Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2008 August 18

= August 18 =

Box and align right
Can you tell me how to box Template:Nations at the 2008 Summer Olympics and make it align right and maybe use the same width as Template:Infobox Olympics United States so I can put it underneath it.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have got it boxed, but it won't slide under the other template. It puts itself next to the other one instead of below.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:07, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Try this:


 * --Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Or


 * would maybe work ¡ Dendodge  .. Talk Contribs ! 21:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Help!
Hello. I have a problem. Three of my articles, Ai Nagano, Kokoro Kikuchi, and Kiyoshi Kawakubo, which I recently created are up for deletion, and the more articles of mine are up for deletion, the worse my day is. If I don't get help, these articles will be article has-beens! I'm totally stressed out right now!Kitty53 (talk) 02:42, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Kitty, Please read WP:BIO. For each of your articles, which of the criteria there qualifies the subject of the article as notable? (Just because an actor has had a non-notable role, that does not make them notable. Most people are not notable enough to have an article in Wikipedia.) If after reading that you think these people are notable, please also read WP:RS. For each claim of notability, what reliable, third-party, published sources verifies their notability? —teb728 t c 03:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I see you've started quite a few new articles. You may want to read Wikipedia is failing for some arguments in favor of improving the existing articles rather than creating lots of new articles. Ideally, we would like every article to improve to featured quality; unfortunately, it's easier to start 100 new articles than to improve just one article that far, and that's pretty much what happens on Wikipedia. If you're tired of having your articles deleted, you could try making some new templates. In particular, you could design some navigation templates based on Navbox - how about a Template:Japanese voice actors to contain links to some of the articles in Category:Japanese voice actors? You could then add it to the bottom of Seiyū and to articles of individual actors. Navigation templates improve the appearance and usefulness of the article you put them in, moving them one small step of the way toward the ultimate goal of featured quality. It's interesting to watch your templates and see what other users do with them. A navigation template is unlikely to get deleted, unless all the articles it links to get deleted. Instead of editing in a way that leads to conflicts with other editors, why not work on things that don't get deleted? --Teratornis (talk) 04:45, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Also do remember that nothing on Wikipedia is (under normal circumstances) lost forever. If an article you have created is deleted, then a request on the talkpage of the deleting admin will get you a copy of that article's text if you need it.  You can then, if you think it appropriate, work on the form and content (perhaps as a user subpage) so it can be recreated as an article which will qualify as acceptable under Wikipedia guidelines and policies.   Ka renjc 19:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

mathematics limits
sir ,

what is the geometrical intrepetation of partial differentiation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuchhalankit (talk • contribs) 07:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This desk is for help on using Wikipedia. I believe you're looking for the Maths Reference desk. Cheers, Zain Ebrahim (talk) 07:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * See our article on partial derivative, especially the Introduction section. Gandalf61 (talk) 14:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Image speedy deletion


I'm confused about what has happened here. An image which I uploaded, Image:Bernhardt Skull.JPG has been deleted with the rationale: "Speedy deleted per (CSD I8), was an image available as a bit-for-bit identical copy on the Wikimedia Commons. using TW." However, so far as I can see, that isn't true. The closest a Commons search picks up is (right) which isn't bit-for-bit identical, at all, since the deleted image was "landscape".

I don't suppose it really matters at the moment: so far as I can tell the image was orphaned anyway. It's certainly no longer needed on the page I originally uploaded it for. I just don't understand the reason for the deletion, nor the disadvantage in retaining a public domain image on Wikipedia which might be used at a later date. AndyJones (talk) 07:34, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

If you would like to resubmit it, please find an image that isn't orphaned then. I hope this helps, Andy.:) - --SwisterTwister (talk) 07:46, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You might ask the administrator who deleted the image (User:Melesse) which image she was referencing on the Commons. -- Nataly a 10:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've tried that. AndyJones (talk) 12:47, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair use or uncopyrightable?
I've uploaded an image at Image:Hydra Head Records.png, and I'm not sure whether it's non-free or uncopyrightable, like Image:Philips logo new.svg. Anyone got any ideas? Seegoon (talk) 18:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Ineligible for copyright - text in a general typeface (common property) ¡ Dendodge  .. Talk Contribs ! 21:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Re-write or edit
As a professor and scholar I have often warned my students about relying on Wikipedia. Recently I have considered the idea of rather than avoiding Wiki articles I should try to improve or re-write them. I am an international recognized expert on certain issues, but my main passions are: human trafficking, modern slavery, forced labor and child soldiers; international humanitarian law of armed conflict (IHL/LOAC); civil liberty and national security law. Should I try and add and correct current articles on the subject or is there a way to propose to the Wikipedia community entirely new articles? I am new to your system and would welcome a mentor/adopter to guide me through format and the complexity of Wikipedia policy and politics.--Cdestree (talk) 18:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, first of all, welcome! Secondly, there are numerous editors that would be happy to walk you through the world of Wikipedia, myself among them. If you have any questions, you can ask them here, or on my talk page. Best of luck!  TN ‑ X - Man  19:03, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Me too -- just leave a message on my talk page if I can be of help. – ukexpat (talk) 20:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Estonia national football team
Hi, I need some help. Recently I made the right kits for the Estonia national football team, but I don't know how to add them to the right place. I tried but now I messed it up, I also added the kits to the discussion page of the article if someone could put them there by their own. Can someone put the kits there by their own or can someone tell me how can I do it myself? Thank you.

Sixest (talk) 19:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia file names are case sensitive. I don't know the details of the used template but I suspect the problem is .PNG instead of .png in your uploads . If this is right then I don't know whether there is another fix than uploading the images again. People at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football may be better to ask. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:29, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem is now resolved! Sixest (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

FireFox/Mac
I just updated to Firefox 3 (I'm on a mac) and now Wikipedia appears in numeric symbols. Help.

My email in case you can't read it is.

Do I need to do something to be able to read your site again?

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.189.184.108 (talk) 19:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Obviously it can't be all symbols or you could not have browsed here to ask the question. You will need to give us more specific information on the problem. --——  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  19:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

How to delete redirects
I need to delete the redirect for Billy & Mandy's Big Boogey Adventure so I can edit it to show that it's notable, but I don't know how to delete redirects. Schuym1 (talk) 19:54, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * After the redirect, at the top of the page, it says Redirected from [Page]. Just click that link and then edit the redirected page. Hope this helps. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 19:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Schuym1 (talk) 19:58, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 20:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless you make a good case for notability with reliable sources, however, your edits are like to be reverted by someone (User:TTN) who prefers a redirect. This has happened at least twice already. So it’s probably a good idea discuss your evidence with TTN first. —teb728 t c 20:13, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

My inline citation and link does not show in the references list and is not clickable
I recently added a section to the page about 'David Michael Jacobs' (UFO researcher (it is the section at the bottom of the page about his belief that he is communication with alien hybrids on instant messaging.) I put some external links as inline citations, but they are not showing on the references list at the bottom. The links also do not go anywhere when you click on the little number.  I followed the instructions for how to write the citations, by putting the external links in [] inside opening and closing ref tags, but for some reason it does not work. I am obviously doing something wrong, but I cannot for the life of me work out what it is, despite reading all the FAQ and help pages that I can find on it. (I noticed that some of the other inline citations that other people have added on that page also do not go anywhere and are not on the references list at the bottom either.) Could you please let me know exactly what I have to write in the citation? If I need to write something on the references part of the page as well, could you tell me EXACTLY how to get to it, where to write it, and exactly what to write there? I tried trying to get to the references part of the page via the 'edit' link, but it did not bring up the full references page and it was unclear what you are supposed to do with it. Thanks very much. Angie186 (talk) 20:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Angie186 (talk • contribs) 20:02, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I fixed it, there was an unclosed ref tag higher up in the article. - Icewedge (talk) 20:08, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Angie186 (talk • contribs) 20:23, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Appropriate reporting venue?
In the DJ CHEF article, the creator has three times removed various CSD tags without discussion or addressing the points in question. What is the appropriate venue to report such behavior? It doesn't seem like blatant enough vandalism for AIV, it's not strictly a copyvio issue... but removing CSD tags off your own articles is supposed to be a no-no. What to do next? gnfnrf (talk) 20:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Looking at the history, he did remove a copyvio tag, and has now removed the speedy tag three times. I have left a warning on his page. Take a look at the article and see if the copyvio is still valid and tag it if it needs it. I will look at this again in two hours or so. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  21:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * In this particular case, the last CSD tag stuck (either the user finally saw the light, or was just no longer around to revert) and the article was (rightly) deleted. However, I was also kinda wondering what to do in these kinds of situations in general.  Where do you take complaints of disruptive edits that are not blatant vandalism? gnfnrf (talk) 02:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Persistent removal of CSD tags after appropriate warnings should be reported to WP:AIV. – ukexpat (talk) 04:16, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Question on Referencing
Can anyone help me to understand the blacklisting of Associated Content? It seems to be a good site due to it's association to Associated Press. Please respond to my talk page. Monkeytheboy (talk) 20:34, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Responded on user's talk page. —[ DeadEyeArrow – Talk – Contribs ] 21:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Template:railway line header
Hi I'm editing the catalan wikipedia and I have seen that template in the english wikipedia: Template:Railway line header. Anyone know how to do to hide railway tables as a default option? Thanks. --Vilarrubla (talk) 20:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

confirm my email
I have tried several times to get a confirmation email so I can make a comment on an article. I have checked that I have my correct email address entered. Any ideas?

Thanks, Dono suaveDono suave (talk) 20:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * You don’t need a confirmation email to comment on an article. The fact that you can post here means that you can post to most articles. Entering an email allows us to e-mail your password to you if you forget it. You can also enable e-mail from other users; that feature requires confirmation. —teb728 t c 20:53, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I see you have now commented on an article so maybe this has become irrelevant. See Help:Email confirmation and if the mail cannot get through to your normal email acccount then you could try another. See for example Comparison of webmail providers for some possibilities. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:02, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Moving Page: Need Help; Sort of Double Page Made.
I am a new user, just autoconfirmed, and I saw that an article title was incorrectly in lower-case. The article in question is/was Indian Summer: The Secret history of the end of an empire. As you can tell by the title it is incorrectly written, as it is also the name of a book. I went to the 'move' tab, changed the name of the article to Indian Summer: The Secret History of the End of an Empire, gave my reason, and moved it. What came up after the move was the page that said to check links. I checked the links and moved to the actual article. What appeared under the 'article' tab was a blank edit page, and instead of under 'article' I was under 'create new page'. I was/am utterly confused because I thought the whole point of moving an article was to avoid having to create an entire new page. I opened a new tab in my browser and searched the new title in the Wikipedia search bar. What appeared was the old, incorrect page! I went to the 'history' tab and it didn't say that the page had moved. I went under the 'edit this page' tab and everything was the same and I was still in the old article. I clicked the 'discussions' tab and all of a sudden I was in the new, correctly capitalized article where it still prompts me to create a new page. I have two major questions: 1) should this be happening? and 2) what should I do? Thanks for reading and please get back to me soon so that I no longer have to agonize about this. Helixer (talk) 21:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Simple answer appears to be that you've created (and then moved) the talk page, but haven't moved the page itself...I think (from recollection) that if you're on the article page and move it, it asks you if you want to move the talk page too. If you're on the talk page, and move it, then maybe it doesn't ask if you want to move the article page as well? EIther way, let me see if I can help you out. GbT/c 21:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. The uncapitalised version of each now redirects to the relevant places. GbT/c 21:23, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much. You're an article life saver. :=^D Helixer (talk) 21:27, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Legitmacy of copyright violation
I'm looking for some documentation/help to clarify fair-use of material in the twelve-step program article. A user has commented on it twice: , . Reproducing the Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions is is cited, and fits the requirements in Fair use, so can I remove the copyright violation notice on the bottom of the page: .?-- Scarpy (talk) 23:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The text is the whole of the "12 Steps" which, to me, isn't a "brief quotation". Given that the "12 Steps" is a major product of Alcoholics Anonymous and currently it appears in its entirety and verbatim in the article, it is my opinion that it is very hard to claim "fair use" in this particular case.   In other words, I tend to agree with the copyvio stance of "Linda".  Try summarizing the 12 steps, using your own words, to get the same point across.  -- ShinmaWa(talk) 00:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * A product of Alcoholics Anonymous? Apparently it's a moot point since the copyright expired. -- Scarpy (talk) 00:35, 19 August 2008 (UTC)