Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 October 20

= October 20 =

Unable to edit entire article only sections.
For example I can not revert this vandalism. The edit request is simply ignored without error message: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Intel_Corporation&curid=14617&diff=165746222&oldid=165122858 Alatari 01:05, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. Rebooting my machine seems to have fixed the problem.  Very odd. Alatari 01:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

A category shows on the page, but not in "edit this page", so I can't find it to delete it
Hello, A category appears twice on a page and I'd like to remove the one which is a mistake -- a capitalized one does not link. But when I go to "edit this page", the incorrect category doesn't show up. Where is it? Page in question: Allen Kurzweil. I just want to erase it. Thank you, Alex Dunwoodie 01:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed it. It is under "edit this page" but for some reason it was at the very top of the page.  There are some cats on the top and some on the bottom.  I don't know why. - Rjd0060 01:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It appears someone added the categories twice, to the top of the page, and to the bottom. Categories always go at the very bottom, so thanks to Rjd for fixing it. Ariel ♥ Gold 01:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) ✅, an editor decided to add the categories at the top and the bottom - and Rjd hadn't removed all of them when I got to it. That would be your problem. NA SC AR Fan24 (radio me!) 01:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I went back to do it, but got the edit conflict. Thanks. - Rjd0060 01:52, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

wikimapia
hi

how often do you update the map in wikimapia?

regards

Immanuel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.241.128.145 (talk) 02:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi. A wiki is a site that uses wiki software as its operating platform. There are thousands of them. Wikipedia is the free encyclopedia that is run by the Wikimedia foundation, and undoubtedly the best known wiki in the world. There are sister projects such as Wiktionary (a free dictionary) and others (full list). For the answer to your question, thus, your best bet may be to ask at wikimapia, which is completely unaffiliated with Wikipedia. Alternatively, you could ask your question at the Reference Desk/Miscellaneous, as they strive there to answer questions about anything (this page is for questions about using Wikipedia)--Fuhghettaboutit 08:54, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

why was a page about an artist and the albums released deleted before it was even completed
why was a page about an artist and the albums released deleted before it was even completed? There was no advertising, just facts about a highly acclaimed artist with tons of press - i.e verifiable information. biographical article that does not assert significance. This article was written in the same manner as a fellow artist using the same topic headings and style and similar relevance - why then was this deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cosy jo (talk • contribs) 03:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

See WP:MUSIC Jbeach sup 03:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Peppercorn (artist) has been restored by the deleting admin.--Fuhghettaboutit 08:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Language bots
Hi, I see various bots coming along all the time linking to articles in other languages. How do these bots know which article corresponds to another article in that language? Jeff Dahl (Talk • contribs) 04:34, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You could ask the operator of one of the bots, they would know best. It's also possible that someone populates a list and then the bot just does all the actual work. Leebo  T / C 04:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Bob Newman
OK, so this question has a quick part, and a long explanation.

I'm trying to add an article for "Bob Newman" who was a singer/comedian in the 1950s. There is already an article with the name Bob Newman, but for the wrong person. There is no reference to this Bob Newman being known as Robert Newman, where there is already a disambiguation page. There isn't a lot of other information available, so I can't add a middle name or anything like that. Can you help? What should I do?

Basically, I was updating the article Hee Haw, and discussing the song "Phfft! You Were Gone." This was originally written by Susan Heather in 1952, but Bob Newman did a parody on an album in 1959, and later it was sung on albums by Archie Campbell in 1966, and Buck Owens in 1972. So I wanted to add an article on Bob Newman, who was a member of the Georgia Crackers group. I did add an article for Georgia Crackers, but I would like to link both these articles to a page with the correct Bob Newman, but I can't, since the page already exists for someone else.

Anyway, thanks for any assistance you might be able to render...

Jack —Preceding unsigned comment added by JackTinWNY (talk • contribs) 06:07, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Create the article under a name like Bob Newman (comedian), use the parentheses to distinguish him from the existing people by the same name and use either a notice at the top of the article to point to the alternative, or use a disambiguation page. SeeDisambiguation. - Mgm|(talk) 11:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Link
How do we link a page to Wikipedia from Google or Yahoo? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.29.197.142 (talk) 10:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You don't. Search engines index pages using Webcrawlers. All you have to do is wait. -Mgm|(talk) 11:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The answer assumed you want a Wikipedia page to appear in search results at Google or Yahoo. If you meant something else then please clarify what. PrimeHunter 16:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Article for deletion
I nominated an article for deletion because it contained a bunch of garbage. However, the editors of that article seem to like it even though it is crap and makes no sense. However, they are upset and I feel bad for them. Can I withdraw an AFD request? Pilotbob 12:21, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You can, just close it (you remove a template; directions are on the AfD page for your article [as in Articles for deletion/article itself if you click edit) normally. Note that you can't withdraw it if there's already a consensus forming. The max is 1 or 2 votes. NA SC AR Fan24 (radio me!) 12:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I might be wrong, but it looks like someone else made the request. You can't withdraw someone else's nomination, only your response. Unfortunately, doing so would go against established policy. There's nothing wrong with compassion, but don't let it cloud your judgement. - Mgm|(talk) 14:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I've userfied the page to the userspace of its original creator for further tweaking. - Mgm|(talk) 14:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Which nomination are you referring to? Mgm apparently thought it was Articles for deletion/Bruce Burritt but you edited that after posting here. If you mean Articles for deletion/Fancruft, does not have any real world context then the page name is wrong. If you don't withdraw then the page should be moved. PrimeHunter 16:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No I'm talking about the [Clan (Warriors article. Its just a bunch of nonsense from the book series and I didn't think anyone would really care if it was deleted.  I was trying to get some of the crap off wikipedia.  But they seem to like it for whatever stupid reason so I figured if I could cancel the request maybe I would. Pilotbob 18:53, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Clan (Warriors) has several deletes so you cannot stop the debate now. But you can post that you change to neutral or keep. Otherwise the closer will assume you support delete. PrimeHunter 22:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats OK, I don't feel bad for them anymore because they are mean and called me an asshole. Pilotbob 01:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
 * They called you an ass, which is not quite so bad. --JeremyStein 17:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Correction of heading on new Editing Page
I am a "silver surfer" new to Wikipedia. How can I correct an error in the heading of a new Editing page I am trying to create? Specifically, repetition of the word "Editing" in the heading. Can you help?

Many thanks in anticipation!

Hawkhill46 13:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What page are you trying to create? If it's got "Editing" in its title, there's your problem (it will say "Editing Editing..."). NA SC <font color="#00F">AR Fan<font color="#BB0">24 (radio me!) 13:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I have a question...
...regarding the unblock template. Once you get rejected from the first unblock template it says "This unblock request continues to be visible. Do not replace this message with another unblock request or add another unblock request", but the problem is that you are no longer in the "Requests for unblock" category. So what happens if you either genuinely disagree with the reason given by the rejecting admin (as they're human it's expected they'll make mistakes) or if something changes which affects your block (new evidence arising or whatever)? You can hardly go and post on ANI about it, and if you post another unblock request they'll protect your userpage, so what happens if you feel the need to ask for your block to be considered another time and no admin is watching your page? 124.176.96.67 13:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Contact the unblocking mailing list. - Mgm|(talk) 14:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Correction of heading on new Editing Page
Thank you NASCARFan24 for your help. I should have realised that myself. So the next question is; how do I delete "Editing" from the Heading?

Can you help?

Thanks!

Hawkhill46 14:12, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You can't. It's part of the MediaWiki software. Unless you are talking about the title of the page, in which case you can click "move" at the top of the page (if your account is at least 4 days old) and move the page to a new title. If you can't move it, (i.e. you're too new or the page is move-protected) you may want to look into posting at requested moves. <font color="#F00">NA <font color="#800080">SC <font color="#00F">AR Fan<font color="#BB0">24 (radio me!) 14:16, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You could try it with a userscript (WP:US), but I have no idea why you'd want to. There is nothing to correct as it's not 'wrong' to begin with. - Mgm|(talk) 14:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * "Editing" isn't actually a part of the title, it just displays that way to let you know that you're editing the page, for instance "Editing Wikipedia:Help desk" when the actual title of the page is just "Wikipedia:Help desk". If it really bothers you I'm sure there's some clever javascript hack that could remove it for you. -- VectorPotential Talk 16:22, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) Maybe the problem is that you didn't click "Save page". That saves the page so others can see it. Before you have saved, the window always says "Editing" to show that you are in the process of editing the page. It's the same when you edit this help desk. PrimeHunter 16:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Reasons for Deletions....
Uhhh.... is there a way where I can see why an article was deleted? Chanceeastham 14:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chanceeastham (talk • contribs) 14:28, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Type the name of the article in the box that says "Title", here. - Rjd0060 14:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * See also Why was my page deleted. PrimeHunter 16:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

finding Atlantic Plain maps?
finding Atlantic Plain maps? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.155.192.187 (talk) 14:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You may want to try the reference desk; the Help Desk is for questions about working Wikipedia. Ne<font color= "#03C03C">ra<font color= "#32CD32">n e i   (talk) 15:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * See: Abyssal plain; it just has a bunch of red links, but you could try Google Search on the one(s) you want, using the Google images template. For example: finds some oceanographic maps. --Teratornis 01:12, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

creating citations?
I want to put in citations to reference a recent re-loaded article- but can't quite figure out how to use the format. Little help?15:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by PatrickPHawk (talk • contribs)
 * Put your website inside . It will automatically create that little number and put it in the References section. If there is no references section, put the following code at the bottom:

searching a document for a term
I was looking for a reference to "cosmic year" on the first page of the mysticism article, but I couldn't figure out how to search the document for the term "cosmic year". When I went to the side of the article and typed in the term cosmic year, it caused the whole system to go into a major search mode and just kicked me out of the document I was looking at and sent me back to the list I had used to find that mysticism article in the first place. Once I get to your article, how do I search that document for the term "cosmic year" that I want to locate? Mooredelira 16:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC) Sincerely, Richard Moore
 * There are several ways to go about this - as I'm only familiar with Windows, I'm hoping you're using that. Hold Ctrl and press F - this should bring up something that searches the page in almost all browsers. <font color="#F00">NA <font color="#800080">SC <font color="#00F">AR Fan<font color="#BB0">24 (radio me!) 16:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * To make this clear: Wikipedia does not provide a "search within page" function, because this function is better performed by you web browser. The Wikipedia server sent th ewhole page to your computer, and the web browser is displaying it to you. therefore, you can tell the web browser on your computer to search the page locally. IF you are using Windows IE (Internet Explorer) or most other web browsers, you tell the browser to perform this local search by using the <ctrl-f> key as NASCAR FAN said, or through the menus (probably edit-->search in page.) -Arch dude 00:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

User_talk:77.97.86.12
Is there anyone here that can answer the anons question with a specific policy/guideline?-- VectorPotential Talk 16:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Replied. Generally, we don't link to off-site images due to copyright concerns. WP:EL would be the most relevant policy. Freely available images are prefered. That said, while images are considered less reliable than text sources, they could be used in certain situations. -- Kesh 17:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I considered citing WP:EL, but since I couldn't find a section that specifically referred to using images as references, I declined to do so, and came here instead.-- VectorPotential Talk 17:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Right. There's no specific policy, just a general consensus I've seen in discussions. Hrm. This might make a good WP:ESSAY when I get some free time... -- Kesh 17:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Log in for several language Wikipedia
Do I have to create a separate account for each Language Wikipedia I wish to participate to?

--Henri 17:54, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Right now, yes, you must register a seperate account for each language edition. The MediaWiki developers are working on a system to allow users to use a single account for multiple editions, however. <font color="#275CA9">Nihiltres ( <font color="#000">t .l ) 18:05, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats cool. Nihiltres, do you have any doc's about that? - Rjd0060 18:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes. <font color="#F00">NA <font color="#800080">SC <font color="#00F">AR Fan<font color="#BB0">24 (radio me!) 18:05, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * See: WP:EIW, scroll down to the subheading: "Single signon (single login):" and peruse the multiple links. --Teratornis 18:21, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Entering references
I have entered two references in my article "Lewis Page Mercier". Whilc the numbers of the references appear in the text, clicking on them does not reveal the reference. I could not find any instructions in all the help pages on how to insert references. I used the tag. Maybe this is only for internet references, is there another tag for text references? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nwolcott (talk • contribs) 18:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You forgot to add the to the bottom of the page.  I've taken care of it for you, and its working fine. - Rjd0060 18:40, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Whew, it took me a few tries to clean up the disappearing-text problem that resulted from the tag in the question. When you need to type something like that, be sure to wrap it  tags like this:   . For more information about references, see: WP:FOOT, WP:CITE, WP:CITET, and Reflist. --Teratornis 18:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I actually fixed it here. I prefer to use nowiki but I know tl works on some templates. Just a personal preference. -Rjd0060 18:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

How to enter references
I could not find any info on entering references. I entered a couple of references using the ref tag byt the numbers appeared but the reference did not. Mavbe the ref tag is only for internet references. Is there another tag for text references? Thanks your editor said there were no references in the articls but provided scant help on how to do it. the page is Lewis Page Mercier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nwolcott (talk • contribs) 19:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This question has been answered immediately above. - Rjd0060 19:05, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Redirect query
I am starting to build on a reference to a band in an existing Wiki entry. A link had been created, calling the band the Damn Dirty Apes project, when in fact the band is called Damn Dirty Apes. I clicked on the link for damn dirty apes project and created the basic information page which I will be building on, however the band simply doesn't have the word project in it. I searched for Damn Dirty Apes, expecting to be led either to other pertinant information or a blank page to edit but instead I received a redirect to a major page, Planet of the Apes. I don't want to mess with that page, but would be incorrect if I left the band referred to as a Project when it is not. How do I create a Damn Dirty Apes page in this situation please?

regards Deborah —Preceding unsigned comment added by DebRitchie (talk • contribs) 19:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The article has already been moved to Damn Dirty Apes (band). However, it has been tagged with notability concerns and may need revision to meet the guidelines at WP:MUSIC. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:05, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Changing an image
How do I change the image within template peerage-work-group which shows the wrong coronet? - Kittybrewster <font color="0000FF">&#9742;  19:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If you are talking about Template:WPBiography, only administrators can edit it because it is protected. You can request an edit Here.  But I don't know if that is what you are talking about or not. - Rjd0060 19:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

A-class review
Where does one ask for A-class reviews for all Category:GA-Class Chicago articles?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:33, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Those reviews would be conducted by your WikiProject - there's no official review system for A-, B-, Start-, or Stub- classes. You might want to consider sending them to peer review, but they're not going to assign it a particular class level. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 21:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You should look at the discussion page of the articles. The projects mentioned there will do the reviews. In case of doubt the WikiProject Chicago should be the right address. --Thw1309 21:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I have seen the Version 1.0 Editorial Team A-class ratings on several talk pages. Can I ask them to look at our articles?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:52, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

How to make new page
Hello i am new to this.I am trying to make a new page to fill out my autopighray for Runescape wrestling.How do i do that —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerxlr (talk • contribs) 19:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There is a link on the top of this page that describes how to make new pages. But I have no idea what an autopighray is. If you're talking about some sort of profile about yourself, you shouldn't. That is not within the scope of Wikipedia as it's not encyclopedic. - Mgm|(talk) 20:01, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * You have made a user page at User:Tigerxlr. Considering the spelling there, I guess "autopighray" is supposed to be autobiography. We have policies against that. See Conflict of interest, Autobiography, Notability. Don't create an article about yourself. There is more freedom for user pages but yours is at risk of being deleted. PrimeHunter 22:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

password
My password does not work. checked send email password. It says it did, but nothing came through. jrhmdtraum — Preceding comment signed as by jrhmdtraum (talk· contribs) actually added by 24.159.34.136 (talk·contribs)
 * Unfortunately there isn't really anything you can do here as there's no way to definitively tell if you really are who you say you are. <font color="#F00">NA <font color="#800080">SC <font color="#00F">AR Fan<font color="#BB0">24 (radio me!) 19:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Most people with this issue suffer from overactive spam filters. What is your email provider? - Mgm|(talk) 19:59, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Need Help--Lost
I have spent the last hour reading instructions--still lost...must be me. I wanted to comment on an article I've read here. Can't seem to be able to. Could you please help me walk through this??? Thank You for any help you can provide. I'm not even sure how to submit this so that I can get an answer...hope this works!! MLBMarielbecker 19:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If you have a problem with the article, then leave a note on its talkpage (click "discussion" at the top of the article). There's no way to directly comment on the article itself. <font color="#F00">NA <font color="#800080">SC <font color="#00F">AR Fan<font color="#BB0">24 (radio me!) 19:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * If you wish to comment and discuss an article, you should do so on its talkpage. Look at the row of tabs at the top of the article page. The one to the left should say article (or if you look at this one, it is project page). The tab next to it says talkpage. Click on that, then click on the + icon next to the edit this page tab to start a new discussion topic. Type your comment, and then see who replies! Hope that helps! With regards, <span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans-serif"> Lra drama 19:57, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What is the article? A very few articles have protected talk pages which only administrators can edit. If the article doesn't have a talk page now then just create it. PrimeHunter 22:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Image conversion
How does one convert an image.png to image.svg ? - Kittybrewster <font color="0000FF">&#9742;  22:22, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * One is a raster image, while the second is a vector image. I don't think immediate conversion is possible. - Mgm|(talk) 08:39, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Hide boxes
First of sorry if this is in the wrong section but anyway

What do i need to do to make my userboxes hidden when you open the page and then just have to hit show to see them? ForeverDEAD 22:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There's the hidden template; but there's probably easier ways --h2g2bob (talk) 22:52, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * See Userboxes. PrimeHunter 23:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)