Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2008 November 29

= November 29 =

Template:Location_map_USA_North_Carolina
I had a go at trying to fix the template used in this article but without success (I used Template:Location_map_Alabama as an example). Has anyone any idea what's wrong with it? --Lo2u (T • C) 01:12, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see a problem. Could you be a bit more specific, please? &mdash; neuro(talk) 08:41, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was fixed shortly after I posted that, with this edit, but thanks.--Lo2u (T • C) 13:06, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Collapsible boxes
I would like to have a few boxes on my user page that can collapse (be hidden until [Show] is selected). I can't seem to find a template or an HTML tag to help me. Can you point me in the right direction? Thx! ←Signed:→ Mr. E. Sánchez Get to know me! / Talk to me! ←at≈:→ 03:52, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * There's several ways, but one of the simplest is to use "collapsible collapsed" in the heading of a table.


 * Another Method is this:

Example #3: Using divs This method uses divs instead of table syntax. You can display some text here, and then have the user Click Show to display additional text. Hidden Text goes in here. I like this method best.

-- GateKeeper(X) @    05:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Super awesome. I also like your favorite box. Thanks!! ←Signed:→ Mr. E. Sánchez Get to know me! / Talk to me! ←at≈:→ 07:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * And there is the template hidden. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  08:36, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Spelling
On most UK-related articles, I see US Spelling. Why is this? 78.150.156.0 (talk) 09:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Can you give us some examples? Also see WP:ENGVAR. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 09:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Either someone missed it, or someone changed the spelling without knowing the rules. Please give some examples so we can take a look at it. - Mgm|(talk) 10:57, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Oops on upload
I meant to upload an image of myself on Commons, but accidentally did so on Wikipedia. What do I do? (Or should I do anything?) Thx! ←Signed:→ Mr. E. Sánchez Get to know me! / Talk to me! ←at≈:→ 10:25, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Putting something on Commons means it can be used in other Wikimedia projects. Unless you plan on registering for other wikis like another-language wikipedia or something like wikiquote, or wikibooks, there's nothing you really need to do. Otherwise, request speedy deletion for the image (just mention it was a mistake) and reupload on the commons. - Mgm|(talk) 10:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. I'm already unified on all Wikimedia projects. I may want to use it later. Thanks! ←Signed:→ Mr. E. Sánchez Get to know me! / Talk to me! ←at≈:→ 11:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

postal and zip codes for the U.S.A. and Israel.
Pls what is the postal zip codes for the U.S.A. and Israel. Pls answer now Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.199.144.164 (talk) 11:57, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * This page is for Wikipedia related queries. You might want the reference desk. &mdash; neuro(talk) 13:58, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Neuro's right, but the brief answer is: there are many. See postal code. --Fullobeans (talk) 14:36, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Template for citing British Library catalogue
I have needed to cite a couple of books (see talk:Shepton Mallet (HM Prison) which, due to age, do not have ISBN numbers. I can find them listed in the British Library Integrated Catlogue but I cannot find a template that allows me to reference their entry in the catalogue. There are templates for Library of Congress catalgue references (template:LCC and template:LCCN). Is there such a template or, if not, how do I create one (I am not very technical)? Thanks. Dmvward (talk) 12:07, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Regarding cropping a cc-by-2.0 image
Hey I was wondering if it is ok if you had a image on Flickr that was cc-by-2.0, but cropped it to remove unwanted things on it? Rvk41 (talk) 14:37, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You can. Just upload it under a different name (in case someone prefers the older version), give attribution to the original image and don't change the license. - Mgm|(talk) 15:09, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Assuming it doesn't have an 'nd' (no derivatives) clause attached. See Creative_Commons - Mgm|(talk) 15:11, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Late LateShow Template (Ireland)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:The_Late_Late_Show on this template, te first section is titled 'Presenters - and is further defined by'Animals' and 'Humans'. On the human side are the actual presenters of the show, on the animal side is the owl that is a feature in the show's intro titles. This page should be under a section called others or something along those lines, which the absurd animal section deleted. Im not confident enoughin mytable editing abilities to attempt this so I'd appriecate any help in getting this done. Syferus (talk) 15:42, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't really see how the owl is a presenter, but yes, I have never watched the show, so I'm not really informed enough to make a decision on that. &mdash; neuro(talk) 16:44, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

New branch of fitness science
My question is how do I introduce this new science at Wikipedia?

I am a structural engineer who had knees that were nearly useless. For several years I tried using the principles of building and construction and leverage to drive the resistance to my core mobility muscles doing their running motion, without loading these forces through my knees or feet.

After perfecting this in water (while wearing a life jacket) I realize that I had stumbled over a science that is not precisely recognized yet.

"Fitness Engineering" does not look at human body generically as does Human Physiology. It is a science of engineering joint and weakness bypassing devices that receive muscle effort and full motion range before their forces would enter joints, then return most (if not all) of the resistance to the motion and effort only to the effort applying muscles to strengthen them. "Human Physiology" often prescribes leg joint overloading exercises to little old ladies in walkers to increase their heart and mobility power.

Fitness Engineering designs devices that bypass their worn out joints to allow far more effort and range from, (and up to hundreds of times more external resistance to return only to) their big body muscles and hearts, allowing their body muscles and hearts to become and stay very strong despite worn out leg joints, balance disorders  or motion debilitations. Without exception all of today's cardio and mobility strengthening exercises and devices still drive all of the exercises forces through joints, where they eventually to suddenly wear out or break them down, even on very powerful bodies.

Because modern fitness exercises drive far more force through joints, they eliminate millions of people who are too old, obese or physically disabled to walk stand or swim from having real exercise methods that can massively strengthen their body cores and hearts. Because there may be nothing wrong with their core muscles and hearts beside a weakness elsewhere, Fitness Engineering, is the new science of keeping muscle strengthening forces only where they are needed, nowhere else.

Like all real engineering sciences, Fitness Engineering is also a product constructing science as it develops devices that bypass the weak links of our bodies to allow our muscles to face motion resistance through their fullest range motions. Other sciences like Bio Mechanics and Bionics may seem similar to Fitness Engineering as aspects of all three cross over, but aspects of structural engineering cross into all sciences that deal with any form of physical matter that is affected in any way by gravity. Bio Mechanics is not a product developing science as it is a study of what nature has already engineered.

Bionics, like Fitness Engineering successfully concludes with a working physical product attached to the body; however bionic products do not differentiate between enhancing what the body already does, or could do with its own power. Bionics produces devices that add new or unnaturally enhance abilities beyond what nature provides our bodies.

Although the products of Fitness Engineering may have other uses that provide advanced or unnatural abilities, they are all primary designed to strengthen parts of individual bodies that modern joint overloading methods cannot, or only lightly reach. Fitness Engineering will always first focus muscle effort and resistance forces focused on specific muscles, with new devices or methods, however they are not limited to only doing this.

For Example a new device we have utility patents pending we trademarked as Lower Body Oars, can massively strengthen the hearts and core mobility muscles of millions of severely disabled people, and almost instantly cure the atrophy that plagues their stationary bodies, painlessly. However this same device can also provide athletes and swimmers with a new way to competitive speed race their bodies through water, under their own power.

There could be a debate as to Fitness Engineering being a branch of Bionics, because all of our announced device designs are body attached, however this is not an absolute aspect as we have also designed devices that do not attach. Likewise our first products are used in water but that is also not a prerequisite for Fitness Engineering, as we have plans for dry land and even outer space fitness devices. Many of these just increase the particular muscle strength and or range for the motions of a specific sport, activity or occupation. Again my question is how do I introduce this new science at Wikipedia?

PS. You can watch a video of Body Oars working at bodyoars.com or a short musical version at Youtube.com by searching "Body Oars" there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Paddleman (talk • contribs) 17:08, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


 * If it's something you can up with - you don't, We don't publish original research. If it's something that people have published about in text books, scholar texts, articles in major news sources, then we have have an article on it. --Cameron Scott (talk) 17:13, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * (ec) Wikipedia is an encyclopædia, and as such, is not an appropriate place for introducing new scientific ideas. The appropriate place to introduce new scientific ideas is in scientific journals. Get a few papers published, and then a Wikipedia article might be appropriate. Algebraist 17:15, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

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How can I type this symbol: | using a standard keyboard? It is sometimes irritating to have to select Wiki markup and then click on the thinnest symbol when I use it so often! Thanks. --DerRichter (talk) 19:07, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * SHIFT + BACKSLASH. Right above the enter key, there should be a key with \ and something that looks like ¦. The ¦ will type a |. Calvin 1998 (t·c) 19:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * haha yes. That will save me so much time.  Thanks.  --DerRichter (talk) 19:15, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Reflist does not appear
Hi. I've put together a little stub, necklace splitting problem. But the ref list does not appear for me, even though I have references in the article and at the bottom. It did yesterday when I last added some material. What gives? Robinh 20:11, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * A hidden comment started with . Fixed. Algebraist 20:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ach! Of course. Thanks, algebraist. Ironically, the reason I was trying to edit the article this evening was to remove the hidden comment.   Best wishes, Robinh 20:39, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Why does my signature (which I type using four tildes) appear as plain text, while everyone else has a clickable username? This happens in the sandbox too. Robinh 20:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Because you told it to. You can change your signature at Special:Preferences. Algebraist 20:59, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well you live and learn. Thanks!  Robinh (talk) 21:05, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Using foreign characters in an article
Can anyone offer advice on typing foreign characters from a standard English keyboard and operating system? Does it have anything to do with UTF vs. 8 bit characters? I recently edited the page hyung and I believe I erased all of the foreign characters, but I cannot tell because they all appear as question marks on my screen in the first place. Thanks. User5802 (talk) 21:43, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You need to install the right fonts to be able to read articles with foreign characters, and to able to edit them without damage. Have a look at Help:Multilingual support. Algebraist 21:51, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Algebraist. User5802 (talk) 23:05, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You are right that one of your edits changed many foreign characters. Another editor reverted it. If you view the diff without the right font then you probably see red question marks on both sides of the diff, but there are only real question marks on the right side. I accidentally deleted special characters (mainly in interlanguage links) on a couple of pages long ago when I edited some pages in an old text editor. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:22, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yup I modified the article again once I had the proper fonts installed. User5802 (talk) 04:20, 30 November 2008 (UTC)