Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2008 September 19

= September 19 =

Is it possible?
Is it possible to change your username?--Dale S. Satre 00:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * See Changing username. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  00:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

using Wikipedia photographs in a newsletter
Hello - I am the editor of a monthly "Trail Talk" newsletter as part of the City of San Diego's Mission Trails Regional Park docent program. We would like to use some of the pictures that are published on the Wikipedia web site for our newsletter. What do I need to do to get permission to do this?

thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.27.91.137 (talk) 00:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Please see Reusing Wikipedia content. A few things to note: Any image on Wikipedia that is used as fair use, is not our image at all. We are claiming fair use of someone else's copyrighted work. You would need to do the same, or get permission just as if Wikipedia had never used the image. Also, many of the images one sees here are not actually uploaded to Wikipedia. It is content from the Wikimedia Commons (another Wikimedia project). For any such media, please visit Commons:Reusing content outside Wikimedia. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:22, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Portal selection
Is there a portal that says a message like, "This user hopes to one day join the USAF" & "This user is considered the class nerd at his school?"--Archeopteryx (talk) 00:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you're confusing a portal with a userbox. You can check out a wide variety of userboxes at the Gallery. You could even make new ones for yourself! --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 03:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia is like the world's biggest playground for nerds. Especially nerds who like to RTFM. Welcome aboard, and get to know the Editor's index. --Teratornis (talk) 23:56, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Article redirect
My article on the Canton of Saint-Martin-de-Ré was redirected to the commune of Saint-Martin-de-Ré which contains no information at all on the canton. I don't see the a talk page or anywhere I can dispute this. Can someone who understands redirect please look over this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Madridrealy (talk • contribs) 02:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The talk page is located at Talk:Canton of Saint-Martin-de-Ré; the talk page for any article is found at the tab labeled "discussion" at the top of the page. --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 03:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Public housing in the United States and Canada split
I completed a requested split of Public housing in the United States and Canada into Public housing in the United States and Public housing in Canada. My question is, should Public housing in the United States and Canada now be deleted or does it remain somehow to preserve the edit history? WP:SPLIT was not quite clear as its instructions seemed to deal with part of an article being split off, not an entire article being split into two completely new articles. Thanks. TheMolecularMan (talk) 03:21, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * My impulse would be to redirect that title to Public housing, which should summarize both the United States and Canada Public Housing articles - note that the current summary still combines the two. No need to delete the page, since - as you note - we should keep the history. Redirects are cheap, though. UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 14:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that's exactly what I needed. TheMolecularMan (talk) 15:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

New member questions
I just joined today, because there's several music articles I'd like to update. I've been trying to read as much of the polices and such that I can, but I'm confused about 4 things in particular: 1. Some of the articles have no main picture (or any at all) and I'd like to add them - I download band photos off photobucket, so how I can list the photographer's/owner's name, or does that rule apply to public-distributed pictures?

2. A few bands have pictures, but there's newer photos available - do I have to get permission from the previous editor to change it?

3. A couple pages need updates for album/dvd releases and details - I can add on the the existing list?

4. Is it okay to quote (substantial) information from interviews in magazines/media/etc., as long as the source is listed?

Thank you very much for any help.MomoC.VK (talk) 03:42, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not up on my image use policy, so I can't help you with 1, but in regards to the others...


 * 2. One of the basic things about Wikipedia, and the thing I love the best, is that no one owns anything. So no, you don't need permission. However, as a courtesy to other editors, you could discuss it on the article's talk page first. The talk pages are a great place to discuss changes before enacting them, so nobody's toes get stepped on.


 * 3. You're perfectly free to update any information, although be prepared to have a source.


 * 4. Generally speaking, it's considered better to reword information instead of quoting it verbatim. A few quotes are acceptable, but if the majority of an article is comprised of quotes from other sources, it needs to be rewritten into article form, as opposed to a series of disjointed quotes.


 * Because you seem interested in helping with band-related articles, you should go check out the music Wikiproject. They keep up all of those articles (as well as others relating to music), and I'm sure they'd love to have your help! --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 03:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The copyright holder of a photo is listed on the image description page, which you create when you upload the photo. However, photos that you get off Photobucket, or Flickr, or Imageshack, are generally not free content, and so unless you can verify that the photo is under a license that is compatible with the GFDL (such as CC-BY or CC-BY-SA), it is non-free content, and will require a fair use rationale. Note that the first criterion for non-free content on Wikipedia is that it is "used only where no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose", and hence you can only use the non-free content if there is no way to procure a similar photo under a free license - in the case of bands, this would generally only occur if members of the band are dead, or if the photo is of particular historical significance that is discussed in the article. Failing that, you would need to see if the copyright holder (and this is not always the uploader, so be careful) is willing to release the photo under a compatible license. Confusing Manifestation (Say hi!) 04:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * that seems worth emphasizing: finding a photo on the web doesn't mean it's "up for grabs" copyright-wise, so please be careful about that. thanks for caring about the photographers' names and rights, and happy editing! Sssoul (talk) 11:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Fixing article on Socrates
I'm not sure how to proceed with the above and don't want to make matters worse. The following edit substantially changed the opening of the Socrates article: 6 September 2008 Wikipedian132. Besides changing the editorial focus, a somewhat odd quote was added as a third paragraph that had a typo (Sun-Good instead of Sun-God, which I fixed). Then I became suspicious of the quote and its cite, and found that it referred to a 2008 illustrated work on philosophy, hardly a scholarly work. The addition was not vandalism, but it also does not appear to be responsible, nor was it properly vetted. What I would like to see is that the article be returned to its state before the above change. However, I wouldn't want to see productive edits made since then overwritten. Suggestions? Thanks. Allreet (talk) 03:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You can add a tag, noting that that information may not be true.  LegoKontribsTalkM 03:58, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick reply. My concern is that the entire opening (three paragraphs) is something of a revisionist view based on a recent work. I went back a little further in the history and found that the opening has bounced back and forth between this and the "original," so the change is not as new as I thought. Nonetheless, we do have something of a "Socratic problem" here. I'll bring up the issue on the Talk page. Again, thanks. Allreet (talk) 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

installation of UNICODE
i want to instal UNICODE in my computer. how do i instal unicode? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.98.128.198 (talk) 07:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi. Have you tried a Google search? Searching for ["Installing Unicode"] brings up quite a few results. You might get a better response at the Reference Desk. Good luck,  Matt  (  Talk  )   10:11, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

reply to received messages
how can I reply to the messages I receive from administrator or other Wikipedia users? --Kdurah (talk) 09:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Kdurah and welcome! Some users prefer to keep the discussion in one place (the place that it was started) or reply on the other persons talk page. It's up to you as to which one you do.  Matt  (  Talk  )   10:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Having made a comment on your page (two) I have your page under watch so if you edit the page and reply I will pick it up. -- Snowded   TALK  10:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * If you're worried that your reply won't be seen by the other party if you put it on your own talk page, you can leave them a quick note alerting them to it. Template:Talkback will do this.  Just type  onto their user talk page.   Ka renjc 13:56, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

help renaming a category please!
the category currently called "Category: Ron Wood albums" wants changing to "Category: Ronnie Wood albums", to reflect the current name of the artist's wikipedia article (which is Ronnie Wood, not Ron Wood). the help page about moving articles mentions a different procedure for renaming categories but doesn't provide enough information for me to feel confident about making the change myself - if someone would be willing to either provide step-by-step instructions in non-specialist terminology, or to make the change (whichever is simpler!) that would be great - thanks Sssoul (talk) 11:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have requested the rename for you, at Categories for discussion/Log/2008 September 19. DuncanHill (talk) 11:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * thank you kindly Sssoul (talk) 11:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

term
what does the phrse "red foprt amd red pyjamas means" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.135.193 (talk) 11:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you tried the Language section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. Algebraist 12:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Industrial and labour law
Roles of collective bargaining in dispute resolution —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.49.81.100 (talk) 12:45, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Algebraist 12:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, please note that Wikipedia will not do your homework for you.  TN ‑  X   - Man  12:57, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Requests for comment: User
If an RFC passed the 48hr deadline for certification then another user (who was not part of the alleged dispute) moves from endorse to certify, should the RFC still stand? What is the process for removing an RFC that was not certified? (Specifically I'm talking about this RFC: Requests_for_comment/Kainaw) Thank you. -Phydaux (talk) 13:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems fine. The user that certified it did try to discuss the issues and as such is now involved. Although the 48 hours had expired, it seems pointless to delete it just to have them recreate it with a new entry.  Gtstricky Talk or C 14:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point, thank you for your response. - Phydaux (talk) 10:41, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

User Page Deleted - Why?
My user page, contributions and watchlist have all been deleted. I've searched the deletion log but can't find it. How do I get it back? Who deleted it and why? --Robinson Weijman (talk) 13:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you sure you haven't created a completely new login by mistake, using an upper-case W? Take a look at User:Robinson weijman.  Ka renjc 14:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Apparently this is what has happened. The account of User:Robinson Weijman has been created today, but User:Robinson weijman has been created on 2007-01-13. C h a m a l    Talk   ±  14:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * (ec)More precisely, you created the account 'Robinson Weijman' on Meta two days ago (not today), with SUL enabled, and as a result you have a new account on en.wiki as well. Algebraist 14:06, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Blimey - you guys are good, thanks. I think Firefox cached it and used the same ID for both.  Anyway, thanks for the time you've taken to investigate this.  --Robinson Weijman (talk) 14:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

chat
is there a spot here where we can converse with one another?--Klingon 1 (talk) 14:31, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Beyond this format, not really, no. Other sites may be better suited for chat. UltraExactZZ Claims~ Evidence 14:33, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * See WP:NOT  Gtstricky Talk or C 14:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The OP said nothing about using WP as a chat medium. They're simply asking if there are any places here where wikipedians can have general conversations. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 14:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * (3 ecs)You can use user talk pages for conversations. For example, your user talk page is at User talk:Klingon 1. Some wikipedians also use IRC channels. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 14:38, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Try IRC channels maybe, see WP:IRC Equendil Talk 15:44, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

How do I keep my additions to a site
from going away? I want to have the search term founders of Rapid Cith on the Wikipedia Rapid City South Dakota entry, I put them there and they go away. I don't seem to be able to use Google to find that term when they are visiable on Wikipedia? I have asked Google about it too but maybe you can tell me how to do it. I want anyone who wants to know the names of the founders of Rapid City to be able to Google that term and find the names on Wikipedia, why is that so hard? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ellenb7580 (talk • contribs) 15:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * i'm not a "help desk regular", but i looked at the Rapid City, South Dakota edit history. i don't want to guess at why another editor removed your additions, but it looks like you haven't provided any reference for the list of founders you added. other wikipedia editors can always change stuff - that's the nature of wikipedia - but backing up our statements with reliable references means someone really needs a very solid reason to amend or delete them. please check out the page on reliable sources for guidance.
 * you might also ask on the article's "talk" page why the other editor has deleted that content. courteous communication on the "talk" pages can go a long way to resolving this kind of thing, and is also pretty much of a prerequisite to getting third parties to express an opinion if necessary.
 * you might also want to consider signing in before making the changes to the article. it looks like you made your additions without being logged in. there's nothing wrong with that, but signing in might make communication with the other editor easier.
 * hope that helps some, and/or that a "regular" help-desk denizen will clarify what i've left out or misinterpreted. Sssoul (talk) 16:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sssoul covered it pretty well. Just one thing to add- remember that Wikipedia is a changing entity. It rarely stays the same for more than a few seconds. You can't expect your edits to stay forever. Also, remember that the consensus may be that the names of the founders are simply not notable enough to be put in the article. --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 18:07, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Fake Page
Hello, I put up a fake page for my brother, it's scheduled for deletion and ought to be deleted immediately. He was not amused and the page is not a real Wikipedia page. I edited it with this note on the page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregg_Rosenthal - thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennethrexroth (talk • contribs) 16:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If you put the text at the top, that will signal the page for speedy deletion at the author's request. Arakunem Talk  16:38, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, please don't create fake pages on Wikipedia- it just makes more work for people who have to go through and delete them. --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 17:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind of What Wikipedia is not this "Fake" article, which you have created will fall under that Policy. Dark Mage  18:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Using emails as references
I have sent away some emails to get facts on a subject that is not in books or online that I can find to date. I have emailed the provincial archives, the provincial government and the provincial library system - all of these should qualify as a reliable source just not a published source with a book ISBN number or a website URL. I want to also email the school system regarding another question. I want to use the answer on the wikipedia article for the facts I am inquiring about. There is no email citation on Citation templates or mention here Citing sources, but I have used email for class assignments, and received the template from the educators in the school system here, it is just that wikipedia editors wishing to double check would also have to email the same source I suppose to verify, and that would be bothersome to the source to keep getting the same email over and over. The sources I have emailed are the sources for the information. ie where do children in this community receive grade 10 - 12 education? - ask via email the elementary school which is online which goes to grade 9. I also need to verify -again via email- an inscription on a historical marker which is not in the majority of history books or in the majority of webpage sites per say. How do I satisfy my dilemna of getting facts, from the horse's mouth so to speak and be able to quote my reference and having the verifiability thingie looked after. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk  16:38, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Emails are generally not reliable sources, since most are never truly "published." That is to say, there is never a publicly available "official" copy that can be reproduced or reviewed by anyone who wishes. As such, it does not meet any standard for verifiability, since we have to go through a particular editor to do it (we could send our own request, but the respondant might not be the same person, or might not care anymore). The only exceptions to this are publicly viewable email forums, or emails to a librarian or archivist to request a copy or transcript of something that has been published but is very rare or otherwise hard to obtain (like an old book). Someguy1221 (talk) 16:46, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * SriMesh, the other problem you're going to run into is that sending email questions to people who would know, while they may be experts on the subject, also constitutes Original Research on your part, and so will likely get removed from articles that use this information. You would need to reference published third party sources as Someguy1221 said (for example, a magazine or newspaper article discussing these questions). Hope this helps! Arakunem Talk 16:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * There was once a citation template for unpublished emails but using it would violate Verifiability so it was deleted at Templates for deletion/Log/2007 April 19 - on my initiative by the way, and I enjoyed the last comment. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:15, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * One way to transform an unreliable source into a reliable source is to find some journalist who will write about it in a reputable publication. I've never actually tried to do that, so I don't know how it easy it would be. Probably it would depend on the subject, the sources you have, and what journalists you know. You may enjoy editing on Wikipedia more if you put the horse in front of the cart, so to speak, by reading articles in reliable sources such as the New York Times etc. and extracting tidbits from them to put into articles on Wikipedia. On Wikipedia, it's often easier to start with the reliable sources and find articles to put them in, than to start with the articles and try to find reliable sources for specific facts. --Teratornis (talk) 23:48, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Is it legal to cite someone's email as a reference? Wouldn't that be a violation of their privacy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.55.20.152 (talk) 16:07, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Editing Pictures
I have been asked by the subject of a specific entry to maintain that entry as events occur. I can handle the text easily enough but I cannof find any understandable explanation about how to remove pictures (of the subject) inserted against his/her wishes and how to replace them with a more appropriate picture. Such instructions that I have found use terms that I do not understand and appear to be incomplete. John C Kay (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I assume you are referring to the Roz Savage article. You should know that neither you nor the subject owns the article, and the image there is not subject to her approval. See Ownership of articles If you have another image of her which is subject to a free license, you can upload it at Upload and then negotiate with the other editors on the article talk page over what images the article should show. —teb728 t c 18:24, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If an image meets the requirements, Commons would be a better place to upload it. – ukexpat (talk) 18:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

The current pictures do not illustrate the subject in the context of her activity. I have a more appropriate one but am not at all clear how to replace the current ones. Even when the contributor haas removed the current pictures I do not know how to upload a replacement.

Part of the heading to the entry is factually incorrect: where it says "Rosalind (Roz) Savage is a British amateur rower and runner" it should say "Rosalind (Roz) Savage is a British eco-adventurer, writer and speaker, who uses her trans-oceanic rows to bring awareness to environmental issues." There seems no way to edit this part of the page. How is this done?

I realise that no-one "owns" any entry in Wikipedia and this has nothing to do with any neutral point of view. It has to do with accuracy of text and a picture appropriate to the subject.
 * Click on "Edit this page" at the top of the page, and you can edit it there...but I would suggest you refrain from editing the article if you have expressly been requested to do so by the article's subject - if nothing else, it constitutes a conflict of interest, which doesn't lend itself to an article which is written from a neutral point of view - the blue words in this sentence are links to policies on the relevant subjects. GbT/c 19:47, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * As for the image, you can pretty much forget about having Image:Roz Savage in Hawaii.jpg deleted from Wikipedia; it isn’t going to happen. But after you have uploaded your picture with a separate name, you may be able to persuade the other editors to let you replace it in the article. —teb728 t c 20:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Internet Explorer 6 SP2 Issues ~ Wiki Base Code Change?
I am one of those people that still much use IE6 SP2 at work for corporate reasons. I have noticed that both jumping to a link in Wikipedia from a Google search or directly in Wikipedia on many if not all pages Hange or freezes IE6 such that you either must kill IE as a process or wait for like 5-10 minutes until it loads the page.

I am pretty sure I noticed same at home on IE6 SP1 when testing without the corporate firewall. My guess is that some genious who programs Wiki's base connection or renderer decided that IE6 shouldn't be tested or supported on last update and thus we have the bug that we do.

This is stupid as a number of the Wiki pages are directly supported by corporate users, plus you cut us all out as users while at work. It isn't our idea or fault, but a very large number of corporations still use IE6 (typ. a custom build) for security and stability reasons within the company's applications.

This doesn't require anything more than validation and testing after likely confirmation from other users having issues with IE6 that only started within the last month or two. Prior to that I had no issues with Wiki on IE6 SP1/SP2 for the previous two years. Thanks!

--136.1.1.62 (talk) 17:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm also restricted to IE6 sp2 at work and have never encountered the issue you describe; so my first impulse is to believe it's either your system or specific to your employer's network or firewall. But, to help verify, do you have a link to a Google search example that has caused this issue?  If so, I could try the specific link you're trying. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 17:12, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Math/Practice Problems
I just want to know how to access the problems in the math categories such as the algebra and geometry sections.

stoneywhitaker1974--Stoneywhitaker1974 (talk) 17:57, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid you might be slightly confused- Wikipedia is an encyclopedia; our purpose is not to teach, but to inform. We do not have any practice problems. You can read the articles on algebra and geometry, but I doubt they will help you learn to do math. However, many good sites exist that would have such practice problems, and I suggest you try searching other sources for them. --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress ( extermination requests here ) 18:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You might find some math practice problems on Wikibooks or Wikiversity. Let us know if you need help searching those sites. I think searching those sites should be trivially simple - for anyone who is smart enough to work math problems. --Teratornis (talk) 23:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the math stuff does look easy to find: b:Wikibooks:Mathematics bookshelf. --Teratornis (talk) 23:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Question
"Articles about any organization, person, web site, or other entity should link to the official site, if any."

Eg.

How do I do that for a site other than IMDB?

EDIT: Actually, that's a horrible example. I want to link to this http://www.sensesofcinema.com/contents/directors/04/oshii.html and also want to link to the main site. What's the correct formatting for that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stepusual (talk • contribs) 18:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * There are a number of external link templates. Take a look at this category for links: Category:External link templates. If there is no relevant template, format it like this: Mamoru Oshii, article by Richard Suchenski at senseofcinema.com and it will display like this: Mamoru Oshii, article by  Richard Suchenski at senseofcinema.com. If you want to use the page as a citation, use the Web cite template. – ukexpat (talk) 18:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Many articles on organizations and the like have an infobox with the website. Example: IBM. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  18:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Harry Lumley
Dear Sirs I am a constant user of Wikipedia indeed it would be the rare day that I would not make reference to it whether for the page each day or as a matter of research. As a Canadian Citizen I have a deep and abising interest in Hockey and as such often secure knowledge related to events or players from Wikipedia. I have recently ascertained that there is a serious error related to one of the Members of the Hockey Hall of Fame which I believe should be corrected.It relates to an article about Harry Lumley and I will not bore you with the nature of the inaccuracy and error at this time.I am more concerned to find out the manner of correcting the error as I find the instruction on correcting inaccuracies difficult to understand and carry out.I am wondering if you would be so kind at to advise me the manner in which the inaccuracy might be corrected.I can be reached at the email address Thank-you for your kind attention and have a good day. Rod MacDougall —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.124.195.122 (talk) 18:39, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Please discuss this at Talk:Harry Lumley (ice hockey) and provide reliable sources. --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  18:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)


 * just in case it's not clear: to discuss your concerns at Talk:Harry Lumley (ice hockey), click on that link, then on the "new section" tab that you'll see at the top of that page. a "window" will open where you can state your specific concerns.  please sign your comments by typing four tildes (that's this mark: ~), then click "save page".  other editors interested in the article will reply and problems with the content can be smoothed out.
 * oh and please don't put your email address on wikipedia pages ... hope that helps. Sssoul (talk) 19:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Question
"This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. "

About how many citations are needed for the above message to disappear?

Also, can somebody check and see if I did all the citations/references/notes on Oshii's article correctly (formatting is correct, everything required is present, etc.): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oshii

Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stepusual (talk • contribs) 22:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That message doesn't disappear magically. If you feel the article is now sufficiently references, go ahead and remove it. It's generated by the code  at the top of the page. Algebraist 23:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)