Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2008 June 19

= June 19 =

WP:USURP date section probs
At WP:USURP, usually the requests are sectioned out into level 2 headers by date. Maybe the bot is in repair or something, but the last section header that is visible is for June 14 (5 whole days ago). flaminglawyerc 00:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there a question here? If you are wondering why there are no headings for the last few days, it is probably best to ask at the bot owner's talk page or WT:USURP.  They would probably be more well informed to answer your question than the help desk.  « Gonzo fan2007  (talk ♦ contribs) @  '' 03:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

More than a stub
Vollmersweiler is an article on a district in germany. Im not sure if wikipedia is aiming to have an article on reletively all comminative locations in the world, but if it is and this article remains valid and therefore is kept and not deleted then someone who knows something about this place needs to actually write the article because this article which is tagged as a stub has one sentance and an information box (the coat of arms, flags, dates etc). but that is all and the article is entirely too short and needs to be expanded or deleted. Randy6767 (talk) 02:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * While it may be an extremely short stub, length is not a reason for deletion. We have hundreds of thousands of articles of roughly the same length; many are of high importance. There has been a discussion on creating stubs on every documented location in the world, so yes is the simple answer to your question. Cheers, Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  02:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * WP:SOFIXIT, basically if something is wrong or needs expanded, it is best to just try and fix it, rather than complaining to others telling them they should fix it.  « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @  '' 03:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Im not complaining or telling anybody to fix the problem. I was asking what the proper actions to take would be. The reason I said "someone needs to" is because i know nothing of this place; nothing that i could stretch out into anything longer than a stub. im quick to change an article if i am able to do so but in this case im not knoledgable enough to expand this stub but i was wandering if it should just be deleted which is the only reason i brought it up! Randy6767 (talk) 06:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The German Wikipedia's article is a bit better, that might help improve it a little. -- tiny plastic Grey Knight   &#x2296;  07:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The link to the German Wikipedia article would be: de:Vollmersweiler (an interlanguage link is already in the Vollmersweiler article), and we can use Google translation to get a machine translation into semi-correct English (although with several German terms untranslated):
 * I noted this on Talk:Vollmersweiler for the benefit of other editors. One might also examine WikiProject Germany to see who might be "in charge" of such articles. I.e., to find other editors who are interested in editing articles about Germany. (WikiProject Stub sorting has apparently done a nice job of organizing lots of similar stubs: Category:Rheinhessen-Pfalz geography stubs. See the edit history of Vollmersweiler to see the pattern of bot activity.) --Teratornis (talk) 16:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to try a library for more information! $$\sim$$ Lenoxus " * " 19:49, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't forget to try a library for more information! $$\sim$$ Lenoxus " * " 19:49, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Removing dead URLs?
I found a link on several of the Flash related pages that is dead now. (Crimson Lightning) I removed it from a couple, but I wondered if there is any way to find all of the instances of this link on Wikipedia to remove them? Slavlin (talk) 03:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you may be looking for Special:Linksearch.  « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) @  '' 03:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also see WP:EIW. --Teratornis (talk) 16:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Edit an edit summary?
Is it possible to change an edit summary? I made a change at WP:3O that inluded an incorrect wikilink in the summary, and would like to correct it. Do I need an Admin or higher to make the change, or should I stop worrying about it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JimMillerJr (talk • contribs) 03:50, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sure it can be done, if there is a real need. WP:Edit_summary suggest making a dummy edit in case it's important. In this case you can just leave it be, nobody will probably notice it. And if someone does want to find your message it's one click away on the talk page - or can be easily found via your contributions log. I do find it a shame that the edit summary is not included in a preview. If there is some way to get the latter done I would like to hear about it. Species8473 (talk) 04:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This may be of interest for you as well: VPPR --Species8473 (talk) 06:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * RE-Edit summery....Actually it does show in an preview.It shows right under the edit summery box

No Sources(References)
Since the "no sources" files on this site are so backed up(over 100,000 pages) could I just start deleting the unreferenced information, and adding references that I can find? Y5nthon5a (talk) 04:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Use caution. Sometimes information tagged as needing a citation realy is doubtful, and really should be removed if no source can be found. Other times the person who tagged it was just plain incompetent. Examples I've seen of such incompetence include tagging even though the source of the information was explained in the text rather than in a footnote, or tagging information in an article about a book or film which obviously was obtained directly from the book or film. Also, sometimes articles include general references, yet statements are tagged that could easily be confirmed by looking in the index or table of contents of one (or many) of the general references. --Gerry Ashton (talk) 04:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The proper procedure would be to tag uncited material as such, this to allow editors that work on the article to look into it. If after a reasonable amount of time the information is still uncited it can be removed. Unsourced or poorly sourced material that may damage the reputation of living persons or organizations may be removed on sight. Also see WP:V. Species8473 (talk) 04:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Where to Request New Reliable Sources
You always get pages deleted by not having your source on the "reliable source" list. Is there anywhere where I can request a reliable source? THANKS! Y5nthon5a (talk) 04:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If the questionable passage is something someone else wrote, you may tag it with fact, citequote, or specify. You can also simply delete it, especially if it involves a biography of a living person (be sure to indicate exactly why you are deleting it in the edit summary so it doesn't look like vandalism).   If this is something you are adding and you don't have a reliable source for it -- don't add it.  -- ShinmaWa(talk) 04:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what you mean by reliable source list. Are you referring to the reliable sources noticeboard? When using a source, try to follow the reliable sources guidelines. That in combination with common sense, and discussion with other editors where needed, should do. Species8473 (talk) 04:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * For articles about subjects that have attracted scholarly interest, you might find reliable sources with Google scholar cite. If you would give us some specific examples of articles for which you seek sources, we can show you how to search for them. Your nonspecific question is hard to answer concisely, because different subjects may have reliable sources in different places, requiring different search methods. --Teratornis (talk) 16:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're asking whether you can request that a source become considered reliable, well, that always depends on the source itself — it's not some kind of official top-down decision. Apart from the aforementioned noticeboard, there isn't actually a "reliable source list", just a set of criteria.$$\sim$$ Lenoxus " * " 19:59, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Moving images
Hi, need some quick help, I stupidly named this image Image:Kit left arm shoulder stripes white stripes black collar.png which is suppose to be used with Football kit, It should be called Image:Kit body shoulder stripes white stripes black collar.png as it's not the left arm and is there for unusable at the current time. I tried looking for something about moving Images but didnt find it. And I thought i'd ask here if someone could do it. So I don't have to use the backup plan, uploading it again under the corrent name and speedy delete this one &mdash; chandler &mdash; 04:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There's bots that can do it if you need to move a bunch, but uploading under the new name and deleting the old one is the current process until image moving is implemented in the software. Mr.Z-man 05:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Indeed see: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709 and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4421 --Species8473 (talk) 05:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, how should I tag it? &mdash; chandler &mdash; 05:16, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You can follow this. Species8473 (talk) 05:32, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That won't be necessary. If you uploaded the original image, you can just tag it with db-author. Mr.Z-man 05:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Seattle Public High Schools template
How come I am unable to edit this template?:

And where may I edit it? Thanks, --DerRichter (talk) 06:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The template is included from another place. On the top left there are three small links (in the blue bar), to edit it click the small e. The two other links point to the template main page (from where you can also perform an edit), and the template talk page. --Species8473 (talk) 07:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * (E/C) I assume you were clicking on the edit link in the template itself (the "e" in the blue bar) and getting a message the template doesn't exist? The reason that was happening was that a person changed the name in a parameter of the template from "Seattle Schools" to "Seattle Public Schools" which made the edit link attempt, when clicked on, to take you to edit a template with that other name, which didn't exist. It may be that the template itself should be moved to that other name, but for the moment I have reverted the parameter change which was causing the problem. If you had approached editing the template directly from its title page you wouldn't have had this problem. Anytime you see a template in place somewhere with curly braces around it ( – ), the name of the template page itself will always be "Template:" followed by whatever is between the braces. Example: 's title page if it existed would be Template:FOO, and if you typed that in the search box and clicked go, you would then be at the template page where you could click "edit this page" directly. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 07:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks a ton. --DerRichter (talk) 07:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 07:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Messed up categories by mistake, sorry
I was trying to create a sub-category History of education by country to the existing History of Education. I think I've messed it up and created a redirect instead. Very sorry. Would be pleased if someone can help sort it quickly before others get annoyed. Itsmejudith (talk) 10:02, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You created Category:History of education by country and placed it in Category:History of Education, a deprecated category. I recategorized it to Category:History of education.  --——  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  10:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I hadn't noticed there was a problem with the capitalisation. Itsmejudith (talk) 13:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Deleting unwanted italics from several paragraphs.
Brand new novice here, who successfully created an addition to an article complete with several photo inserts. BUT, for some reason, the first three paragraphs have turned to all italics, and I can't figure out how to change back to normal typeface. There are several italicized words in these paragraphs. Everything looked just fine at first, and then, somehow in final editing, the paragraphs turned all italics and even deleting and retyping the text doesn't seem to help. One of the picture captions also turned to irreversible italics. What should i do? Trust me, I'll be grateful for your thoughts! Pd3659 (talk) 10:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Paul
 * HI, I think I have found and fixed the problem - you had accidently typed  instead of  in a couple of places where you were trying to close the italics. You can see the changes I made at this link . DuncanHill (talk) 11:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Duncan: Thanks so much! I was amazed when I got back to the article tonight and everything was fine! I really appreciate not only your advice, but your willingness to help me directly. I'm grateful for your kindness. Pd3659 (talk) 05:43, 20 June 2008 (UTC)Paul
 * That's quite alright - we are all learning here! DuncanHill (talk) 11:30, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Standard wiki markup is to use apostrophes to format italics. See Help:Wikitext examples and Cheatsheet. --——  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  11:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Some HTML in wikitext is available, but most experienced Wikipedia editors prefer the more concise wikitext markup, when there is a choice between equivalent HTML and wikitext. "Wiki" is the Hawaiian word for "quick," and the idea with wikitext is to make it as compact as possible, to allow the fastest possible editing. This can seem slightly annoying to experienced HTML encoders, who already know a markup language, but it's easy to learn the basic wikitext markup on the cheatsheet, and after a while one appreciates the easier typing. Since you are a new user, you should take the WP:TUTORIAL. --Teratornis (talk) 17:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Ed and Teratornis: Great suggestions, and I'll pursue them. What a fantastic group of editors to offer not only good help, but good and fast help. Thanks a lot. Pd3659 (talk) 05:43, 20 June 2008 (UTC)Paul

SignIDlike (talk) 13:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
May I singing at Wikipedia?


 * You may, I guess, but not within articles.  TN ‑ X - Man  13:22, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, you could try the list at Requested recordings if you want to provide your singing abilities for use. If you can't see anything you can do, I guess you could look around for some articles that might find audio useful.  But be certain to check on that article's talk page that everybody agrees with you before uploading anything; audio files can take up a lot of space on the server. -- tiny plastic Grey Knight   &#x2296;  13:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Does I posting following news content such as, will considered as vandelism? Why some account will be blocked indefinitely?Singing is my fun (talk) 13:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The link you gave is to a page on the French Wikipedia; in my browser (Firefox 2.0.0.14 on Ubuntu Linux) I see what looks like a lot of possibly Chinese characters. If that's what most French Wikipedia users see, they will probably judge the edit as either a mistake or vandalism and revert it. See WP:EIW for all the information anyone could want about vandalism on Wikipedia (what it is, how to deal with it, etc.). For information about blocking, see WP:EIW and WP:BLOCK. Policies and guidelines on the French Wikipedia may differ slightly from the English Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 17:08, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The user on the French Wikipedia has been indefinitely blocked for replacing the French text of 12 articles with chinese text (and all in just 2 minutes!). Even if it is "news content", using a language not understood by the majority of the readers is not appreciated, and will be quickly reverted (usually as vandalism).  If the editor persists, it is likely they will be blocked.
 * A quick question for en:Wikipedia admins: If SignIDlike is the same person as fr:Asprain is WanSui, would they be considered a sockpuppet?
 * Astronaut (talk) 22:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Numbers and letters
For some reason everything on wikipedia is illegible, where there should be words there are series of numbers and formulas.

I just installed Firefox 3.0 yesterday, could that be part of it? I've looked at the page in Safari as well and it has the same problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.117.27.167 (talk) 13:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Which article? This Wikipedia? StewieGriffin!  &bull; Talk Sign 15:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This Help desk page is a page on the English Wikipedia. Can you read this page? It seems you were able to add an entry to this page. If you cannot read this page, you won't be able to see our answers, which would make it difficult for us to help you. In most browsers you can view the HTML source of a page; can you read the HTML source of one of these garbled pages? If you can read this, see Browser notes. --Teratornis (talk) 16:52, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I had a problem with my password when I installed Firefox 3.0 on my home computer, it didn't recognize my old cookies, so I had to re-login, and even though I kept typing in the proper password, it took about four tries before Firefox realized that I really wanted that password.  Corvus cornix  talk  18:33, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Short cut to my Desktop
Can you inform me on how to put you as a short cut on my desktop? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.174.57.35 (talk) 15:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This area is generally for questions about using Wikipedia. You may want to check at the reference desk for computer related questions. However, if you right-click on your desktop, it should bring up a menu. Go to "new", then select "shortcut".  TN ‑ X - Man  15:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think they meant a shortcut to Wikipedia. Up in your browser's Address Bar, there should be an icon of a letter W. Just drag that icon to your desktop, and it'll create a shortcut there. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 19:10, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Clarification of 3RR
I read the guidelines for 3RR, but I just have a question that I'd like an established editor or admin to answer- would it be an acceptable exception to the rule if the other person is inserting wrong information into an article? The exceptions on the 3RR policy say if it's blatant vandalism, you can revert more than three times in a row, but would inserting wrong information count as vandalism, too? Alinnisawest (talk) 16:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No. If it's just wrong information (not vandalism, copyvios, or libel against living people), then reverting here is exactly what the 3RR is designed to prevent. You should discuss the situation on the article talk page instead. This is stated clearly at WP:3RR: 'content changes ... are not exempt'. Algebraist 16:42, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Even if it is blatant lies and the person editing the article knows it? Alinnisawest (talk) 16:57, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You've read 3RR: 'simple vandalism constitutes edits which any well-intentioned user would immediately agree constitute vandalism.' Of course, this may be a time to ignore all rules, but that's not for the unwary. Algebraist 17:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You might list the other user at WP:AIV if they persist in putting in acknowledged false information.  Corvus cornix  talk  18:35, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Images being migrated to Commons
I'm not sure what is happening, but I've had a number of images on an article I'm working on moved from en.wikipedia images to the wikimedia.commons (whatever that may be). It appears to cause copyright or licensing problems in some instances. I'm not sure why this has happened - have I missed an announcement somewhere? The article in question is William Wilberforce. It is causing a little bit of consternation as we're about to go for FA. Can you perhaps point me in the direction of some guidance? Many thanks! Cheers, Bruce – Agendum (talk) 16:51, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * See Commons for an introduction to what "Commons" means. I'm looking into the situation with images moving. One problem I recall reading about earlier is that on Commons, all images must be under a free license, or they must be in the public domain (i.e., no fair-use images). So if a bot program mistakenly moved a non-free image to Commons, that will cause a problem. --Teratornis (talk) 16:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The move may not have been due to a bot. See WP:EIW for what looks like complete information about this complicated process. (For example, see Moving images to the Commons.) If you have specific questions, let us know. Your odds of getting a good answer here depend on whether any Help desk volunteers who are reading this just now are experts in this particular process (I am not, but lots of people read the Help desk; check back over the next day or two). However, Wikipedia's internal documents are generally about as complete as a person could need; it's just a matter of plowing through to get the bits you want. --Teratornis (talk) 17:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What copyright problems? I see one GFDL, one cc-by-sa, one cc-by, and a whole bunch of public domain: all freely licensed, and suitable for the commons. Algebraist 17:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Page history
Talk:Blood donation probably should include the article history to include two failed attempts at GA. I am not sure about how to format and add the page history here. Snowman (talk) 17:24, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The answer is probably somewhere in the links under WP:EIW. Or maybe someone else can give the concise answer. I've seen talk pages that list the kind of history you describe. Unfortunately we can't find examples with a Google search, because Google does not index Wikipedia's talk pages. --Teratornis (talk) 17:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You want ArticleHistory. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  <sup style="color:darkblue;">talk  -  17:47, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also see WikiProject_Good_articles, in particular FailedGA, and its backlinks. The backlinks show quite a few examples. --Teratornis (talk) 17:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Have I been blacklisted.
It seems there is a concerted effort to not acknowledge my work. See the following odd coincidences: Tony, whatever you think the problem is, do you really think this post has any chance of making things more to your liking? I find it hard to believe that anyone here is important enough to warrant a conspiracy against them. Perhaps you might want to delete this question (feel free to nuke my response too), and at least think about it for 24 hours before putting it back up? --barneca (talk) 18:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) After 127 WP:DYKs in which approximately 123 (97%) were properly recorded at WP:DYKA, the most recent thirteen of my DYK nominations have not been recorded in the archives. This is a bit much to be a coincidence.
 * 2) When I became next in line for the Editorial Triple Crown, User:Durova went on hiatus from awarding them.
 * 3) Suddenly, none of my WP:FC nominations can get enough support for promotion (see User:TonyTheTiger/Reviews).
 * The recent inability to get any support votes for [[Image:Cscr-candidate.png|18px]]Portal:Chicago, [[Image:Cscr-candidate.png|18px]]Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago), [[Image:Cscr-former.svg|16px]]Germany Schulz, [[Image:Cscr-former.svg|16px]]Walter O'Malley are suspicious. These along with the consecutive fails of [[Image:Cscr-former.svg|16px]]Rush Street (Chicago), [[Image:Cscr-former.svg|16px]]Bob Chappuis, [[Image:Cscr-former.svg|16px]]Marshall Field and Company Building, [[Image:Cscr-former.svg|16px]]Jack Kemp when added to the mix is highly suspicious. It seems that the consistent theme of all the feedback is instructions to remove information.  I am not necessarily suspicious of [[Image:Cscr-former.svg|16px]]Dick Rifenburg or [[Image:Cscr-former.svg|16px]]Crown Fountain at the stages they were at, although Crown Fountain has been revised and will be a major part of WP:CHIFTD.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:21, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) (addendum) The sudden absence of nominees for the WP:LOTM process is also curious.
 * 2) (another addendum) User:SatyrTN retired leaving WP:CHICAGO without a bot to add ChicagoWikiProject and WP:BOTREQ has been unable to get a working bot to replace the services of User:SatyrBot.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That's a pretty good response as far as encouraging people to ignore the evidence presented. This is just what I told Jimbo I expected. Can you please point to any statement I may have made about feeling extremely important above..--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Guess I'm about to join the cabal. This belongs at Administrators' noticeboard, not the Help Desk.  If you have a technical issue with using Wikipedia let us know.  --——  Gadget850 (Ed)  <sup style="color:darkblue;">talk  -  19:06, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I will try there.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:09, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Help with the Div tag
The Div tag is very complex and I need help with it. But for now can sobody goto User:Melab-1 and make the text section stick out to the left of the page where it extends below the side box THX Melab-1 (talk) 18:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC) PS I've looked at the editing FAQ but there was nothing detailed enough on Div tag for me.


 * Div is an HTML tag: see span and div. --——  Gadget850 (Ed)  <sup style="color:darkblue;">talk  -  19:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Bouncing Wikipedia Logo
Thanks On one of these userppages I saw that the main wikipedialogo up at the top left was bouncing can somebody tell me that persons userpage and how he/she did that THXMelab-1 (talk) 19:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's this:


 * Add it with [[Image:Bouncywikilogo.gif]] . Check also Help:Images for how to add the images. Hope this helps. <em style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:DarkBlue">StewieGriffin!  &bull; Talk Sign 19:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * NO No I mean the User had made the logo that is constanly the same on every page bouce--Top Left Corner I d like to know how he did that and if you can find his/her page Melab-1 (talk) 20:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Try this [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|180px]]
 * That adds a flag of the UK behind the WP logo. Just change the image name. <em style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:DarkBlue">StewieGriffin!  &bull; Talk Sign 20:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's probably done by formatting in the user's monobook.css. If you tell us which user you are referring to we can check it out. – ukexpat (talk) 20:36, 19 June 2008 (UTC) Oops, no it's not... – ukexpat (talk) 20:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Melab-1 (talk) 20:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle on Wii
According to WP:TW, Twinkle is supposed to work with Opera, but it doesn't seem to be working with my Wii's Opera Browser. Is there a reason why? Also, removed the part that said that Twinkle does not work with IE and said that it does work with IE on the edit summary. Was that vandalism? <font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">GO-PCHS-NJROTC <font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS">(Messages) 19:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * A side note: Can you get keyboards for Wii's then? ......<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#008000"> Dendodge  .. Talk Help 19:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * (ec) To be honest, the Wii probably won't work good. However, Twinkle is mainly used on computers so try that. <em style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:DarkBlue">StewieGriffin!  &bull; Talk Sign 20:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you can. See http://www.wiikeyboard.com/. And Opera should work best with that. <em style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:DarkBlue">StewieGriffin!  &bull; Talk Sign 20:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * And no, that wasn't vandalism... i think. <em style="font-family:Comic Sans MS;color:DarkBlue">StewieGriffin!  &bull; Talk Sign 20:04, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It needs full javascript support, Wii's don't have that (they use some fancy programming language that about 10 people know) ......<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#008000"> Dendodge  .. Talk Help 20:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Wiis do have Java Script support, but I'm not sure if they have "full javascript" support. I do know that they don't work with Java Applets, so perhaps their Java support isn't good enough for twinkle. Perhaps this is more of a question for Nintendo support rather than Help Desk. I'd try it on my PC, but I'm a big Internet Explorer fan, so I don't have any other browsers installed, and I don't intend to install any other browsers at this time. Although someone claimed that twinkle does work with IE, that guy's monobook is completely blank, and there's no indication that (s)he has ever used twinkle. There is indication, however, that that person has made some unconstructive edits, so that's why I'm thinking that was vandalism. <font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">GO-PCHS-NJROTC <font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS">(Messages) 20:25, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL, Wii key. It sounds kind of like "Wii Key Pedia." How is Wikipedia supposed to be pronounced anyway? <font color="red" face="Comic Sans MS">GO-PCHS-NJROTC <font color="black" face="Comic Sans MS">(Messages) 20:35, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You can search YouTube for "Jimmy Wales" and hear how the Great Leader pronounces it. Or you can listen to the wiki article by clicking the audio links near the bottom. Or you can ask your nearest Hawaiian friend. --Teratornis (talk) 03:06, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a side note: Java is not the same as JavaScript. Java programs need a JVM. JavaScript runs inside a browser. (Usually.) --grawity 10:57, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

McDonald's Cycle Center infobox help
Does anyone have an infobox suggestion for McDonald's Cycle Center?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:48, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Template:Infobox building perhaps. Some of the parameters there might be appropriate. Not all articles need infoboxes, I remember one editor who steadfastly refuses to have infoboxes in articles they contribute to. If you can't find one, it won't be the end of the world, they are not a requirement, just an optional extra. Regards. Woody (talk) 21:55, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

How to contact the last editor to update information
I'm writing to find out how to contact the last editor of Discover Financial Services' page and the Discover Card page. I'd like to suggest edits that will correct erroneous/outdated information63.173.0.195 (talk) 21:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC).
 * In this case, it is unnecessary to contact the last editor, you can simply change the page yourself (keep in mind that we use not "the truth", but what is available in reliable sources, this is contained in the verifiability policy). However, for future reference, go to the user's talk page (reachable by either clicking the talk link after their username or by going to <tt>User talk:USERNAME</tt>), clicking the "new section" tab, and writing your message. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 21:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and in case you didn't know, the last editor to a page can be found by perusing the history page, which is available by clicking the "history" tab near the top of the page. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 21:59, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * (E/C)Or you can suggest edits on the talkpage of the article, so Talk:Discover Card where interested editors can discuss whether they will be acceptable additions to the article. If you have a conflict of interest, be careful when editing. Regards. Woody (talk) 22:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

How to upload logo
The logo is not appearing properly on our page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedbergh_School,_Qu%C3%A9bec

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hfaber (talk • contribs) 22:23, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The images do not appear to have been uploaded to wikipedia, please see Uploading images for more information! Andyreply 22:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And regarding the article, I'd suggest reading Your first article if you haven't already. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 22:30, 19 June 2008 (UTC)