Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2008 June 9

= June 9 =

Helping nominating Allegations of Israeli Apartheid for deletion
I did the standard deletion process tag but that was deleted. The neutrality tag was also deleted but I re-added that. I've tried several times to delete it according to the manual, but I've been having some difficulties. I've seen some strong support to delete the article, and I personally feel it is a good candidate for deletion. If someone has the patience to guide me through this process I'd be very appreciative. And for those who want to know, I've been editing for more than 6 months. Only recently did I actually register a username. here is the mentioned article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_Israeli_apartheid Wikifan12345 (talk) 01:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)thanks for any response
 * Could you provide a rationale for deleting the article? Also, for those interested, there are two Arbitration cases that are relevant: Requests for arbitration/Allegations of apartheid & Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles. &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 01:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok. 1) Support. Vast majority of people who were involved in the nomination process (the most recent one) voted for delete. 2) It is politically biased. Article is thoroughly sourced, but article is over-dependent on biased sources.  Many have preferred the term propaganda piece, and I agree with them.  3)The article has been in clean up limbo for more than a year, but nobody has made any real attempt to do a write-up.  All in all, I think it is a perfect candidate for deletion.  I can't think of any other reason why it should stay other than the potential to be cleaned, which as far as I can tell won't happen any time soon.  If I see some pursuit by other members to fix this article, I'll gladly drop my want to delete this article.  thanks for the quick response.  Wikifan12345 (talk) 02:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * update: Also I've recently learned that several of the original authors of the article have been banned/disciplined for wikipedia violations. I don't know how relevant that is but I thought I should let you know!  Wikifan12345 (talk) 02:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ The AfD can be found here: Articles for deletion/Allegations of Israeli apartheid (8th nomination). &mdash;  The Hand That Feeds You :Bite 02:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Admin help may be required at Steve Peters
A new editor has, I think, gone about the creation of the Steve Peters disambig page the wrong way. The page about the politician was there first with an edit history and talk page. I think he should have created Steve Peters (disambiguation) as the disambig page, rather than copy and paste the original page to Steve Peters (politician). Can an admin fix this -- I don't want to mess it up any further. Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 02:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears to be corrected by GlassCobra, as there is now a disambig page at Steve Peters. Let me know if this helps. Cheers!  TN ‑ X - Man  03:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, excellent thank you. – ukexpat (talk) 03:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Disappearance of an entry...
Hi, the wiki entry on "Idol Backstage", an Australian television show, has disappeared entirely. But it doesn't even show up in the deletion log so I can't be sure what's happened. There's just no trace of it whatsoever. Any ideas what's going on...? Many thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tassieboy92 (talk • contribs) 04:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * it was made into a WP:REDIRECT .  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 04:08, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears to be the work of User:Giggy which decided that the article did not have enough notability on it's own, and instead setup the redirect to the main show, Australian Idol. Tiggerjay (talk) 04:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Wisdom89 and Tiggerjay.

How did you find out who deleted the article, and when? And how do I appeal such a unilateral declaration of "non-notability"? It was an article about one of the biggest online shows in the world from the most popular television franchise in the world, Idol. There are many articles with less notable subjects than that!

If you could advise me how I go about trying to have the article reinstated, I'd appreciate it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.124.83 (talk) 08:53, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi. The best way would be to recreate it from the last version pre-redirect, but supplying references to prove its notability - see WP:N for details. -mattbuck (Talk) 08:57, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you go to the page Idol Backstage you will see that it bring you to Australian Idol and you will see (Redirected from Idol Backstage) at the top of the page. When you click on Idol Backstage you'll see a new, different page - this shows the redirect. From here you can click on the History tab at the top and see that User:Giggy made the note regarding (not independantly notable) and when you click on Compare Selected Versions you can see that he replaced the content with the redirect script. You can click on "Undo" to revert back to the older edit, but be sure to use an edit summary. Tiggerjay (talk) 16:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Box Art and Screenshots for Video Games
What is the rule about finding a picture of the box art and screenshots on the internet? Do I actually need to take the pictures and screenshots myself? Or can I use anything I find?

EX: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_of_Nations:_Thrones_and_Patriots, Box art upper-right, screenshots lower-left.

Thanks for any help, Nkot (talk) 06:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * You can generally take them from internet sources, as long as you attribute and add a fair use rationale. That being said, it's probably preferable for screenshots to be self-made. -mattbuck (Talk) 08:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

What to do
In the recent changes I often see ip addresses changing dates or number facts in articles. What it the standard response to this. I haven't the time to check every one of those facts to make sure its correct. Is the typical thing to revert the edit unless they have given a reason for the change in the edit log? Rhodopsin drinker (talk) 09:49, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it depends. Sometimes, an IP deliberately introduces incorrect info (saying that the moon landing took place in 1869 instead of 1969). I'll revert those edits. Other info I'll look up before changing (correcting an athlete's height by an inch, something along those lines). I try to assume good faith, whether its an IP or registered user. I hope this helps. Cheers!  TN ‑ X - Man  11:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You can also post something on the talk page of the article to ask people who may know more about the subject if that is really true or not (and even if they don't know, it at least alerts them to it). -- Nataly a 12:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Wiki information pop-ups on other homepages
Hi

How do you add the feature that let you have "information Pop-ups" from wiki to your own site. (like the pop ups that come on some sites when you move your mouse over a specific name etc.) 170.140.120.21 (talk) 14:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm petty sure that those pop ups are made possible by third party software and/or services. For instance, I think http://www.snap.com actually advertises the ability have "Snap Shots" of Wikipedia content on personal/commercial blogs and/or sites using their software. You might also want to check out http://www.websnapr.com; they provide those kind of pop-ups as well. Keep in mind, however, that we're not endorsing or ensuring the quality of either of these sites; it's up to you to decide what third party product or service to use. GO-PCHS-NJROTC  (Messages) 15:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, try asking over at Reference desk/Computing since the Help desk is on how to use Wikipedia, and the people overa t Reference Desk can help you with how to do something with your computer (website). Tiggerjay (talk) 16:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You mean the navigation pop-ups? Add the following code to your monobook.js (or other appropriate js page for the skin you are using on that wiki). Note that it will not work on some wikis if the appropriate modules (or whatever they are called) are not installed. For example, it does not work on lostpedia.com:

Reuse license on images
I want to upload a self made image to Wikipedia under the recommended license, but I want to reserve just a few "common sense" rights (I don't want my image to be used for any malicious purposes). I'm think I know how to do that (put the restriction with the description), but I just want to make sure I'm doig this right before I save it. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (Messages) 15:46, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't think that is permitted under the conditions of free use, also see WP:ICT Tiggerjay (talk) 16:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Help
Is it possible to add a parameter for the background colour of the infobox? (Not the bar along the top, the entire infobox) Mr. Green  Hit Me Up  Userboxes  16:28, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * If you are creating you own infobox, then yes. If you are using an existing box, then it depends.  What infobox is this?  --——  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  16:30, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Template:Infobox Mr. Green  Hit Me Up  Userboxes  17:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * See the section on "Optional CSS styling". You can use "bodystyle" to set parameters for the body of the box, for example: "|bodystyle  = background:#ccf;".  --——  Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  17:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * cooly thanks.... Mr. Green  Hit Me Up  About Me  17:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * wait hang on....where do I put that code? Mr. Green  Hit Me Up  About Me  17:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Photo question
When is it appropriate to place a tag under a photo to give the author credit? E.g. When should there be a "Photo by John Doe" caption underneath the photo? I can't find the wikipedia guidelines on it. smooth0707 (talk) 17:11, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Generally speaking, the attribution's put on the image description page, rather than on the page that uses the image. --ais523 18:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

query.php
it says I need that extension to install Lupin popups correctly.What extension is that?  Mr. Green  Hit Me Up  About Me  17:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * mw:Extension:BotQuery. --ais523 17:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * do you have an internal link?that link is blocked from me.  Mr. Green  Hit Me Up  About Me  17:45, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * no, because it isn't documented on Wikipedia; the MediaWiki wiki is where the extensions are documented. However, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/query.php (which is query.php itself) prints out an informative error message if you visit it directly. --ais523 17:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * where can I find that code so I can put it in myu monobook.js?  Mr. Green  Hit Me Up  About Me  17:52, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't. query.php is something on the server (which the Wikimedia server admins have already installed), not per-user. So you don't have to install it, if the script thinks something's wrong with it, most likely it's because your security settings that are blocking external links are also blocking query.php from working from your computer. --ais523 18:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The extension needs to be installed on the wiki, not on your monobook - I think we're confused here, people answering this assumed you were running your own wiki and were trying to get popups to work there. It'll work fine here with just the popups code because the extension is already installed

but whenever I try to use lupin popups on pictures, it doesn't work. Mr. Green  Hit Me Up  About Me  18:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * For images I use User:Zocky's picture popups -- User:Zocky/PicturePopups.js – ukexpat (talk) 18:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Zocky's doesn't work for Internet Explorer does it?  Mr. Green  Hit Me Up  About Me  18:47, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not at the moment, but apparently Zocky is looking into it. – ukexpat (talk) 20:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Danger Guys Series - Notable?
Someone has just created Danger Guys Series. I can't see any reason why its notable but its got several results on Google. WOuld someone mind looking at the article and marking it as non notable if appropriate. (Sorry if this isn;t the right place to ask this) Anonymous101 (talk) 18:03, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It definitely needs cleanup, but google turns up some good sources. I'd probably !vote keep at AfD. Best, PeterSymonds (talk)  18:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, as it stands, it does not appear to be notable, since there are no sources listed. However, if there are sources that can be added, feel free to jump in and list them. The best notability guide for books can be found here. Cheers!  TN ‑ X - Man  18:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I'll ry and add some references. Anonymous101 (talk) 19:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

toolserver problem
Am I the only one who gets an error message when I try this link? J.delanoy gabs adds 18:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No, S1 and S3 seem to be down, see what happens when you try this link:
 * "Due to technical problems, s1 is unavailable now"
 * "Due to technical problems, s3 is unavailable now"
 * So it is not only you. Woody (talk) 18:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I get
 * onoes!! some kind of database error occured ((2003, "Can't connect to MySQL server on 'sql-s3' (111)"))... please try again later
 *  Due to technical problems, s1 is unavailable now 
 *  Due to technical problems, s3 is unavailable now 
 * ...... Dendodge  .. Talk Help 19:27, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks like they're back online now, all links work using repeated attempt. Tiggerjay (talk) 22:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

image
im creating a page about my medical school fraternity and I would like to upload a picture that i found in our records in the attic. I scanned it and it belongs to me. It is our crest. What do i have to do to be able to upload this picture to our website? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boryanaj (talk • contribs) 19:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi there. First, I'm not sure if such an article would meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. But if you want to upload an image, just click "Upload file" in the toolbox below the search bar, and you will find instructions from there. Good luck, and if you have any more questions, just leave a message on my talk page. Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  19:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Please clarify what you mean by "our website". If you mean Wikipedia, then you can follow the above instructions to upload the image (and see Help:Image for more - and be prepared for other editors to challenge and possibly delete the upload if it isn't notable enough to be on Wikipedia). If you mean some other site (such as a site run by your school or fraternity), then you can either ask the site's administrators, or give us the URL of the site and maybe one our resident geniuses can figure it out. --Teratornis (talk) 21:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears he is referring to Alpha kappa kappa‎ on Wikipedia. —teb728 t c 21:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Non-admin accounts can move pages over redirects??
A week or two ago, I standardized the article titles for "name (Playboy Playmate)" to "name (model)" since this is a more generic disambiguator and these women have usually done more modelling than just Playboy. Today, a non-admin (as far as I can tell) performed this edit moving the article back over a redirect. Was I wrong in thinking that non-admins could do this? What's going on here? Dismas |(talk) 20:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, a nonadmin may move a page over a redirect, if and only if the page to be moved over only has one revision in it. Nan oha A's Yu ri     Talk, My master 20:44, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think what you mean is that it can be done if the redirect has only one revision. —teb728 t c 21:06, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * As part of WP:BRD now would be a great time to discuss. There is nothing wrong with your BOLD edit, nor his REVERT, necessarily - simply discuss both of your rationales for your action. Tiggerjay (talk) 22:07, 9 June 2008 (UTC)