Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 November 26

= November 26 =

problem of format of audio and video files
Hello, this is one poor guy, need your help badly....! coz the format of all the audio and video files is some kid "ogg" and on simple windows media player it doesnot run... we are here for study in cuba, and here the internet is fully restricted''' except some sites like wikipedia... now i yearn to learn spanish, there is enough material for begginers in wikibooks' learn french catagory, but the main problem with the french is its pronunciation. here i cant download the extra codecs to listen the audio files given in content. plz do change the format,compatible to simple windows media player so that this poor guy could be able to fullfill his innocent wish. Please.....! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.220.222.140 (talk) 00:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you download VLC media player? That should play the ogg files. It's interesting that Cuba does not restrict Wikipedia, when China does. --Teratornis (talk) 00:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You should check the file info page. There is a Java program that allows playing such files directly from your browser. - Mgm|(talk) 00:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Deleting a page I created
I would like to delete a page I created. How do I do so? There is no "edit" above the stub, only over the external links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blairtin (talk • contribs) 00:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If you are the only substantial contributor then you can place db-author on the page. Click "edit this page" at the top to edit the whole page. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Presumably you're talking about the article Blair Tindall: at least seven other editors have contributed to this article since you created it. If you yourself are Blair Tindall, I do want to caution you about our rules regarding conflict of interest and autobiography on Wikipedia. -- Orange Mike  |  Talk  00:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Something to Sing About page!!!
How am I doing with Something to Sing About'' (2000) page? is there any changes that need to be done? If so, can you fix it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bamgermany2000 (talk • contribs) 01:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You may want to take a look at the New Contributor's Help Page, where experienced editors regularly look over new creations and provide advice for improvement. We're only here to help you use Wikipedia, although from what I can tell, it's off to a good start. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 02:37, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

how
VivioFa teFan  (Talk, Sandbox) 04:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC) ::I would think so. Dr.K. (talk) 04:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

how do u spell sertain —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.229.208.198 (talk) 03:23, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * certain. Dr.K. (talk) 03:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Renaming an article
Moved in. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC) Hello,

Is there a method to rename an article? I inadvertently used a lower case letter for a persons name.

Thank you,

Steven Miranda —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.62.10 (talk) 03:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, you "move this page". But you can only do it if you're logged in, and only if your login has "aged" sufficiently.  If you can't, simply list the page name here (or at Requested moves) and someone will move it for you. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Making a Wikipedia page available offline
I expanded a Wikipedia stub with new material, text and images. I am using Windows XP home edition with SP2. How can I tell Internet Explorere V7.0 to make this page available offline? The page does contain a couple of links.--Aernyes (talk) 03:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Your question is unclear. What do you mean by "make a page available offline"? -- Orange Mike  |  Talk  03:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Go to the Tools menu and check Menu Bar. In the menu bar click file and choose Work offline from the drop down menu. Dr.K. (talk) 04:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * According to IE7 help: offline viewing is one of the features removed from IE7, but you can save a webpage as a web archive. I think that is what you want. Click Page -> Save As and set Save as type to Web Archive. --teb728 (talk) 04:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * My IE7 version has a fully functioning Work-offline function. No problems here. Dr.K. (talk) 12:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * “Working offline” means working from the cache. IE6 had an additional feature called “make available offline,” whereby the content of certain favorites would be automatically cached (without one’s visiting them) for offline viewing. This feature was discontinued in IE7. --teb728 t c 19:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I find and edit my Java Script?
VivioFa teFan  (Talk, Sandbox) 04:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC) I want to add the popups script but I don't know how to find my Javea Script. I looked at everything in My Preferences but could not find it. - mbeychok (talk) 04:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Requesting to delete a page
What is the code to request to delete a page that you created. (Such as a User Sub-Page)

I'm pretty sure there is one, I can remember seeing it. DTGardner (talk) 04:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * db-userreq for userpages or db-author for other pages Mr.  Z- man  04:52, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Inquiry
Hello, What is the UK's independence date? Britain's? How am I going to see your response since I can't provide my e-mail address? Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.16.132 (talk) 05:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi! First question: As far as I know, Britain doesn't have an independence day, certainly not in the same way that America or India does since Britain was never a colony or territory of another nation. There is St George's Day which is England's national day; other parts of the United Kingdom have their own national days. Second question, questions are answered on this page. I will also leave a message on your talk page. Bonus answer: this page is actually for asking questions about Wikipedia. General knowledge questions will get a better response at the Reference desk. Thanks! --  Kateshort  forbob  09:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Donation in Indian Rupees
I would like to donate some money in INR. For God's sake, provide a local account in India where I can freely remit the money. Your paypal, moneybooker are of no use. If you have a local account, I can instruct my banker to remit money. I think so many others like me in India who want to donate are frustrated. Have agency arrangement with some Intl. Bank like Citi Bank or HSBC. Please do something about this.

thanks

pv —Preceding unsigned comment added by Palaparthivr (talk • contribs) 09:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't know if this will be of any use, but you can directly deposit into Wikimedia's bank account (click "direct deposit" on the donate page) or mail a check ("check (by mail)"). N F 24 (radio me!) 11:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

No use. The account is outside India, which requires currency conversion etc. If I choose the mail option, lot of money will be wasted on courier and Bank charges. What I need is a local remittance facility account in India. Thanks for the reply.

Offline Editor
Anyone know of an offline edit program, akin to 'Frontpage' for Wiki software? So one could edit or create an article, and save it on their side(though still seeing the all the various wikimarkup), and upload when there is internet access(or when the article is suitable to be uploaded.) - Dureo (talk) 09:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You could use the latest version of OpenOffice, which will allow you to create a page as a document, then export it in MediaWiki markup. :-)  Stwalkerster  talk 11:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Openoffice will show the markup, markedup? As in bold italics formating and such. If so I may have to download it, I usually use Word '07 - Dureo (talk) 11:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Just copy/paste the text in the edit box to any text editor, then save the text/word/whatever file to your computer. The edit box has all the markup. But make sure that when you paste it back into the article, you account for any changes other people have made to it since then. Pyrospirit  ( talk  ·  contribs ) 16:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Wiki on a stick to the rescue, some other options here also, thanks to the editor that asked the muchly similar question at the refdesk. - Dureo 07:17, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

NH Avalanche Hockey
Hello,

Last week I submitted an artile about my local hockey club, but I do not see it in the search. How can I find out where the article went? It was titled "NH Avalanche Hockey".

Thanks, Frank —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.196.54.199 (talk) 12:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Your request to create the article has been declined. See here to know why. -Yamanbaiia (talk) 12:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Using for α in paragraphs
Is there any reason to prefer $$\alpha \,$$ ( $$\alpha \,$$ ) in mathematical or physics articles, rather than $$\alpha$$ ( $$\alpha$$ ) or even the single greek character α? I'm thinking of the Fine-structure constant article, which has many instances of $$\alpha \,$$ ( $$\alpha \,$$ ) in paragraphs, and I can't copy the text in my browser since it renders as PNG. — PhilHibbs | talk 12:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It sometimes is more appropriate, I guess. The parser can render text in math tags quite poorly, sometimes.  As for the character, not all browsers support it by default.  x42bn6 Talk Mess  13:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Create pages in other language
How can I translate an existing page to another language?(eg-Malayalam)do i have to install a specific font?--Abhishekjacob (talk) 13:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.7.158 (talk) 12:43, 26 November 2007 (UTC) 59.93.7.158 (talk) 12:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Some might, for example, Chinese on Linux may need a font installed. Do you have any more information, such as the specific language, your browser and operating system?  x42bn6 Talk Mess  13:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

im using windows xp and windows internet explorer. and the language i want is malayalam --Abhishekjacob (talk) 15:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * One way to test your font support is to visit the Malayalam Wikipedia. If it displays OK, then you probably have the font(s) you need.
 * But while a font may be necessary to display another language, it doesn’t perform any translation. You need a source of content in that language. Perhaps Malayalam Wikipedia is what you want; it contains articles written in Malayalam or already translated from other languages. If you want to translate other articles, perhaps someone could refer you to a translation service. --teb728 t c 19:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Upload picture
How can i upload a picture frn my computer to a page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.7.158 (talk) 12:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * See Image use policy, Image copyright tags, Picture tutorial, Uploading images, Media copyright questions, and Preparing images for upload for assistance. Cheers, Ariel ♥ Gold  12:51, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, only registered user may upload pictures. VivioFa teFan   (Talk, Sandbox) 07:03, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Charles Bent (chess) new page.
I started the new page "Charles Bent (chess)" mainly to avoid ambiguity with Charles Bent who was a civil war general. I gave a reference but it doesn't show at the page bottom. I need help to categorize the article: I read the guidelines but really did not understand how to do it. The cathegories should be chess / endgame study / english chess-related people. Thank you, --Gabodon (talk) 13:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The categories Category:Endgame study and Category: English chess-related people do not exist. What are the exact categories?  There are similar categories already put in.  x42bn6 Talk Mess  13:34, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I added those categories after it was requested here. I also added the reflist tag. Woodym555 (talk) 16:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * He already has an article at C. M. Bent. They must be merged. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have merged them. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Links and piping
The usual way to display text differing from the name of a linked article is to pipe it e.g. capital of Italy. A way of stopping short or even extracting part of the link's name to be the text shown could be useful. It so happens that Piped link uses as an example "Railway station" which were the words causing me to wish for a way of using only part of the link as text. In List of London railway stations most of maybe 300 stations were linked like this Balham railway station and so each entry in the table was excessively repetitive and deep. I cleaned up the article and changed the links to be like this Balham. The untidiness of the displayed page has been moved by much copying and pasting to the text of the article. Help:Pipe trick seems not to cover the matter.--SilasW (talk) 14:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Whenever there is repetition one could use a little template, in this case e.g. containing


 * railway station
 * 
 * 

or a more general |


 * Patrick (talk) 14:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Help on Something to Sing about Page!!!
I need some help. When I check back on Something To Sing About page, someone added the notability. What can I do?Bamgermany2000 (talk) 14:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi, you may read Notability (films) and try adding the evidence of notability to the article. PeaceNT (talk) 15:01, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Log in problems
Several years ago I submitted an article titled Risdon Beazley, the article was subsequently deleted by someone as he said that the material had been taken from a website; the website was (and is) mine.

I have tried to log in to resubmit the article, but cannot, I think it may be because I still have an account under the account name Roy Martin or RoyVMartin. I have previously requested a new passport but none has arrived, this may be because I changed my ISP about two years ago and the new password has been sent to the old address.

Can you plaese assist?

Roy Martin

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.92.241 (talk) 16:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It appears you were Special:Contributions/RoyVMartin. If you cannot remember your password, and you no longer have access to the email address you used for that account, I'm afraid there is no way for you to regain access to the old account. Your best bet is to simple create a new account, and edit with that one. --barneca (talk) 16:30, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Websites are copyrighted unless otherwise stated. See Donating copyrighted materials if you want to create an article again. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

What qualifies as a current sports-related event?
Given his current performance (he has the potential to set several NFL records this season), would the page on Tom Brady qualify? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stismail (talk • contribs) 17:06, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say so, make sure to use references if you make any claims in the article. &mdash; Rudget contributions 21:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Email Confirmation
I am unable to have Wikipedia send me an email confirmation message. I put my email address (carefully checking it for correct spelling and format) in my Preferences and have used the Confirmation procedure several times, but have not received a confirmation code. Any suggestions how to resolve this? Thanks. DonFB (talk) 17:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Could your spam filter be blocking messages from Wikipedia? --barneca (talk) 18:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I use Mailwasher, which lets me see the subject line, sender, etc. of every message, even those marked as spam. I can change any to 'friend' when necessary. DonFB (talk) 20:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC) I used a Hotmail address and received a Confirmation message instantly. My earlier attempts gave my prodigy.net email address. It appears the Wikipedia software simply will not send an email to the prodigy domain, even though I successfully receive tons of spam at that address. DonFB (talk) 03:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

can not log in
As of Monday morning, I can not seem to log on under bgbrwnteddybear. I did report a scam over the weekend and I hope that the lack of signing on is because of this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.130.5 (talk) 19:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * What happens when you try? Are you sure you've remembered your username and password correctly? Do you have Caps Lock on by mistake? Are you even on the right website? There isn't a User:Bgbrwnteddybear on the English Wikipedia (the first letter of a username is case-insensitive); maybe you registered on a different language version of Wikipedia, or a different project, or even a different website altogether? --ais523 19:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Article Submission
We live in the Aboite area and would like to submit a 50th wedding anniversary announcement. How do I go about it?

Thank You, Rd Neumann
 * First of all, congratulations on your 50th wedding anniversary! May you and your spouse have many more happy years together! Second, as for your question, Wikipedia is really not the appropriate place. You may want to see this, on What Wikipedia is not. If you would like to create an account, we would most definitely appreciate your contributions. However, I would suggest contacting your local newspaper about announcements such as these; the Wikipedia Reference Desk may be able to help you more in this matter. Good luck, and happy anniversary! Regards, Neran e i   (talk)  20:58, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

IP user vandalism
This user has vandalized my talk page after I warned him for vandalizing articles. What do we do to help block someone fast who is obviously not trying to edit Wikipedia constructively? --Endless Dan 21:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If the user has had a final warning, then report them to WP:AIV :-)  Stwalkerster  talk 21:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I will bookmark that on my user page. The user has now been blocked. --Endless Dan 21:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

question regarding use of publicity photo
I am a bit confused. The new instructions about the use of photos seem to say two different things. The old photo was removed and replaced with a blank that says "Do you own one?" Then when you click on it, it says you have to be the copyright owner. These two sentences do not mean the same thing. I own a copy of a publicity photo of Bruce Payne that I obtained from Rising Star Galleries via EBay. I had always thought that such photos came with implicit permission to use them for reviews, articles or other legitimate purposes. So which is it? May we use this photo or not? [Do I have to produce the receipt? I certainly can. ] If not, don't you think this rule is going a bit too far? This is not a screenshot, after all.

Ariel23 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 21:17, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The sale of such photos does not constitute any kind of waiver of the copyright holder's rights. You own the physical picture, but no grant of reproduction rights accompanies such a purchase. -- Orange Mike  |  Talk  21:27, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * The point of asking whether you own the copyright is because of Wikipedia's strict fair use policy, which essentially prevents the use of images that are copyrighted where a freely licensed version may be available - such as in the case of a photo of a living person. If you own the copyright to a photo, you can release it under a free license. Confusing Manifestation (Say hi!) 21:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

"Proposed" Wikis.
I came across an extensive list of "proposed wikis" last week. I can't seem to locate it through searching or the browser's history.

Can someone please point me in the right directory to this page?

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.9.230 (talk) 21:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You may have been looking for this? &mdash; Rudget contributions 21:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

The link wasn't exactly what I was looking for, the page contained a list of 'proposed' wiki sites that would be included in future wikipedia 'umbrella'. Most of the proposed site where in the format wikisome word. Some of the words included Wikitimescale, Wikicurrency, Wikistamps, Wikihow, Wikireceipe, Wikimaps off hand. Some of the wikis proposed have developed external test sites to 'prove' that this might be a suitable wikipedia in the future.

Thanks in advance.
 * Are you sure they were called proposed wikis? WikiHow and the WikiCookbook are external project exactly because they don't fit the sort of things Wikipedia deals with. From your use of the term umbrella, you might be mixing up the terms Wikipedia and Wikimedia. The Cookbook is at WikiBooks. - Mgm|(talk) 22:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess you saw http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Proposed_projects or http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_projects. The proposals are not for other "Wikipedias" but for other wikis. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia based on the wiki model. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks the http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Proposed_projects was exactly the page I couldn't find. Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.9.230 (talk) 23:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If it matters, a wiki called wikiHow already exists, and not just as a test site, but a real wiki. See WikiIndex for a list of several thousand wikis (the vast majority of which are not part of the Wikimedia Foundation that runs Wikipedia). Before you propose a new wiki, you should check on WikiIndex to see if such a wiki already exists. If you want to start your own wiki, see Wiki Science/How to start a wiki. --Teratornis (talk) 22:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Fact tag disappearance
In Comcast lead paragraph, one of the fact tags has suddenly disappeared. Could anyone look into it? --Kushalt 21:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * ✅ - An I.P removed it. &mdash; Rudget contributions 21:38, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. The fact that you left the factbox untouched (from as I discovered later) makes it even more unbelievable. On a lighter note, have you ever considered changing your username to The Flash? lol Thanks once again. --Kushalt 21:44, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It's okay. Why would I do that? :) &mdash; Rudget contributions 21:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I just thought about The Flash because of your swift diagnosis and correction of the problem. I would like to add that it was supposed to be a compliment, in case you don't like The flash. --Kushalt 21:53, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That's made me laugh! I mean actually laugh. WP:BARN here we come! &mdash; Rudget contributions 21:56, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I inserted the name in reverse how do I fix?
I started an article about Lewis Preston, who is an assistant basketball coach for the Florida Gators. The problem is that I inserted Preston Lewis as his name. His correct name is Lewis Preston. How do I correct this in the title. Sircez (talk) 22:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Done by GDonato. For future reference, you can use the "move" tab at the top of each page. However, this only appears when your user account is 4 days old. -- Kateshort  forbob  23:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Soliciting a topic
I wonder if there should be a link in the main page of Wikipedia about soliciting a topic to be covered in the Wikipedia. Sometimes (although rarely) I search for something and I don't find any article about it (even after looking for spelling, alternative names, and disambiguation). Maybe people would like seeing the list of subjects and maybe even we could add the simplicity of starting an article on the subject just by clicking the link of the asked for subject, or just link to other article that already covers the information.

An example might be "Garolite". It is surprisingly nobody has written on the popular plastic (as of 11/26/07). I see an article on phenolics but no mention of Garolite, so I am not sure the relationship.

Thank you.

CHC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.174.163.37 (talk) 22:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You can request the article be created at Requested articles, or you can go a step further and write the article yourself and then post it at Articles for creation. N F 24 (radio me!) 23:04, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Instant deletion
I recently submitted a entry for the Front Range Bible Institute in Colorado Springs, Colorado that was instantly deleted for a copyright violation. I can not understand what copyright violation occured.

here is the entry I made:

Front Range Bible Institute

(copyrighted material removed) -Arch dude (talk) 11:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I do not see any copyright violations... could you help me figure out what I did wrong if anything. I read the submittla guidlines and I can not see any problems —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kdfromhb (talk • contribs) 23:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Copying and pasting from a website is strictly disallowed. Please write an article in your own words. N F 24 (radio me!) 23:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's the deal: According to International copyright law (and US law since about 1987) almost everything is copyrighted by default, even if it is not marked. The copyright expires after a very long time: almost anything published before 1923 is no longer copyrighted. This means that the web page from which you took the information is copyrighted. If you are the original author of the web page then you own the copyright unless you created it while working for someone like the Bible Institute, in which case the copyright belongs to them. In either case the copyright owner (you or they) may grant a license: for example, you may add the following to the web site at the institute: "copyright(C) the institute, all rights reserved. Hereby licensed under the GFDL." with a link to the GFDL.  after the owner grants this license, ou my copy the information into a Wikipedia article and cite the permission. -Arch dude (talk) 11:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

how doyou makea new article about a current event
i want to make a article about a new multi million dollar school in my area. its the richest highschool in marlyand andi want to be the first to report on it. help....?... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gunz\ijji (talk • contribs) 23:09, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Your first article will be of interest of you. Search first to make sure the article isn't already there; high schools are already well-covered. <font color="#FF0000">N <font color="#0000FF">F <font color="#808000">24 (radio me!) 23:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Sakis Rouvas article
Dear Ms/Mr,

There was a good article abot Sakis Rouvas not so long ago. But now I wanted to read it again, and I realized, it is re-edited.It is just a short, "it says almost nothing"... Is it it possible, to read the whole article? Besides as I see all the articles are changed. I tell the truth, I do not like it at all. Your website was my favourite info site, but now it is terrible. Can you replace the original article? Or it will be stay the same? Or could you send me via e-mail? Or is there any possibility to reach the old edition?

Thank you for your help.

tomypety —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomypety (talk • contribs) 23:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like a vandal got at the article. I've reverted to the last good version. It appears that the article was previously deleted because it was a copyright violation. Is that the "good article" you were talking about? <font color="#FF0000">N <font color="#0000FF">F <font color="#808000">24 (radio me!) 23:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * You can see old versions of Sakis Rouvas by clicking the "history" tab at the top, but there is no longer version. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Could you have mixed up Sakis Rouvas and Sakis Rouvas discography? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't have access but it actually appears there has been longer Sakis Rouvas versions which were deleted from the article history, maybe because they violated Biographies of living persons. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:00, 27 November 2007 (UTC)