Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 May 16

= May 16 =

Article Recreation
At what point is it all right to recreate a deleted article? e.g., would it be all right if you found several new reliable sources? Temperal xy 13:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Account deletion
How do I delete my Wikipedia account? —Preceding unsigned comment added by LuvTheJams06 (talk • contribs)
 * You can't, but you do have the m:Right to vanish which usually involves deleting your user page, user talk page and all subpages. x42bn6 Talk Mess  02:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

main tag link?
Legal history of marijuana in the United States under this section, should I link to 1937 Marihuana Tax Act in the first senstance like I have, or should I use a  tag? Thank you. —User:Christopher Mann McKay 01:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think the main tag should be used with the current article content, because Legal history of marijuana in the United States has a subsection which is not in the "main article" 1937 Marihuana Tax Act, so it isn't that main after all. If the subsection was moved to 1937 Marihuana Tax Act then the main tag would be better. See also Summary style. PrimeHunter 01:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Making pages
How do you create a page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pyro Niek (talk • contribs) 01:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC).


 * Go to the page using your browser's edit line (type http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Examplepagename ) or by creating a link in your userpage like this to the article title which you can click. Once you get there, it should be reasonably simple to edit that page to include the appropriate information. Nihiltres(t.c.s) 01:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Help:Starting a new page and Your first article are also useful to look at. x42bn6 Talk Mess  02:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Same name articles
What do I do if I would like to make an article about something that has the same name as something else? In this case, it is a school in Alabama, but unfortunately, there is another school in Arkansas that has the exact same name. What do I do? Siddonie 04:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

You can make a disambiguation page(see disambiguation for more details.Hope this helps you, Cheers!--Teddey 04:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

and
What do they do? I work on another, fairly popular wiki, and I couldn't get someone over IRC (our) to answer it. We aren't really technical over there... --Izno 04:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Lol, nvm. Interesting, that. :) --Izno 04:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Rotarian Zohreh Tamjidi
Why join Rotary?

Rotary develops character and brings out the best of the human spirit. It teaches people ethics, humanity, cultural awareness, people skills and the desire and ability to service others. Rotary creates a more positive environment for promoting world understanding and peace.

Rotary always benefits two people. The child who is sick, who is hungry, who is thirsty who has no clothes. No shelter, no education, no future, no hope…. that child is the beneficiary of Rotary's outreach. That child is Rotary's business.

But another benefit comes to the Rotarian - the one actually providing the service. The Rotarian grows and fulfills the real reason for his or her existence, which is to serve others. The Rotarian becomes an emotionally and spiritually healthier person, a better professional, a better father or mother, a better citizen, a better human being.

Yet there are millions of men and women around the world who are Rotarians at heart but who have never joined because of one simple reason - they haven't been asked. We must ask them now! Ever since the tragedy of 11 September, there is an urgency to our quest. There is a greater need from Rotarians and Rotary clubs than ever before. One night I sat pondering at my desk in my den, wondering why I was a Rotarian. I came up with 20 answers to the question : why join rotary? They are :

1. Friendship : In an increasingly complex world, Rotary provides one of the most basic human needs; the need for friends and fellowship.

2. Business Development : Rotary consists of a cross section of every business community.

3. Personal Growth and Development: Membership in Rotary continues one's growth in human relations and personal development.

4. Leadership Development : Rotary is an organization of leaders and successful people. Serving in Rotary positions is like a college education in leadership.

5. Citizenship in the Community : The average Rotary club consists of the most active citizens of any community.

6. Continuing Education : Each week at Rotary there is a program designed to keep one informed as to what is going on in the community, nation and world.

7. Fun: Rotary provides fellowship, social activities and fun in service.

8. Public Speaking Skills: Rotary develops confidence and skill in public communication.

9. Citizenship in the World: There are few places that do not have a Rotary club, which results in instant friends around the world.

10. Assistance when Traveling : Rotarians who travel can quickly find a doctor. lawyer, hotel, dentist, etc. through Rotary's network.

11. Entertainment : Rotary offers conferences, conventions, assemblies and institutes that provide entertainment in addition to Rotary information, education and service.

12. The Development of Social Skills: Every week, members have an opportunity to develop their people skills through Rotary's meetings, service activities and social functions.

13. Family Programs: Rotary provides one of the world's largest Youth Exchange programs: programs for high-school and college-age students, opportunities for spouses, and activities to assist family members in the development of values.

14. Vocational Skills: Every Rotarian is expected to contribute to the development of his or her vocation.

15. The Development of Ethics: Rotarians practice the 4-Way Test, which governs one's ethical standards. Rotarians are expected to be ethical in business and personal relationship.

16. Cultural Awareness: Virtually every country, culture, religion, race, creed, political persuasion, language, color and ethnic identity is found in Rotary.

17. Prestige: Rotary is the oldest and most prestigious service club in the world. Its ranks include executives, managers and professionals - people who make decisions and influence policy.

18. Nice People: Rotarians, above all, are nice people. There are important people who believe in the adage that while "it is nice to be important, it is more important to be nice."

19. The Absence of "Official Creed": Rotary has no secret handshake, no secret policy, no official creed, no secret meetings or rituals. It is an open society of men and women who simply believe in helping others.

20. The Opportunity to Serve: Rotary is a service club. Its business is mankind; its product is service. This is perhaps the best reason for becoming a Rotarian - the chance to do something for somebody else while experiencing self-fulfillment in the process.

Rotarians are in the world's greatest business. We must succeed. No other success can compensate for failure, for Mankind is our Business! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zohreh Tamjidi (talk • contribs) 05:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC).


 * See: Why on Earth would I want to contribute to a wiki. The cool thing about wikis is that we can collaborate on lists like that, and keep making them better and better. Wikipedia is also a project of a charitable organization, so lots of people who donate their time here might share some personality traits with members of other charitable organizations. A free encyclopedia isn't something a starving child can eat, but in the long run, the only approach to the problems of poverty that seems to have any chance of working is to make human knowledge more available and more usable. Wikipedia seems to be advancing that goal in ways no other organization is doing right now. Giving away free food and so on is great for the people who need it, but despite all the massive charity efforts over the past centuries (or, perversely, perhaps in part because of them), the number of people living in abject poverty keeps increasing exponentially (the world's poorest billion people subsist on the equivalent of about $1/day per capita, and next poorest two billion make do with about $3/day or less - that is a level of poverty almost unimaginable to anyone who can afford the computer and Internet access to read this message).
 * Also see: WP:NOT. Is it part of the Rotarian concept of "service" to go around spamming other people's web sites with promotional literature they specifically say they don't want? --Teratornis 06:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We have an article on Rotary International but your list would not be appropriate content for Wikipedia. We are here to write an encyclopedia and not to advertise for organizations or causes no matter how good they may be. PrimeHunter 10:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

novels
name three novels of washington lrving —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.139.48.131 (talk) 05:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC).
 * Washington Irving. --Teratornis 05:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Multiple user accounts
Where's the policy regarding not having multiple people use one account? I can't find anything on any of the policies or guidelines that I can think of. Confusing Manifestation 06:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * See Role account or Sockpuppet. - Mgm|(talk) 08:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Now to see if the role account I found yesterday has been blocked yet. Confusing Manifestation 22:11, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Finding images I have downloaded once pefore
I have downloaded images before and can not find the way back to this images. To help you with my request for help a sample picture is called "Wiki>EartRise.jpg". Thank you for your anticipated help. courioustwentyone —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Curioustwentyone (talk • contribs) 08:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC).
 * The image has probably been deleted. You might check the deletion log, providing you remember the accurate title of the image. There's no log for the image you mentioned. PeaceNT 13:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Not the precise title you asked for, but the Earthrise picture is famous. More at commons:Category:Earthrise. PrimeHunter 14:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

flag icons
Csn you like give me a page with all of them on please? Like the ones people usually use next to their place of birth? Speedboy Salesman 09:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * See List of flags and the links there such as Gallery of sovereign-state flags. PrimeHunter 09:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You might also look through Category:Lists of flags. PeaceNT 13:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Rampura, Neemuch
Hi

Thanks for the helpful guidance about uploading files.

In myRampura, Neemuch, write-up, I have included my personal pictures. However, when I click on that link, I get a message about CopyRight, and a 48-hour notice to update the information, esle it would be deleted. The pictures are my personal propoeerty. What shoudl I do next?

Thanks Dr. Raji Tripathi
 * You linked an image in an URL, while to actually display it, you need Extended image syntax. You need to choose a proper license tag to apply to your picture that allows Wikipedia and its readers to reuse the image. (Try Image tutorial)- Mgm|(talk) 11:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You forgot to login when you posted this question which made your IP instead of your username show up in the edit history. Make sure you're signed in when asking questions so people can peruse your edits for further details. You can sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information also makes it easier to tell who said what, and when. - Mgm|(talk) 11:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It also looks like you should try the tutorial. We generally don't link to Wikipedia articles using full URLS. - Mgm|(talk) 12:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Where to post problem articles?
Is there a place to post problem articles that need attention? I'm worried that Themes in Blade Runner is original research and should be considered for deletion, but don't want to upset anyone by nominating it myself... Not a dog 13:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * In that case, you can have a look at Template messages/Maintenance, and see if you can find a template you feel is suitable for the article. Then just edit the article, and insert the bit of text in the left column to either a section, or on the top of the page. That way it'll be added to a category alerting other users that the article needs to be improved. Bjelleklang -  talk  Bug Me  13:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) If you think that an article has problems that aren't serious enough for deletion, you can tag it with a cleanup template, which will add it to an appropriate cleanup category; some users look through cleanup categories to see if they can fix the article, but they often get backlogged. --ais523 13:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Vandal
72.72.62.151 Could someone warn this guy to stop messing up articles,Budai ,Puppy.... Peabody, Massachusetts... Wilmington, Massachusetts--McNoddy 14:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It seems they have stopped. If they continue to vandalise articles after final warning, you might report them at WP:AIV. PeaceNT 14:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I've got a VANDAL problem. It's actually pretty brutal. The person made disgusting sexual references in our entry for The Wild Wild Westmar Show. He should be banned now, but I'm trying to follow Wiki procedure. I have placed a warning on his talk page. However, my guess is it will not stop the vandalizing. How can I see the ip address of this vandal? The user name is Billyjoejimbob9654. With a user name like that, it seems obvious to me that this person is only here to cause problems.--Herbert Arthur 09:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Creation of redirects where topic is non-notable
What is the policy for redirects where the created page would otherwise be deleted. For example, article Pebble that I found on a beach in March 2006, while on vacation in Bermuda is created solely as a redirect to Bermuda? - Tiswas (t) 14:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The example you mention would probably be deleted (as an unlikely search term for a user trying to find information on Bermuda). Some general rules on whether or not a redirect will/should be deleted can be found on this page. Note that they are not hard-and-fast rules, and involve the use of judgement by editors. Carom 14:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Note that there are lots of useful redirects on non-notable topics. Redirects are cheap. They should usually only be considered for deletion if they are harmful or useless (your example should probably be deleted). More at Redirects for discussion. PrimeHunter 14:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

What is the correct response to "brutal editing" ?
Hello. I have a problem with the article Jim Morrison. For a few weeks, a user (Tecmobowl) has been editing it heavily, removing big chunks of various sections and deleting much valuable information based only on his own very restrictive vision of what is "encyclopedic".

I left him a message on his user talk page, and wrote about it in the talk page of the article. He answered me politely, but didn't change his modus operandi. I left a call on the talk page of the article for other contributors to give their opinion so we could try and reach some consensus on the matter, but so far nobody came forward.

I reverted his controversial edits a few times, stating that I thought the article should be left as it was intially until some consensus is reached, but he didn't seem to agree and put them back in. I don't want to engage in a vain revert war. But on the other hand, I don't think he should be left alone "mutilating" the article (although I don't question that he is acting in good faith). So what is the correct response ? Leave a message on the admins noticeboard (although this is not technically vandalism, I guess it could be called "soft vandalism" or "editing with an ax") ?

For those interested in the dispute, see here on the talk page of the article : Please stop "editing with an ax" ! You're of course welcome to contribute to the argument.

Thanks for your answer. - Fils du Soleil 16:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If he were just randomly removing things, then it would probably be vandalism, yes. But he's removing them because they are not sourced. That's not against the rules, because all content is supposed to be verifiable, which means you need to have reliable sources. -Amarkov moo! 16:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with Amarkov. Tecmobowl appears to be being bold, improving articles, following policy and guidelines (especially verifiablity, and leaving informative edit summaries. - Tiswas (t) 16:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * But wouldn't it be so much better if, instead of simply removing the unsourced claims, Tecmobowl were to source them, or encourage others with superior search skills to source them? Imagine trying to function in deletionist mode in the real world. For example, when your computer malfunctions, do you try to fix what is wrong, or do you smash it with a hammer? If you cannot fix it yourself, but someone else can, then finding someone to fix it preserves the value of the computer. It doesn't take any skill to go around smashing everything that has a problem; even children can do that. An "encyclopedia of the highest quality" seems unlikely to result from unskilled edits. Deleting any unsourced claim which is potentially sourceable deprives other editors who might be able to source those claims of the visual clue that their help is needed. Tecmobowl (or anyone disagreeing with Tecmobowl's deletions) could edit more constructively by moving the unsourced claims from the article to its talk page, with a request for other editors to source them. If I were the Grand Mufti of Wikipedia, I would issue the fatwa: "Only after a reasonable level of consensus emerges that a claim cannot be sourced should it be removed entirely."
 * Perhaps Wikipedia needs a more explicit mechanism for accumulating unsourced claims and processing them into sourced claims. Wikipedia has a policy of allowing anyone to edit, without requiring any sort of credentials. Wikipedia doesn't even require contributors to have demonstrated any understanding of Wikipedia's rules for content. This practically invites casual contributors to fill up articles with unsourced claims. However, I don't see this as necessarily a bad thing, because random visitors may know quite a bit about a few topics, even if they lack the ability to source their claims. (The average person probably wouldn't know where to begin if asked to provide reliable sources for everything he or she knows.) Other contributors who specialize in finding reliable sources could then evaluate the interesting tidbits, keeping those which can be sourced, and rejecting those which cannot.
 * This sort of thing goes on already, but the mechanism is inefficient, because people generally use articles themselves as a holding area for unsourced claims awaiting sources. That is bad from a number of aspects: unsourced claims may be deleted from articles before someone who could source them sees them, and while the unsourced claims are sitting in articles, visitors are looking at content with unknown reliability. Talk pages can be opportunistically used to buffer the unsourced claims awaiting sourcing, but this is not very organized; it would be better to track article defects in a structured way. If we take the view that unsourced claims and other defects in articles are similar to bugs in computer programs, then we might consider using tools developed by programmers to assist with debugging.
 * For example, we might build a claim-tracking system that works like a bug tracking system to track unsourced claims (and every sort of problem that editors find in an article, which they themselves cannot fix on the spot). Editors who specialize in fact-checking could use the claim tracking system to record the searches they try for particular claims, so other editors would not waste time repeating the same searches which previously failed. Having a way to generate lists of unsourced claims, and sort them by their properties (such as: the amount of time since they entered the system, the amount of attention they have received, the number of objections raised, and so on) might allow fact-checking specialists to zero in more efficiently on those claims they happen to know how to source. Currently, if someone is good at looking things up, he or she has no efficient way to obtain a list of all the unsourced claims on Wikipedia awaiting sources, except to hunt through large numbers of entire articles for them. Articles can currently be tagged as having unsourced claims, but one still has to read each tagged article to identify the claims. --Teratornis 18:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers, but where does that leave me with my original question ? Is there anything I can do about the situation ?

- Most of what he deleted is referenced in the books at the end of the articles, I can't make a note after each sentence (and I'm also not the one who originally wrote these sentences). - In at least one case, he deleted something directly referenced : ''According to Morrison, one of the most important events of his life occurred when he was a child in 1949, during a family road trip in New Mexico, when he and his parents and grandmother came across the scene of an accident in the desert. As he recites in the spoken-word bridge of his song "Peace Frog" and "The Ghost Song" : "Indians scattered on dawn's highway bleeding / Ghosts crowd the young child's fragile egg–shell mind."'' - And finally, there is also the question of style : in rephrasing everything in a stark manner, he's taking all the colors out of the article.

So is there any course of action about the situation other than "putting a note after each sentence", a revert war, or just standing by ? - Fils du Soleil 21:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Just a small point. You write "I can't make a note after each sentence". Why not? Inline citation is very much the correct style, and if each sentence needs a citation, then just include one. If you aren't clear how to repeatedly cite the same source (and same page), let us know. If the references are drawn from different pages of a bigger work, then yes, each reference should be there, separate, with page number. The way to deal with brutal editing of uncited text is simply to cite it. If the problem persists, it's a different problem. Notinasnaid 21:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I looked at the article. Five inline citations in an article this length is woeful. I think you should use this "brutal" editing as an opportunity to turn a poor article (well written but unsourced) into a good one. You cannot expect people wanting to verify the facts in an article to just go off and read all the books listed then cross check each sentence. Notinasnaid 21:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

@ Fils du Soleil: Since no one has mentioned this yet, you might also wish to consider saving (what you consider to be) a "clean" version of the article to your own hard drive or personal user space, and then ask people for comparison between your "clean" version and the "defaced" version after the other user has had his day chopping things up with his or her trusty axe. (Note, these terms are used for simplicity, and have nothing to do with characterizing anyone's edits to any speicfic article here on WP, I am not taking anyone's side, just giving you a quick answer you can easily relate to). dr.ef.tymac 17:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the advice. For now, I'll just let it be, and hope that in time some other contributors will get involved and that collective discussion will permit to reach some consensus. - Fils du Soleil 20:39, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Reference and citations issue
I have been told that my article does not cite any references or sources. To that note I would like to make a reference to a website and some books but I cannot seem to find any menu or options to do that. Can someone please help me out. The article is evans brothers nigeria publishers limited.

Kind Regards Damolat

I have been told that my article does not cite any references or sources. To that note I would like to make a reference to a website and some books but I cannot seem to find any menu or options to do that. Can someone please help me out. The article is evans brothers nigeria publishers limited.

Damolat 16:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * WP:CITE should be helpful to you. -- Lara Love T / C  16:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * And WP:FOOT, too. PeaceNT 17:36, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * And WP:CITET. For everything you could possibly want to know about sources, see User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia. --Teratornis 18:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

iExplore, Inc.
I am Georgedeeb(user name), CEO of iExplore, Inc. I submitted a page on what is iExplore, Inc. yesterday. I was very careful not to be promotional, simply factual on who we are. I even included inbound links to our parent company, First Choice Holidays PLC, a US$4BN company who owns iExplore. Page went live yesterday, no problem. Page disappeared today, probably for speedy deletion. I can't even find the copy of the page in the delete logs, to try and have it reinstated. How do I find the deleted copy and get page approved for publishing by a human editor on your end, without risking starting all over again and having the page deteted. iExplore is the largest website for adventure travel with over 1,300,000 visitors per month. Was simply creating a divisional page below our parent company's page, which as been approved. Thanks for thoughts. George. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Georgedeeb (talk • contribs) 11:55, 16 May 2007


 * Can you give the exact name under which you created this article? Capitolization matters. I have not been able to find the delete log on it, to let you know why it was deleted. Note that under our conflict of interest policy, you really should not write an article about a firm of which you are an officer. DES (talk) 17:01, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Failing that, wite a draft in your user space, and ask an experienced editor for an opnion when it is ready, if you wish. It is very unlikely that anyoen will speedy delete a draft in userspace for a limited time. DES (talk) 17:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Apropos, there is no record in Georgedeeb's contributions of him creating any article. Does this mean that the iExplore article must have been created by another account (assuming it was actually created)? Or is the record of the creation removed when an article is deleted? --Tugbug 17:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * All edits to deleted articles, including creation, are removed from contributions (I don't know whether administrators can see them without knowing the article name). PrimeHunter 17:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I am an admin, and i don't know of any way to see the contents of a deleted article without knowing either the exact name of the article, or the name of the admin who deleted it. (well, one could search the entire delete log, but that would be a huge task. DES (talk) 19:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Not so huge after all. searched through the first 20,000 entries in the delete log, and found IExplore, Inc. (putting the period in the name fooled my previous searches) deleted by User: Renata3 with the reason "spam". The delted "article" included such phrases as "... website is a one-stop adventure travel portal" and " 's large consumer reach (over 1,000,000 visitors per month) and affluent customer demographics attract a large base of high-end travel and lifestyle advertisers" and " 's advertisers include many respected companies, like ..." and it cites the company as sole source. It also included a mailing address and an 800 phone number. it reads like a cut&past of a corporate flyer, and I would have delted it as spam in a heartbeat. Should have known. DES (talk) 19:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Invisible thumbnails
I've noticed that a lot of articles, like this one are coded to display thumbnails, but the thumbnails don't show. Does anyone know what the fix is? I'm disambiguating and looking at a lot of pages that I could fix if I knew how. --Steven J. Anderson 17:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I assume you mean the two images, one of some people in colorful clothes, and another of a garment with no wearer. If so, I see the two thunbnails just fine. Ideas, anyone? --Tugbug 17:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I also see the two described pictures, Image:Adam Bruce Finlaggan and Charles Burnett Ross.jpg and Image:Blanc Coursier Tabard.jpg, without problems. Maybe it's a setting or problem in your browser. PrimeHunter 17:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Weird. The images show up fine to me, too. What type of web browser do you use, Steven? PeaceNT 17:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Issac Newton's self description, "an Occultist" seen on a picture of he sitting at a table[an old picture/drawing
Hello ,I was looking up Issac Newton on websites and a drawing of he sitting at a table where he described himself as a ,"Occultist" is what I'm searching for. I am taking an anthropology class and wanted to share that to the class.My e-mail is , thank you. Bill J. ps how do ilog in this site? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.233.58.100 (talk) 17:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC).


 * Don't know much about Isaac Newton. But there are links that let you create an account and log in. Look in the upper-right-hand corner of the page. Also, don't post your e-mail address on a public website. You'll be deluged with spam. --Tugbug 17:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know the drawing you refer to, but you may be interested in Isaac Newton's occult studies. PrimeHunter 17:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Login problem
Your help system goes round in circles!!

The above message (You are not currently logged in. While you are free to edit without logging in, your IP address (viewable on your talkpage, where you can check messages sent to your IP) will be recorded in this page's edit history. Creating an account will conceal your IP address and provide you with many other benefits.)is not appropriate for this section.

I created an account, but was not given any opportunity to enter an email. Now the login page persistently refuses to accept my password. The additional scripted words are also often illegible. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.252.63.93 (talk) 17:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC).
 * Where it says "Don't have an account?" Click "Create one." Did you do that? It offers the option to type in your email. [' Mac Δαvιs '] ❖ 19:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Anna Nicole Smith
What is Wikipedia's style policy on the Infobox colour of a deceased person ?

Is it Silver ?

Is it in the Manual of Style ?--Tovojolo 18:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I asked about this nearlyy 6 hours ago - is anything the matter ?--Tovojolo 00:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

What is Wikipedia's style policy on the Infobox colour of a deceased person ?

Is it Silver ?

Is it in the Manual of Style ?
 * I don't think there is a particular policy on what the color of the infobox of a deceased person should be. Other users can correct me if I'm wrong. -- Hdt83 Chat 00:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Six hours? Wow. It took me about 6 minutes to find Infobox_colours. It's outdated. There is no specific color to use for deceased persons. However, silver was for Saints, so I'm pretty sure that's not the right color for Anna. I'd use pink for her. Lara Love  T / C  00:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality
The article on the "Fox School of Business" is largely an advertisement and obviously uses non-neutral language. How do I just challenge the neutrality of an article, and sort of "raise a red flag" regarding it's neutrality, without actually changing the language of the article myself?
 * Use the tag. — Da rk •S hik ari [T] 19:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Style Guide question: U.S. (with periods), UK (without)
I've skimmed the discussion archives for this question, but haven't seen an answer--why does the style guide dictate that the abbreviation for U.S. appear with periods but UK without? Sfmammamia 19:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Because UK rarely appears with periods, while U.S. sometimes does. I'm not sure there's a deep reason why, other than the need for something consistent. -Amarkov moo! 21:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe it's just a matter of common style. US, depending on context and such, could be taken as the word "us", therefore periods are used. UK doesn't make any sense as a word, therefore no periods are used. As far as this American sees it, the UK is hardly ever referred to by its expanded version of "United Kingdom". It's usually England (accuracy aside), the UK, or more seldomly Britain. Although, the U.S. is often not abridged and many people refer to it as the United States. As far as an official discussion of it, that I don't have a link to. Dismas |(talk) 21:56, 16 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you both for the responses. Both the AP Style Guide and Chicago Manual of Style dictate abbreviating U.K. with periods. Perhaps usage is different outside the U.S.? I find the appearance of both treatments within the same article to be maddeningly INconsistent, rather than consistent, but rather than buck the tide (since there's obviously been a lot of past discussion to arrive at this) I will respect this idiosyncrasy when editing here. --Sfmammamia 01:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

HELPME!
Hello, I am wondering what the code for  is on the Spanish Wikipeida. I created a new account, and my Spanish is very limited. Thank you, Curran (talk)  22:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently, es.wiki doesn't have an equivalent to our template; but you can post your query here. My Spanish isn't top notch either, but I can try and translate your question and post it for you there if you wish. Cheers,  P h a e d r i e l  - 23:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)