Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2008 May 3

= May 3 =

Collapsible tables
How do I collapse tables? In this article there are a number of tables like the "Pacific seas : Statistics" table shown. How do I collapse them, like "Pacific seas: Maps and descriptions" immediately below? --Geronimo20 (talk) 00:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Click "edit" to see how something was done:
 * {| class="wikitable collapsible collapsed" style="text-align: left; width:600px;"
 * See also Collapsible tables. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Umm, I already have the "collapsible collapsed" attribute set, but it doesn't seem to work. --Geronimo20 (talk) 01:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I added the header row indicator ! to a table in, as required in Collapsible tables. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:16, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Ahhh... Thank you so very much. --Geronimo20 (talk) 01:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Record labels
Wasn't sure where to ask this, but on Katy Garbi, I don't know what do do about the labels. She has always been signed to sony music greece, but has released under more than one of their labels. Some are saying it should only say Sony BMG, the most current, others say every label with the years in paraenthesis. There all Sony brands though, so which is best? Grk1011 (talk) 01:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say list them all. Sony BMG isn't an actual label, just a conglomeration of labels. There's nothing wrong with listing multiple labels in the infobox even if they're part of the same family. Ten Pound Hammer  and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 01:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The label is Sony BMG Greece, but idk whats best, i prefer each label with the years, but i wasnt sure since in this case its all the same company. Grk1011 (talk) 01:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I changed it to the way i like, is this good? Grk1011 (talk) 02:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiCite like tool for Mac OSX?
I used to use Wikicite to make adding refs *much* easier but I've recently gotten a Mac, rendering this tool useless. I'm aware of Zotero and I find that cumbersome and I've found the reference genertor tool to go down often. Is there a comparable tool to WikiCite for Mac users or is there any other useful tool to use? Thanks! TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 01:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * See WP:EIW. --Teratornis (talk) 03:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Appears that User:Mr.Z-man/refToolbar will do exaxtly what I'd like TRAVELLINGCARI My storyTell me yours 04:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I'm thinking that someday, the answer to every Help desk question might reduce to a shortcut in the Editor's index. Probably not, but in this case, I didn't even have to look hard at the section I linked to, other than to notice it listed a decent selection of tools. I haven't used Wikipedia from a Mac, so I couldn't provide any personally tested advice. The Editor's index sure has a lot of stuff in it. If the answer to a question is not in there, it's a tough question. --Teratornis (talk) 07:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, User:Manors is adding shortcuts to each entry in the WP:FAQ, so we can easily link to FAQ entries as well. --Teratornis (talk) 07:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

New Project
Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 72 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help.

P.S. - Sorry for posting this here, but I didn't want to post on everyone's individual talk page (I started to, but I felt like I was spamming everyone). Useight (talk) 03:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * See WP:ASSIST. --Teratornis (talk) 04:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And WP:PATROL. --Teratornis (talk) 07:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Bug Report
I tried to start a new section for Talk:St. Petersburg paradox‎, and was blocked because, in some previous section, a couple of links had been inserted (by some other editor) to a blocked site. The diagnostic squealed such theories as my computer being infected; it did not suggest that the link might be pre-existent. I had to edit the existing talk page, find the links and neutralize them, before I was allowed to post. —SlamDiego&#8592;T 04:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You might get more response by posting this to WP:VPT. That's where the more technical users tend to hang out. --Teratornis (talk) 07:13, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * As per your suggestion, I have cross-posted thence. —SlamDiego&#8592;T 08:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Graphical display wikipedia browsing
Okay, this may sound strange. But some of my friends and I were discussing our random strolls through wikipedia and how strange the chains end up forming along the articles we visit. I'm curious if anyone knows of any kind of software that can analyze your browsing of wikipedia and do a graph to show it.

I imagine it would analyze your history or maybe be in the background? I don't know, it's just something I think would be cool and figured that someone at some point had to think about it (and hopefully make such a piece of software) before.

Any help is appreciated, THANKS! Chris M. (talk) 04:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything in WP:EIW that looks immediately relevant, but you might find something there. --Teratornis (talk) 07:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Semantic web might vaguely relate to what you're talking about. For example, there is a Semantic MediaWiki. And here is an Internet web browser with memory enhanced hyperlink display, not that the little patent abstract gives a feel for what that really looks like. If you use Firefox, you might find something in List of Firefox extensions. --Teratornis (talk) 07:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Explain jargon
When I find some jargons in an article and I have no idea how to give it a proper link. What can I do to make people be aware of the jargons and encourage people to give it a proper link except add somthing on the talk page? - Justin545 (talk) 06:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * See Help:Link and Build the web. You can link your jargon terms by putting  around them. Always check your links by clicking on them, to make sure you have linked to the most appropriate article. If you are asking how to find the most appropriate article to link a jargon term to, see Help:Search. You can also ask on the Help desk or the Reference desk about specific jargon terms if you cannot find any good articles that define them. --Teratornis (talk) 07:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You might be able to find a wiktionary definition by using  ...... Dendodge . Talk Help 07:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Legal terminology: "without valid charge"
Is "without valid charge" sensible and NPOV legally? If charges had been ruled unconstitutional by a US Federal Court and then years later charges brought under law ruled illegal by the US SSupreme Court were withdrawn is it NPOV to summarise this situation with the phrase "without valid charge"? See if you want more context. (And I'd would like some-one with legal knowledge to have a look at the whole article as we have a lot of legal information in it.) Being pointed in the right direction is as good as an answer. SmithBlue (talk) 07:43, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It sounds like "without valid charge" is a statement of the situation; the charges were made but were later ruled invalid (unconstitutional). Unless I'm misinterpreting what you're asking, I don't see anything non-NPOV about it. Mister Senseless&trade; (Speak - Contributions) 02:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Crime on wikipedia
When a crime has been committed on wikipedia, eg defamation, sedition, who would the authorities in any country charge or summon? Is it Wikipedia, or the specific editor. And if prosecutors or police needed to find out identity of the person editing certain articles, what are the procedures? Would they be able to trace the IP of registered wikipedian? Would the people in charge of wikipedia reveal the IP of a certain editor to public authorities (from US or overseas)? 203.109.44.108 (talk) 08:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Good question – I read about Wang Xiaoning and others only this week, where Yahoo! disclosed that person's id to the Chinese government. I'd like to know what position wikipedians are in as well. Luckily, though wikipedia is banned in China though what that means for access (say, via Hong Kong) is another thing.  Julia Rossi (talk) 08:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You can find some specific instances of police action resulting from activity on Wikipedia by . --Teratornis (talk) 16:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * For a defamation example, see Seigenthaler incident. Paragon12321 (talk) 02:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. There was also this incident a few weeks ago with a vandal editing the Glen A. Wilson High school page. They threatened to kill 33 people, and warned editors not to remove it. An editor removed it, of course, and then came a second threat. This incident was reported to the administrators' incident noticeboard, when one editor called the local police. When the vandal re-inserted the threat, which contained a list of names, into the article, the IP was traced to a person who lived near the mentioned school. Later, the school was closed on the day of the threatened shootings, and the person who added it was arrested, and the list of names were oversighted. Just goes to show, things like this are taken seriously and swiftly, and yes sometimes police are called. Hope this helps. Thanks. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 18:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all the comments. I was looking for something more similar to the China case. Something along the lines of political repression. I come from Malaysia and we have this law called Sedition Act (Malaysia). It seems that the government have used this as a tool to silence critics and to scare citizens. So what if something has been written about the government accusing it of a conspiracy (something bad) which is based on strong rumours, but not so strong evidence (evidence not sufficient to prove conspiracy). Would wikipedia assist the government in tracking so called "criminal"? 203.109.44.108 (talk) 02:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This page is for help in using Wikipedia; it is not for general discussion. Is there some help you would like in using Wikipedia? —teb728 t c 05:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You might want to see our Privacy policy. Other than that, I don't think we can offer you any legal advice. Best, -- B figura (talk) 05:38, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Advertising my commercial website(s)
I own and operate a medium-sized software company and wish to create a wikipedia article which describes the unique technology my company has created and now sells. Although some of our baseline products are open-source, most of them are not (we are in the business of selling enterprise software solutions and consultants).

During the process of creating the wikipedia article I would also like to to insert weblinks which list the URLs of my commercial websites, much in the same way this company has done:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_%28OLAP_database%29 Palo (OLAP database)

After having read the following article describing the business terms of use, I am not quite sure if this is actually permitted: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Business

In light of the fact that another company has successfully published a business/commercial article and the above terms of use seem to indicate that this is not possible, I am not quite sure how I should proceed with my plans to publish.

Any assistance in resolving this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely 62.143.81.234 (talk) 08:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * There are a number of factors which apply when it comes to creating an article on your company. Firstly, it must constitute its own article, i.e. it must be a notable company. (See Notability).


 * Then, is it fits this criteria, the article must not be an advertisement, and must not display point-of-view. That is the problem with writing an article about your own company - neutrality is a concern. (Please read Neutral).


 * Then it would also be worth reading How to write a great article, but you must only proceed is my first two points are met. Otherwise the article will be deleted. I hope that is of help to you.  Lra drama 09:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's better to follow the advice in the WP:BFAQ page that you read, than to go by other stuff that exists. Pages like the WP:BFAQ represent the best thinking of highly experienced Wikipedia users on how things should be, whereas out in article space, you can find articles at all levels of compliance (or noncompliance) with our policies and guidelines. Anything not in compliance will eventually get fixed or deleted. It's sort of like choosing how to behave in real life, for example when a mob is rioting. Do you join the mob and loot the store? Or do you obey the law? In the long run, societies work better when people follow the law rather than the mob. That's where we are trying to go on Wikipedia, with mixed results as you have seen. Wikipedia has the problem (or strength, depending on how you look at it) that anybody can edit almost anything. Which means a lot of what you see at any given time is by people who didn't know much about Wikipedia at the time when they wrote it. But over time, there are more and more people who know more and more about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and they mercilessly edit anything which does not comply. So it comes down to whether you want your work here to last. The more you follow the policies and guidelines, the less other people will hack up your work. Also, if you want to advertise your company, you can do that freely on Wikicompany; see WP:BFAQ. --Teratornis (talk) 16:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

How do you change the name of an article?
How do you change the title of an article if the title is not appropriate. For example, say an article is called The US of A but you want to change it to The United States. ItemSeven (talk) 13:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * If it's an uncontroversial move, you can press the "move" tab at the top of the screen. If you can't move it because there's a page in the way (eg. by a redirect) then you can list it at WP:RM, and an administrator can perform the move. Usually, though, you should start a discussion at WP:Requested moves, which encourages other editors to support or oppose a potential page move. Be careful, though; if you move a page, make sure you know what you're doing, as it can cause unexpected changes, especially if the title had already been agreed upon or conforms to naming conventions. Thanks, PeterSymonds | talk  14:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Also see WP:MOVE and WP:EIW. We use the verb "move" to mean changing the title of an article. Do you have an actual article in mind? If so, what is the current title, and the title you want it to have? --Teratornis (talk) 16:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Project Quality Stats
Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Biography articles by quality log, Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Chicago articles by quality log, and Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/WikiProject Illinois_articles_by_quality_log have not been updated in ten days. They are suppose to update every two or three days. What is going on?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 13:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't know what's going on (the bot is working fine at the moment). I'll run the bot manually on the three listed categories, but I should think it'll be okay now (done the Chicago one already. Looking at the contribs, it should be doing its job). Thanks, PeterSymonds | talk  15:39, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Look at the Chicago page above. It did not update.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It updated the individual pages, though; I watched it happen. It's probably best to report this on the project talk page. PeterSymonds | talk  18:06, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * From a management perspective, I need to see the list of changes. The tabular summary doesn't help me that much.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Want to make my new article template official
Hey folks,

i recently created a official article template which can be found here. I now want to make it available for official use and want it to be added to the list of official article templates (for example: so that it appears on the list of twinkle's article tag templates.). Maybe one of you can help me to do this as it's not quite clear to me on how to do it myself. regards SomeUsr | Talk Contribs 15:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I suggest you add your request to Twinkle's talk page, as the script is protected (for obvious reasons). Also, you might want to add to Template messages. Thanks, PeterSymonds | talk  15:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * thank you, will do that. -> ✅. can be marked as resolved. SomeUsr | Talk Contribs 15:43, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Notability?
Hello. I have been wanting to write an article about the band Oliver Future for some time. (The bass player is a lifelong friend, and I really admire them, as well.) I am wondering whether you think they meet the notability standard yet before I undertake this. (I have read the notability guidelines). They have played the South by Southwest festival several years. Although their second CD, 'Pax Futura,' was self released, it was produced by Adam Lasus, who was impressed enough to offer his services for free, and was favorably reviewed by Esquire Magazine. They were also profiled on NPR and their song 'Signing Off' was selected as an NPR song of the day. They were the October 2006 'band in residence' at the Viper Room, and had another residency at Spaceland. Other prestigious venues they have played include the Mercury Lounge in NYC. They have received favorable notices in several alternative music publications, including Harp (magazine) and Under the Radar (magazine), as well as many local free papers of the Village Voice chain. While I didn't find detailed coverage of their music in their adopted city's LA Times, they were featured in a fashion spread in that publication. They have also had a video highlighted on tvguide.com. Before their departure to L.A., the Austin Chronicle called them the "best band in Austin" (sorry, the link to this article was unavailable). Lastly, the bass player, Jesse Ingalls, played on the well received Ben Harper CD 'Both Sides of the Gun.'

So what do you think; are they there yet?

Thanks for your help.Carlaclaws (talk) 15:47, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, it appears to meet WP:BAND criterias 1 and 10. Although please read WP:Conflict of interest thoroughly, as well as WP:Your first article and WP:NPOV. Thanks, PeterSymonds | talk  15:53, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, have read these. I believe I can write an objective, purely factual article. Besides, these guys are pretty accessible to their fans, so it is likely that anyone who undertakes an article will consider at least one of them a friend.Carlaclaws (talk) 16:00, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, good luck with it, and let me know if you want me to look it over before it goes live. Thanks, PeterSymonds | talk  16:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The band's notability is one issue; the other issue is whether the band's article will satisfy all the deletionists. It's possible that the band could "belong" here, but the article about the band has to convince everyone that the band belongs. Wikipedia deletes thousands of articles for violating one or another of our policies and guidelines. Some of the deleted articles are about topics that could have articles that "stick," but the articles that people wrote were not convincing enough. So, that's just a word of warning before you pour hours of work into a new article. All that work could go poof unless you make enough effort to deletion-proof the article. I glanced through your contributions, and while you've obviously been around Wikipedia long enough to get the basics, even editors with quite a bit of experience end up watching their new articles get deleted (ouch!). You do seem to have your notability ducks in a row; do you know how to organize your reliable sources into footnotes? Are you familiar with the layout guidelines? I'm not trying to be a buzzkill, I'm just making sure you are ready to face the potentially cruel world of WP:AFD, which teems with people who seem not to have taken many sensitivity training classes. One way to avoid riling up the deletionists is to start your article as a user subpage first, then come back here and ask for us to look at it before you move it to article space. If you want to take that conservative approach, just click here and start editing: User:Carlaclaws/Oliver Future. --Teratornis (talk) 16:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia in other languages
I would like to know if it was possible to create a wikipedia in Portuguese (Portugal), the current wikipedia pt.wikipedia.org is for all Portuguese-speaking users, and it is mostly in Brazilian Portuguese... which is considerably different from Portuguese (Portugal). It's just that some things are hard to understand for people from Portugal... is it possible? thanks. SF007 (talk) 17:43, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Probably best to ask at Proposals for new projects, where interwiki projects are discussed. Thanks, PeterSymonds | talk  18:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Portuguese Wikipedia article says:
 * In 2005, a proposal to fork Portuguese Wikipedia and create a Brazilian Portuguese (pt-br) version was voted down by the Wikimedia community.
 * The sentence does not link to the discussion. That might be worth retrieving, so let us beseech the mighty Google: . That did not find anything, so I, and that finds the page:
 * Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Brazilian Portuguese
 * --Teratornis (talk) 18:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. On the English Wikipedia, articles are written in the local dialect of the subject per WP:MoS, so I don't see why you couldn't write Portugal-related articles in Portuguese-Portuguese and Brazil-related articles in Brazilian-Portuguese. Thanks. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 18:30, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Business advertising details
Many franchises, brands, and products have memorable advertising which is typically described in a small portion of their Wikipedia articles. Is it wrong to mention Luis Guzmán's participation in Cabot Creamery advertising in the Cabot article? I did this and was, for some odd reason, criticized for Spamming and self-promotion. I also included a good reference for my information. Cale (talk) 17:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * If it's notable for inclusion, and backed up, it should be fine. Would you mind pasting the proposed text onto my talk page, so I can suggest why it was removed? Thanks, PeterSymonds | talk  18:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Strange merge of articles
Hi, For some reason this article Roger Wickson appears to merged with another bio, yet when one goes to edit it all seems normal. It's very strange and i've never seen anything like this before, so can someone please tell me what's going on here? Thanks Flaming Ferrari (talk) 18:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks like somebody messed up the England-nonfiction-writer-stub template that the Roger Wickson article transcludes. --Teratornis (talk) 18:35, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes...took a minute to realise what was going on. In any case, everything should be back to normal. Not sure how this has been missed for three days, though. — Huntster (t • @ • c) 18:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The same user made a: similar mistake on another template. Another user fixed that template, but nobody explained to User:Drscharf what he or she did wrong, and then a week later User:Drscharf messed up the England-nonfiction-writer-stub template in the same way. Moral of story: instead of just silently reverting mistakes, take a minute to explain the problem to the user responsible, so the user doesn't go on repeating it. I'll leave a note on User talk:Drscharf to go along with the generic welcome template which is already there (but does not explain the intricacies of templates). --Teratornis (talk) 18:50, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The user appeared to be trying to make a new article about a writer, so I userfied the content: User:Drscharf/George Rousseau and added a little markup along with hints about what the new article needs. --Teratornis (talk) 05:55, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Query about archives
I'm trying to get a hold of some old newspaper articles about an article I am working on (Myst). Unfortunately, they all seem to be pay-per-view. Does anyone know of a way I can get these articles (e.g. for free?  Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk  ) 19:16, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Nope, believe me, I've tried! :) The New York Times has a free article library here (as a British person writing about British topics that doesn't help me very much), but that's the only one I know. PeterSymonds | talk  19:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * We have List of online newspaper archives, which has many free article libraries listed, but not for the Washington Post. A good real-world library should have newspaper back issues; if you don't have access to one, you could try posting a request at WP:WikiProject Resource Exchange. Algebraist 20:47, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Questionable edits to license plate articles
User:Yuck Flu By Road (User talk:Yuck Flu By Road) is making some weird edits I'm not comprehending. Can someone see what this user is trying to do? Spencer T♦C 21:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Not sure. Would it be more appropriate to have that as an extra section in the article? I can't see how s/he's justifying the removal of the other content. PeterSymonds | talk  21:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree. I left a note on his/her talk page. Spencer  T♦C 21:25, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I am going to revert the edits, I still can't see a viable reason...if they give a good reason, I'll self-revert. Spencer  T♦C 21:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The user left this note on my page: Vehicle registration plates of New Jersey and several other similar articles have naccurate information and providing a link to a primary source is a much better option. Most of the license plate articles are filled with bad information, so it is best to link to the various state DMV sites which has the latest and most accurate information. This is not a license plate information webstite and linking to primary sources seems the best thing in these cases. Yuck Flu By Road (talk) 21:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC) (Their message italicized).
 * I think this violates WP:CENSOR, but I'm not sure, Spencer  T♦C 21:30, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Um, right. Not sure about WP:CENSOR, but many of the articles are backed up with sources. Living in Britain, every year the number plates get upgraded (we've exhausted the alphabet now and gone onto something tricky), so I can't see why it wouldn't be different elsewhere. But the main point is that the sources are there, and that's what should be emphasised. PeterSymonds | talk  21:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Yep, just give a clear explanation on the talk page exactly why, with a few policy links etc. PeterSymonds | talk  21:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Can you check the talk page of the user and look over what I wrote? Spencer  T♦C 21:38, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks good. I'm in two minds about WP:CENSOR but the message is fine, particularly the emphasis on the sources. Thanks, PeterSymonds | talk  21:43, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, thanks Spencer  T♦C 23:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Image not visible
I have uploaded this diagram Image:Constant k order 5.svg. I cannot see it. Why? If I download it from Wikipedia back in to my editor it looks normal.  Sp in ni ng  Spark  21:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I suggest posting at SVG Help, where they handle SVG rendering problems. In the meantime, the PNG one could be used if it's urgent. Thanks, PeterSymonds | talk  21:30, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The SVG file links to an image, which can't be found. To be precise, the image is "My Documents\Wikipedia Articles\Electronic filters\Constant k order 5.png", as determined by looking at the SVG file in Notepad. This is why it does not display. To remake the image, as an SVG file, you need to trace it out with your vector graphics program, importing the image is not enough.  Stwalkerster  [  talk  ]  21:31, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, thanks. I didn't realise it worked like that but its obvious now you point it out.  SVG is text based so it's not possible to embed bitmap files od course.  Sp in ni  ng  Spark  22:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * On the contrary (funny phrase). Bitmaps can be imbedded in SVGs just not linked.  §hep   •   ¡Talk to me!  22:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Kazue Takahashi
I don't mean to violate the canvassing rule, but I am having trouble finding biography resources for an article I am working on called Kazue Takahashi on User:Kitty53/Test page 2. Is there an expert who can help me out, please?Kitty53 (talk) 22:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Looking for help improving an article isn't canvassing, don't worry - that only applies to discussions. You may want to try asking WP:WikiProject Japan or WP:WikiProject Biography for assistance, though - I'm sure they'd know some good places to look. Hers fold  (t/a/c) 22:28, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

talisman the board game
your links regarding the above mentioned game don't open please help —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ommadon22 (talk • contribs) 23:38, 3 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Try clicking on this link. Someguy1221 (talk) 23:40, 3 May 2008 (UTC)