Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2008 June 24

= June 24 =

Number of disambiguation pages
Does anyone know how many "articles" are in fact disambiguation pages on English Wikipedia? Do any of the bots track this? I looked about and am stumped. --JayHenry (talk) 01:10, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know offhand. It sounds like something that would require help from someone who knows how to query Wikipedia's database. See: WP:EIW. You could try checking the backlinks from templates that appear on disambiguation pages, but there are many such templates, so that would be extremely tedious to do by hand. For example, see Hndis, Geodis, etc. We have a WikiProject Disambiguation; maybe someone who is active in that project knows how to actually count the disambiguation pages. You might read that project's pages, and if you don't see the answer already in writing, ask on the talk page: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation. --Teratornis (talk) 02:16, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * After more fishing I discovered a Special page that I didn't know existed Special:MostLinkedCategories. Turns out that there are currently 99,602 disambiguation pages. --JayHenry (talk) 03:28, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That have the disambiguation tag or variant thereof on them. There are some that don't (probably), giving something pretty close to 100,000 disambiguation pages. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 03:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Deleting a sub page of my userpage
Hello, I started a new sub page on my userpage for an article I thought about writing. The more research I do on it, the more I found out there are not very many good sources on the subject. How do I delete this sub page? tabor -drop me a line 01:11, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Place the following on it:
 * An WP:ADMIN will come along and delete it for you. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * An WP:ADMIN will come along and delete it for you. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 01:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

IMDb as a source
I can't find where it says that we can't use IMDb as a source for biographical info (birth dates, etc). I've checked WP:BLP, WP:RS, etc. and I just can't find it. I know I've seen it though. Any help? Dismas |(talk) 01:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You can use Google custom to . That finds a few pages, such as:
 * IMDb
 * Citing IMDb
 * WikiProject Films/Style guidelines
 * You might want to add Help desk searches to your user page, for fast access. --Teratornis (talk) 02:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

adding to content
Can I add to content not originally submitted by me but for where I have expert knowledge? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.7.91.98 (talk) 01:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * See WP:NOR, WP:RS, WP:CITE, WP:FOOT, and WP:EXR. --Teratornis (talk) 02:11, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Everyone has a brain or should have a brain. In Wikipedia, we should use that brain to help us edit but we need to use as many references as possible and refrain from writing a lot of stuff that has no references.

A few things you can synthesize such as Shell Oil is an oil company. But much more than that and you need references. For example, Shell sells V-Power gas. You should find a reference. Shell kills baby seals. That's not true but if it were, you really need a reference for that and you can't be biased in writing stuff either. Presumptive (talk) 03:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

C-class Shannara articles
Why are Shannara articles (the two--> The Elfstones of Shannara and King of the Silver River) not being moved to C-class when I mark them as so using the template? Is it being delayed, or did I/am I doing something wrong? Thank you in advance!  the_ed 17  04:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Mysterious...The Elfstones of Shannara is working for me. I suspect a buggy template for the failure of the second, but I don't know... Calvin 1998 (t-c) 04:47, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Buggy template is likely, I tried rating it as B-class and it worked. Try the talkpage of NovelsWikiProject to get more info. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 04:51, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I apolgize for confusion--I manually added Elfstones to it, but it is also still in Category: Unassessed Shannara articles  the_ed 17  04:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * See Talk:The Elfstones of Shannara now, as I removed my manual category placement. And I will try the template talk...thanks. =)  the_ed 17  04:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think it's because the template doesn't support C-Class yet. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 05:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Wellllll, that would be an awfully good reason why it isn't working...I feel as if I might have been able to decipher that myself. Ugh. Thank you for your help, though!  the_ed 17  05:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Difference between Communication & Transport
am confused with the correct usage of Communication & Transport.

If I'm using my bike for going to watch a movie in the same town, what should i say ?

1. The transport to the hall is good or 2. The communication to that hall is good —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.246.167.68 (talk) 04:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 04:59, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Your second example sentence would be more common among British English speakers than among American English speakers. See:
 * transportation
 * communication
 * --Teratornis (talk) 14:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * --Teratornis (talk) 14:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * --Teratornis (talk) 14:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * In response to Teratornis: I'm a native speaker of British English and the second sentence ("The communication to that hall is good") is certainly not British English for what you want to say. You want "transport". Olaf Davis | Talk 18:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Citing from closed sources
I am currently trying to reduce the number of "citation needed"s for some of the sections in [Open Directory Project]. I now reached a point where some of the statements have the only reliable source inside the private ODP forums, since that is where ODP staff made most of their announcements. Those are only viewable to ODP editor, so any ODP editor could check but noone else.


 * Is it okay to give nonpublic documents as references? If not, how to proceed with facts that are true, have a "citation needed" tag, but can not be verified using a public source?


 * Does it make sense to link to those documents (requires login, so inaccessible for most readers anyway), or do I reference the frum link but no link tag (to have a unique identification of the document), or do I use some generic identification like board name + Thread title (which could change in the future)? Ref. 3 does the third (Open Directory Forum - General - Analyzing editor numbers - page 1, 13 August 2006), but I personally would think that isn't the best solution.

Sorry if that is covered in the documentation. I read the citation information, and all subpages I considered related, but couldn't find anything.

A current example would be:
 * However, ODP is now set up in such a way that when someone attempts to login at ODP using a deactivated editor login, a generic web page is displayed that informs a removed editor that a final decision has been made regarding the deactivation of his or her login and providing a list of possible reasons as to why such a decision might have been made.[citation needed]

The annoucement of that feature was posted in the forum by ODP staff. But to see that "generic web page" you must provide the correct credentials for a removed editor, so it can't be linked to as a reference.

-- Windharp (talk) 06:31, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

cs:Wikipedie:Potřebuji pomoc kk:Уикипедия:Анықтама үстелі no:Wikipedia:Vannposten sk:Wikipédia:Potrebujem pomoc
 * Generally, no. If there is no way for a public member to verify it, it isn't a verifiable source, and should not be used to cite information.  If a person just needs to sign up for something, that is a different story (although it is generally discouraged when freely available sources could be used instead.-- Oni Ookami Alfador Talk 13:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

semi-protection of "Christopher Columbus"
Dear ...

I'm an author (historian) and I'm with Wiki since almost a year (German). I now would like to add a booktitle in the English Wikipage of "Christopher Columbus".

I don't know why, but I had to log in with a new account (it didn't accept the two accounts I already had for using the Italian and German page).

Still, I cannot enter into "sources". Why is this the case? Isn't it a "semi-protected" page, which should be possible to use with a Log in?

Thanks for helping me

84.72.54.67 (talk) 09:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)zoto24


 * Yes- it is semiprotected, which means it can be edited only by users who are logged in and autoconfirmed. See User access levels.  --——  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  11:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * And see the links under WP:EIW, such as m:Help:Unified login and Single signon transition . --Teratornis (talk) 15:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * However, Help:Unified login says that even if you set up a single signon account, you still need separate autoconfirmation on each wiki you join. --Teratornis (talk) 15:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I am an autoconfirmed member but I am not being allowed to post images. Why not?
My account is 8 days old and I ma an autoconfirmed member. I am able to post articles yet when I try to add images to an article, I am being told that I am not authorized to do so. What's up? Spacemodulator (talk) 13:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Autoconfirmed is 4 days and 10 edits per User access levels. You have 9 edits.  You can check your status at Special:Preferences under Member of groups.  --——  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  13:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Adding content in Hindi language
Dear Sir,

I wish to know if I can add content in Hindi language directly at the Wikipedia site? If yes, pls provide me the details.

Thanks, Ritesh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.221.133.226 (talk) 14:28, 24 June 2008 (UTC) <;!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 * You would use the Hindi Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 14:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Danica Patrick
On the listed information for Danica, her nationality is listed as "American". AMERICA is composed of two continents, North and South. Danica is a United States National from the United States of America. People born from the south of Chile up to the northern part of Canada have all been born in "America" We are all Americans not just those born in the United States. Please correct this grave and way to common error.

Luis Ernesto Rodriguez El Salvador, Central (North) AMERICA —Preceding unsigned comment added by Luisernesto (talk • contribs) 14:53, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Some of the discussions at Talk:American may be of interest to you. -- Nataly a 14:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Please don't start diatribes on the help desk.  Corvus cornix  talk  01:59, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Edit on a template doesn't appear
I edited this template today, but for some reason, the edit I made doesn't appear on this page. I tried refreshing and pressing Ctrl+F5, but nothing helps. What should I do? RaLo18 15:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I see your updated version now, without a problem. If you still can't see it, then you may want to try purging the cache. - Jredmond (talk) 16:43, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * That is what he has done. No offence, but read the question. StewieGriffin!  &bull; Talk Sign 17:10, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I believe there is a difference between Wikipedia:Purge and Wikipedia:Bypass your cache. --Onorem♠Dil 17:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Formatting questions: and "collapsible"
I have a couple of questions on the subject of Wikiformatting in regards to a revised version of the WikiProject F1 newsletter that I am constructing in my sandbox. I would be grateful for any assistance. Thanks,-- Diniz (talk)  17:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Is it possible to make the format display more than four images in a row before a second row is automatically started?
 * 2) The newsletter as a whole is currently class="collapsible collapsed" Is it possible for sections within it to remain collapsed when the newsletter is opened, similar to the mechanism used in this template?
 * I have worked question #1 out myself, but help would still be gladly received on the second one.-- Diniz (talk)  19:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You can use hidden. --——  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  19:13, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much!-- Diniz (talk)  19:33, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Self Bio
I would like to know where I need to go to start my self bio?

17:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)82Gemini (talk)
 * Have you read our notability guidelines to see if you would warrant an article? Also, do you think you're capable of writing about yourself from a neutral point of view? If you said yes to both, then see Your first article. Glass Cobra  17:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Welcome! Before starting a bio, please review this guide. It is generally not a good idea to write an article on yourself. If you are notable, you may want to ask another editor to write a neutral article about you.  TN ‑ X - Man  17:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Or did you mean a short bio to identify yourself to other Wikipedia editors, but not to appear as an encyclopedic article? If so, the answer is to post it at your user page - see User Page. Olaf Davis | Talk 18:00, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Correct Broken Web Links
Dear Web Site Owner / Webmaster, The Baltimore County government web site has moved to http://www.baltimorecountymd.gov. Please update the following web page to use the correct web address: http://www.indopedia.org/Baltimore_County,_Maryland.html http://www.indopedia.org/Baltimore_County.html Thanks in advance. Paul —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.39.173.54 (talk) 19:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The links you give are for Indopedia, an independent web site that mirrors some of Wikipedia's content. We have no control over their pages.  Our article on Baltimore County, Maryland has the correct link.  --——  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  20:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Listing an editor's contributions to an article
Is there any way to view just my own, or another editor's, contributions to an article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TimBuck2 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * There is probably a way, but I know of no simple way. See the links under WP:EIW for some decidedly non-simple ways to list just about anything from Wikipedia's database. --Teratornis (talk) 16:09, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You might try asking on WP:VPT, where a larger number of technically-inclined Wikipedians hang out. --Teratornis (talk) 16:11, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You can search for previous instances of this question:
 * For example, someone recently asked this on:
 * Village pump (technical)/Archive 39
 * The answers aren't hugely better than what I wrote originally (see the links under WP:EIW). For example, you could use the API to construct such a query. --Teratornis (talk) 16:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, the simple answer seems to be "No". :) Thanks for the replies. TimBuck2 (talk) 20:32, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The answers aren't hugely better than what I wrote originally (see the links under WP:EIW). For example, you could use the API to construct such a query. --Teratornis (talk) 16:34, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, the simple answer seems to be "No". :) Thanks for the replies. TimBuck2 (talk) 20:32, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

External link???
When I made this edit I had to type in a password to prove I'm a human being because the edit allegedly added a new external link. But it didn't, the edit just added two Wikipedia-internal templates. What's going on? 85.178.39.202 (talk) 20:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The edit had the effect of adding the toolserver link for the coordinates in the top right corner of the page. -- zzuuzz (talk) 20:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, since there's no chance of that being spam, can't the password protection be turned off for that template?


 * There is no CAPTCHA requirement for logged in and autoconfirmed editors. --——  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  21:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

RfC artificially kept alive
This RfC is artificially kept alive with additions to the text so that the 30 days for the bot are never reached. The result is that I am eternally under review. What can be done to get the RfC closed? Guido den Broeder (talk) 20:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The main talk discussion for the RFC had its last comment posted on 7 June 2008. Hence edit to the RFC itself by WhatamIdoing just 1 day later, on 8 June, clearly not trying to artificially keep alive a RFC within a 30-day timeframe. Your "additions" should therefore have been "addition", as there is just a solitary edit by WLU to the RfC after 16 days. Hence single edit, no evidence systematic campaign to keep the RfC open, and at just a 16-day edit nor any clear evidence of "gaming" the RfC bot for closure. Your recent editing on a range of pages has I note been civil, constructive and I think all past issues on the RfC can/will quietly age and be archived in due course:-) I agree WLU's final concluding from the talk:RfC to the RfC been after a short gap, but I can't see there are further views for WLU to add support/disagreement to, and there are no current/new conduct issues that anyone could add to the talk page. Edit dates from, say, 10th May are:

09:11, 7 June 2008 Guido den Broeder 06:36, 7 June 2008 WhatamIdoing 00:54, 7 June 2008 Guido den Broeder 00:29, 7 June 2008 WhatamIdoing 22:55, 6 June 2008 Davidruben 21:57, 6 June 2008 Guido den Broeder 21:33, 6 June 2008 Davidruben 10:22, 6 June 2008 Guido den Broeder 09:59, 6 June 2008 Gordonofcartoon 09:39, 6 June 2008 Guido den Broeder 08:50, 6 June 2008 Guido den Broeder 08:49, 6 June 2008 Guido den Broeder 09:29, 31 May 2008 Davidruben 09:24, 31 May 2008 Davidruben 22:36, 30 May 2008 Carcharoth 20:56, 30 May 2008 Davidruben 13:15, 22 May 2008 Guido den Broeder 12:55, 22 May 2008 Gordonofcartoon 12:22, 22 May 2008 Guido den Broeder 11:30, 22 May 2008 Gordonofcartoon 08:26, 22 May 2008 Guido den Broeder 02:01, 11 May 2008 Davidruben 00:41, 11 May 2008 ErikWarmelink 20:39, 24 June 2008 WLU 21:56, 8 June 2008 WhatamIdoing 21:54, 8 June 2008 WhatamIdoing 09:36, 3 June 2008 Athaenara 13:29, 24 May 2008 Gordonofcartoon 10:04, 24 May 2008 ErikWarmelink 00:48, 22 May 2008 Gordonofcartoon
 * Talk:RfC || RfC itself
 * }
 * The RfC is winding down, albeit a couple weeks slower than you might like, but that's hardly "eternally". I'm unclear whether the RfC Bot looks at the last signature's edit date or the edit history itself - but should there be any subsequent spurious edits to the RfC, I'd support a manual triggering of the User:RFC_bot from 29th July. I've no idea how though - User:RFC bot impies manually sorting out the tagging on archiving a RfC isn't straight forward - so probably one would need to ask User talk:Messedrocker who maitains that bot :-) David Ruben Talk 00:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've no objection to the RFC being closed, I wasn't aware there's a 30 day limit or whatever. WP:IAR/WP:UCS - close it on July 8th (or now, as ye like).  WLU (talk) 00:49, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thought as much. I didn't intend to blame anyone for it. The question is how, technically, can the RfC be closed.
 * The addition by WhatamIdoing was completely irrelevant to the RfC as it existed as he addressed an entirely different matter than the initiator. The same goes for the additions by Gordonofcartoon and ErikWarmelink. It shows that the effect of an open RfC is that users will add to it. Guido den Broeder (talk) 07:17, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, yes. That's kinda the point of having an RfC. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 17:14, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

The RFC expiration date doesn't have to do with comments added to the section, it has to do with the initial date defined in the template transclusion itself. You end an RFC by removing the RFC tag. MessedRocker (talk) 21:17, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What tag? I see no tag. Guido den Broeder (talk) 22:45, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ohhh, this is one of those RFCs where there's a subpage. Sorry, I don't really know anything about those. MessedRocker (talk) 01:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

No answering yet ...
No need to continue this discussion. Answers provided, further debate over user's actions on another Wiki are off-topic for the Help desk. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 17:19, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Because of mistaken blocking my talk pages in Holland and Spain, I asked here for the reason after phoning up to the Foundation's Headquarters in USA (SF) n° 00/1.415.839.6885 as I did before, but no answering received yet from mr. Muro de Aguas and mrs. Ciell, I was advised to probabely get informed here, and so in the meantime awaiting still "from no reply" for reaction with regards ... Truly yours D.A. Borgdorff by 86.83.155.44 (talk) 20:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC) PS: I told there already that I didn't have an e-mail at my disposal.
 * If you want to be unblocked, you must request that on every wiki that you are blocked on individually. The Foundation has no control over it, and they cannot tell you why - it says in the block log. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 21:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, but your suggestion is impossible to attempt locally, because of just being talk-page blocked there as well. So I wrote those admins involved here on the en:wiki about matters without sofar being answered adequately. Those reasons were just very contestable imho: D.A. Borgdorff mostly used to speak Dutch. 86.83.155.44 (talk) 21:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC) Thanks again mr. Calvin 1998.!

Do I have to better for instance try going to meta:wiki with most of the questions? D.A. Borgdorff : 86.83.155.44 (talk) 22:10, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think they could help you any more than we can. As Calvin said, you have to handle it on the Holland and Spain Wikipedias. You seem to have got yourself stuck in a hole that there is no escape from. —teb728 t c 22:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * nl:Wikipedia is a warzone. The nl:Arbcom has just suspended their work because they, too, are under constant attack. Users with slightly different views like D.A. Borgdorff get blocked over nothing with no way out, and are then followed to wherever they resurface. Guido den Broeder (talk) 22:32, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Let me just state that Mr.B. was blocked on nl: for good reasons, as he had been several times before. He then tried to pull the same tricks on de:, but the mods over there just deleted all of his garbage (which is all he writes lately) quite fast. He is also blocked on es:, for posting copyrighted material and endlessly edit-warring over that. He has been complaining ever since, on talk pages etc. on more WP's than anyone knows of; always posing as a victim  of others, and he still does not understand that it's all his own fault. Don't let him fool you. - Erik Baas (talk) 01:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Will you please don't attack me here again, as you did on 7 wiki's with all that false accusations? You are 'one' of the origens of (nl:) problems with your very aggressive tone and always with your 'reverting' getting much nice persons into trouble. In Germany you constantly edited in my texts up to more than 15 times reverting, so my Asylum-de:-page being destroyed there too, where Robotje did the same in Spain on mr. Pling's page about our National Memorial Poem. The last being very painful for many, many people in our Netherlands by the National Conmemoration on the 4th of May about WWII.! → I can't speak about this furthermore being 'shut-up' so. Sincerely by D.A. Borgdorff from 86.83.155.44 (talk) 09:09, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for proving my point. And yes, I did revert many of your edits, mainly because they were just vandalism or - in the case of your German talk page - insults and lies about me. This has been going on for months; any four-year-old would have understood by now that such is not allowed and not accepted, why don't you ? - Erik Baas (talk) 11:59, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Though asked to stop here mr. Baas, apparently you continuously going on to damaging me: stating the reverse of what has really happened. I 'll not further respond to those indictments and stalking here anymore. With regards: \ D.A. Borgdorff 86.83.155.44 (talk) 12:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC) = last apology.


 * The block on es:Wikipedia is contested. On nl:Wikipedia, he was blocked for correcting his signature. Guido den Broeder (talk) 07:13, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Apart from being somewhat "aged", I 'll - unfortunately - have to agree with mr. Den Broeder's statement on ample matters involved, consequences of which are blocking ups included. Though - thank you too: TEB728 s.s.t.t. for your reaction with high Esteem from D.A. Borgdorff, and by n° 86.83.155.44 (talk) 22:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Timeout, Gentlemen. The answer to D.A. Borgdorff’s request is that we are unable to help him here. Therefore the merits of his editing (and other people’s editing) are off topic here. —teb728 t c 09:24, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Both Pling and D.A. Borgdorff have just been unblocked on es:Wikipedia, as it transpired that no copyright had been violated. Guido den Broeder (talk) 13:58, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

adding/writing an article to wikipedia
How do you write and add an article about something? Yianimal (talk)yianimal —Preceding comment was added at 21:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The article wizard is probably the most helpful tool, as it provides a step-by-step guide to article creation. See also your first article and Tutorial. Hope this helps, and welcome! Best, PeterSymonds (talk)  21:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

How to move page?
How to move a page? AlwaysOnion (talk) 21:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * See WP:MOVE. In short, just click on "move" on the top of the article and follow the instructions from there. Make sure your move is backed up by consensus or a guideline or policy, though. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  21:44, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * (ec)When you account is four days old from creation, you will automatically enter the "autoconfirmed" user group. In this group, you will have the ability to move pages, with the "move" tab (which appears in the top row of tabs, to the right of the "history" tab). If you have a particular page in mind now, let me know. If it's controversial, see Requested moves. Best, PeterSymonds (talk)  21:46, 24 June 2008 (UTC

I dont see any move button! HElp!!! AlwaysOnion (talk) 21:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That's because your account isn't four days old yet. In another two days it will appear. It's locked to prevent vandalism from new and unregistered users, but after four days and ten edits (the latter of which you already have), you will become autoconfirmed and have the ability to move pages. :) Best, PeterSymonds (talk)  21:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I want to move Jan Polák to Jan Polak. And Jan Polák (defender) to Jan Polák.

AlwaysOnion (talk) 21:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Joining a Discussion
I wanted to join the discussion on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Farmer_in_the_Dell but was unable to find a way to ask my question. There is no indication on the page that discussion has been blocked. Is there something that I have overlooked?

Thanks Jhswalwell (talk) 21:47, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, you mean the top one? The first comment on a talk page is not usually placed in a section header, and doesn't have an "edit" tab on the right hand side. You need to click "edit this page" at the top, which will give you access to the whole page, to make your comment. Best, PeterSymonds (talk)  21:51, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You can also set your preferences to place a side edit tab for the first section of a page; go to the Gadgets tab-->User interface gadgets--->check the box for "Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page". You can also go to the lead section directly by finding the URL of an existing section edit tab, then navigate to that address but change the url end from  etc. to  . Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Isaac Burkett
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Foxacabra (talk • contribs) 22:13, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello. This page is for asking question about using Wikipedia. If you are trying to create the article you posted here, this is not the way to do it. Please see Your first article for some instructions about article creation. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

How Do I edit a Semi Protected Page?
Greetings Wikipedia,

I work for Playboy Enterprises, and would like to edit the "Playboy" article. However, this page is semi-protected due to vandalism. How do I go about editing a page that is semi-protected? Your time and answers are much appreciated.

Thank you,

MissJune1979 (talk) 22:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)MissJune1979


 * Hi MissJune1979. See WP:Autoconfirmed. This is a group that editors automatically enter when their account is four days old from creation, and has 10 edits. As a member of the autoconfirmed user group, you will be able to edit semi-protected pages. See also User access levels for the full list of user rights. Best, PeterSymonds (talk)  22:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * (E/C) You cannot edit a semi-protected page until you are autoconfirmed; that is, until you have made at least ten edits and your account is four days old (there is a current poll to increase the autoconfirm threshold to 20 edits and seven days). Please note with regard to your stated aim of editing the Playboy article that you have a conflict of interest. We very strongly encourage you to avoid editing Wikipedia in areas where there is a conflict of interest that would make your edits non-neutral (biased). Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy states that all articles must represent views fairly and without bias, and conflicts of interest do significantly and negatively affect Wikipedia's ability to fulfill this requirement. It would be a good idea to instead post on the article's talk page what you think should be changed (supporting your changes with reference to reliable sources), and let an uninvolved editor decide whether to make the changes or not. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

The autoconfirmed time period is meant to keep people with vandalism on their minds from quickly creating and account and being able to vandalize sensitive pages. Mac Davis (talk) 23:21, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * See also FAQ/Business. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:27, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Templates and new external links captcha
What's with the new external links captcha when adding a template that contains an external link to a page, like here? Wouldn't it be possible to exclude the captcha from external links transcluded from a template? 66.194.104.5 (talk) 22:52, 24 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It helps prevent spam. You don't have to deal with the CAPTCHA if you are logged in and autoconfirmed.  --——  Gadget850 (Ed)  <sup style="color:darkblue;">talk  -  00:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)