Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 June 9

= June 9 =

adding logos/images
Hello - how do I add a logo or image? I see there is an SVG format but not sure what that is. Can I load a logo from my computer or does it have to live online?

I'm trying to edit the msnbc.com to reflect an accurate story of the online entity vs. MSNBC [cable]. What do the two boxes stating that it needs to be 'wikified' mean? What do I do to 'wikify' it?

~ Janetti


 * Images used on Wikipedia must first meet our Image Use Policy before being uploaded to the site - basically, they have to be in the public domain, under a free license, or meet a very specific fair use rationale (in the case of copyrighted images). In the case of a logo, you should upload it using the following steps:
 * Click here. Then click the link that says "Promotional Photo".
 * Click the browse button to find the image on your computer. Then type a descriptive name (such as Company-Logo.jpg) in the "Destination Filename" box.
 * Type a short description of the image in the Summary box. Also include what article you intend to use it in like so: Article
 * IMPORTANT: In the drop-down menu, select "Logo". If this is not done, your image will be deleted.
 * Once the upload is complete, go to the article you want to use the image in and add a link to it like this: [[Image:Company-Logo.jpg]]
 * You can find more information about that here.
 * For more help about "wikification", see WP:MOS and WP:GTL. I hope this has helped! Hersfold (talk/work) 02:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also see wikify, WP:WWF, WP:WIKIFY, and search the Help desk for: wikify. --Teratornis 16:39, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

rocet launchers
what happend at today,s rocket launch could you show me a website that talks about it please
 * Sorry, but this page is only for questions about Wikipedia. You may ask this question at the Reference_Desk however. -- Hdt83 Chat 00:05, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * See Space Shuttle Atlantis and STS-117, if you refer to Friday's space shuttle launch. --Teratornis 02:25, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Creating a page for a different person than is already on Wikipedia
I want to add a page about Allen Klein, the author. There is already a page for Allen Klein, but for a different Allen Klein, the manager of the Beattles. Do I just edit the page that exists and add Allen Klein, the author to it, or, do I make a new page? If the latter, how do I do that?


 * What you need to do is disambiguate the title. This is generally done by adding a parenthetical after the name clarifying what the person did or what the thing is. For an example of where this is used, we have one article, Bleach, on the chemical. Another, Bleach (band) is on a music group, and a third, Bleach (manga) is on a media franchise. In your case, you want to create the page Allen Klein (author). --tjstrf talk 00:14, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * After creating Allen Klein (author), you can add something like this to the top of Allen Klein: "" (assuming he is American). It will display as PrimeHunter 00:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

External Links?
I understand the external link addition policy that keeps me from listing the interviews I have done and will do with actors and actresses, but I am a tad confused. see http://www.tv-now.com/intervus/index.html

Having links to tv.com and imdb.com for actors is also nothing but a promotion for those sites.

How is an interview with TVNow, which is owned by TV Guide, different from a tv.com link?

Tony Bray
 * See WP:COI. Something that is inappropriate for you to add because you did the interview is not necessarily inappropriate for someone else to add.  IMDB links are in Wikipedia because they are considered by consensus to be relatively informative and useful links that comply with policy and give information that cannot be placed in the Wikipedia articles on the topics.  Additionally, it is not generally an accepted argument in Wikipedia to say "we have item X, why can't we have similar item Y." — Da rk •S hik ari [T] 05:36, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Line break help
How do I make a single-spaced line break?


 * Insert  . ---CWY2190TC 03:45, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You may want to review Don't use line breaks as well. -- Jreferee 17:18, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

project help
where can i get tools for doing my project in a better way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.198.52 (talk • contribs)


 * Your question is vague. What project? What do you mean by "a better way"? If you refer to an editing project on Wikipedia, see: Tools, Tools/Editing tools, and User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia. --Teratornis 22:53, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Why was my page deleted?
Dear Sirs: My Page seems to have been deleted. Would you, please, be so kind to explain to me what's happened to it ? And what should I do to avoid it of being deleted in the future ? Thank you very much for your kind attention, while I remain. Yours sincerely, Ivo Jacome —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivo Jacome (talk • contribs)


 * You might need to check the deletion log of the page in question. See also Why was my article deleted?. Peacent 08:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Do you have a link to the page that was deleted or do you recall what it was named? -- Jreferee 17:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Non-Latin characters in references
Is there an editorial policy on the use of references that use non-Latin characters? I am writing an article on Israeli music. I have many references to songs whose names are in Hebrew. I have been writing the name of the song in Hebrew characters, followed by an English transliteration, and an English translation where relevant in parentheses. Also, in the bibliography I cite numerous sources in Hebrew. I thought of doing the following: "Author and title in Hebrew, followed by author and title in transliteration in parentheses, following by reference information (publication date, publisher, and so on) in English translation." I could find no guidelines to this problem in any of the printed style manuals in my possession (McGraw-Hill, Chicago, Prentice Hall, or Turabian). And another thing: When I want to include a media file that is already posted on another website, should I use an external link, or copy the media to the wiki media place (I forgot what it's called)? Is there a preference here, or is either method acceptable? Tnx,--Ravpapa 09:25, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia Manual of Style:Foreign terms might lead you to the answer to your question. Also, you might not be able to upload a media file to Wikipedia that is not your own because doing so might violate Wikipedia's copyright policy. If the media file that is already posted on another website, some think that merely linking to it from Wikipedia violates Wikipedia process. Category:Wikipedia_media_files gives examples of properly upoladed media files and may help you find answers to related media questions.-- Jreferee 16:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

The media files I am linking to are licensed under the Creative Commons license, so they are kosher according to Wikipedia policy. I am assuming that, since I am linking directly to the original site where they were first posted, and that site contains all the attribution information, I am also fulfilling the CC license requirement of attribution. --Ravpapa 19:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Question about a page
I was wondering what i would have to do to keep the page of Dimitris Labatos up? it keeps getting deleted and i wanna know if someone can help to edit it to keep it up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enchanteddrmzceo (talk • contribs)
 * Apparently the person it is written about is not notable and thus can not be included in Wikipedia. Please read Notability for guidelines. -- M s c h e l 14:36, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Biographies should demonstrate that the subject satisfies Notability (people), for example with multiple independent references to reliable sources about the subject. There are only 9 Google hits on "Dimitris Labatos", so it may not be possible to satisfy the guideline. Wikipedia biographies are usually about people who are mentioned far more often. If you are Dimitris Labatos or closely associated with him (your user name hints at that) then please also read Conflict of interest. PrimeHunter 14:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I think you would first have to get newpapers or other reliable sources to publish information about Dimitris Labatos to keep the page of Dimitris Labatos up in Wikipedia. I say newspapers because they probably are the easiest way to become Wikipedia notable. Try approaching the local papers where Dimitris Labatos' lives (lived?) and ask them to publish a story or two on his life.  You may then be able to use that published information in a Wikipedia article. -- Jreferee 16:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Copyrighting wikipedia without permission?
There appears to be this website, called www.answers.com, and they have blatantly copied every single high profile type article off wikipedia, with the images too. Is this allowed???


 * Yes, wikipedia see WP:5. Sethie 16:09, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I mean the images... 81.154.111.25 16:34, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * According to the Answers.com article, Answers.com gets the majority of its content from Wikipedia, which they then use to generate advertising revenue. I think your question is whether Wikipedia allows www.answers.com to copy the non-free, fair use images (in addition to the free images) and make a profit off use of non-free images. The thread copyright discusses this somewhat. I think the short answer is that Wikipedia does not control the copying actions of others (e.g., Answers.com) and Wikipedia's use of copyright notices with the images is sufficient to address Wikipedia's responsibility. -- Jreferee 16:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * More precise answer: the text and most images (and probably all of the images that answers.com includes) on wikipedia are released under the GDFL, which allows even commercial reuse as long as the work is attributed. The whole aim of wikipedia is to create a totally free (as in libre, not gratis) resource that can be used in any way imaginable as long as it remains free to be reused in the same way.  Answers.com, as far as I know, complies with the license of wikipedia and therefore is not "copyrighting wikipedia without permission"--they simply re-use it and re-license it under the GDFL. Calliopejen1 19:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * A huge number of the images on Wikipedia are Non-free content. I wasn't aware that Non-free content was released under the GDFL. Thanks for clarifying that. Also, your explanation of Answers.com's position in this helped complete the answer. -- Jreferee 21:20, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean to suggest that Wikipedia's non-free content is released under the gdfl. (It's not, as far as I know.)  I was just guessing that answers.com has some sort of algorithm to avoid mirroring copyrighted fair-use pictures (to avoid legal liability where wikipedia users wrongly assert fair use).  As it turns out from looking at their website, they don't have any such thing, and they mirror everything.  For those images, then, neither wikipedia nor answers.com asserts that they own the copyright, or even any license to use them; they are using them under the fair-use provisions of copyright law. Calliopejen1 03:44, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Sock farm
What is a .. ''sock .. farm'' ??? SakotGrimshine 16:07, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm, where did you see that phrase? If you're asking about a Wikipedia-related term, I believe it has something to do with WP:SOCK. Peacent 16:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It is a person who creates a bunch of Sockpuppets and meatpuppet, please read WP:SOCK,Regards-- Arnon Chaffin  ( Talk ) 16:14, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It could be the CD released in 2003 by the South Wales group Amman Valley entitled "The Sock Farm." However, according to this blog, Sock puppetry used to define a sock farm as the home of sock puppets. The term sock farm probably was removed from Sock puppetry as not being clear. -- Jreferee 16:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I mean the Wikipedia kind. It seemed to be something related to having a lot of them, but it wasn't ever defined.  "home of sock puppets" -- what does that mean? Sock farm is unclear because it's not defined anywhere, although I see people using it a lot. SakotGrimshine 11:26, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Not sure what to do with this page
Hugo O'Neill any advice? Afd it, or rename it? Sethie 16:09, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You can Merge it. Arnon Chaffin  ( Talk ) 16:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks like it falls under Wikipedia is not a directory - Genealogical entries or phonebook entries. I couldn't find any articles with Hugo O'Neill that listed his date of death.  It's likely that Hugo O'Neill is not WP:N. It looks like AfD to me. -- Jreferee 16:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I knew there was a policy out there somewhere for this! Sethie 16:49, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * A kinder approach than AfD is to first suggest to the author that the page falls under Wikipedia is not a directory - Genealogical entries or phonebook entries. You then may suggest that he may wish to userfy the material for use outside of Wikipedia and then request to have the page deleted via Author requests deletion. -- Jreferee 17:10, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

oral pathlogy.
what are the uses of ultrasound therapy in dentistry


 * Could you please make it simpler. Arnon Chaffin  ( Talk ) 16:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Please see ultrasound and dentist. Arnon Chaffin  ( Talk ) 16:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Your question is more suited for the Science Reference Desk. Otherwise, please see this page for more information about oral pathology. Grace notes T § 20:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Copyright
I received a message telling me that MY article on Denny Jiosa will be deleted--because it is NOT my own work. But it is my work! What is going on? Why is it telling me this? I wrote the article! -- Queen Alyssa 17:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Essentially, the Denny Jiosa article was speedy deleted from Wikipedia because the copyright was not owned by Wikipedia. Unless Wikipedia owns the copyright in the article content, the material will be deleted from Wikipedia. It's a little more complex than that, but that is the basics of it. For the Denny Jiosa article, you owned the copyright, not Wikipedia, so the article was deleted from Wikipedia. Your talk page gives instructions on how to fix this problem. -- Jreferee 17:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The previous poster was right in referring you to your talk page. However, the rest of his answer wasn't totally accurate.  The issue isn't whether or not wikipedia owns the copyright.  (In fact, the content on wikipedia is generally created by people who technically only license their work to wikipedia to use.)  The issue is whether you have the ability to give permission to wikipedia to include the copyrighted text on the website.  Since wikipedia has no way of knowing you're actually the author of the article, it is deleted.  The ways to prove that you are the author of the article (and can therefore give permission) are outlined on your talk page. Calliopejen1 19:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Page redirect
How do I redirect common names for an entry to a single page?
 * Could you be more specific? Normally you just do this: #REDIRECT page name . The Evil Spartan 19:23, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't forget to include a redirect template. If you want to redirect  to , place the following code onto Page 1: Or instead of R from alternate name, use whichever "redirect template" suits you. See Template messages/Redirect pages for a complete list: it's important to keep track of redirects! Grace notes T § 19:38, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) REDIRECT Page 2

About the main page
Why is there other main pages, such as Mainpage/1 Mainpage/2, etc. Going all the way to ten? 81.154.111.25 19:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * They are sort of like "backup copies" in case of emergency. I should not get into too many details per WP:BEANS. Mr.Z-man  talk ¢ 19:13, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Is this because of hijacked admin accounts keep deleting it? 81.154.111.25 19:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's why the other main pages were created. They provide a reasonably complex system of back-ups, in case the main page itself is deleted. If that happened, a message (built into the interface) would appear pointing users to a backup page. I won't go into the details of exactly how this works. Grace notes T § 19:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Making your own
how do i make my own wikiepdia page where people can look me up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by JesusChick18 (talk • contribs)
 * First, create an account then once logged in, click your username in the top right corner and that will take you to the page for editing your user page. E  talk 20:42, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

This person was editing from an account. Well, regardless, this person is probably asking about articles. If so, the answer is: Wikipedia is not MySpace. Pages do not exist only so that people can reach out and socialize with each other. Pages exist to either constitute or somehow help create a neutral, factual, free-content encyclopedia. mentioned user pages above: those are great ways for Wikipedians to learn about you, but only so that collaborating with other users is more like collaborating with other human beings. Welcome to Wikipedia, and it would be more than appreciated if you helped improve our articles. Grace notes T § 20:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * JesusChick18, see Help:User page for the rules about what you can put on your user page. Ideally you should be editing articles, or contributing constructively to the encyclopedia project indirectly in a Metapedian kind of way - then you should make a user page so other participants can develop a sense of your identity. If you don't care (ever) about building an encyclopedia and you just want to edit a page about yourself, try a social networking site. If you want to edit a page about yourself on a MediaWiki wiki (i.e., a site that works similarly to Wikipedia), try WikiSocial. --Teratornis 23:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

IP Address problem
To who ever knows what to do, When editing something without being signed in, I accidently clicked SAVE. Now, my IP address is on the page's editing history, and I do not want this. PLEASE HELP ME IF THERE IS ANY WAY TO CHANGE A PAGE'S EDITING HISTORY OR SOMEHOW TAKE OFF THAT IP ADDRESS. Thank you.


 * I am afraid the only thing you can do to hide your IP address on wikipedia is, create an account and log in. Francisco Tevez 21:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, it is unremovable, unless the page is deleted and recreated. E  talk 21:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * To request permanent deletion of personal information, please see Request for Oversight. -- Jreferee 21:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Who is user IRISHGUY and why has he deleted my non-spam links to an article?
Hello, a user called IRISHGUY has arbitrarily deleted legitimate links I left to an Errol Flynn article on Wiki. The sites I listed have just as much legitimacy as those already appearing on the site yet he removed them. My Flynn blog has author's Professor Lincoln Hurst of UC Davis a lifelong Flynn writer and collector who appears on TCM and in DVD feaurettes from Warner Bros of Errol's films, author Tom McNulty who wrote the LIFE AND CAREER OF ERROL FLYNN, and Jack Marino who is a family friend of Deirdre Flynn (Rory Flynn's sister who has a link on the page of the article) and of Tony Thomas Flynnn author (now deceased)and documentary maker. My links are are related directly to Errol Flynn information yet this guy deletes my links and leaves others that are no different in content than the ones I attempted to list. What in the world is going on here? Regards, David
 * Perhaps you should discuss this matter with Irishguy and come up with a decision. Click here to leave Irishguy a new message. E  talk 21:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I have explained it to him. He was spamming links to his own websites in the article. I have directed him to WP:EL and WP:SPAM twice but instead he simply continues to claim that I am censoring him. IrishGuy talk 22:11, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi David. I see that your Wikipedia user name is The Errol Flynn Blog. The best way to get the external links to The Errol Flynn Blog back in the Wikipedia Errol Flynn article is to provide information from External links that supports their inclusion in the article. And you are right in that the other external links in the Errol Flynn article should be reviewed to see whether they meet External links. -- Jreferee 23:09, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Please note that User:The Errol Flynn Blog has blanked his Talk page with the information that IrishGuy was trying to explain to him. He appears not to be interested in hearing anything that disagrees with his own agenda.  Corvus cornix 20:11, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't have my...
I don't have my password and I didn't write my email so I can't get emailed back. I know that the only other way to get my user account back is to get a developer, or someone else with direct access to the database, to beleive that it is my user account so they could possibly get me my password and user account back. But how do I get in touch with them and after that how do prove to them that it's my account?209.205.147.53 21:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If you had no edits on that account, why not just create a new account? E  talk 21:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * At What if I forget the password?, it states If you did not enter an e-mail address, or the address was out of date, but you are determined to regain access to the account, you might be able to persuade someone with direct access to the database that it is your account, and ask them to retrieve it for you. Does anyone know who has "direct access to the database." -- Jreferee 23:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I found the answer, 209.205.147.53, and it is you will have to create a new account. That statement about "someone with direct access to the database" was added November 25, 2005. It was TRANSWIKI: from Meta:Help:Logging in. Meta:Help:Logging in:What if I forget the password? states If you enter an e-mail address when signing up for the account, or in your Preferences, you can request on the login screen for a temporary password to be sent to that address, which will allow you to retrieve your account. If you did not enter an e-mail address, or the address was out of date, you will have to create a new account. So, there is your answer. Sorry for the bad news. -- Jreferee 23:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Delete a page and then recreate it
Hello,

I was wondering if anybody knows how to delete a page and then recreate it - the exact way it was except that the editing history for the previous would be gone.

Thank you.
 * Only administrators can delete pages so you might have to discuss this with one of the active admins. E  talk 21:23, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * In addition, doing what you suggest is against the GFDL. All edits based on previous versions of a page must either 1. Have those revisions accessible in the article history or 2. Include a list of all who contributed to previous revisions. The latter is rather inconvenient, so unless there is a pressing issue (for example, personal privacy violated, or sometimes libel), revisions are usually kept. If those issues do exist, oversight is the best option. Grace notes T § 21:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello,

does anyone know how to contact active administrators to be able to discuss with them a predicament about deleting a page?

thanks.
 * If you do not mind answering, what is the name of the page, and why do you think that it should be deleted? Grace notes T § 21:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * the page is called Joe Califano and I accidently edited the page without logging in so therefore my ip address is visible and i'm pretty sure that's not a good thing. thanks.
 * I don't think there is any way that the whole history is going to be erased to get rid of that. --Fredrick day 21:33, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

if I edited a page without signing in, and therefore my ip address is visible on the editing page, is there any way to cover up that ip address with my account name? I had accidently edited a page without signing in, and now i'm wondering if I would be able to cover that up somehow by hopefully just my account name.

thanks.
 * I've accidentally edited with logging in, and nothing bad has come of it. Some people prefer to not share their IP, but in basically all cases, it does not make much of a difference. My frank advice would be not worry about it. Grace notes T § 21:44, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

If you are only referring to the two edit made today to Joe Califano, then it might be possible. To request permanent deletion of personal information, please see Request for Oversight. -- Jreferee 21:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

If your edit is still the last one on the History, and your IP has not changed, just revert your edit while logged out, then log in and re-revert it back to the edited version. - Kesh 01:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Where to ask for input of on AfD?
I would like an experienced user to look at Articles for deletion/Lunds ASK (2nd nomination). I would like a third opinion, but third opinion is only viable if there are only two people involved. Basically I would like to know whether I have to continue replying there, if the arguments for deletions are valid and the article is in danger of deletion.

Whom or where can I request input? I have browsed through pages such as RfC but they don't seem to apply.

Fred-J 21:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * AFD is a consensus system (ie, not a vote) in which a closing admin will review and assess the weight and validity of any and all reasoned comments, both for and against. If it is kept, then it gets kept (though work to improve kept articles is always a good idea) and if it gets deleted, then it gets deleted. It is a very fair process and there is a review system in place for the rare occasions when an unfair deletion occurred. So don't worry about it.  Adrian  M. H.  23:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. / Fred-J 12:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Multiple comments at an AfD by one user do not get more weight and may even detract from their position, so you might not want to respond to every comment. Your best argument (which hasn't yest been posted in the AfD) is that since the club is famous in Sweeden through its national wins, it is likely the club's history was covered by WP:RS in Sweeden and, given a little more time, those WP:RS are likely to be found by those intersted in the article. -- Jreferee 16:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC)