from a copyrighted source, presumably the foundation's web page. See also Copyright. From the looks of it, you should be able to recreate the article, as long as you don't copy the text from somewhere else. I would also suggest that you be careful not to make it look too much like advertising (i.e. write it from a neutral point of view), and make sure you include an assertion of notability by including references to reliable third-party sources (that last sentence includes a lot of links that you may want to consider reading first). That said, it looks like there are several news articles that include non-trivial reference of TCF, so citing them should be fine. Confusing Manifestation 06:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The copyvio is back again. I'll be re-tagging it.  Please provide proof of the right to use this text.  Corvus cornix 20:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Printed a wikipedia page
I want to print this page Metamath but the content box is cut between two pages. Is there a way to compel Wikipedia to print the content box on a page or on the following one but not on the two ? --Frédéric Liné 10:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, this is a matter with your web browser, not Wikipedia. If you want to print a Wikipedia article, you could save it on your own computer, and modify it from there -_ L augh! 10:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * But there is a button named "printable version" and the result must be controlled by wikipedia, mustn't it ? --Frédéric Liné 10:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It is not a problem with his browser, it is a problem with his printer. Have you set the printer to print in Portrait form and not landscape? If you have, then you may wish to copy and paste some of the text in the article into a word processor (e.g. Microsoft Word, or Notepad) and print it off manually from there. Also, "content box", do you mean the Table of Contents or the small infoboxes on the side of the page? Sebi  &#91; talk &#93; 10:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I mean the Table of Contents. Could you go to the Metamath page and push on the "printable version" button to see if the Table of Contents is printed on two separated pages for you as well ? --Frédéric Liné 10:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * OK I understand: in the printable version Wikipedia doesn't indicate page frontier. And then my printer choose to break the pages where it wants. Well I think this behavior should be modified. Thank you --Frédéric Liné 10:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Creating Language Link
I want to translate some articles in my native language, that is Georgian, but I don't know how. Can you explain?


 * Go to ka.wikipedia -- L augh! 10:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That is only if the articles you want to view have an article on the Georgian Wikipedia. However, you might wish to manually copy and paste bits of the article, pasting them into a language translator. Many language translators include AltaVista's babel translator and Google's language translator. As far as I know, these only cover common languages, such as Spanish or German, etc. If you cannot find a translator that translates from English to Georgian, well I'm sorry, there is not much more Wikipedia can do about it. Sebi  &#91; talk &#93; 10:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Messages from Administrators regarding Paul mcewan
Dear Wikipedia,

I hope this finds you well.

My name is Paul McEwan, when I created my page I wrote it in mistakenly as Paul mcewan and asked if an administrator could help me captitalise it. I checked the internet late last night and found that an administrator had got in touch and had given me instructions on how to change it. Unfortunately I was too tired and logged on today to sort things out. However when I cliecked the link on google today my information was no longer on the page. I wondered if there had been a time control on this as I saw yesterday that the administrator had sent me the data on July 2nd. Would it be possible for you to tell me where I could locate the administrators advice.

Best wishes,

Paul McEwan

Paul mcewan 11:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Paul, it would make it quite a deal easier if you could provide us with the Administrator's username. If you are referring to changing your username from Paul mcewan to Paul McEwan or Paul Mcewan, please see WP:CHU. However, when I preformed an edit count on your username, you had only 1 edit (this one) with your account. It would probably be easier and faster to simply create a new account.


 * Thanks,


 * Kevinwong913 Speak out loud! 13:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * A problem might be that you can't create the new username 'Paul McEwan' because it's too much like 'Paul mcewan', and the system won't let you (unless you're an administrator). ssepp(talk) 16:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

emergency calls
59.180.10.29 12:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)how can a mobile phone make an emergency call when there is no sim card in it. what kind of frequency does it uses ?

Um, I don't think this is wiki-related. Anyways, I don't know. ~Crowstar~ 13:20, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Kevinwong913 Speak out loud! 14:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Stating the obvious
In the humidifier article there is a section entitled "drinking the water", followed by detailed arguments why one should not drink the water. Is there a Wikipedia policy about not stating the patently obvious? Who in their right mind is going to drink the water? Or should we add "eating and drinking" sections to hundreds of other articles in case someone thinks consumption of waste products is a good idea and gets sick? (Apologies if this comes across as a rant. I'm just fishing for support to remove this sort of thing. And there is a wider question involved.)--Shantavira|feed me 12:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I really don't see the point of the section. ~Crowstar~ 13:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Umm, I can't find the section. ssepp(talk) 16:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oops, I meant to type dehumidifier.--Shantavira|feed me 18:12, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's water. Many folks will consider it "clean" simply because it came out of a machine and it looks clear. Aside from that, this is best discussed on the article's Talk page. -- Kesh


 * This has been there since April 2006 and edited by many, so a discussion sounds like a good idea. It's currently unsourced. A Google search on drink dehumidifier shows people have actually been drinking the water and asking about it, and many have written it shouldn't be done. Maybe acceptable sources can be found. PrimeHunter 22:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * In a sense, everything in Wikipedia is obvious, because we have the No original research policy. We only restate what is already published elsewhere. There should be nothing on Wikipedia which is truly unobvious to everyone (other than the author). --19:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teratornis (talk • contribs)

RFAR
I see there's an RFAR here, and although I'm not an involved party I have watched the page and, sadly, have become embroiled in the dispute in various ways over a number of months. My question is, am I entitled to make a statement at the RFAR? If yes, is it worth doing so? I see no evidence that the parties have engaged in any other form of dispute resolution. Is the RFAR likely to be closed anyway? AndyJones 12:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * note for helpers: this is about a request for arbitration, not adminship. (RFA normally refers to requests for adminship) ssepp(talk) 16:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Have amended my question with the revised abbreviation. AndyJones 16:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Uninvolved users are permitted to make statements as well, in the same way as the other users did. --ST47 Talk 16:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar removal
I awarded a Barnstar to someone, but apparently, this has gone to his head and he has started personally attacking other editors. I am seriously doubting myself for awarding this, so can I remove the barnstar I awarded. ~Crowstar~ 13:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I have never heard of anyone doing this before. The whole barnstar system is informal, so there aren't many strict rules on what you can and cannot do. However, if the user put the barnstar on their userpage, then you're not really supposed to remove it from there, because you are supposed to leave other people's userpages alone (unless they don't mind you editing it). Perhaps you should just ask this user if they can remove the barnstar? ssepp(talk) 16:07, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Recording announcements at JFK Terminal 4
There is a recording announcements at JFK terminal 4 announcing flight arrivals/departures. Who is that person that made those announcements?
 * I have no idea why you want to know that, but in any case the help desk is only for questions on using wikipedia. The WP:Reference Desk is for general questions, however, they might not be able to help you with your question either. Perhaps you would have most chance asking JFK directly. ssepp(talk) 16:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Regarding "cutting and pasting" (moved from Humanities desk)
I've noticed many of the Guggenheim Fellowships years of names were directly cut and pasted from the external link GUGGENHEIM FELLOWSHIP website. Is this alright to do without any legal glitches? If it is legitimate then one can easily cut and paste for the years that are not yet pasted quite readily. Pjt48 13:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It depends on how they're doing it. Facts can't be copyrighted, but the presentation can.  The names are going to be the same, but the words around the facts, the table, even the font can be copyrighted.  Geogre 14:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * AFAIK, most countries require some thereshold of originality or creativity for something to be copyrighted. This threshold is usually ill define in law and in case law. What is clear in a number of countries is the amount of effort required is often irrelevant (and indeed may count against the copyright since if something aims to be comprehensive, it's likely there is no creativity involved). What all this means is a simple compliation of data is generally not copyrightable. Therefore a table of names by year is probably not copyrightable. However more complicated tables e.g. with lots of additional information may be copyrightable since there may be some originality in the data you choose to include and exclude. For some legal overviews I came across, see &  Nil Einne 23:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * P.S. Having taken a look at what you're referring to, there is more then I expected altho it's still perhaps possible that it's not copyrightable especially since the threshold in the US where the Gunggenheim Fellowship AND wikimedia are based is AFAIK been shown to be fairly high. However I would have a bigger concern about whether there is any reason to have these very long lists. It seems to me they may be a bit unnecessary but I'll get some feedback on WP:NOTE to get some feedback Nil Einne 23:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

My article is not on line yet
Hello ,

I created a text on the Aztec theatre (Aztec On The River) last week and I don´t see it in wikipedia yet. Did I do something wrong or is it a normal timing for a text to be published ?

Here's the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Charou

Thank you very much for your help Kind regards

Charou 16:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)charou
 * You'll need to post it somewhere, a page with a descriptive title, such as Aztec on the River. --ST47 Talk 16:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Read WP:CREATE for more help. --ST47 Talk 16:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Questions about Lifestyle Fashion Terminal page
I have started the Lifestyle Fashion Terminal page but I am confused about the categories it has been put into. Can you take a look at the page and help me understand better what I have done wrong and how to fix it?

thank you

LFT - Lifestyle Fashion Terminal 16:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)Suzi
 * The page doesn't appear to be in any categories at all. Were you asking which categories it could go into? Also, are you aware you created the page in the user space not the mainspace? --Android Mouse 17:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, the posters link LFT - Lifestyle Fashion Terminal is the user name in the signature (which gives a Conflict of interest suspicion). The article is correctly placed in article space at Lifestyle Fashion Terminal. The question is about the tags stub, Notability and Unreferenced which automatically place the article in certain categories. An editor tagged the article because it is a stub (allowed), does not assert notability of the subject (disallowed) and is unsourced (disallowed). You can also follow the links in the boxes at the article. PrimeHunter 17:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Links not working
In the following articles, there are links which I **think** are correctly constructed to point to existing articles but are appearing as red links. What's wrong? Frederic Dorr Steele - link to Collier's Weekly; Giant's Causeway Tramway - 2 links + disambiguation link to The Giant's Causeway and Bushmills Railway; The Giant's Causeway and Bushmills Railway - disambiguation link to Giant's Causeway Tramway. Devoxo 16:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The way you formatted the question all as plain text with no links makes it hard to answer. Below I linked to the first two articles you mentioned, and to a Google Search on the page names you say are red links. Google is not case-sensitive, and can correct some misspellings. It often works better than Wikipedia's built-in search.
 * Frederic Dorr Steele:
 * Collier's Weekly
 * The above search finds: Collier's Weekly
 * Giant's Causeway Tramway:
 * The Giant's Causeway
 * The above search finds: Giant's Causeway
 * Bushmills Railway
 * The above search finds: The Giant's Causeway and Bushmills Railway and Bushmills but no Bushmills Railway.
 * The general procedure for fixing red links is to search Wikipedia for the correct names of existing articles which the links (probably) refer to. If no suitable articles exist, then someone should create them if their subjects are suitable for Wikipedia. --Teratornis 16:57, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The links use a ` while the articles use a '. ssepp(talk) 16:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I fixed the three four links with this problem that I could find. ssepp(talk) 17:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Just for the (tortured) record, some of those links are disambiguation links in Giant's Causeway Tramway and The Giant's Causeway and Bushmills Railway. Thanks for fixing them. Note to Devoxo: page titles in links must be exact - the slightest difference even in a punctuation character (such as using the wrong type of quote) can break them. However, it is possible to allow for some misspellings by using redirects. --Teratornis 17:11, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

about indian government efforts taken to solve the issues related to environment degradation
about indian government efforts taken to solve the issues related to environment degradation


 * Hmm... did you have a question? You may wish to try the reference desk.  Charlie - talk to me - what I've done  19:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Archiver not working?
Can anyone see the problem with the auto-archiving of my talk page at User_talk:Maury_Markowitz? Its difficult to read, but nothing seems obviously wrong and I'm not getting any archiving happening. Maury 17:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I've corrected one thing that could be the problem: you were telling it to archive to bzuk's userspace. --ST47 Talk 18:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Fingers crossed... Maury 20:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Formatting in the 'wheat' article
When I opened the article, in the 'Genetics' section. more or less here:

"   * Most tetraploid wheats (e.g. emmer and durum wheat) are derived from wild emmer, T. dicoccoides. Wild emmer is the result of a hybridization between two diploid wild grasses, T. urartu and a wild goatgrass such as Aegilops searsii or Ae. speltoides. The hybridization that formed wild emmer occurred in the wild, long before domestication.[12]  "

Overwriting the last line in that paragraph, not really on the line was [edit] [edit]

Two instances. By clicking on them one went to the 'Genetics' section for editing, the other to the 'History' section, the link to edit being as I have noted not just above the relevant section.

I have no idea what does that and obviously could not fix it if in fact it need fixing and is not just a fault of my browser.

--Dumarest 18:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's due to a large image or infobox in the way, don't worry about it. --ST47 Talk 18:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I can understand that, and the Infobox is HUGE [long], but the effect is annoying, misleading, and does not do very much good to the reputation of Wikipedia for professionalism - I know it is edited by everyone, but the formatting and so on should be professional. --Dumarest 18:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I remember reading about that problem in one of the help pages somewhere and I'm looking for it now. --Teratornis 19:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * And that would be How to fix bunched-up edit links (WP:BUNCH). --Teratornis 19:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe not the right way, but I fixed it. --Dumarest 19:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Wik?
What is the meaning/significance of Wik/ in the title of articles such as Wik/staines townwfc and Wik/sean caldwell? Should somebody rename them more appropriately, or are they someone's sandbox?--Shantavira|feed me 19:18, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Firstly, please make sure that all questions go in a new section. They should both be moved, to Staines Town WFC (with WFC spelled out per WP:MOS), and Sean Caldwell, although they both may not be notable enough to pass the criteria for speedy deletion. SmileToday☺(talk to me, My edits) 19:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Company page
Please advise as to how to add a company name and description to the health care company page. The name of the company is HealthString and I would like it to be added under the H category.

Thanks.

Lizwillock 19:26, 9 July 2007 (UTC)l. willock


 * I think these questions are being asked by multiple people - please start a new section when asking a new question by clicking the "+" link at the very top of this page.Hersfold'' (talk/work) 19:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * (That is precisely what I did, but I forgot to add a heading. Sorry. Sorted now.--Shantavira|feed me 08:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC))


 * Question 1: You will want to see our verifiability policy for more information there. In general, sources which are not published by a reputable, third-party source are not considered reliable.
 * Question 2: I haven't the faintest. I'll go move the pages in just a moment, thanks for bringing that up.
 * Question 3: I think you're asking how to categorize a page. To add an article to a category, link to that category as you would a normal article, like so: . The article will be alphabetically sorted according to the article's name - however if you would like it to be sorted in a different manner, you can add the sort index in the link, like so:.
 * Everyone happy now? Hersfold (talk/work) 19:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Reply to Lizwillock: You got fast detailed answers when you asked the same in Help desk. When editors spend their volunteer time helping you quickly and accurately, it would be nice if you read their answers instead of repeating the question a week later (as your following edit: Special:Contributions/Lizwillock). It could also have saved the time you spent repeating your inappropriate edits (as IP address last time) to Category:Health care companies. I have reverted them again. I will also post to your talk page this time in case you ignore answers here again. PrimeHunter 22:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Song Lyrics
Why or should Wikipedia have Lyrics for songs? Wikipedia has many entries on songs, and I was curious why their are no lyrics for the songs.


 * Lyrics are usually copyrighted, and so cannot be included in Wikipedia. Please see WP:COPY. Hersfold (talk/work) 19:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * See Lyrics and poetry. PrimeHunter 21:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Custom signature
Is there a page for help on creating custom (colored) signatures? Thanks --ZimZalaBim (talk) 20:25, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. -- Zim Zala  Bim  ( talk ) 20:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

massive parrots
Hi, I need help. I wanted to add some parrots to my page but the picture is too big. Can somebody please make it smaller, like in the parrot article? The width of two of the infoboxes is good if that's possible. Thanks. Rekk 20:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You forgot the 'px' - I've set it to 200 px, you may want to change that to 400 or 500. --ST47 Talk 21:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * ... must... resist... Monty Python joke! -- Kesh 22:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * He's gone and joined the choir invisible!--Fuhghettaboutit 22:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Odd user talk page
I have just come across this rather odd page at User talk:Raizza while I was looking for vandalism. It consists of nothing but babble, phone numbers, and e-mail addresses. Spam? I don't know what to make of it or what should be done, as it's a talk page. Sarrandúin  [ Talk + Contribs ] 21:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like a log from a Dell call centre...Very strange. I think at least the email adresses need to be removed to protect them from spam, probably the whole thing should be removed. ssepp(talk) 21:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This is the version we are talking about: . I have since removed the call log, and asked the user what he is doing... ssepp(talk) 21:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If people feel I was wrong in removing it, feel free to revert... It just seemed for the best. ssepp(talk) 21:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

making a table
I don't know how, and it totally confuses me, so can someone make the worlds list on the Cheer Athletics page into a table.

Maybe have the headings across the top go: -image of medal- -year- -team- -score- -place- division-

thanks  Maddie  was here  21:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I gave it a shot. ssepp(talk) 21:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * By looking at the code you should be able to see what the pattern is, so you can customize it yourself. ssepp(talk) 22:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I need two images deleting
Image:Sachsenhausen Concentration Camp Front Gate.jpg and Image:Reichstag House Of Parliament.jpg

This would be GREATLY appreciated ASAP!Fethroesforia 21:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but the images do not qualify for speedy deletion because "copyright holder wants them deleted", because directly under them is a tag that reads "I, the author of this work, hereby publish it under the following licenses", and you have licensed them under the GFDL license and CreativeCommons licenses. This means that you are no longer the copyright holder of the work, and the images will not be deleted for that reason. Kind regards, Sebi  <sub style="color: darkgreen;">&#91; talk &#93; 22:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Licensing images under a free license is normally not revocable, so it probably won't be deleted unless you can give some convincing reason on why they should be deleted anyway.. ssepp(talk) 22:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * But im not the copyright holder. I thought i was but i got mixed up. The REAL copyright holder doesnt want them on here. Its a mistake! Fethroesforia 22:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah. In which case, since the licensing information is wrong, I think you might be able to get away with tagging them as Confusing Manifestation 00:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Switzerland
I have noticed that there is none or very litle information on topics related to Switzerland. For example if you look at the page for Chinese Commerce Minister Bo Xilai you will see a lot of information about him compared to Switzerland's Economics Minister Doris Leuthard, or even information about the Irish Defence Forces which is split up into 5 sections compared to the Military of Switzerland all dumped on one page. Another example is the BT Group compared to Swisscom. Has a WikiProject Switzerland been suggested and what improvements have been made to an area which defenitly needs improving? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.71.12.130 (talk • contribs)
 * See WikiProject Council/Directory/Geographical/Europe and WikiProject Switzerland. Also see WP:PROJGUIDE for general information about how to run a WikiProject. --Teratornis 22:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Be aware that a limited comparison of articles may be misleading. Depending on which articles one compares, China might well seem to be underserved here compared to Switzerland. Since only a tiny fraction (well under 1%) of the articles on the English Wikipedia are rated as good articles or featured articles, the partisans of every nation have reason to feel slighted. However, you don't have to accept Wikipedia's deficiencies; you can help fix them! For example, if you happen to be multilingual as most Swiss evidently are, you might examine the other language Wikipedias to see if any have articles relating to Switzerland which are missing or less complete here, and you could help translate them to English. For example, the German Wikipedia or French Wikipedia may be farther along with articles about Switzerland than we are. --Teratornis 03:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The de:Schweiz article appears to be about twice as long as the Switzerland article here. A similar ratio holds for de:Doris Leuthard and Doris Leuthard. Perhaps there are more Swiss contributors working in German than English, which would stand to reason as German is an official Swiss language and English is not. This is not to dismiss the need to improve the English language articles, but to point out where you may find content to translate. --Teratornis 04:00, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

No notes!!
See the Lea Wait article. There are notes, but wnen I clikd on them nothing happens!! What isgoing on?? --Dumarest 22:37, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There's no need to use the helpme template here. The article needed a section with written in it to make the notes appear. ssepp(talk) 22:42, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

3RR question
I know the 3RR states that you may not make any more than 3 reverts within 24 hours, but does apply or not apply to self-reverts and reverting vandalism? Tiger white 23:53, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Per WP:3RR, reverting obvious vandalism is exempt from this rule. Also, the policy discusses reverting the edits of other editors, which I take to mean that self-reverts don't count. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 23:58, 9 July 2007 (UTC)