Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2008 August 17

= August 17 =

Accused of vandalism
I edited a page (Estrées) and my edit was removed a few days later with a note stating "rv vandalism." I added accurate information to a page. The editor "FactStraight" left no message as to why he removed my contribution, nor why he labeled my contribution as "rv vandalism." My response was to "undo" his removal of my edit. I presume that he/she will do the same thing again. Why would I be accused of vandalism?--Cdestree (talk) 00:50, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything unconstructive with your edits. I suggest leaving a note on FactStraight talk page asking why they thought your edition was vandalism, it might have been a mere misunderstanding or even a mistake —— RyanLupin • (talk) 01:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Change capitalization of article
The article Twelve traditions should be capitalized as Twelve Traditions, though there's a redirect, it redirects to the one with the wrong capitalization. Can this be fixed? -- Scarpy (talk) 02:32, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In principle you could move an article, but in this case someone would probably revert you. According to the Manual of Style (capital letters), we don’t use title case for article and section titles. Rather we capitalize the first letter of the title and proper nouns. —teb728 t c 03:21, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The MOS does not really address this or several other instances of capitalization. As this appears to represent a specific program in a number of twelve-step programs, I think the capitalization would be similar to Scout Law, Pledge of Allegiance or the Ten Commandments. You need to discuss this on the talk page and provide supporting references. If it is changed, it may be appropriate to place a notice on the talk page; see Talk:Pinewood derby for an example of a notice on capitalization. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  15:00, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm looking at the talk page for it, and not finding it. No mention of it in the talk page history . -- Scarpy (talk) 15:53, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It is a notice in a box near the top of the page. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  17:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it okay to create a template like this one: Template:Bsastyle? -- Scarpy (talk) 22:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why you did this . -- Scarpy (talk) 23:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Anyone know any alternate way to watchlist a category for changes?
I want to be able to watchlist changes to CAT:HELP. User:ais523/catwatch.js was great when it was working, but is lasted about a month and now functions only to make my Monobook.jss rather colorful (and yes I have enhanced recent changes turned off; makes no difference). I am not on IRC and don't plan on being, so #wikipedia-en-help is not an option. I tried defining a CSS user style for links to it, but that just enhances the changes to the category page itself. I also tried adding an RSS live bookmark to the category in my favorites, and can't make heads or tails of what it's doing. When I go to its entry in bookmarks it provides a drop down menu of about fifty random Wikipedia pages which, when clicked on, show diffs that have nothing I can see to do with CAT:HELP (if someone can explain what that's about I'd also be obliged). Anyone know of an alternate option?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:24, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Watchlist seems to be decidedly unencouraging. You might ask on WP:VPT if you don't get an answer here. --Teratornis (talk) 04:50, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I kind of expected to get crickets chirping here but hope springs enternal. Maybe the category watchlist tool will be fixed:-)--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:27, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

re: information about survivors of Legionnairs disease
how an where can i get any listings or complete info on people that have had this disease. i am a survivor of it. but i'm seeking out to find others that have had it. i ask because i would like to find out there aftermath of medical problems since. as i have many probs since i got it back in 1992,an survived it. is there anyone that can help me an direct me to a web site an or? please contact me, at


 * Reference desk/Science would be the more appropriate place to ask this question. Please understand that we cannot offer direct medical advice, but we do have an article on Legionellosis that may provide information and links to other sites. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  15:04, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Adding a Photo
I want to add a photo I have taken to the page on Shea Stadium I have read all the support information and still cannot find how to add a photo to the artical —Preceding unsigned comment added by Garak99 (talk • contribs) 16:44, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Make eight more edits to Wikipedia to get autoconfirmed status (required to upload images) and then go to Upload. Then see Picture tutorial for how to insert the image into the appropriate article. Algebraist 16:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If the license is acceptable to you then you can also upload the photo to Wikimedia Commons at http://commons.wikimedia.org right away. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:36, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. I am involved in the same thing.  See here (yesterday's post).  And I am just curious: What is the difference between Uploading(e.g. what I did yesterday) and Wikimedia Commons?  Is it just a difference between having a shared image accessible throughout the Wiki-universe verses Whatever-I-have-at-the-moment?  Hag2 (talk) 19:16, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Essentially, yes: images on the Commons are accessible on all Wikimedia Foundation wikis, not just the English Wikipedia. But also, since the Commons is a general free media repository, everything there has to be freely licensed. Since Wikipedia is primarily an encyclopedia, it permits non-free images when they serve an important encyclopedic purpose that can't be achieved by a free image. Algebraist 20:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. I think I understand.  Apparently the image that I uploaded yesterday is accessible ONLY on English Wikipedia because I did not upload it to the Commons.  (This is not a real problem to me at the moment.)  However, does that mean that an article written in English in the English Wikipedia is only available in that medium &mdash; for example, if my Japanese-speaking son, using his Japanese computer in Japan accesses the Japanese version of my English article he will not see the image? Hag2 (talk) 20:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no 'Japanese version of [your] English article'. There is an English Wikipedia (right here), and there is a Japanese Wikipedia over here, and they are separate things, with different articles on different topics (though of course articles are often translated from one to the other). Your image is only available to be placed in articles on the English Wikipedia, and can't be placed on Commons because it's one of those non-free images I mentioned above. It might be possible for the image to be uploaded to (and used in) the Japanese 'pedia; I don't know ja.wikipedia's image policies. Algebraist 20:27, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

glastonbury patmos twinning
I have just added this article (Glastonbury Patmos Twinning) for your consideration to include on Wikipedia. The recent Twinning is recognised by the British Local Government International Bureau as being really important and members of the Orthodox and Catholic Churches welcome the link. I would love to include one, or even two if possible (one for each of the 2 places) images (photos) that I have taken. I do not know how to do this. Can you help - or shall I wait until you have accepted the article? I am not very computer savvy and will need your advice on how to upload my images. I looked at your guidelines for a long time but they remained a mystery to me. Many thanks for your help, Wikipedia is a remarkable inspiration, sincerely Zoe d'Ay 89.240.81.243 (talk) 17:38, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The suggested article is at Articles for creation. It has not been reviewed yet and this sometimes takes days or longer. If it's accepted then it will be copied to an article page where you can add images after you have uploaded them. Uploading images requires an autoconfirmed account at Wikipedia or any account at Wikimedia Commons at http://commons.wikimedia.org. See Images. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:58, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

create and editing a page
wold you please show me how to create and edit a page?
 * You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Your first article and How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Algebraist 18:49, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

html question
Need to add a html attachement tag and html hyperlink tag on my website so customers can upload a pic to send to me. I need help with the code, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.189.166.141 (talk) 19:58, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you tried the Computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. Algebraist 20:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Did some one damage my account?
"Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in." that is the messege i get whenever i try to contribute. Ironically, i get the same messege when i tried to edit, while i was logged out! (One last pharaoh (talk) 20:16, 17 August 2008 (UTC))
 * You might be better off asking this at Village pump (technical), where techinical issues of Wikipedia are discussed. Hopefully those there can give you a better answer about it. -- Nataly a  21:07, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanx, Nataly. One last pharaoh (talk) 14:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * That happens when your browser is unable to process session cookies or you are using a bad proxy. What browser/proxy are you using? - Icewedge (talk) 21:40, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, i donot know about that stuff :D incase it would be helpful, i was using windows XP and i had the same problem, now i am using windows vista and i still have it. i even got a new hard disk, and tripled the RAMs so the computer is in like-new condition. One last pharaoh (talk) 14:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That happens to me, if I edit, go away from the pc, come back later and save. Perhaps copy and paste your changes in a refreshed version?   weburiedoursecretsinthegarden  14:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * As a last hope, i write what i want in an MC word file, or write it here then copy-past it there so that i have the contribution saved on my hard disk and i can try again if it did not work the first time. the kicker here is that i would not work the second time or the third time or whatsoever so i just gave up. i even thought to be just a reader and stop editing, but some times u cannot help editing wikipedia :) One last pharaoh (talk) 14:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

What are the guidelines for submitting translations of a website?
Some months ago I translated material from a link to a Russian webpage on Nikolai Ogarkov's webpage. However, my translation has been deleted. Can I not translate (NPOV) Russian-language material on the Web to make it available to English speakers who don't know Russian? Gwgoldb (talk) 20:56, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In general, a translation is a derivative work of the original. Thus the copyright of the original applies to the translation (as well as a new copyright owned by you for the translation itself). As a result, whether you're copying a work verbatim or translating it, it has to be GFDL licensed or you can't use it on Wikipedia. Algebraist 21:02, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

How come my image appears as a link?
I just added an image to the band template for Squirrel Nut Zippers, but it appears as a link instead of an image. I've tried various different ways to redefine the size of the image, but none seems to make any difference.

Dybryd (talk) 21:57, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * That was odd. I removed the extra spaces from the Img line and it worked. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  22:46, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It now works in the old revision as well, though. Perhaps the page just needed a nonempty edit for some reason (I'd already tried a Null edit), but in that case why was it broken (and now fixed) at Special:ExpandTemplates? I'd already purged and null-edited the image without effect. I really don't understand this one. Algebraist 22:52, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I had been seeing images showing that way in multiple articles, that are now showing as well. So it appears to have been a site-wide image displaying issue that's been resolved. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 22:55, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

My guess is now that the images needed to be approved or processed somehow by the Commons. I had the same problem with another image I uploaded this morning - which was not in a template - and like this one it now works using the same format that an hour ago displayed as a link. Thanks for helping out, guys.

Dybryd (talk) 22:55, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

PAI
Should PAI and Pai be merged? Seans Potato Business 21:58, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The former has been turned into a redirect to the latter. Deor (talk) 00:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

How do I flag something as advertising?
The entry Beetle Cat reads like an advertisement. I just put a comment on the talk page to that effect and recommended deleting the article. Now I am asking -- which I simply don't know -- if there's a template for flagging an article as potential advertising. Timothy Perper (talk) 23:15, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Timothy, it sounds like you're looking for the template. Just add that tag to the top of the article, and be sure to also include the   parameter, as well, to categorize it under the current month. Hope that helps,  Jamie ☆ S93  23:26, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep, that's the guy I want. Thanks. Timothy Perper (talk) 23:42, 17 August 2008 (UTC)