Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 September 9

= September 9 =

SNL Celebrity Jeopardy
I recently encountered the page for SNL Celebrity Jeopardy while going through wikipedia. I noticed that there is a section that lists the episodes and the name of each character in portrayed in them. Missing was 'Turd Fergusson,' an assumed name used as a gag by Burt Reynolds in one of the episodes. This name should of course be noted parenthetically. So, I made the edit and found an admin warning directing me to the talk page.

The talk page, in large part, consists of numerous users arguing with the admin about this issue. They want the Turd Fergusson edit, he doesn't. They have made the Turd Fergusson eidt, he has deleted it.

Throughout the talk section, he fails to produce a logical reason why this information should not be included in the episodes section. His main talking-point for me has been that the name was mentioned 'only' four times in the episode, and that other gags are mentioned more frequently in the series. This entirely misses my point. Since the 'episodes' section lists the characters' names it should also, parenthetically, list this assumed name. So what if they did a different sort of gag more times, those gags don't concern the characters' name and hence, if listed, would not be listed under 'episodes.'

I believe this admin (Croc) is opposing the user consensus and vandalizing the page he is ostensibly supposed to admin. As such, I would like him reprimanded and/or removed by the real wikipedia administration. I would like the REAL wikipedia editors to review the article and talk pages. I have posted links below for your convenience:


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity_Jeopardy%21_%28Saturday_Night_Live%29#Episodes
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Celebrity_Jeopardy%21_%28Saturday_Night_Live%29 - in particular note item # 19.

For the moment he has kept the 'Turd Fergusson' edit pending further discussion. However, he has sent me a threatening message claiming that I am engaged in an aggressive 'edit war.' I reject that idea since I hold that he is vandalizing the page by reverting my edit. 141.166.224.83 14:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I request that wikipedia review this discussion to resolve the issue. 141.166.227.172 03:19, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Your best bet is to follow our dispute resolution process. -- Kesh 23:27, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Question
Am i allowed to remove vandalism warnings, copyright image notices, etc, from my user talk page? User:Yamakiri user has threatened to permanently protect my user talk page so that i cant edit it. Can i remove copyright image notices at least? i hope you see this soon. thx Modelun88 00:23, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Getting of tired of going behind him... Anyways, he's removed block notices, and I'm not an admin so I just requested that his page be protected and that he get a block. P.S. he's copied and pasted this on quite a few pages now.Yamakiri 00:41, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not against policy to remove warnings from ones own talk page. While archiving is preferred, removing such notices is permitted. &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 00:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Users are allowed to remove warnings, please see User page. On the other hand, users are not allowed to make threats, please see Talk page guidelines.  -- Rick Block (talk) 00:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I do not beleive that was a threat, I said that I was going to report him and get a RPP on his talk. Anyways it's been sorted out now. Since I couldn't do that how is it a threat? Yamakiri 21:18, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Userbox
How do you make userboxes?Kitty53 00:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:Userboxes should tell you all you need to know about making userboxes. AngelOfSadness  talk  00:46, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to report an article.
I want to report an article as being false and kindly request that it be removed. The Satanic Ritual Abuse article ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_abuse ) is fueled by far fetched propaganda. In actuality, Satanists are essentially atheists with more structure and Darwinistic values. Rituals are viewed purely as psychodrama - a way for one to stimulate the mind and achieve a desired effect catered to the individual. No magic, no blood, no cannibalism, no sexual abuse and so on and so forth. They are rarely performed in a group, only when the number of people have the same interest. There is no real purpose to ritual, it is meant to be a fun activity with no harm done to anyone. My information comes from my own relations with Satanists, not my personal beliefs. My motivation to request that you remove this article is that it is perpetuating a skewed view of Satanism and furthering the lies promoted by such propaganda. Those who actually wish to research Satanism are often deterred by articles like this one because of the lies it promotes. Satanism is so feared because of the insultingly vast amount of articles like this one. Please do me, and the Satanists who may have been appalled by that text this service and remove that article. Thank you for your time.

I would appreciate an email with your decision. My email address is as follows: [email removed]

-Morgana —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fmb426 (talk • contribs) 00:52, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * As long as an article has references and is notable it has a right to be on Wikipedia, at the most you could argue that the article doesn't have a neutral point of view (in which case you should post it on the talk page or maybe change it yourself, that is if you don't have a conflict of interest and are up to rewriting it into a neutral article). Also, why should we e-mail a decision when we can answer here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeffrey.Kleykamp (talk • contribs) 01:24, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your suggestion. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the  link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills.  New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to).   :) We do ask that you provide sources for new information and discuss potentially controversial changes on the article's talk page in order to help reach consensus. If an item is sourced with a reliable source and you have an equally reliable source that presents a different view, it is policy to provide balance rather than to choose one. Wikipedia strives for neutrality, which can be hard to achieve if the topic is one about which you feel strongly. And please remember to explain your actions in your edit summaries.:) --Moonriddengirl 01:17, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd be interested in seeing some sources showing the existence of this atheistic satanism movement you speak. As a lifelong atheist, and someone involved in atheist organizations, the only people I have come across who identify atheists as satanists are certain theists. Atheists don't believe in the devil (by definition) and every one I've ever met would have no use whatever for such rituals and trappings you speak of and would shudder at the idea of engaging in mock satanism, which could only serve to verify the ridiculous notion that atheists are satanists; a notion which again, I have only seen suggested by outsiders with an agenda.--Fuhghettaboutit 13:42, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've known some Satanist groups who are essentially just a club that performs "rituals" as a method of rebellion and nihilistic self-fulfillment. It's a variant on LaVeyan Satanism satanism: the emphasis on personal power, wealth and material gain over the needs or wants of others. The anti-Christian trappings are more of a symbolic rebellion against society as a whole than any actual religious belief.
 * As to the article itself, Satanic ritual abuse has been written about in numerous books and soundly debunked. Just like other conspiracy theories, though, it has gained enough notable coverage in the media that it deserves an article, and the one we have is written in a neutral point of view. Wikipedia does not bury unpleasant facts, and the whole "Satanic Panic" is one of those that we shouldn't forget. -- 68.156.149.62 14:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

How do you create a company box
How do you create a company box on the right side of a definition - for example type vmware... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Greg.wyman (talk • contribs) 01:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * See Template:Infobox Company's documentation. Jeffrey.Kleykamp 01:15, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

About edit conflicts
I just responded above, clicked save, then I looked at the text and an entire paragraph from Moonriddengirl was posted beneath mine without an edit conflict even though, according to the history, my edit came later without me writing between posts, why is this? Jeffrey.Kleykamp 01:31, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Most likely, you edited a section rather than trying to edit the whole page. If you do this, you will avoid edit conflicts, unless (a) someone else is editing the same section, (b) someone else is editing the whole page or (c) you are editing the last section, and someone else is adding a new section that will go after it. &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 01:42, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, wait, you mean in the report an article bit section (rather than your edit about company infoboxes). Huh.  I don't know. :) &mdash; Timotab Timothy (not Timdagnabbit!) 01:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Edit conflicts work by paragraphs (blocks of text separated by a blank line). Moonriddengirl added a blank line before her post, thus creating a new paragraph. You have not, thus your post was added to the previous paragraph, and there was no conflict. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 08:12, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Odd formatting in Polydor_Records using Firefox browser
I'm not sure whether this is the right place for this, but there is a weirdness in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydor_Records.

The Company history contains three subsections. Their [edit] links have floated down over the top of the text of the second sub-section (entitled "PolyGram"). This appears to be specific to the Firefox browser (I am using 2.0.0.6) as it looks fine in IE.

Regards, Paul. 124.170.8.233 01:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC) Paul C.
 * I've dispersed the images to appropriate points through the text, and that seems to have fixed it for Firefox. Let's hope it still looks fine in IE. :) --Moonriddengirl 02:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Just checked. It looks perfectly fine in IE. Cheers,  A r k y  ¡Hablar!  03:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Image not thumbnailed correctly
thumb|right|Image thumb|right|100px|Image This image has not thumbnailed correctly. It shows ok when displayed in other sizes as mediawiki makes a new thumbnail, but for the default (180px) it's failed and just shows a white image. Is there any way to get it to show? --h2g2bob (talk) 03:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't have an answer, but since this is a copyrighted image, I've turned the images to links.  Leebo  T / C  04:29, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * On the Flying Spaghetti Monster article I added 1px to 181px it now shows in my browser▪◦▪ ≡ЅiREX≡Talk 06:05, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I purged the page, the image description page, performed a null edit on the image description page, purged the thumbnail, and cleared my cache. Now it works.  This occasionally happens to SVG renderings, though I don't know why.  With thumbnail images it's best to not hack a solution, as people might have their thumbnails configured for more than 180px. --Pekaje 14:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

downlode
how to downlode Pagewise A-Z index automaticali. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.95.130.225 (talk) 06:03, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Your question is too vague for me to understand, but you might find something useful in the following:
 * Syndication
 * WP:DUMP
 * TomeRaider
 * Pushing to 1.0
 * If none of those address your question, please explain what you want. --Teratornis 06:18, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The contents of wikipedia can be found at WP:CONTENTS an a-z index can be found at WP:QI.       DeSalvionjr Talk | Contribs 17:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Missing or deleted article about William F. Draper, painter
William F. Draper (1912-2003), was a prominent painter/portraitist who used to have a page/article in Wikipedia. When I checked it today to find out if new information had been submitted, it was gone - but his grandfather, William F. Draper (General in civil war and ambassador to Italy) remained in Wikipedia.

I wondered if perhaps there was intergenerational confusion that led someone to think there was a duplication, leading to deletion of information about W.F. Draper the artist?

Thanks

69.12.248.247 06:24, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Interestingly, William F. Draper does not appear in the long list of Drapers in Draper (disambiguation), but he does appear in William Draper. I don't know where the article about William F. Draper the artist went (the history for William F. Draper does not show an earlier article revision about the artist), but this Google search finds Draper the artist (unlinked) in the article: Pomfret School. --Teratornis 06:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I checked the deletion log for William F. Draper and William Draper, with no results. --Teratornis 06:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone unlinked William F. Draper in this revision of the Pomfret School article. The editor probably noticed the link went to the wrong William F. Draper at that time. Maybe someone can figure out where the William F. Draper (artist) article went (not knowing the exact article title does not help). --Teratornis 06:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried looking for an old article in the Wayback Machine, with no luck. However, I haven't used the Wayback Machine much, so I might not be searching it correctly. --Teratornis 06:57, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I haven't found sign of an article, but William Franklin Draper painter is requested at Requested articles/Culture and fine arts with a link to . PrimeHunter 22:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have created the article, it can be found at William Franklin Draper. Will add a note to existing William F. Draper article for redirect. Ariel ♥ Gold 23:00, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Great job! For my trivial contribution, I added links between Pomfret School and William Franklin Draper. --Teratornis 03:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

cannot find information
i cannot find any peer reviewed articles on tropical timber logging, does the > site have such peer reviewed articles please? > > richard > —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.233.136 (talk) 08:34, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry nothing specific concerning peer reviewed articles on tropical timber logging but here are some related topic I've found


 * Logging
 * Illegal logging
 * Deforestation
 * Rainforest
 * Amazon_Rainforest ▪◦▪ ≡ЅiREX≡Talk 09:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

User blanking their Talk page
I just noticed a user (Scorpio87) blank their Talk page, which contained a number of warnings and advice about their recent edits. I know that archiving Talk pages is preferred and I could Undo, but since some of those warnings and advices were from me I am very hesitant to Undo it for fear that it would appear I'm targeting and hounding the soul. Plus, is Undoing someone's blanking of their own Talk page the right thing to do anyway? SEO75  [  talk  ] 08:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No it´s not the right thing. An editor has the right to change his userpage or talkpage (within the rules). This does not say, that your warnings now are forgotten. If he blanked the warnings, he shows, that he did read them. They are not forgotten, because the old versions are archived. You are right, archiving is preferred, but blanking is not forbidden. --Thw1309 08:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Just hope that the warnings and advice were read and understood. :)  SEO75  [  talk  ]  08:57, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * When I am reverting vandalism and go to talk pages to warn them. If there are no warnings there, I normally start with a 'Welcome to wikipedia' one. I don't check the history. If they had gotten a final warning, I don't know, so don't report them. I think there should be a more clear way of knowing.... Tiddly - Tom  09:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * My thoughts exactly, which is why I asked my question. SEO75  [  talk  ]  09:34, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * From what I've seen this editor hasn't done anything over the top, some unsourced edits and some newbie mistakes, such as the edit on your user page rather then your talk page here, I didn't see any vandalism on this editors part remember not to bite newcomers :) ▪◦▪ ≡ЅiREX≡Talk 09:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Take that back there was there were a couple such as this joke edit early on that was rather off, but since then the editor mistakes haven't been outrageous▪◦▪ ≡ЅiREX≡Talk 10:03, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * [reset indent] Fortunately, it's pretty easy to determine if a blank discussion page is unused or blanked. :) If it has been blanked, there's a "history" tab and the word "discussion" is blue. If it's legitimately blank, no "history" tab, red word "discussion". More insidious is when they blank some of their messages or replace it with other text. I've run into that a couple of times. --Moonriddengirl 11:31, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

pronouncment
Where do you find help for proper pronouncement of a word ex: Schecter? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.174.235.24 (talk) 10:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This site has an audio pronunciation for Schecter▪◦▪ ≡ЅiREX≡Talk 11:41, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Professional associations and organizations
There doesn't seem to be any Infobox format for scientific or professional organizations, such as the International Association for Plant Taxonomy, the National Council of Teachers of Mathematics. Could an appropriate box format be generated? --EncycloPetey 14:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If existing infoboxes like Infobox Organization are inadequate then you can request help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Infoboxes or Requested templates. PrimeHunter 15:25, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I did not know about that template because it isn't listed at Wikipedia:List_of_infoboxes/Society.  However, it does not really meet the needs for an organization like the IAPT.  Most of the parameters don't apply and the ones that would be useful don't exist. --EncycloPetey 19:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Copying images from Wikipedia
I'm not an expert, but it seems that very recently it's become impossible to copy images from Wikipedia - i.e. right click, select copy and paste to another program. Why, if I'm correct, has this change been made? CTwells 16:12, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I just tried it with some of the images on the main page and it worked (pasted into Paint). What program were you trying to paste into and what browser are you using?  Leebo  T / C  16:17, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the main page seems to work, but any other article - e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_League_of_Cambrai doesn't seem to have the option to copy when I right-click. Yep, I'm using paint, but it won't copy to Word either. It may just be my PC of course, but everything was fine last night CTwells 16:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I had no problem copying that image into Paint.  Leebo  T / C  17:45, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've recently copied a picture from here, from my PC I click the image, click the image in the next screen, highlight the last image, edit, copy, but then I'm forced to paste into word, then paint. Yamakiri 21:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

User login for tonymartin
I submitted a question about my account earlier today. I was incorrect in believing that my account had somehow been disabled.

The error was my own. I am able to login successfully. No further action needed.

Thank you.Tonymartin 16:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

RHE76 Adaptable Modem
Hello,I have a question regarding my RHE76 Adaptable modem in regards to Wikipedia's html display. What make of modem will I need to view Wikipedias pages with proficiancy? Models RHE12-74 wouldnt be suitable nor my current modem. My modem details (in regard to the FTS code) is HDHD746H. Thank You. --Lownneraatzimmereichen 16:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why a different modem would make a difference to the display of webpages (although it might load faster or slower). A modem is simply used to, put simply, send and receive data, and how a webpage is displayed depends on your web browser.  x42bn6 Talk Mess  04:23, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

text appearing in different languages
Hi,

Most of the time when a Wikipedia page loads, portions of the text are in different languges. Is there anything I can do to make al the text appear in English? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goodkarma01 (talk • contribs) 17:14, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * If the page is in the English Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org then it should be in English (except for the box called "in other languages"). Parts not in English should be removed or translated except rare cases (for example if the article discusses other languages). Can you give examples? PrimeHunter 17:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I can. If I copy and paste an article, it is spelled correctly and in english. If I try to take a snapshot of the screen, I cannot paste it here. How can I show you?

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goodkarma01 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Upon closer examination it may not be languages other than English but garbled letters and symbols like quotes, brackets and mixtures of letters that do not make words. Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goodkarma01 (talk • contribs) 18:03, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * By examples I meant links to the pages. It sounds to me like the problem is in your browser, but it could also be that you are viewing vandalized pages. PrimeHunter 18:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

When I open the home page the section "Today's featured article" should say:

"Hey Ya!" is a hip hop song written and produced by André 3000 for his 2003 album The Love Below, part of OutKast's double album Speakerboxxx/The Love Below. The song takes influence from funk and rock music, drawing comparisons to the work of The Beatles.

But my screen shows:

"Hey Ya!" is a hip hop song written and produced by André 3000 for his 2003 album Vjg"Nqxg"Dgnqy, part of OutKast's double album Urgcmgtdqzzz1Vjg"Nqxg"Dgnqy. The song takes influence from funk and rock music, drawing comparisons to the work of The Beatles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goodkarma01 (talk • contribs) 18:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * What browser are you using? HoCkEy PUCK 18:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Safari 2.0.4 running on a powermac with OSX 10.4.10 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goodkarma01 (talk • contribs) 18:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The main page text looks fine for me. The garbled part for you is in italics which your browser can apparently not display with the used font. This sentence is normal. This sentence is in italics. Do you see garbled text after "This sentence is normal"? Can you change font? PrimeHunter 18:56, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I have a secure account but someone called 'ryulong' has indefinitely blocked access
Sir,

I wanted to upload a description of a newly formed sub-group officially sanctioned by the UK Liberal Democrats, called the Liberal Democrat Friends of Palestine.

However, having created an account i then hunted all over the Wikipedia web pages to see how i could contact the adminstrator 'ryulong' who blocked my access, but i can fin no way of contacting them to ask why they have denied me access.

All i want to do is upload an above board, genuine text about us but am blocked form doing so.

Our website if you wish to chekc this is a genuine request is at

www.ldfp.eu

Would someone please explain why I have been blocked and how i can be unblocked so that I can add the information about our organisation to Wikipedia.

Thank you.

account name: patriote —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriote (talk • contribs) 18:27, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Your account User:Patriote was created 27 minutes before making the above post, and it has never been blocked. Liberal Democrat Friends of Palestine has never been created and is not protected against creation. Can you be more specific about what you have tried and what happened? Did it involve another account? PrimeHunter 18:35, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * You can contact the user ryulong here. --Thw1309 18:54, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I would assume that he edited from an IP, and made the post.   Could you tell us if you're editing from the same IP you made the post as? Yamakiri 20:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * WP:NPA. Ryulong is an admin and therefore has proven that he has the support of the community.  If you disagree, there is always the WP:RFAR process.  Corvus cornix 16:33, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

How do I request an article be created?
I would like to request an article (External hard drive; it is currently a redirect) be created. Is there any place to do that? HoCkEy PUCK 18:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * There is an official request page at Requested articles, but that´s no fast way. I would ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computer science--Thw1309 18:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The article exists already, it is just simply named differently. The redirect goes to Disk enclosure which is a comprehensive article about external hard drives. Ariel ♥ Gold 21:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

incorrect link
Hi, I am new to wikipedia. I found a link which is incorrect in the sense, its dedicated to a person adn the name of the person is incorrectly given and hence so is the link. how to correct it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahulsarma (talk • contribs) 18:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Please could you tell us the name of the article and of the link?--Thw1309 18:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The name is "Arun Kumar Sarma". Note there is no "h" at the end as the link suggests.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arun_Kumar_Sarmah

Problems with imagemap
I use the imagemap tag to produce clickable icons in my contents page - ie clicking on the icon should link to the page listed rather than the image tag. However, this has stopped working for most links - though it still works for the To do link. I know it used to work and it hasn't chnaged recently. Has the syntax for imagemap changed, or is there a bug in the system at present? – Tivedshambo (talk) 20:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I checked the page and there don't seem to be any problems. If the problems persist, though, you might want to use the template click, but use it only if the imagemap tags don't work. Cheers,  A r k y  ¡Hablar!  21:06, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It seems to be a browser problem - it works in Firefox but not in IE6 (my default browser). – Tivedshambo (talk) 21:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Happy!
Who created Tamao Sato?! Whoever created this article, please let me know, because I am so happy!♥Kitty53 20:46, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The page history says it was User:Kappa who created it. AngelOfSadness talk  20:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * To show your appreciate you might want to add the following to his/hers talk page. --  Thε Rαnδom Eδιτor  ( tαlk ) 22:57, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Restoring Flugpo Article
I am trying to create an article on a website which has been deleted under the context of advertisment and lack of nobility. After further researching Wikipedia's policies, my userpage contains the latest version of the article and I was interested in recieving further information how to meet Wikipedia's requirements. If you could either assist me in this or point me in the right direction, it would be very much appreciated. Thanks.Saracity123 22:25, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, Saracity123. Your tone does not seem inappropriate--you seem to have the neutral point of view down. But I note that your article is lacking sufficient external sources and there really still is not claim of notability. What makes Flugpo of interest to readers of an encyclopedia? Once you've set that out, you need third-party sources distinct from company specific ones to help substantiate claims. For instance, if you've won a major industry award, you might provide a citation for that from reputable media, an industry publication perhaps. The third party source you do have seems to be from a blog without editorial review, which would not qualify it as a reliable source. Once you've asserted what makes Flugpo of interest to an encyclopedia's readers and backed it up with third-party sources, then you can expand from the company's own webpage. If you feel you can improve the article, you might want to take it next to requests for feedback. --Moonriddengirl 00:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

creating an article
I want to create a page about the beat poet Philomene Long. I am worried about content and quality issues.

cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theaetetus (talk • contribs) 23:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi. Be bold. :) An article doesn't have to be perfect to be good. Remember the pillars--particularly the first two as regards tone, sourcing and content. If you're worried about quality, you might want to review the manual of style and check out some of the links at "what is a good article?" or "article development". If you're really nervous, you may want to take your ideas to the drawing board for feedback. Once you write it, you might choose to seek feedback. Good luck, and I hope you have fun with it. :) --Moonriddengirl 00:24, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Being bold by itself won't affect whether your article gets deleted. I suggest keeping a copy of your article on your computer in case that happens. (I think gladiators were also advised to be bold.) --Teratornis 06:29, 10 September 2007 (UTC)