Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2008 May 24

= May 24 =

Templates in their own auto-categories
Recently, a lot of auto-categorizing templates I've been working on seem to be deliberately categorized in the very categories they use, even when this ultimately doesn't make any sense given the template. For example, a redirect template might itself be categorized as a redirect. I'm quite convinced this isn't an error, because the same categories are printed twice, inside both the noinclude and the includeonly. Adding to my confusion, they are often given the sort key, which seems to be a redundant thing to do -- isn't that automatically the sort key of every single categorization?

So, um, can anyone enlighten me here? What, if anything, am I missing about templates and categories? $$\sim$$ Lenoxus " * " 00:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You asked two questions, and somewhat tricky ones at that, so check my answers carefully:
 * The R from abbreviation template does not seem to categorize itself the way you describe above, judging from the template code. What templates are you talking about? I looked at Category:Redirects from abbreviation and saw that it contains links to some redirects to templates (the actual templates are not in the category):
 * Template:R from alt name (a redirect to: R from alternative name)
 * Template:R from abb (a redirect to: R from abbreviation)
 * With respect to the sort key question, that causes the template's entry on the category page to sort by the portion of the template's name to the right of the colon character. Without the magic word, every template would sort under the letter T, because of the Template: namespace prefix. See: Help:Category.
 * --Teratornis (talk) 04:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for answering -- yes, that sounds right for the second one! As to the first, here's an example that's popped up: Template:R comics naming convention. I'm pretty sure there are others; in fact, I believe there were others, but I changed them in my haste, but since I've now seen so many of them, I'm wondering if there's some sort of convention I didn't know about, or if it somehow helps the maintainers of those categories. $$\sim$$ Lenoxus " * " 18:20, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, here's a more prominent (and probably older) example I just found: R from other capitalisation, which is currently in the categories and . I asked about it on the talkpage there, too, so answers should maybe come any day now...$$\sim$$ Lenoxus " * " 18:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Automatic categorising templates should be carefully and propely using and tags. For example: . . Stuff the template is doing for the page it is included into ..

That a category link is inside both and tags seems wrong to me.

Peet Ern (talk) 05:09, 26 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Pee…t. One thing I just noticed is that in most cases, the sort of categorization I'm talking about involes using a space for a sort key, so that the template appears at the top of its own category. While this is definitely useful in some respects, the same basic service is performed simply by linking to the template in the category's description. As it is, it seems more or less inaccurate sorting. So until someone provides a good explanation for it, I'm going to keep removing such categories and placing templates strictly in template categories, or categories to which the template otherwise officially belongs. $$\sim$$ Lenoxus " * " 01:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Transwiki bot?
Does anybody know why the automatic transwiki to wiktionary doesn't seem to be happening? I tagged this article with dict at 0:31 on May 21st, and when nothing had happened by 11:36 May 23rd switched over to Copy to Wiktionary just in case the first template I used was the problem. Since it's still here, I had a peak at Category:Copy to Wiktionary and see articles there that have been tagged since early May. If I've done something wrong, I'd be grateful for advice on how to fix it, and I'll go see what I can do for that backlog. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:00, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no idea, but I looked on Template talk:Copy to Wiktionary which seems to suggest that User:Connel MacKenzie might have something to do with it. I would be surprised if I'm telling you anything you didn't already know. I've never used this bot, but your question was looking lonely there with no answer, and I figured even a stupid answer is better than no answer. --Teratornis (talk) 04:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I persist in technical cluelessness, so any answer you could provide is better than what I could do myself. :) Alas, Connel hasn't edited in a while, and I don't do IRC. Maybe I can figure out how to transwiki to Wiktionary manually. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Disambiguation page needed
Would some kindly editor please create a disambiguation page for the term "Silver Comet"? There is an existing article by that name, which is about a roller coaster, and now an article I just created a few minutes ago about the former passenger train; I titled it "Silver Comet (train)."

There's also a "Silver Comet Trail" which might or might not need to be included on the disambig page, too.

This editor would be mighty appreciative of the help. I've been working about 10 hours today creating good content, and though I could probably figure out the disambig process eventually, my brain is fried and it's time for some grub. Thanks in advance. :-) Textorus (talk) 02:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Done! Since it didn't seem like either article was an obvious primary topic, I moved the rollercoaster article to Silver Comet (rollercoaster), and created the disambiguation page, linking to all three articles, at Silver Comet.  -- Nataly a  03:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I was creating it, but Natalya was ahead of me.-- RyRy5 ( talk  ♠  copy-edit ) 03:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks much, y'all, I really appreciate it. I wish somebody would rewrite the directions for creating disambig pages; the process is not at all clear to me.  :-)  Textorus (talk) 18:22, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Odd reference formatting
Cass Lake, Minnesota has some odd references, using coding that I've never seen before, and the references to the odd coding at the top don't display properly on the article itself. What is up with the coding, and what can be done about it? Nyttend (talk) 04:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That coding is the coding. Nothing really needs to be done really. It's no harm.-- RyRy5  ( talk  ♠  copy-edit ) 04:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Nyttend wasn't, I think, referring to the use of cite web but to the old and long deprecated ref num method of footnoting. I have converted those present in the article to the Cite.php, format. Nyttend, if you come across this again you might find User:Cyde/Ref converter useful. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 08:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Photos of dead people
Since Carol Willis is deceased, can we use the image found here for her article? Dismas |(talk) 05:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Copyright only expires when the work was published before 1923, and is not affected by the subject's death – see Image use policy. The image copyright is therefore still owned by Playboy, but if you sized down the image then it would probably work under a claim of non-free use. You'll have to have a better look at the site's copyright policy, though. haz (talk) 06:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't say it would be public domain just because the subject of the image is dead. Thank you for assuming that I can understand the copyright policies.  If it's wrapped in red tape, I don't get it.  That's why I came here.  Dismas |(talk) 06:37, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a bit of a delay since you asked the question, but I assume you're wondering whether the photo can be used as fair use now that the subject is dead. I think the answer is "sorta kinda maybe yesno a bit but not really". Since the main sticking point of fair use photos of living people is the possibility of a free alternative being made available, it's generally considered best to wait a while after the person's death to see if anyone comes forward with one ... or something. Is there anyone who may have photographed her recently who may be willing to freely license a photo? Confusing Manifestation (Say hi!) 23:35, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Patrol
How do you mark an article as patrolled? Interactive Fiction Expert/Talk to me 09:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi IntfictExpert. Marking pages as patrolled can only be done when you approach the article from new pages. Another words, if you serendipitously typed into the search bar an article that was just created and clicked go, that article you land on will have no link to mark it as patrolled, whereas, going to that same page from new pages will give you the option to mark it as patrolled. All pages at new pages which are highlighted in yellow have not been marked as patrolled. The actual process of marking a page is to click on the link which looks like this: [Mark this page as patrolled], which appears on the bottom right hand corner of a new page. For more information, see New pages patrol/patrolled pages. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 09:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Also remember you can't mark as patrolled pages which you have created yourself. Fribbler (talk) 12:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Note that when patrolling article, you have to see if they need any tags, cleanup, etc. The whole point of patrolling articles is to make sure they have no problems. If they do, add a tag or fix it yourself. -- RyRy5 ( talk  ♠  copy-edit ) 16:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Unblock rules
Several months ago, I was wrongly accused of being a sock of a banned user and blocked. (I think the admin was just trying to win a content dispute) A few weeks later, another administrator reviewed what happened and correctly concluded that I was not a sock and unblocked me.

If the first administrator finds out, he will certainly block me again. In essence, he is trying to censor an article. I have looked over my edits and they are not POV. I did ask a former arbitrator and he said ArbCom will almost never look into this situation.

I have not edited since the unblock. I created this user just to ask the question and prevent stalking. I don't intend to use it to edit. Carinsuranceismandatory (talk) 16:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * So, what's your question? Do you mind clarifying a little? -- RyRy5  ( talk  ♠  copy-edit ) 16:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Question is 2 possibilities: #1: Can we conclude that if I am really the sock of the banned user, the banned user is no longer community banned because I have been unblocked? If so, then re-blocking can only be done for disruption or POV pushing, not by pointing out made up similarities.

Or #2: Since the first administrator (wrongly) stated that I am a sock of a banned user, there is no recourse - I can be blocked on sight for no reason when the first administrator finds out that I am editing again after being unblocked. Again, a former ArbCom member said ArbCom is too busy and will almost certainly ignore any requests for help. How to prevent this except by accepting the first administrator's original purpose, to censor any opinions in an article other than his own (he even objects to neutral wording that has reliable sources). Carinsuranceismandatory (talk) 16:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Q1 has made me slightly suspicious, and no - we cannot conclude that. If an administrator has reviewed and accepted an unblock request, another administrator should not reblock without good reason (in this case, most likely a CheckUser ...... Dendodge  .. Talk Help 16:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

So are you saying that #2 is what is likely to happen? That the original administrator can re-block on whim? I need to know because I refuse to help Wikipedia if too many Wikipedia representative (administrators) are bullies. Carinsuranceismandatory (talk) 16:43, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Side note: What needs to happen is that all adminstrators should have a 6 month term followed by 6 months of editing. Many admins stop editing and some of them become bullies. Carinsuranceismandatory (talk) 16:46, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

To refocus the questionCreating a new user and ending use of my current account is not a solution. The checkuser will rightly conclude that "new user" and "current account" is the same person (even if one stops editing and the other starts). Using the current account is not a solution because the old admin will find out the unblock and reblock. The only solution to avoid re-block is to accept that the first admin has effectively become a censor for a group of articles. Is this true? Carinsuranceismandatory (talk) 16:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No. You cannot be reblocked at whim, only when a request for checkuser is accepted and the result is that you are a sockpuppet.  This is unlikely to happen unless you bear a striking resemblance to the alleged puppetmaster ...... Dendodge  .. Talk Help 17:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer even though it does not really answer the question. You say that you cannot be reblocked at whim. This is not a true statement. The original admin has the opinion "anyone who does not agree with my POV is banned". So any editing in the article results in the admin saying that there is resemblance and blocks. This admin has blocked others without a RFCU request. Carinsuranceismandatory (talk) 17:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * But once you have been unblocked, (s)he cannot reblock without a RFCU, so the first time was OK but they cannot reblock ...... Dendodge  .. Talk Help 17:17, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Perhaps the single most important phrase on Help:CheckUser is the caution that CheckUser is not magic wiki pixie dust. A completed Checkuser is not required to block (or unblock) a putative sockpuppet; Checkuser evidence is seldom unambiguous, and the Checkusers themselves – talented though they are – are not infallible.  By far the most important evidence of sockpuppetry is behavioural.  (See duck test.) TenOfAllTrades(talk) 02:58, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Arb Com Unblocking
OK. I have editied with sockpuppets. I contacted Jimmy Wales, and the volunteer contacted Arb Com. They gave me this reply:

The User SimpsonsFan08's talk page is currently protected, so how can I get unblocked now (since I got a second change).

Also, can I merge accounts: SimpsonsFan08, SimsFan, Doughnuts...Mmm!.

Can I get an admin to unblock me today? Thanks, 92.5.91.181 (talk) 17:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I'll file a WP:RFPP (unprotection) and hopefully an admin will get there. Then, you can use the unblock template to request unblocking.  If an administrator comes along, they can do it straight away but I'll do this as I'm not an administrator ...... Dendodge  .. Talk Help 17:15, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * RFPP filed, pending. You can then use unblock.  And in response to your earlier query: No, accounts cannot be merged ...... Dendodge  .. Talk Help 17:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * RFPP failed. If you are telling the truth, either Jimbo or Arbcom could quite easily unblock you and unprotect your talk page ...... Dendodge  .. Talk Help 22:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Merge discussions
What are the policies/guidelines/etc. that cover merge discussions, which occur on the Talk page of one of the affected articles? In particular, I am interested in the proper procedure for closing a merge discussion. I've read Help:Merging and moving pages (vague), as well as Consensus, Talk page guidelines, and Template:Discussion top, but I have not found anything directly helpful.

For XfDs, the closing editor must be uninvolved and may be a non-admin when admin tools are not required to implement the decision. Some merges may require history merges, while others can be done with cut-and-paste. Should an uninvolved editor be requested at WP:EAR, WP:AN, or elsewhere, or should the merge tags and their associated categories be relied on to attract this uninvolved editor?

Is it ever acceptable for an involved editor to close a merge discussion as no consensus following an extended period (1-2 months) with no new discussion, or does this involved closing always constitute a conflict of interest, as it would in the WP:Deletion process? If it may be acceptable, what constitutes a reasonable "extended period"? Flatscan (talk) 17:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Mergers are generally done by someone who has an interest in the topic. Deletion requires distance, but mergers require knowledge of the subject in some manner to have an idea of what needs to be kept. -mattbuck (Talk) 17:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. I guess I'll cross-post my question once this is archived. Flatscan (talk) 19:42, 25 May 2008 (UTC)?


 * I believe the question is not who actually carries out the merger but who determines whether or not there is a consensus when there is no unanimity? I believe that it's been the practice in the past to request on WP:AN that an uninvolved admin determine consensus when it is unclear. Reggie Perrin (talk) 04:07, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Cross-posted from Help desk/Archives/2008 May 24 to Help talk:Merging and moving pages, Village pump (policy)

New user - problems re-finding articles
Hi, I'm a new user and can't work out if there's any way to add a 'bookmark' to an article so hat I can easily find it again in the future without saving it as a favourite using my browser. MonkeyMark (talk) 17:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If you don't want to save it as a bookmark in your browser, you could link to it on your userpage, but if you do, anyone in the world can see it... Calvin 1998 (t-c) 18:00, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not really what it's for, but you could add it to your watchlist. That's more private, if you care about that. Algebraist 18:01, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (ec)You can watch list the article so you can always see whats happening on that article. You can than "edit raw watchlist" to see what's watchlisted.-- RyRy5 ( talk  ♠  copy-edit ) 18:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (e/c) :Hi MonkeyMark. There is no internal bookmark feature per se, but you do have a watchlist which when you access will show whenever a change is made to a page you have watched. It is a link at the very top of the page whenever you are on Wikipedia and logged in. Right next to that link is another called "My contributions", which will show you your editing history. You also have a user page which you have not yet accessed. It is at User:MonkeyMark. That link is currently red because you have not yet posted any content there. Once you do it will turn blue. You can post there links to any page you want to access again (thus making a form of bookmark). To make a link to an article, simply type the exact name and surround it with brackets, like this . Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:10, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Requesting Attention
Very Recently, a WP:RFPP was submitted for User talk:SimpsonsFan08. How can I get a attention as, for the start, there was edit conflicts in the discussion, where now, there hasn't been an edit for 10 minutes. 92.5.91.181 (talk) 18:05, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Just because it hasn't been discussed for 8 minutes doesn't mean it won't continue. Just be patient. Page protection requests can take a long time to just a few minutes.-- RyRy5 ( talk  ♠  copy-edit ) 18:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Characters
How can I get Greek characters in my signature? Will I have to use HTML or something or is there a way to get table like is under the edit window that has greek characters? Thank you, Zrs 12 (talk) 18:19, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You can copy-paste the Greek characters from the table under edit windows into the "signature" section in your preferences. That should work. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 18:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Tucurinca contributions
How can I deleted all my contributions and my account? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tucurinca (talk • contribs) 18:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You can't delete your own contributions unless an admin deleted the page you edited. Your edits on that deleted article will also delete your contributions to it. Hope that helps. -- RyRy5 ( talk  ♠  copy-edit ) 19:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * While your account cannot be physically deleted, you do have the right to vanish, which is "about as good as it gets" when it comes to deletion. x42bn6 Talk Mess  19:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Due to the fact that Wikipedia content is licensed under the GFDL, all edits must be kept for attribution purposes, and so your account cannot be deleted. You do, however, have the right to vanish, which you can exercise by (1) requesting your user page (found at Special:Mypage) and/or user talk page (found at Special:Mytalk) be deleted, by adding the template to them; (2) requesting to change your username to something that is unconnected with you (possibly a random collection of letters and numbers); (3) never logging in to your account again. If you do this, you are still free to register a new username if you wish to continue editing Wikipedia. Woody (talk) 19:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Prevent nosy onlookers from knowing your username
When logged into Wikipedia your username appears at the top right hand corner of the screen. Is there a way to obscure the username from being displayed, to prevent nosy onlookers from knowing what it is. I was thinking along the lines of something similar to the way the UTCLiveClock works? Any suggestions? Thanks. 79.75.137.77 (talk) 19:10, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My answer to your first question: As far as I know, you can't remove it. Also, do you mind clarifying when you said, "to prevent nosy onlookers from knowing what it is" Thanks. -- RyRy5 ( talk  ♠  copy-edit ) 19:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You'd probably have to write something to your Special:Mypage/monobook.js file. The busybodies are probably, say, if you're in a library and people are looking over your shoulder.  x42bn6 Talk Mess  19:15, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying. Well, I don't think there's a script that let's you remove it either. -- RyRy5 ( talk  ♠  copy-edit ) 19:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, the interface makes this easy. Try adding this to Special:Mypage/monobook.css:

#pt-userpage { display: none; }
 * x42bn6 Talk Mess 19:20, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll clarify that you have to be logged in to add it to your monobook. You can't be an IP while doing this. -- RyRy5 ( talk  ♠  copy-edit ) 19:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks x42bn6 and RyRy5, I'll try it out. I still want Talk, Preferences and Watchlist to show, but the actual username to say something like "Logged in" or "My page", rather than telling the world who I am. 86.157.9.253 (talk) 19:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize I'd been logged out. Sorry about that. 86.157.9.253 (talk) 19:24, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If you don't get a response here, you can try at WP:VPT because it's probably a technical issue. For that, you'd need to write something in JavaScript.  The one above hides the username.  x42bn6 Talk Mess  19:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The above code doesn't work. 86.157.9.253 (talk) 19:29, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This should work in your monobook.js:

addOnloadHook(function{document.getElementById('pt-userpage').firstChild.innerHTML='My page';}); -- zzuuzz (talk) 19:30, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Shit, I logged out again. Something is seriously screwed with my cookies. Thanks zzuuzz, I've give that a try, if I can stay logged in that is~ 86.157.9.253 (talk) 19:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Getting the Admins Attention
Hi. I said above about Requesting Admin Attention. There is a request for unprotection at WP:RFPP, for User talk:SimpsonsFan08. However, no one has responsed to this. How can I get an admins attention for this matter. There has been requests added and solved, in the time I have been waiting. 92.5.91.181 (talk) 20:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ask at WP:AN.-- RyRy5 ( talk  ♠  copy-edit ) 20:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently it is waiting for a reply from Jimbo or ArbCom, a thread on AN isn't going to help anything. Mr.Z-man 20:31, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I suggest other than WP:AN, that you just wait. -- RyRy5 ( talk  ♠  copy-edit ) 20:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Flickr
Can you upload images posted in flickr    86.40.201.129 (talk) 21:12, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It depends if the image has a suitable license. Read through Upload/Flickr and see what the different licenses are, and use the tool provided to determine whether it's appropriate. Generally, most images are copyrighted "all rights reserved" by the uploader, usually because they're unfamiliar with the licenses. If the license is not compatible, you can contact the uploader and ask him/her to change the license. Usually they'll allow for it, but images without the appropriate free license will be speedily deleted. Best, PeterSymonds (talk)  21:16, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hello. You can upload flickr images which are licenced as CC-BY or CC-BY-SA, though it's preferable you upload them to the Wikimedia Commons. Images which are all rights reserved, or are either ND or NC are not allowed. -mattbuck (Talk) 21:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Also, it is important to know that a user account is required to upload any image. To upload an image, click "Upload file" in the toolbox on the left hand side of your screen. Also, as the other guys said, it's important to determine whether or not the image as the correct licence for use on Wikipedia. I hope that helps. GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 23:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Rosemary
How long can rosemary tea be ingested. I have been boiling dried rosemary "bark" for 8 days. Now I am reading that it could be toxic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.249.44.181 (talk) 22:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The help desk is used for questions on USING wikipedia. Your question seems unrelated to wikipedia. Please ask at the Reference desk. Thank you. RyRy5  ( talk  ♠  copy-edit ) 22:29, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Pictogram voting delete.svg|20px]] We cannot offer medical advice. Please see the medical disclaimer. Contact your General Practitioner.  [[Image:Symbol move vote.svg|20px]] This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk.  They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try  for an article related to the topic you want to know more about.  I hope this helps. ...... Dendodge  .. Talk Help 22:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The reference desk also will not give medical advice. Useight (talk) 00:03, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right, I should really have put the templates the other way round ...... Dendodge  .. Talk Help 09:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Font Face
How can I change the font face of my signature? For example, what if I wanted to change my signature from Arial (default) to Comic Sans MS? Nick4404 yada yada yada What have I done? 22:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I can personally do that for you. It wll be done in just a minute or two.-- RyRy5 ( talk  ♠  copy-edit ) 22:45, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ...... Dendodge  .. Talk Help 22:48, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, just checkmark the "raw signature" box in Special:Preferences, they put the following in the above box:

Nick4404 yada yada yada -- RyRy5 ( talk  ♠  copy-edit ) 22:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


 * That makes: Nick4404  yada yada yada ...... Dendodge  .. Talk Help 22:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Java Script
Is it possible to use a Java Script on a user page or user talk page? GO-PCHS-NJROTC (talk) 23:36, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it won't take affect. It will only work in your monobook.-- RyRy5 ( talk ) 00:36, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Like RyRy5 said, you can use Java Script on a user page or user talk page, but unfortunately, it won't have any effect. You need to place such JavaScripts at your monobook..  Cheers, Raz<b style="color:#6cc">or</b><b style="color:#6c9">fl</b><b style="color:#6c6">am</b><b style="color:#6c3">e</b> 00:59, 25 May 2008 (UTC)