Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 June 10

= June 10 =

Signatures
Hi. I have been trying for over two months and I can't seem to get it right. Hmwith helped me but neither of us could get it to work. Can someone help me? Meldshal42
 * Get what right? --ST47 Talk 00:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh. Check the raw signature box in Special:Preferences, and you're good. --ST47 Talk 00:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * And if that does not work, paste the code you are using and I will fix it. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ )  01:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

prorportionality
what is proportionality in administrative law ?


 * That question is better directed at the Reference desk. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (ταlκ )  01:26, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Images
I have an image i wish to upload on wikipedia and i have the license and everthing i need but as soon as i press Upload Image my computer freezes. Just as a note, the image is created by me. E fansay talk 01:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You may know this, but if the image is large it may appear that your computer is freezing but in reality it is taking time to upload.  Jody B talk 01:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You've also copied my signature. Why not create your own? I can always help you make one. E  talk 01:16, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I even made one for you, see Efansay (talk ) . To use this sig paste the following Efansay  (talk )  in your sig box and click raw sig. Save the page then. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor  (ταlκ )  01:32, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Your local library may have a better internet connection - you could take the file there on CD or Floppy disk. --h2g2bob (talk) 05:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

health-disease
Is it true that a woman has higher risk of mouth or throat cancer if she regularly gives oral jobs on a man who is high on drugs or medication
 * You might like to ask on the reference desk or check our page on oral sex. Note: all wikipedia pages are covered by a medical disclaimer. --h2g2bob (talk) 03:09, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

how?
if we need the information about something in another language but is not provided then how?
 * There are versions of Wikipedia in many languages - see List of Wikipedias. Or translate the Wikipedia page with http://translate.google.com or http://babelfish.altavista.com --h2g2bob (talk) 03:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

More fair use questions
Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Led Zeppelin fan, but there are some problems with images related to this band. The cover of the first album is uploaded as fair use, non-free, with a rational for use as an album cover. Well, that's all good. But the image is used gratuitously on Ferdinand von Zeppelin. This image Image:Groove.JPG was uploaded with rationale that its a screen shot to illustrate an article on a DVD. But its not even used on the DVD article, rather on several other articles, including Royal Albert Hall. Isn't there a bot that takes care of some of this stuff? I don't want to violate WP:Don't be a dick and go take all these images down. I guess that I could just make up fair use rationale... &mdash; Gaff <b style="color:MediumSlateBlue;">ταλκ</b> 03:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank God I'm not the only person having these problems! I've been doing a lot with Fair Use recently — adding FU rationales, decreasing image resolution, and removing images altogether.  The problem is that WP:DICK is an essay, but WP:FU is policy.  I'd say that you should do what you can to follow policy, but be polite about it.  I feel that fair use has become a huge problem in WP, because people are using it too liberally.  If you run into any resistance, just remind them that the goal here is to create a free encyclopedia, and unfortunately that means that we need to limit the use of copyrighted material.
 * (And no, I don't think there's a bot that does this. I feel like this type of thing needs to be reviewed by a human...that is, until we can standardize the templates that are used in the Image: namespace...)  <b style="color:#08457E;">tiZom</b><sub style="color:black;">(2¢)  04:18, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * There's a bot which gets rid (or at least tags) orphaned fair use images. So remove them from all pages where FU doesn't apply, and it'll get picked up at some point. --h2g2bob (talk) 05:19, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Creating subcategories
How does one go about adding subcategories? I'm wanting to add a profession to the Category:Wikipedians by profession. The page says to feel free, but it doesn't explain how. Clicking to edit the page doesn't show the subcategories. Lara Love  T / C  04:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * If you want to make Category:A a subcat of Category:B, you simply need to click on the edit tab of Category:A and add . Well, like that. Peacent 04:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep - categorise category pages like normal pages. --h2g2bob (talk) 05:21, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

John Denner
How can we get this story on the site..

Look in the Bio

www.JohnDennerRocks.com
 * You can't. Sorry to disappoint you, but your music career does not yet fall within Wikipedia's content standards.  The best way to be mentioned on this site is for someone else (such as a newspaper) to notice you.  For further information, please read WP:MUSIC, WP:N, and WP:COI.  Good luck with your tour. Yechiel Man  05:02, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi. I searched for WP:RS to create the article, but could not find any. If you can provide me copies of newpaper articles or other WP:RS material, I'll create the article for you. -- Jreferee 17:36, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Cannot sign in
When I attempt to sign in I am told my username/password is wrong. When I attempt to "email new password" it says that there is no email address recorded for "xtsubarublazin". This seems to have happened overnight, although I've been hesitating asking for help for a few weeks now. Any help would be appreciated.
 * Look over Help:Logging in. Hopefully that will help. Lara  Love  T / C  14:34, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, see What if I forget the password. -- Jreferee 17:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Line breaks
Is it acceptable to use line breaks in poetry that is in articles? I think it looks better to use line breaks like this:

Line one of text

Line two of text

Line three of text

Line four of text

rather than putting a blank line in between lines like this:

Line one of text

Line two of text

Line three of text

Line four of text

The reason I ask is I was looking at this article, and the formatting looked weird to me.
 * I think that for poems with multiple stanzas, the first type would probably be preferable so as to make stanzas easier to identify, but I'm not aware that there is a standard as such. You might want to ask at the Poetry WikiProject about their guidelines. Thanks, Philipwhiuk 07:15, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion?
I don't understand why my article was proposed for deletion?
 * The article was proposed for deletion because it did not satisfy the WP:BIO and failed to establish notability. In order to be notable, the biography must have references to reliable, reputable, 3rd party sources not associated with the subjects themselves. A MySpace page is not enough unfortunatly. -- Hdt83 <font color="blue" face="Arial">Chat 06:45, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It also appears that you are associated with the article in question: Nathan hughes. It is discouraged to create or edit article about yourself or related to you because you may have an conflict of interest which may cause problems in keeping a NPOV. -- Hdt83 <font color="blue" face="Arial">Chat 06:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * If you have evidence that the band itself maybe notable, it may be better to create this page and put some information about the band members on this page. A band page is probably slightly more notable than a single musician. However, it would still be the case that a MySpace page is insufficient as a source of notability. Thanks Philipwhiuk 07:19, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Nathanhughes. I could not find any Wikipedia reliable sources about Nathan Hughes. Without Wikipedia reliable sources, the article cannot meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and such articles usually are deleted. I searched for information on Solaroid and the only thing I found was related to the Israel company Solaroid, which manufactures a particular type of window curtains. Your best bet is to approach your local newspaper and have them do a story on your history or that of your bands.  If you can get enough  Wikipedia reliable sources to publish information about you and/or your band, someone then may be able to use that information to create a Wikipedia article on Nathan Hughes or Solaroid. -- Jreferee 17:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Bob Marley
BOB MARLEY HI I AM AN AVID FOLLOWER OF BOB MARLEY AND HIS MUSIC CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY ONLY 12 CHILDREN ARE LISTED IN HIS FAMILY YET THE PAPR STATES THERE ARE 13 CHILDREN THANKS JOHN MARTIN BRISTOL ENGLAND —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.33.88.39 (talk • contribs)
 * What do you refer to with "THE PAPR"? Bob Marley says he has 13 children and lists 13. PrimeHunter 12:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe he is reffering to the Paper, article. --<font face="Perpetua" size="3"><font color="Blue">Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (<font color="Black">ταlκ )  20:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

?
how to find Identifying group names? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.84.181.214 (talk • contribs)
 * Could you be more specific? I don't know what you refer to. PrimeHunter 12:25, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Holland
HOLLAND IS IN WHICH COUNTRY —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.42.21.83 (talk • contribs)
 * Please sign your posts using four tildes ( ~ ).  Sala Skan  12:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added the IP number. See Holland. "Holland" can refer to the country also called "the Netherlands" or to a region of that country. See also Holland (disambiguation) for many less known places. PrimeHunter 12:25, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

cross referencing contributions
Is there anyway or any tool that will allow me to cross-reference the contributions of two editors? --Fredrick day 12:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * What exactly do you mean by "cross-reference"? Do you want to generate a list of pages the two editors have both edited? I don't see anything that looks promising in a quick glance at WP:TOOLS. However, if you are running Unix, Linux, or a Unix-like compatibility layer such as Cygwin, you might determine the pages common to two editors by using some command pipelines. You might also ask on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject edit counters. --Teratornis 15:19, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You can get a list each user's contributions from User Contributions, but I also do not know what you mean by cross-reference the contributions of two editors. -- Jreferee 17:58, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Inlining a Commons image in a WP article
How can I put Image:SOA-Condylomata-acuminata-man.jpg on the Genital warts article? The instructions on How_to_edit_a_page work for images that are on WP, but apparently not for ones on Commons. -Pgan002 12:40, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You can add an image on Commons to an article in the same way as adding an image uploaded here :) Peacent 12:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought so, but why is a link displayed above instead of the image? The source says Image:SOA-Condylomata-acuminata-man.jpg . PrimeHunter 15:14, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The image is listed on MediaWiki:Bad image list. You will be unable to include it on any article (it will become a link). Ask for an exception for the genital warts page by making a reqest on the talk page, tagging it with editprotected to get an admin's attention. --h2g2bob (talk) 15:29, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Tagged image with badimage, which suggests raising the matter at admins' noticeboard --h2g2bob (talk) 15:32, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I've requested an admin look into it at the admins noticeboard. --h2g2bob (talk) 16:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you, the images now show in the article. But I do not understand what the problem was and how it was solved.  From the image history it seems that the badimage tag was added by H2g2bob today, and I guess that did not solve the problem. -Pgan002 00:11, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * See and MediaWiki talk:Bad image list. PrimeHunter 00:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Delete my Account
How Can I Delete my Account?


 * You cannot. You may have your userpage deleted by adding  to the page. See also Right to vanish Peacent 12:55, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Italian Wikipedia
I have seen a photo in Italian Wikipedia that I would like to use in an article in English Wikipedia.

How do I do that ?

How do I create the link ?--Tovojolo 13:32, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think you can do it. Every Wikipedia has its own set of licenses for pictures and therefore you must upload it again here if you have to use it here. On the other hand if the italian picture is free (GFDL) you can upload it to Commons so that every wikipedia can use it. Arrivederci. Dr.K. 13:43, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Which photo is it? --h2g2bob (talk) 15:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

HOW DO YOU WRITE AN ARTICLE?
HOW DO YOU WRITE AN ARTICLE?
 * See Your first article, but you need an account to create an article, if you dont have one create one or try Articles for creation <b style="color:red;">Dep. Garcia</b> ( Talk   + |  Help Desk  |  Complaints  ) 16:17, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also see Help:Starting a new page <b style="color:red;">Dep. Garcia</b> ( Talk   + |  Help Desk  |  Complaints  ) 16:20, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Try the tutorial too --h2g2bob (talk) 16:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I usually gather up WP:RS material first and then write the article using that material and referencing it via in-line citations. -- Jreferee 18:02, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Change the name of an account
Does anyone know how to change the name of an account?


 * Go to WP:CHU and follow the directions on that page. <font color="Green">«  A NIMUM  <font color="Green">»  16:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

how can i delete my username off of wikipedia?
 * Please see Right to vanish. The bottom line is you can (probably) change it, but your contributions will remain under some username.  -- Rick Block (talk) 17:25, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Create a new page
Hello,

How do I create a page and then submit it for consideration? I have done what I can here and have heard nothing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bruce7777777

Cheers, Bruce charnley
 * You should try Articles for creation. It's good that you provided sources, but because of the nature of the subject, you should try to demonstrate a one-to-one correspondence between your content and its references.  Please see Attribution and Neutral point of view. Yechiel Man  20:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well first of all, that is on a Userpage, so you aren't going to recieve much feedback on it. Secondly to find out how to create a article see WP:FIRST, and Help:Starting a new page. Thirdly, to recieve feedback on a article submit it Peer review. --<font face="Perpetua" size="3"><font color="Blue">Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (<font color="Black">ταlκ )  20:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It looks like you want to create a list, which usually are not well received unless they are referenced, such as with in-line citations. You may want to use the information from List guideline to create your list. The criteria most often overlooked is Criteria for inclusion in lists: Lists should always include unambiguous statements of membership criteria based on definitions made by reputable sources. My advise is to include such a membership criteria and use the lists at featured lists as models on how to create your list. -- Jreferee 18:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Need a format (template?) for 'name' pages
References:
 * Molly
 * Nancy (disambiguation)
 * Amber (disambiguation)
 * Johan

Name pages are ripe for abuse and poor wording and formatting, and a guideline on this would greatly help. My suggestion is to follow what Molly (above) has....listing persons, places and things exclusively known by the single word, followed by a section of people, places and things that are notably known by that word. One of the biggest difficulties (as seen in Nancy above) is the temptation for people to add anyone famous whose first name is Nancy, and often this bleeds to people who aren't even notable enough to warrant their own page (resulting in non-linked or redlinked entries).

Can we come to a consensus on a guideline for this? Maybe a 'Name Group' to undertake continuing efforts in maintaining name pages? -- Kickstart70 - T - C 19:12, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The appropriate place to start a discussion like this, is at Village pump (proposals). --<font face="Perpetua" size="3"><font color="Blue">Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (<font color="Black">ταlκ )  20:43, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I added a membership criteria to Nancy (disambiguation) based on the wording at Disambiguation. Feel free to revise the membership criteria based on the wording at Disambiguation and use it on those pages you think appropriate. -- Jreferee 18:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Adding/Finding map coordinates
How do I find and add the map coordinates for town articles? In this case Likely, British Columbia which needs a map and coordinates and Horsefly, British Columbia, (which I'm writing later today/tomorrow), which will also need this information.CindyBo 21:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The code for coordinates of London, Ontario is ((Coor title d|42.98714|N|81.246268|W)) at the top of the article. Replace the numbers with whatever applies to your city. Yechiel Man  21:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * But I don't know how to find the coordinates. I looked for a few minutes. Yechiel Man  21:40, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * From Google Earth: You can use  .  Good luck with your article.  <b style="color:#08457E;">tiZom</b><sub style="color:black;">(2¢)  23:25, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks!CindyBo 08:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * See Obtaining geographic coordinates which you could find under User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia. Also note that we are supposed to use Coord now rather than the superseded coordinate templates like Coor dms. --Teratornis 15:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I changed the – (braces) to parentheses in the coordinate templates for London ON, just above. It's quite possible they were being rendered in Google Earth, showing this archive page and a rather graphic blacklisted image referenced on this page, in a popup in Google Earth at London, Ontario. Please see this discussion on the Administrator's Noticeboard for Incidents for background. Doonhamer (talk) 04:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Permanent link
What is a permanent link (as per the toolbox on the left)? Hallpriest9 ( Talk |  Archive ) 23:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * See Help:History. --Teratornis 00:09, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * To elaborate, it's the same as the link to the current revision of a page which appears at the top of the page history. As the page continues to change, the "permanent" link will "always" retrieve the revision that was current when you clicked on "Permanent link." I put quotes around the words "permanent" and "always" because the so-called "permanent" link will stop working if the page gets deleted. --Teratornis 00:18, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The description and links on the main page in the toolbox are dealt with at Main Page design discussions. Clicking on link should lead to the "Permanent link to this version of the page" that you presently are viewing. If you hold your cursor over the link, it may bring up the phrase "Permanent link to this version of the page." If it does not bring up what you expect or you have other questions, the editors at Main Page design discussions can probably help you best. -- Jreferee 18:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)