Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 March 30

= March 30 =

Barack Obama's mother's first name
Her first name is Shirley NOT Stanley as the article states; it's Shirley Ann Dunham. Tried to edit but no place to preview or change--Tkn34 00:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. The article is currently semi-protected, which is why you can't edit it - your account needs to be a few days old. The mistake seems to be due to this Chicago Tribune article, which says Stanley, probably due to a mix-up with Barack Obama's grandfather. --Sam Blanning(talk) 00:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It looks like the error snuck into this revision. Interesting. --Teratornis 00:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Watch the video. Or see this quote from Obama's first book, Dreams from My Father, at middle of page 19: "She was teased mercilessly for her name, Stanley Ann (one of Gramp's less judicious ideas--he had wanted a son)." --HailFire 22:35, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * She may actually have been named after her grandfather. This is clearly a case where there's multiple sources for both sides of the story. I've asked someone to tell me why they believe one source over the other. Obviously one of them slipped up and it isn't neccesarily the one we think did it. - Mgm|(talk) 10:13, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently her name is actually Stanley Ann after her father, because her parents wanted a boy so much. The article now has this detail in a footnote. --Sam Blanning(talk) 12:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Surely (not Shirley :) ) he names her in one of his books? Corvus cornix 20:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Impartial Admins
Please someone take a look at my talk page and MDS International. I am being stomped on by an admin. 01:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 *  —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WizardOfWor (talk • contribs).  - Corvus cornix 01:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You violated our copyright rules and our 3RR policy. What makes you think you are being stomped on?  If you have a problem, take it to Dispute resolution  Corvus cornix 01:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Anna Anderson
I added some information and tried to cite it. Please fix the citations. They are not working. ~Gatorgirl623~ 02:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Experiment, as its the best way to learn! Follow the instructions on Citing sources, Contents #3. If you can't get it to work out, come back!SkipperClipper 02:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I've fixed the typos in the citation code and I left Gatorgirl a note on her talk page. - Mgm|(talk) 10:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Note to ~Gatorgirl623~ : you may get faster help in the future by looking up your changes in the article history, and including a link to a diff showing your exact changes, like this. That lets your helpers see exactly what you are talking about, without making each one of them hunt for it. --Teratornis 14:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Deleting search box entries
How can I delete an entry that keeps popping up in the search box ? 12.218.228.106 02:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * This question also keeps popping up. Read some old answers here. The fix will depend on what Web browser you use. --Teratornis 07:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

topic deletion
I see that the topic about the Letterheads (group) is scheduled for deletion. This is a real group of people and the article is accurate. How can this article be saved? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ampstudio (talk • contribs) 03:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC).
 * Being real is not a criterion for inclusion. Please see WP:BAND and WP:N. - Wo o  ty   Woot?   contribs  03:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

images.
How can I be able to put an image on a page? 04:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Have a look at WP:IMAGE. -SpuriousQ (talk) 04:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

You must be logged in to set user preferences
Wikipedia keeps logging me out. I get the following message

"You must be logged in to set user preferences."

I've tried using IE 6.0 and Firefox. I've tried deleting all Internet temp files. I've tried deleting cookies. But Wikipedia keeps signing me out.

Is this a known problem? Is there anything I can do?

Thanks,

Scott see —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.19.14.34 (talk) 05:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC).


 * Mhh, have you tried bypassing your browsers cache by clicking Control and F5 at the same time (this is for windows)? this should work, and if it doesn't follow up and I'll see what I can do. Thanks -  Te ll y a ddi ct  08:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Did you try the "remember me" button? If that doesn't work you can try accessing Wikipedia through https://en.wikipedia.org (note the 's'). It's slower but should keep you logged in. - Mgm|(talk) 09:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Adding old publicity photo of dead person to article.
I would like to add an old publicity photo of a dead person to an article, but I can't figure out how to tag it on the upload page, or what I should select from the pull-down menu for licensing. For the record: the subject of the photograph gave me a copy of it before they died; they do not remember who took it (this was back in the 1930s). Is such a photo considered to be in the public domain? I appreciate any guidance someone can give me. Thank you! Tented 09:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tented (talk • contribs) 09:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC).
 * No, the exact year for something to be considered public domain in the US is either 1923 or 1924 and even then there's exceptions with works that continue to be copyrighted by the photographers' surviving relatives. Since it's unlikely for someone else to make a photograph under a free license since this person is death, you can however make a good fair use claim. Try using Non-free fair use in or promophoto in combination with a fair use rationale as described in the text of those templates. - Mgm|(talk) 09:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And just to add something else which catches many people out: possessing a picture (photo or painting) doesn't give you any automatic rights, not even if it's a picture of you, not even if you have all copies and a negative. Copyright stays with the creator, unless they specifically give or sell that to you as well. Notinasnaid 10:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject CVGs
Who founded Wikiproject Computer and Video Games? Bowsy (review me!) 10:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Use the history page for the project, or ask on its talk page. Notinasnaid 10:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

DRV Endorsing
In a DRV are you supposed to Endorse or Overturn based solely upon the closing admin's conduct or handling of the discussion, or are you supposed to Endorse just because you said Delete in the article's AFD? Bowsy (review me!) 10:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * DRV decisisions can be based on closing admin conduct, new information about the subject that weren't available at the time of deletion or the revelation the decision was influenced by sockpuppet votes. If you argued to delete in the original AFD, you are perfectly allowed to change your mind later on. - Mgm|(talk) 10:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Overseas citizens of india - buying of property
I am looking for RBI rules and regulations for investing  into property in india? \≠ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 57.73.26.225 (talk) 11:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC).

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Xiner (talk, email) 13:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Rick Elice
Two questions

Someone created a page about Broadway writer Rick Elice. I added information published in the Jersey Boys Playbill. How do I attribute the source? Herbphilly 11:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

The title of the Rick Elice page is incorrect and I don't know how to edit it. It should be spelled "Elice" with one "L" Herbphilly 11:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * For attribution, see Citing sources. To fix the page name, use the "move" tab to move the page to the correct name. Help:Moving a page has the grisly details. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Dissallow Turnitin with robots.txt ?
Where is the correct place to open a discussion about preventing Turnitin from spidering wikipedia? They are currently allowed en.wikipedia.org/robots.txt. Is this sort of policy decided on consensus?  Leafy plant  12:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know if consensus of the community can overturn that, or if Turnitin respects robot.txt, or the like. WP:VPR, with a link to the discussion in WP:VPT, would probably be best. Grace notes T  § 14:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You can request changes to robots.txt at (the developers' bug and feature request tracker). Discussing on VPT first might quite possibly be a good idea. --ais523 14:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And why would you want to stop Turnitin from spidering here? Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 19:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Peter Sarafinyuk
I am currently helping correct links to Runner, a disambiguation page. Now, one of the pages that linked to this is Peter Sarafinyuk. I noticed that it said "Laura is awesome" at the end, and tried to revert it. It doesn't look like it was added in any of the edits to the article. It doesn't show up when I edit the page either. What is going on? -- Luigi Maniac  12:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Vandalism of . "Invisible" vandalism, stuff you can see on screen but can't find in the article edit window, usually comes from a template. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I thought it would be something like that, but I'm not used to templates, and was close to finishing off repairing links to Runner (which I have since completed), so I didn't check it out. Quite sneaky. -- Luigi Maniac  14:35, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

HELP
If a user is blocked, and creates a new account, would this be considered "illegal"?
 * Yes, in a way. Block evasion is a blockable offense. PTO 14:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It depends on why they were blocked. If they were banned, then yes (PTO, you're thinking of ban evasion rather than block evasion). If they were blocked for their username, then probably no. If you look in a user's block log, it will say whether the user's been blocked from creating an account or not, which should make it clear. Hope that helps! --ais523 14:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It also depends on whether the block has expired, I believe. If it has not, then creating a new user account is evasion.   -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 23:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Rename my article I created
I want to rename my page i created how do u do dat? Pretty Ricky aint breakin up yall! yay!! Tam` Tam` =] 14:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * See WP:RENAME. The instructions are there for how to rename your account. -- Luigi Maniac  14:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * To rename an article, make a request at requested moves or the assistance Village Pump if your account is less than 4 days old, or you'll get a 'move' tab at the top of the page to rename it yourself if your account is older. --ais523 14:55, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry. I thought you said rename your account. -- Luigi Maniac  14:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

lol thankies =] Pretty Ricky aint breakin up yall! yay!! Tam` Tam` =] 03:51, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Can I see what articles a specific user has created?
Apart from just looking at every edit in someone's special contributions, is there a way to see just the articles they have created. Especially if they alter the edit summary, so it no longer has the default "Created page with, etc" message? Didn't new articles used to have an n next to them in the contributions history? Crazysuit 15:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * For recently-created articles, Special:Newpages can be filtered by the user who created the article. Otherwise, I don't think you can. --ais523 15:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That seems to go back a month, but I was hoping to check longer than that. Special:Newpages is interesting, I didn't realise there's so much crap being added to Wikipedia, the first three new articles I looked at were vandalism so I just added speedy tags to them. It must be a full time job keeping that stuff out. Crazysuit 16:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed it is. :) - Wo o  ty   Woot?   contribs  18:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * This is why it's good to have a list of significant contributions on userpages, but a lot of people don't include it. Adrian   M. H.  18:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I follow the last comment, but in response to previous ones, there are roughly 4,000 articles added per day, and roughly 2,000 articles deleted per day. -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 23:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Quick reminder on policy
Can somebody quickly remind me of Wikipedia's policy on user's removing vandalism warnings from their talk pages? Is this allowed?↔NMajdan &bull;talk 15:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it's discouraged. Veinor (talk to me) 15:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * So if a user has three warnings and then deletes them, how would another user know to give them a 4th warning without going into the history first? Doesn't make sense.↔NMajdan &bull;talk
 * That's why I've been placing the template names as my edit summary when warning people. Xiner (talk, email) 15:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That definitely makes sense. Thank you.↔NMajdan &bull;talk 15:49, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I also give the warning level in all caps like "LEVEL 2 warning" Mr.Z-man  talk ¢ Review! 15:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the template names already include the warning level (eg vandalism1, test2). Xiner (talk, email) 16:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

User NMajdan is creatin innapropriate warnings on my talk page. How do I delete this and report him for abuse? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trigam41 (talk • contribs)
 * I see you have already removed the warnings, which can be seen here. Which warning do you consider to be incorrect. You (or someone using your account)certainly removed things from List of University of Oklahoma alumni, here.
 * Perhaps this was an accident for which you could simply apologise and move on.
 * Maybe there has been some other misunderstanding. In any case, where you think a warning is not called for, the first thing to do is to ask politely which edit is meant, and which Wikipedia policy or guideline you have broken. The first thing is not to immediately accuse everyone of abuse, which just gets everybody cross. Idontthinkso 16:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I consider removing warnings acceptable if the person removing them doesn't continue to engage in the behavior that got them warned. It's better to archive them and show you've read them and taken them to heart. Removing them so they're only available from the history looks like you're trying to hide something and that's not a good idea. -Mgm|(talk) 19:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * So if a user has three warnings and then deletes them, how would another user know to give them a 4th warning without going into the history first? - Well, you should be looking at the user contributions page, because if the user is doing a lot of vandalism, or is a vandalism-only account, you should report the user at WP:AIV, rather than (or in addition to) posting a warning. Plus you want to check the user contributions page to see if there is other unreverted vandalism that you can fix.
 * While you're looking at user contributions, you should also look at whether the user has edited his/her own user talk page. If so, check the diffs - that will show if he/she is removing warnings.  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 23:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Plagarism?
From this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Rock_&_Roll_Ensemble

I noticed this sentence:

"Released in 1971, Roll Over was their most overtly rock album to date and, at that time, their biggest seller, although they fell well short of Led Zeppelin on the Billboard charts."

Compare with this sentence from Alllmusic Guide (allmusic.com) in the biography for The New York Rock and Roll Ensemble:

"Released in 1971, Roll Over was their most overtly rock album to date and their biggest seller, although they fell well short of Led Zeppelin on the Billboard charts."

But otherwise the texts do not seem to be so similar. Is this plagarism? 130.64.37.206 17:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * See Plagiarism and its associated links for more info. Adrian   M. H.  18:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * One similar sentence isn't plagiarism, but if it worries you, you can rewrite it, it doesn't sound like the sentence flows all that well anyway. - Mgm|(talk) 19:12, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Even if a single sentence isn't considered plagiarism in the copyright sense, it would have been courteous to cite AMG as a source for that sentence. It's almost a verbatim copy. I would also be very suspicious of the other content in that article. -SpuriousQ (talk) 19:43, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Part of my edits are cut off when I Preview; doesn't seem to be for the usual reasons
I've read the help text about what usually causes this, and I don't think I'm doing anything wrong with links or tags. The Preview window cuts off my edits, but not always at the same point. It's always at a point right below a change I made, though. I don't Save the page, of course, when this happens. So I've edited and previewed the same text several times, to no avail.

I thought I might be able to work around this by using an External Editor, but this doesn't seem to work either. The file that is saved for me to edit has only a couple of lines of text in it--not the whole section I'm trying to edit.Glenn Ellen Starr Stilling 19:15, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Which browser are you using? Firefox users have reported this problem in the past. AndyJones 19:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm using Firefox (Mac version). Thanks for the information; I'll try it using a different browser. Glenn Ellen Starr Stilling 19:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have the Google Toolbar installed? That caused some issues with certain versions of Firefox. (It is fixed in the current version.) Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 19:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I tried editing using Safari and had no problems at all. Thanks, Andy! I'm really impressed with, and appreciative of, these fast responses. Could have saved myself a lot of time by posting here sooner. I do prefer Firefox, though, and I do have Google Toolbar installed. I'll see if I have the most recent version of the Toolbar. I thought I'd be prompted to update Toolbar when new versions were available, though. Glenn Ellen Starr Stilling 19:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't... the problem is documented at Bug 5643. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 19:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Can I upload a photo
greetings,

My name is robert west, and I am a web site designer at fx2dream. I recently recieved content for a site I am building. In my research I found wikipedia's article on "Coke Escovedo" a percussionist.

Two questions: Can I upload a photo to that article?

Coke's name was mentioned in the biography of my client. How much editing should I do? Would it be better to just link to the content on my site or should I take the pertinent sentences and try to add them to the article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fx2dream (talk • contribs) 19:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC).


 * Since you are a registered user, you can upload images yourself. Click on this link and follow the directions. Make sure any image you upload is in the public domain or is filed under a free license. If you have to upload a copyrighted image, make sure you read Wikipedia's policies at WP:Fair use to be sure you are allowed to use the image and where.
 * You're welcome to edit any of Wikipedia's page, but if you do add more information to a biography, please make sure it fits within our policies, including looking at things from a neutral point of view, establishing sufficient notability, adding only verifiable content (for example, not including any original research) and citing your sources. Let us know if you have any more questions, and if you need help fast, place a helpme template on your talk page and explain your problem. Thanks! Hersfold (talk/work) 20:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If you have a freely licensed photo, usable by anyone subject to a suitable license, that would be welcome: it would need a photographer release with the license. If you have suggestions for changes to content or suggestions for a link, the best way to do this is to suggest them on the article's talk page. Notinasnaid 22:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Lat/Long Coordinates
Is there a way to keep the Lat/Long coordinates from overlapping in Monkton, Vermont? The second set of coor's is more accurate than the first but the first provides a bunch of links. Dismas |(talk) 19:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * The way you had it, no. I replaced the second set of coordinates with a more basic coor dms template that allows the more accurate coordinates to be displayed in the article, while keeping the links displayed below. That should work better, I think. Hersfold (talk/work) 20:34, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Where to post feature requests
Theres an idea i hope that will be implemented that i posted in the technical pump. Where else can i post it so that i get some response? --Plane Mad 19:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Most likely, that'll be it. The Tech pump is occasionally rather busy, and they might not be able to get to your idea straightaway. If it doesn't get a response for a while, just post it again so it stays fresh. I'm sure someone will respond eventually. Hersfold (talk/work) 20:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, that's wrong. Your idea is probably fine on the tech pump, but it may be a long time until a developer or Wikimedia staff member reads it, if ever. You should definitely submit your idea to bugzilla, as developers will read that page and you'll get some response there. Hersfold (talk/work) 20:23, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

how do i upload an image in wikipedia
hi, im just wondering, where can i upload images in wikipedia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sir de wario (talk • contribs) 20:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC).


 * Since you are a registered user, you can upload images yourself. Click on this link and follow the directions. Make sure any image you upload is in the public domain or is filed under a free license. If you have to upload a copyrighted image, make sure you read Wikipedia's policies at WP:Fair use to be sure you are allowed to use the image and where. Hersfold (talk/work) 20:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Lakeside School
The article on Lakeside School (Seattle) has been vandalized again. I removed the offensive language, and agree with an earlier poster about the need to lock this page to prevent further vandalism.

Thank you,

John Newsom Director of Technology Lakeside School

John.newsom 20:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * You may request page protection at WP:RFPP. However, this article won't be accepted because it has seen few acts of vandalism. I'm afraid someone will just have to watchlist it and revert when necessary. It's the price we pay for being a website that anyone can edit. Xiner (talk, email) 20:32, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * However, it was vandalised by 70.103.85.128. That is the IP address used by you, and indicates someone in the school. In particular circumstances, where there are sufficient vandals among your students, it's possible to put a block on that IP address for up to (I seem to recall) six months. Notinasnaid 20:56, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Note too that if it was semi-protected, you would not be able (as an anonymous, not logged in, editor) to correct vandalism by students who go to the trouble of registering. Notinasnaid 20:57, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Forgot password
What should i do???? i lost my password. TWICE!

71.63.7.235 21:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If you registered an e-mail address (and you really should have done) then click the link on the log-in screen and wait for the e-mail. Otherwise, you are out of luck, I think. Adrian   M. H.  21:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup, there isn't any way other than email to regain access to a user account; otherwise, you're going to have to register again.  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 23:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Editing large articles
A couple of times I've run across this problem: I try to make a (minor) edit on a long article; the edit window comes up w/ warning at the top, e.g. "This page is 31 kilobytes long.". When I try & insert text I hear my computer's audio "error" sound, & the browser jumps to the bottom of the page w/o making the edit. Most recently this happened while trying to add a wikilink in Witold_Lutos%C5%82awski.

Is this just a deficiency in my browser? I'm working via Internet Explorer 5.1 on Mac OS 9. (I know, I'm living in the stone age, but it works ok for most stuff.) Thanks. -- Turangalila (talk) 21:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've experienced the same issues with Internet Explorer 5.x on a Mac. Older browsers don't allow more than a certain amount of text in an edit box. Editing in this case could lead to you cutting up articles past the point of what fits in the box on your system. I suggest you try upgrading to IE 6. I've lived in the stone age too and on Windows 98 IE6 never caused me any problems. - Mgm|(talk) 22:28, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * See: WP:SS and WP:SIZE. --Teratornis 22:30, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've copied this over to my talk page, since this page gives my browser trouble too (sigh) -- Turangalila  (talk) 06:47, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Uploading Image
I have created an article on a scientific magazine for which I have done a magazine information box in the right hand corner. I would like to include an image in that information box of an old magazine cover. I work for the magazine and have permission to use the image on wikipedia. How do I go about uploading the image and then how am I able to add it to the magazine information box. The page is titled, Cosmetics & Toiletries. Thank you for your help. Kschaef121 21:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have a full release for the image, for use for any purpose by anyone, including commercially, subject only to credit? That's essentially what's needed: release under a specific license. Notinasnaid 22:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Here is some guidance: Help:Images and other uploaded files and Image copyright tags. Also, there is a specialized place to ask questions of this type: Media copyright questions.  -- John Broughton  (♫♫) 23:02, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Need help fixing an image link
Hello! I found a broken image link in the article "Sling (weapon)". There used to be a detail photo from a tapestry, partway down the page. That same image still exists in the German wikipedia, in the article about Goliath (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath_%28Bibel%29). The link in the English article refers to "Image:David_gegen_Goliath.jpg"; the link in the German article refers to "Image:David_gegen_Goliath2.jpg". Looks like someone updated the image and changed the name by appending the digit "2". There is an image with the latter name in the Commons (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:David_gegen_goliath2.jpg), but I do not know how to link to the Commons. Can you tell me how to do this? Thanks! — SWWrightTalk 22:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Images at Commons are linked just as if they were images at any of the Wikipedias (the software looks for a local image by the indicated name and if one is not found automatically looks at Commons). -- Rick Block (talk) 22:31, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * AHA! I had tried just adding a "2" to the filename "David_gegen_Goliath.jpg", but the new filename is actually "David_gegen_goliath2.jpg" (the "g" is NOT capitalized).  Therefore it did not work.  When I typed it in correctly, the link worked.  All fixed now.  Thanks!  — SWWrightTalk 23:13, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

El Categorie (note: this question has been moved from the talk page)
I know that I'm probably asking the wrong questions at the wrong place, but I have major difficulties with editing the main page (technical issues on my side).

My questions are:
 * 1) How do I create a new category? Do I simply type Category:Blah on some page?
 * 2) How do I create sub-categories? You know, the ones with the plus signs?
 * 3) How do I edit the category page to display a note before showing its members?
 * 4) What's the issue with redundant categorisation (where a page is under a category and a sub-category)?

Actually, if there's some manual which answers these questions then I won't mind if you just point me to that.

Thank you. Zyxoas (talk to me - I'll listen) 08:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Some replies


 * Yes, putting a page in a category creates the category. Consider first the effect on the members; categories are constantly being deleted because articles are in too many categories, and an endless list at the end is considered undesirable.
 * 1) Put the subcategory into the parent category and it happens.
 * 2) When you are looking at the category listing, list click Edit in the normal way. What you see is a mixture of a normal editable page and the members of the category.
 * 3) It's generally frowed upon, and if editors find something in both a category and a parent, they will remove it from the parent. One reason is that it adds still more to category bloat (long lists in articles). Another is that it makes the categories themselves too long. It also is pointless and confusing for people trying to navigate around the heirarchy of categories. Notinasnaid 10:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. That's perfect. Zyxoas (talk to me - I'll listen) 11:39, 30 March 2007 (UTC)