Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2008 March 7

= March 7 =

Infobox
How do I remove the red link for 2007 in the Wake County, North Carolina article? When I try to remove the link, it screws up the layout of the box/removes other information. Maybe I'm just not doing it right, but it seems like it would be simple...or maybe I need to take Wiki-101. Gracias for the help. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 00:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * See the documentation for Infobox U.S. County. There was no US census in 2007. If your number is from another source that year then use census estimate yr instead of census yr. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The latest consensus date you could use would be 2000 for that link to work.  Gtstricky Talk or C 00:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I made the link blue; there was another parameter in case there isn't an article for the census year. Cheers, Master of Puppets   Call me MoP! ☺  00:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The population estimate was from the Wake County government, so I guess it's appropriate to use in the infobox even though it's not from the actual U.S. Census. I'm trying to get that article to G.A. status, so thanks for the help. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 00:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Bathrobe
I have raised a point on this talk page- am i right in what I have said?

thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fynci Mynci (talk • contribs) 00:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Not really. I think the image of the young man in the brown bathrobe is the best one to use for illustrative purposes, imho. Public Menace (talk) 16:12, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The reason a lot of users are so defensive when it comes to that pic, is because it's a Wikipedian in-joke.--TBC ♣§♠ !?!  19:52, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * And a funny one. Mike H. Fierce! 13:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Is not allowing students to go to the bathroom legal?
Today in many schools teachers are not allowing their students to go to the bathroom. For example, in my school my teacher says we are not allowed to go because a handful of students broke a bathroom rule. Is it right to punish all the other kids? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryanmcdono (talk • contribs) 01:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know if any laws cover this, and it depends on where you live, but I don't think it is a gross violation of basic human rights. In the future, please ask questions that aren't about using Wikipedia at the reference desk. Cheers, Master of Puppets   Call me MoP! ☺  01:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, Wikipedia cannot provide legal advice. --h2g2bob (talk) 01:06, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Somebody erased a talk page.
Isn't that vandalism? How do I undo it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_podracers Superstarwarsfan (talk) 01:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It's unacceptable for an anonymous user to do so - however registered users may blank their talk pages if they feel they've acnowledged the warnings/comments.  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 01:37, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Ideally article talk pages should not be blanked. The closest is archival, but blanking (aside from removal of mass spam/vandalism) is not allowed. Of course, there are exceptions (office actions, oversights). Master of Puppets   Call me MoP! ☺  01:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * (e/c)It was the talk page of an article. I've restored it, but Superstarwars fan, you could have done it to.  Just go to the history tab at the top, and select "undo" next to the edit you want to reverse.  Add an appropriate edit summary, save, and you're done.  Practice in the WP:SANDBOX if you're curious. --barneca (talk) 01:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * See also Help:Reverting. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:40, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * In my experience, it is wrong to revert talk pages in all cases. This usually happens when a user has a lot of warnings. I blanked my user talk page today to cut away all of the Wikipedia newsletters that built up every week or two during my period of inactivity. In some cases, blanked talked pages can be grounds for reverting. Mac Davis (talk) 02:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Although the question was about an article talk page and has been addressed by Barneca and Primehunter, I feel I have to respond to Wisdom89's post about blanking user talk pages. The guideline User page says "Policy does not prohibit users from removing comments from their own talk pages, although archiving is preferred. The removal of a warning is taken as evidence that the warning has been read by the user. Deleted warnings can still be found in the page history."  I object to the statement that there is any difference between anonymous and logged-in users as far as this goes.  There may be some specific types of warnings (such as a block notice) which state right in the warning that it's not supposed to be removed for a certain length of time, but whether the user is anonymous or logged-in should make no difference – I don't think any policy or guideline makes such a distinction.  I don't quite understand Mac Davis' comment – not sure whether by "revert" you mean removing comments from a talk page, or restoring the comments after the user has removed them from their own talk page.  The latter could perhaps be considered harassment or editwarring. –Coppertwig (talk) 03:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, I believe you are correct regarding a regular anon user. However, if the anon is a dynamic/shared IP address belonging to that of a company or university and has received myriad warnings over many months, my understanding was that the warnings should stay for convenience. Obviously after sometime, when the page becomes excessively bloated, it may be archived, or the earlier messages removed. Is this more or less correct?  Wisdom89  ( T |undefined /  C ) 03:40, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Link to foreign language Wiki, yet again
I'd like to add an external link to the German entry "Augenmusik." [Here] it is, large as life. But it seems kind of klutzy to put it as an external link, when it's in Wiki. I've looked here on a Help desk archive, and then managed to figure out to use

Augenmusik

and

,

but they both come up empty, so I'm obviously doing something wrong.

Any advice?

Best wishes, Shlishke (talk) 03:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Try Augenmusik —teb728 t c 04:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, Template:Otherlanguages does exist (without the space), but as far as I can tell is a template on Wiktionary, not here at Wikipedia.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * For more details, see: Help:Interlanguage links. --Teratornis (talk) 07:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

something
0k how do you like make an article? you know like i want to write stuff —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frannybobanny (talk • contribs) 04:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.


 * Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.


 * If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Your first article and How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Psoriatic Arthritis page
I don't want to get into editing wiki pages, I'm not an expert on anything. I have recently been diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis. According to my rheumatologist, some foods can exacerbate flare-ups. He's suggested an elimination diet to rule out foods that do not cause flare-ups.

Fine, did that. It sucked. But anyway, I seem to be sensitive to corn products. Yes, corn. Heaven help me, it's in everything, either as corn syrup or corn starch.

I am asking if one of your editors who is more knowledgable about nutrition in general could start (or edit an existing page) to include the different names that corn products can be listed as, as well as, any other foods that may be similar enough to cause similar reaction.

Not only would this be of benefit to those of us with corn sensitivities, but the other questionable food products that can cause flare-ups as well. It would be a great service to those of us surfing the net, hitting google and wiki, looking for more info about what kinds of foods to question in regards to daily pain.

Thank you, and good day.

No, no reply needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.91.86.158 (talk) 05:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * See Reference desk.-- TBC !?!  07:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * First, see our Medical disclaimer. Then read the Maize article (presumably you use the word "corn" in the American sense to mean "maize"). I don't see anything there resembling the list you seek of foods that contain maize (and such a list might violate WP:NOT), but the Maize section might help. For example:
 * A Zillion Uses for Corn
 * You might also try wikiindex:Category:Food. --Teratornis (talk) 07:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Article marked for deletion
Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yours_Emotionally

Dear Wikipedia administrators,

I am Sridhar Rangayan, director, co-writer and co-producer of the film Yours Emotionally. I just read with great consternation the discussion about deletion of article on this film. I am, frankly, yet trying to understand reasons for the dispute.

1) The film has been made, screened, reviewed, distributed. So how can there be a dispute about its existence?

2) The film has been reviewed by Variety- This definitely is a mainstream respectable publication ; Bay Area Reporter; East Bay Express; India Currents; India New England; Murphy's Movie Reviews; New York Times This Link is working!

3) News about the film features in prominent Indian newspapers, etc - Telegraph; Hindustan Times; Mumbai Mirror (Some links have been deleted, so links to their saved jpeg images are provided) Upperstall;

3) It has screened at more than 10 festivals - both queer (Frameline, NewFest, etc) and non-queer (IAAC, Seattle, Prague Bollywood Film Festival, etc):
 * Tasveer - 4th Independent South Asian Film Festival, Seattle, USA. October 6, 2007; 7.00pm
 * Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center- The Village, Renberg Theatre, Los Angeles. Jan 24th, 8-10pm
 * Santa Fe Film Festival. Santa Fe Film Center, Santa Fe, USA. December 14, 7.45pm
 * Yours Emotionally! (Rialto Filmtheater, Amsterdam, Netherlands.). November 5, 4.45pm
 * Sixth Annual IAAC Film Festival (Maya Deren Theatre, New York, USA.). November 4, 6pm
 * "A MILLION DIFFERENT LOVES!?" (Gdansk, Poland). November 2-4, 2006
 * "A MILLION DIFFERENT LOVES!?" (Lodz, Poland). October 22; 10.30 am
 * Prague Bollywood Festival, Prague. October 15; 8pm
 * Fire Island Fim and Video festival. Sept 13th - 16th 2006.
 * Frameline 30 - San Fransisco International LGBT Film Festival 2006. Sat, Jun 24, 6:00 pm -Roxie Film Centre.
 * NewFest 2006 The 18th New York LGBT Film Festival. Fri, Jun 9, 5:45 pm -AMC Loews 34th St Theatre 10.

c) The film has been distributed by a reputed distributor Waterbearer Films and can be found listed on several sites like Amazon ; TLA Videos ; Netflix ; Green Cine ; Facets Multimedia

The film is definitely a small budget indie film which doesn't have the backing of multi million dollar promotion and marketing, but it surely has a place in wikipedia. It is one of the few film that honestly depict the Indian homosexual scenario which still remains largely closeted. It is considered an useful resource for LGBT studies and indian queer cinema.

I request someone to please look at the above information and edit, modify the wikipedia pages of this film accordingly so that it is saved from deletion. I do not really know how all this information can be added to the wikipedia page, since I am not conversant with the formatting or appropriate langauge to be used. I hope someone helps out.

Thanks and regards

Sridhar Rangayan

Director

(e-mail removed) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sridhar Rangayan (talk • contribs) 06:48, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There's no need to worry. The article's been kept, apparently. -- TBC !?!  07:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * For future reference, making an argument to keep the article here doesn't help much. You should make your argument on the page discussing the deletion. --  k a i n a w &trade; 15:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Note that the discussion at Articles for deletion/Yours Emotionally was in July 2007 where there may have been fewer sources about the film. The discussion ended after 5 days and the article was kept. The article has the tag Unreferenced which adds the text: "Unverifiable material may be challenged and removed". The whole article is not going to be deleted because of that notice, but some parts might be removed if editors are unable to find a source for it. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, just noticed. All you'll have to then is add the references you've mentioned in your comment to the actual article. See WP:CITE for the details.--Tree Biting Conspiracy ♣§♠ !?!  17:03, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

question about mathematic formulae support
I am running wiki system on my Windows-XP-based computer and has implemented the mathematic formulae support. Everything runs well except one testing formula as below: $$\arctan x = {{\pi {\mathop{\rm sgn}} x} \over 2} - {1 \over x} + \sum_{x = 1}^\infty  \quad {\rm{for }}\left| x \right| > 1$$ I have checked the directory which stores the pictures of formulae. The image file of formula above was produced correctly, but not displayed correctly on the screen when I browsed my wiki site. Instead, it was displayed in the plain text like '\arctan x = {{\pi {\mathop{\rm sgn}} x} \over 2} - {1 \over x} + \sum_{x = 1}^\infty  \quad {\rm{for }}\left| x \right| > 1'. Could anyone help me about this bug? Thanks.:)

Note: I've tried other formulae and it works. That's really the point I confused. J n W talk 07:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * See Reference desk/Computing.-- TBC !?!  07:48, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

$$\arctan x = {{\pi {\mathop{\rm sgn}} x} \over 2} - {1 \over x} + \sum_{x = 1}^\infty  \quad {\rm{for }}\left| x \right| > 1$$


 * Works here. I'd make sure that you have the extension installed correctly. Unfortunately, we're not really the place to help you out with that, however if you check the Mediawiki site, you might be able to get some assistance there. I don't think the Reference Desk will do you much good. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 15:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * When the formula is in red like that, it is usually acompanied by a 'failed to parse' error. Immediately after this message but before the start of the formula, the parser states which piece of the formula it was unhappy with (unknown function etc).  My guess would be that you are running a different version of LaTeX support which is missing some feature or other supported here, but not for you.  Try taking out the {\mathop{rm sgn}} bit.  I don't see that in our documentation so I am guessing it is a recent addition.  Sp in ni  ng  Spark  22:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

How to set table max width
Is there a way to set a table so it grows no wider than 800 pixels (arbitrary figure just for example) on large browser windows, but resizes to 100% of smaller browser windows? I'm hearing some complaints about the default  setting for a list of episodes, and I'm figuring the 85% setting might be short changing readers with small screens. / edg ☺ ☭ 07:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems better not to specify any widths. There is no reason to make the table narrower than the regular text.--Patrick (talk) 15:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. There's no way to set a maximum width that changes depending on the screen resolution, because the website has no way to access that information. If you just don't specify a width, theoretically the table will fill out as wide as it can without spilling over the side of the screen. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 15:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

logging out
even after logging out my username still appears at the top. am i still logged in? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.209.158 (talk) 12:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * When you asked that question, you were logged out, according to the page history and SineBot. It's probably just a glitch with your internet browser. clearing your cache after logging out should do the trick. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 15:16, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Template for lack of an external link
I've been working on an article about a 1981 compliation album(see my sandbox), and I wanted to add an extenral link, but I've been having trouble finding an appropriate one. Is there a tag designed to request a link similar to one for incomplete lists? DanTD (talk) 13:40, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * External links? As in citations? If so, then add Template:Refimprove.--Tree Biting Conspiracy ♣§♠ !?!  14:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Or add Unreferenced if there are no references at all. Note there is a difference between references and external links. If you don't have any external links then don't make a section heading for it. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Indeed. Also, due to the lack of reliable sources, I'd suggest against creating it as a seperate article. Perhaps as a section of WBAB instead?--Tree Biting Conspiracy ♣§♠ !?!  16:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

chemistry
Why Zirconium phosphate changes its color from white into yellow after drying? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.163.146.11 (talk) 14:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * See Reference desk/Science.--Tree Biting Conspiracy ♣§♠ !?!  14:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

How can I create a dynamic wiki page
I am trying to create a section on a wiki page that's content is dynamic. Is there an extension or template that will, display the contents of a .txt file? I am hoping someone knows the answer to this as I have been searching the web for that last two hours looking for information on this. Basic goal is to place a text file in a directory, and have the contents displayed on a wiki page. The contents of the text file is a wiki formatted table. The txt file will change every day. Any help or direction will be appreciated. Thanks!


 * What would be the purpose? That kind of thing does not sound at all appropriate for Wikipedia, which is a reference work, not a newspage. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  16:27, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for getting back to me. The wiki page I am trying to create is part of an internal wiki that my company uses to document anything and everything about our system, problems/solutions and our client's details.  It has been a wonderful tool.  I am trying to automate publishing daily stats.  Thanks!

Atomicny17 (talk) 16:37, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This is the help desk for Wikipedia. I guess your wiki uses the same MediaWiki software. If you are able to automatically update a template or other wiki page with the text then you can transclude that where you want to see it. Wikipedia has many bots which can make automatic edits but I don't know how to make them. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This is actually a common problem for corporate wikis. Most companies already have many existing files in various formats, and also databases from which they would like to generate reports and display them on a wiki. The MediaWiki software, while generally excellent, lacks simple tools for importing typical business files and converting them to wikitext. However, many extensions are available; see: mw:Extension:Contents for something that may help. You can also use a bot as PrimeHunter suggested; corporate users of MediaWiki will find bots handy for making repetitive changes such as importing a text file's contents onto a wiki page every day. Bot programs are available in several popular scripting languages, such as Perl (User:Shadow1/perlwikipedia) and Python (Using the python wikipediabot). The bot programs are straightforward for a programmer to adapt to work with any MediaWiki wiki. Perhaps even a nonprogrammer could figure them out. --Teratornis (talk) 23:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

External Link check
Hey, how long to I keep have to pass a Turing Test whenever I add an external link? The garbled text is sometimes hard to read and it's flippin' annoying! User:Mr Lemon —Preceding comment was added at 16:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you please clarify what you mean (and sign your posts)? -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  16:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen what you describe but I guess it stops when your account is "autoconfirmed" which happens 4 days after it was created. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Err, there's a display of warped text I have to enter if I make an edit with an external link in it. After you click the "edit" button but before your changes are saved it crops up.  Anyways, if it continues past the four days, I'll pursue the matter futher. Mr Lemon  —Preceding comment was added at 16:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You describe a CAPTCHA. I didn't know Wikipedia uses them for new accounts adding external links. My account is old (and it's also an administrator account) so there are some things I don't see. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:46, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * User access levels claims: "They are also not required to answer a CAPTCHA at any time". It sounds like this has been changed and should be updated. I still guess it will stop after 4 days. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah unregistered users are required to answer one of those when the add external links, so that's probably it. Thanks. Mr Lemon  —Preceding comment was added at 17:17, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You have to fill out one when you make your account, but I have never had to do it any other time, and I am sorta new. ≈  Mi nd st or ms Kid  17:53, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Ebay seller is plagurizing Wikipedia
Dear Sirs,

Just contacting you to advise you that this low-life selling on Ebay is plagurizing, and copying word for word from your site to make his sales on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130196033983 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_and_the_Fate_of_Atlantis

I assume he does it all the time profiting at your expense all the time. Since he has over 3000 sales this maybe a crime. This buyer was very mean and abusive to me as an honest seller, and I have been watching his postings to see that he does not cheat other people. I trust you will do more than a slap on the wrist.

kkimerling's ebay store: http://stores.ebay.com/Media-Monster-Plus

Contact Information for alant2b :

I am reporting to ebay also.

Sincerely, Alan L Tisser —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.165.91.233 (talk) 17:46, 7 March 2008 (U TC)


 * Hi! Just to let you know, the help desk is about getting help with using Wikipedia only, not reporting plagiarism. If you believe that it is a serious issue, you can try the Reference Desk. Thanks! Fusion  Mix  17:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Redacted a bunch of personal info from the above. A look at the eBay page mentioned shows that there is, in fact, the required credit given at the top of the writeup - "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia." If my understanding of GFDL is correct, that's a valid use. (Overly wordy for a sales writeup, but that's just me.) Tony Fox (arf!) 18:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Not enough actually, unless it's made clear the GFDL is then binding on the subsequent purchaser should they re-use it. Moot point, probably, however. Pedro : Chat  23:48, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * See WP:REUSE for info. --h2g2bob (talk) 01:03, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Putting a box on a film page that contains poster and film info?
Hi. I'm making a new entry for a little known film, and want to put the box on the right side that has the poster, crew info, and imdb link. I see that box on every wiki page about a film nowadays, but I don't know how to make it. Can anyone help? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mathgrenades (talk • contribs) 20:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi! I think you're looking for the infobox film template. Here's an example from a page I recently worked on:

feel free to cut and paste into the article you're working on and edit the details as appropriate to the film you are referencing. Hope this helps. Mister Senseless&trade; (Speak - Contributions) 20:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

edit out

Can someone please tell me how to upload and post a picture to wikipedia article?
Need Help —Preceding unsigned comment added by The1edit (talk • contribs) 21:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Go to "Upload File" should be under the toolbox in the bottom left of your screen. The direction are pretty self-explanatory from there. -  Milk's   Favorite   Cookie  21:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Or go to Upload. ---CWY2190TC 21:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of my biography
I am the librettist to THE INMAN DIARIES. Posted the information on the "Arthur Crew Inman" entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Inman

The composer and the organization have hyperlinks. I tried to add a hyperlink to my name but it gets deleted.

The second time I added a link to a news review, quoting my name, so that it proves I'm authentic. http://www.intermezzo-opera.org/Publicity/Review-The%20Inman%20Diaries_Edge.htm

Am I still not qualified for an entry on Wikipedia?

Thank you. Jesse J. Martin

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mstrsims2 (talk • contribs) 22:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You can certainly add a wikilink to your name. Then, if someone sees it and is interested in writing about you, they may create an article about (You are advised not to create an article about yourself because of potential conflicts of interest). However, another editor is equally entitled to remove the wikilink if they believe someone is not likely to have an article written about them, perhaps for notability reasons. Perhaps you could discuss the issue on the talk page of the article, or of the editor who removed the link? However, I would advise against repeating re-adding it, as this may be seen as edit warring, which is very strongly discouraged.


 * On another note, the article Intermezzo - The New England Chamber Opera which you created, is a copyright violation of the organisation's website and is likely to be deleted as such. We do not allow copyright violations; if you wish to use the text on Wikipedia, see Donating Copyrighted Materials. -- Kateshort forbob  00:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Making a table from 4 columns
I am working a sandbox here and have put the names of the Blue Ridge Parkway tunnels with associated information in 4 columns. It appears to be a little wide, so I would like to put this information DIRECTLY (without having to retype everything) into a smaller table that fis easily onto a page. I have looked at this with different computers with different size screens and many times my 4 cloumns do not fit good onto a page (overflow-wraparound). Everything should be "tighter" together. Also does the words within the TABLE then count toward the total word-count (e.g. 1500 minimum for DYK)? Thanks. --Douglas Coldwell (talk) 22:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem with the content shoving over the the side seems to be caused by the second image. When I remove that and preview the page, it all fits quite nicely. I've reduced the image sizes to make sure they don't overlap the text. The columns should fit within the page regardless of screen size, however if you'd like to guarantee that everything fits, I'd recommend using a proper table instead of those columns. Using a table will also make it easier to see what information lines up with which tunnel.
 * As for word count, that's up to the DYK staff. I'd consider it to only be the actual article, that is, original prose that you have written yourself. Stuff in infoboxes and tables is just statistical, and provides only bare-bones information. <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 23:44, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, I do believe it is best to put it into a true TABLE. I am working on that now and so far it seems to be working out good. --Douglas Coldwell (talk) 00:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Good to hear. Let us know if you need any further help. :-) <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:blue">Hers <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:gold">fold  (t/a/c) 00:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I added a sortable table since it deals with lengths and heights. I also added convert templates that converts into metric.  The numbers below confused me, but if you have any problems, leave it on my talk page.  ---CWY2190TC 01:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)